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Marriages and Burials in Antwerp in the 1930s #france

Sherry Kisos <smwwk770@...>
 

Dear All,

I am interested in the names of Rabbis who may have
performed marriages during the 1930s in Antwerp,
Belgium. Also, I would like to know the names of any
religious organizations where records of religious
ceremonies may have taken place.

My grandmother's brother. Ovshia Gelfenstein, lived in
Antwerp until before he died in November, 1932. On all
oficial documentation he is listed as being single,
even though he did have a child and he, the mother of
the child, Razyla Sztark, and the child, Anna
Gefenstein, all lived together.

Osvhia died in Klemskerke, but there is no record of
him being buried in the area. Even more interesting is
the fact that Razyla's brothers are listed as the
witnesses to Ovshia's death, which leads me to believe
that the couple may have had some sort of religious
ceremony, but not a civil ceremony.

Does anyone have any suggestions where Ovshia might be
buried?

Sherry KISOS
Petach Tikvah, Israel
Researching:
WENGIERKA (Zaromb Koscielne, Bialystock);
SIWEK (Sniadowa); GELFENSTEIN or HELFENSTEIN and
BOORSTEIN (Stara Ushitza, Birceni, Antwerp); FREUD,
LANDMANN, UHRMACHER (unknown); MORRIS and BERNSTEIN
(New York City)


French SIG #France Marriages and Burials in Antwerp in the 1930s #france

Sherry Kisos <smwwk770@...>
 

Dear All,

I am interested in the names of Rabbis who may have
performed marriages during the 1930s in Antwerp,
Belgium. Also, I would like to know the names of any
religious organizations where records of religious
ceremonies may have taken place.

My grandmother's brother. Ovshia Gelfenstein, lived in
Antwerp until before he died in November, 1932. On all
oficial documentation he is listed as being single,
even though he did have a child and he, the mother of
the child, Razyla Sztark, and the child, Anna
Gefenstein, all lived together.

Osvhia died in Klemskerke, but there is no record of
him being buried in the area. Even more interesting is
the fact that Razyla's brothers are listed as the
witnesses to Ovshia's death, which leads me to believe
that the couple may have had some sort of religious
ceremony, but not a civil ceremony.

Does anyone have any suggestions where Ovshia might be
buried?

Sherry KISOS
Petach Tikvah, Israel
Researching:
WENGIERKA (Zaromb Koscielne, Bialystock);
SIWEK (Sniadowa); GELFENSTEIN or HELFENSTEIN and
BOORSTEIN (Stara Ushitza, Birceni, Antwerp); FREUD,
LANDMANN, UHRMACHER (unknown); MORRIS and BERNSTEIN
(New York City)


What's the next step. Working backwards from Boston to Bessarabia. #romania

Arnett <arnett1@...>
 

Hello All,
"Kisha Gibany" Moldavia is where I was always told my family was from. This
could have been either Gibany in Romania, Moldavia county using Kishinev as
the largest city. Kishinev Gubernya may have been what they were trying to
say. So I'm not sure where they are actually from.
The Naturalization papers say they immigrated on the SS Lake Erie from
Liverpool through Canada then train to Boston. One says they came
from Russia. The naturalization application says they came >from Kishin of
Russia.
1. Can anyone suggest what I should do next
2.Did everyone coming >from any port in Canada have to do the St. Albans
border crossing?
Thanking you all in advance

Lisa Arnett
KOP, PA
Researching Golden >from Romania Greenblatt and Goldman >from Shagorod,
Moldova and Romania.


Romania SIG #Romania What's the next step. Working backwards from Boston to Bessarabia. #romania

Arnett <arnett1@...>
 

Hello All,
"Kisha Gibany" Moldavia is where I was always told my family was from. This
could have been either Gibany in Romania, Moldavia county using Kishinev as
the largest city. Kishinev Gubernya may have been what they were trying to
say. So I'm not sure where they are actually from.
The Naturalization papers say they immigrated on the SS Lake Erie from
Liverpool through Canada then train to Boston. One says they came
from Russia. The naturalization application says they came >from Kishin of
Russia.
1. Can anyone suggest what I should do next
2.Did everyone coming >from any port in Canada have to do the St. Albans
border crossing?
Thanking you all in advance

Lisa Arnett
KOP, PA
Researching Golden >from Romania Greenblatt and Goldman >from Shagorod,
Moldova and Romania.


