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Re: ROM-SIG meeting notes from Jerusalem Conference #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Many thanks to Alvin for taking the mintues, and putting this on the
List to all of us. Paula and I were most sorry we could not be with you
this year.

In regard to some of the comments and suggestions, I have passed both
Gayle's, regarding the files at the CAHJP, as well as the one about
listing the funds and projects of ROM-SIG, on to Joyce Field, the VP of
JewishGen for Research, for her comments. Unfortunately, the
Coordinators of ROM-SIG, as with all of the other