How to send messages from AOL #belarus

Paula Zieselman <pzieselman@...>
 

AOL 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0
If you are using AOL 6.0, 7.0 or 8.0, then you need to log on to AOL and select
either Netscape or Internet Explorer as your browser -- Do not use AOL's web
browser. Launch the browser, and type "www.aol.com" in the URL field (the white
strip at the top of the page).
Sign on with your ScreenName and Password. Click on "AOL Mail". You will then be
able to submit messages using AOL's "AOL Mail on the Web" service.

The website "Unofficial AOL Email FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)" at AOL suggests some
ways to use version 6.0 or 7.0 of AOL's software for sending plain text messages.

Paula Zieselman, NYC


Belarus SIG #Belarus How to send messages from AOL #belarus

Paula Zieselman <pzieselman@...>
 

AOL 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0
If you are using AOL 6.0, 7.0 or 8.0, then you need to log on to AOL and select
either Netscape or Internet Explorer as your browser -- Do not use AOL's web
browser. Launch the browser, and type "www.aol.com" in the URL field (the white
strip at the top of the page).
Sign on with your ScreenName and Password. Click on "AOL Mail". You will then be
able to submit messages using AOL's "AOL Mail on the Web" service.

The website "Unofficial AOL Email FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)" at AOL suggests some
ways to use version 6.0 or 7.0 of AOL's software for sending plain text messages.

Paula Zieselman, NYC


Re: Washington Post - Genealogy DNA Article #general

Jeffrey J. Barnett <JBarnett@...>
 

dardasht@barak-online.net writes:

Just read a Washington Post article >from 2002, still very interesting, about the
possibilities and complexities of DNA testing...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A21167-2002
Dec6&notFound=true >

Interesting article but has anyone done research into the DNA testing companies
that trace relationships through MALE not female (as was discussed in this
article). I am thinking of have several suspected 'relatives" tested to see if we
were related a few generations ago.

Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Jewishgenners interested in genealogy by genetics, can find out
more about this fascinating area of research. Go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Washington Post - Genealogy DNA Article #general

Jeffrey J. Barnett <JBarnett@...>
 

dardasht@barak-online.net writes:

Just read a Washington Post article >from 2002, still very interesting, about the
possibilities and complexities of DNA testing...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A21167-2002
Dec6&notFound=true >

Interesting article but has anyone done research into the DNA testing companies
that trace relationships through MALE not female (as was discussed in this
article). I am thinking of have several suspected 'relatives" tested to see if we
were related a few generations ago.

Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Jewishgenners interested in genealogy by genetics, can find out
more about this fascinating area of research. Go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/


Uzghorod cemetery list #ukraine

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Hi,
I am new to the Ukraine SIG and therefore do not know if this is already
well known or not, but, while at the CAHJP in Jerusalem, I came across a
hand written complete register of the Jewish cemetery of Uzghorod. Most of
it (about 200 hundred pages) is written in Yiddish. I took digital photos of
a few representative pages which I can post on the web for others to see.

Is this cemetery register already known and translated? If not, is there
interest in translating it into English?

The title of the register is
"AZ UNGVARI IZRAELITA TEMETON
NYUGVO HALLOTTAINAK
HEBER NYELVEN VEZETTET
KATASTERI KONYVE

LIST OF THOSE BURIED
IN THE JEWISH CEMETERY
OF UNGVAR (UZHOROD, SUBCARPATHIAN UKRAINE)"

and it was deposited by Reisman Emanuel

Jeff Malka


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Uzghorod cemetery list #ukraine

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Hi,
I am new to the Ukraine SIG and therefore do not know if this is already
well known or not, but, while at the CAHJP in Jerusalem, I came across a
hand written complete register of the Jewish cemetery of Uzghorod. Most of
it (about 200 hundred pages) is written in Yiddish. I took digital photos of
a few representative pages which I can post on the web for others to see.

Is this cemetery register already known and translated? If not, is there
interest in translating it into English?

The title of the register is
"AZ UNGVARI IZRAELITA TEMETON
NYUGVO HALLOTTAINAK
HEBER NYELVEN VEZETTET
KATASTERI KONYVE

LIST OF THOSE BURIED
IN THE JEWISH CEMETERY
OF UNGVAR (UZHOROD, SUBCARPATHIAN UKRAINE)"

and it was deposited by Reisman Emanuel

Jeff Malka


Petach Tikva Cemetery Database online #ukraine

Gilda & Bob Kurtzman <gildak@...>
 

During the past year JFRA Petach Tikvah had a project intiated by Gilda
Kurtzman with volunteers: - Micha Reisel - Abraham Kolet - Esther Snyder -
Ilona Lerman - Susan Edel - Sharon Lehrer - Avigdor & Laia ben Dov - Angie
Elfassi - Sherry Kisos

We took all 52000 names >from the Segulah Cemetery, going back to 1879 and
transliterating the Hebrew names and dates to English. The results are now
online as the largest cemetery in the JOWBR
(JewisGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry) project.

Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ and just search!

You can restrict the search to Israel, you can use the 'Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex' to find names which sound like the name you are looking for
(Gurvits = Horovitz = Hurwitz etc...) Or you can choose 'exact spelling',
which always is a gamble...

You can SEARCH IN HEBREW too! (not soundex though, only exact spelling) You
can search with parts of a word in Hebrew or in English if you use the "
Global text Search" choice, sometimes that gives better results!

Gilda also photographed many of the older tombstones, so some records have a
picture attached!

Remember that the chevra kadisha has made mistakes, the tombstone can have a
wrong date or wrong spelling, and the transliteration can be wrong! Hurwitz
or Horwitz is the same in Hebrew, Finegold or Feingold also German Weinberg
can be Dutch Wijnberg or Yiddish Vajnberg, etc.

We tried to be systematic but have surely made a lot of mistakes. We assumed
that most people with Yiddish sounding names came >from Eastern Europe to
Israel, not >from English-speaking countries where they might have anglicized
their names...so if you find your granduncle Joseph Finebloom >from the US
who is written up by us as Jozef Feinblum, just let me know and I will
update it.

The same goes for sephardic names. Many of the Abutbul families used the
(French) spelling Aboutboul for their surname. We tried to be logical by
checking Google and if 1970 Abutbuls came up as against 1020 Aboutbouls we
would choose the first one. :-) But you know your family best, so if you
want to correct a spelling let me know. We will correct those when we send
in the next update to Jewishgen in a few months.

Search and search again if you believe your family is buried in the Segulah
cemetery. If you can't seem to find someone who you know is there (because
you for example were at the funeral in 1963) then contact me at
micha@genealogy.org.il and I will try to help you.

Micha


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Petach Tikva Cemetery Database online #ukraine

Gilda & Bob Kurtzman <gildak@...>
 

During the past year JFRA Petach Tikvah had a project intiated by Gilda
Kurtzman with volunteers: - Micha Reisel - Abraham Kolet - Esther Snyder -
Ilona Lerman - Susan Edel - Sharon Lehrer - Avigdor & Laia ben Dov - Angie
Elfassi - Sherry Kisos

We took all 52000 names >from the Segulah Cemetery, going back to 1879 and
transliterating the Hebrew names and dates to English. The results are now
online as the largest cemetery in the JOWBR
(JewisGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry) project.

Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ and just search!

You can restrict the search to Israel, you can use the 'Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex' to find names which sound like the name you are looking for
(Gurvits = Horovitz = Hurwitz etc...) Or you can choose 'exact spelling',
which always is a gamble...

You can SEARCH IN HEBREW too! (not soundex though, only exact spelling) You
can search with parts of a word in Hebrew or in English if you use the "
Global text Search" choice, sometimes that gives better results!

Gilda also photographed many of the older tombstones, so some records have a
picture attached!

Remember that the chevra kadisha has made mistakes, the tombstone can have a
wrong date or wrong spelling, and the transliteration can be wrong! Hurwitz
or Horwitz is the same in Hebrew, Finegold or Feingold also German Weinberg
can be Dutch Wijnberg or Yiddish Vajnberg, etc.

We tried to be systematic but have surely made a lot of mistakes. We assumed
that most people with Yiddish sounding names came >from Eastern Europe to
Israel, not >from English-speaking countries where they might have anglicized
their names...so if you find your granduncle Joseph Finebloom >from the US
who is written up by us as Jozef Feinblum, just let me know and I will
update it.

The same goes for sephardic names. Many of the Abutbul families used the
(French) spelling Aboutboul for their surname. We tried to be logical by
checking Google and if 1970 Abutbuls came up as against 1020 Aboutbouls we
would choose the first one. :-) But you know your family best, so if you
want to correct a spelling let me know. We will correct those when we send
in the next update to Jewishgen in a few months.

Search and search again if you believe your family is buried in the Segulah
cemetery. If you can't seem to find someone who you know is there (because
you for example were at the funeral in 1963) then contact me at
micha@genealogy.org.il and I will try to help you.

Micha


1920 Census notation #general

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

On the 1920 Census, the 3 columns that list Mother Tongue, wherever it says
Hungarian, (on all the entries) it is crossed out and the initials LC are on the
right hand side in the same box. The entries that show Yiddish or german as the
mother tongue are not crossed out.

Since the enumerators name was Louise Hodgkin's, I don't think it was her.

I think that technically Hungarian was not a language (I think it was Magyar,
which means Hungarian) Does anyone have a clue to what this could mean?

Thanks
Henry Lifton, Boca Raton, FL

Searching for HAAS and WEISZ >from Hungary


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1920 Census notation #general

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

On the 1920 Census, the 3 columns that list Mother Tongue, wherever it says
Hungarian, (on all the entries) it is crossed out and the initials LC are on the
right hand side in the same box. The entries that show Yiddish or german as the
mother tongue are not crossed out.

Since the enumerators name was Louise Hodgkin's, I don't think it was her.

I think that technically Hungarian was not a language (I think it was Magyar,
which means Hungarian) Does anyone have a clue to what this could mean?

Thanks
Henry Lifton, Boca Raton, FL

Searching for HAAS and WEISZ >from Hungary


Visit to Czernowitz - DORF/KREMNITZ #romania

AJS1PRES@...
 

I am planning a trip to Chernivitsi in May. Where would I be able to find records
of birth, death and marriage for the late 19th, and early 20th century for
Czernowitz?
Thank you.

Bruce WExler
Jackson, NJ
AJS1PRES@AOL.com


Romania SIG #Romania Visit to Czernowitz - DORF/KREMNITZ #romania

AJS1PRES@...
 

I am planning a trip to Chernivitsi in May. Where would I be able to find records
of birth, death and marriage for the late 19th, and early 20th century for
Czernowitz?
Thank you.

Bruce WExler
Jackson, NJ
AJS1PRES@AOL.com


FURMAN in 1800s #belarus

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

I am interested in tracking the birthplace and forebears of Reuven
FURMAN and his wife Tsina (maiden name unknown)

It is believed that Reuven FURMAN was born between 1830 and 1840.

Five children are known:
Leah Raina (b. abt 1854) m. Rabbi Dovid RABINOVICH of Romanovo and
Mahilyov (Mohilev); they
subsequently emigrated to England where he became the Rov of
Sunderland.

Kopl (no further details known)

Esther Malka m. ? CZERTOK

Henya (no further details known)

[name of fifth child unknown]

The only firm place information is the location of Leah Raina (post
marriage) in Romanovo in 1874 (per Revision List)

I would appreciate any leads on this FURMAN family

Perets Mett

London


Belarus SIG #Belarus FURMAN in 1800s #belarus

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

I am interested in tracking the birthplace and forebears of Reuven
FURMAN and his wife Tsina (maiden name unknown)

It is believed that Reuven FURMAN was born between 1830 and 1840.

Five children are known:
Leah Raina (b. abt 1854) m. Rabbi Dovid RABINOVICH of Romanovo and
Mahilyov (Mohilev); they
subsequently emigrated to England where he became the Rov of
Sunderland.

Kopl (no further details known)

Esther Malka m. ? CZERTOK

Henya (no further details known)

[name of fifth child unknown]

The only firm place information is the location of Leah Raina (post
marriage) in Romanovo in 1874 (per Revision List)

I would appreciate any leads on this FURMAN family

Perets Mett

London


Petach Tikvah Israel cemetery online! #belarus

Micha Reisel
 

Dear list,

During the past year JFRA Petach Tikvah had a project
intiated by Gilda Kurtzmann with volunteers:
- Micha Reisel
- Abraham Kolet
- Esther Snyder
- Ilona Lerman
- Susan Edel
- Sharon Lehrer
- Avigdor & Laia ben Dov
- Angie Elfassi
- Sherry Kisos

We took all 52000 names >from the Segulah Cemetery, in Petach TIkvah,
going back to 1879 and transliterating the Hebrew names and dates to
English.
The results are now online as the largest cemetery in the JOWBR
(JewisGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry) project.

Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/
and just search!

You can restrict the search to Israel, you can use the 'Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex' to find names which sound like the name you are looking for
(Gurvits = Horovitz = Hurwitz etc...)
Or you can choose 'exact spelling', which always is a gamble...

You can SEARCH IN HEBREW too! (not soundex though, only exact spelling)
You can search with parts of a word in Hebrew or in English if you use the
" Global text Search" choice, sometimes that gives better results!

Gilda also photographed many of the older tombstones, so some records have
a picture attached!

Remember that the chevra kadisha has made mistakes, the tombstone can have
a wrong date or wrong spelling, and the transliteration can be wrong!
Hurwitz or Horwitz is the same in Hebrew, Finegold or Feingold also
German Weinberg can be Dutch Wijnberg or Yiddish Vajnberg, etc.

We tried to be systematic but have surely made a lot of mistakes.
We assumed that most people with Yiddish sounding names came from
Eastern Europe to Israel, not >from English-speaking countries where they
might have anglicized their names...so if you find your granduncle Joseph
Finebloom >from the US who is written up by us as Jozef Feinblum, just let
me know and I will update it.

The same goes for sephardic names. Many of the Abutbul families used the
(French) spelling Aboutboul for their surname. We tried to be logical by
checking Google and if 1970 Abutbuls came up as against 1020 Aboutbouls we
would choose the first one.
:-)
But you know your family best, so if you want to correct a spelling let me
know. We will correct those when we send in the next update to Jewishgen in
a few months.

Search and search again if you believe your family is buried in the Segulah
cemetery.
If you can't seem to find someone who you know is there (because you for
example were at the funeral in 1963) then contact me at
micha@genealogy.org.il and I will try to help you.

take care
Micha Reisel
Vice President of JFRA,
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel
micha@genealogy.org.il


Belarus SIG #Belarus Petach Tikvah Israel cemetery online! #belarus

Micha Reisel
 

Dear list,

During the past year JFRA Petach Tikvah had a project
intiated by Gilda Kurtzmann with volunteers:
- Micha Reisel
- Abraham Kolet
- Esther Snyder
- Ilona Lerman
- Susan Edel
- Sharon Lehrer
- Avigdor & Laia ben Dov
- Angie Elfassi
- Sherry Kisos

We took all 52000 names >from the Segulah Cemetery, in Petach TIkvah,
going back to 1879 and transliterating the Hebrew names and dates to
English.
The results are now online as the largest cemetery in the JOWBR
(JewisGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry) project.

Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/
and just search!

You can restrict the search to Israel, you can use the 'Daitch-Mokotoff
soundex' to find names which sound like the name you are looking for
(Gurvits = Horovitz = Hurwitz etc...)
Or you can choose 'exact spelling', which always is a gamble...

You can SEARCH IN HEBREW too! (not soundex though, only exact spelling)
You can search with parts of a word in Hebrew or in English if you use the
" Global text Search" choice, sometimes that gives better results!

Gilda also photographed many of the older tombstones, so some records have
a picture attached!

Remember that the chevra kadisha has made mistakes, the tombstone can have
a wrong date or wrong spelling, and the transliteration can be wrong!
Hurwitz or Horwitz is the same in Hebrew, Finegold or Feingold also
German Weinberg can be Dutch Wijnberg or Yiddish Vajnberg, etc.

We tried to be systematic but have surely made a lot of mistakes.
We assumed that most people with Yiddish sounding names came from
Eastern Europe to Israel, not >from English-speaking countries where they
might have anglicized their names...so if you find your granduncle Joseph
Finebloom >from the US who is written up by us as Jozef Feinblum, just let
me know and I will update it.

The same goes for sephardic names. Many of the Abutbul families used the
(French) spelling Aboutboul for their surname. We tried to be logical by
checking Google and if 1970 Abutbuls came up as against 1020 Aboutbouls we
would choose the first one.
:-)
But you know your family best, so if you want to correct a spelling let me
know. We will correct those when we send in the next update to Jewishgen in
a few months.

Search and search again if you believe your family is buried in the Segulah
cemetery.
If you can't seem to find someone who you know is there (because you for
example were at the funeral in 1963) then contact me at
micha@genealogy.org.il and I will try to help you.

take care
Micha Reisel
Vice President of JFRA,
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel
micha@genealogy.org.il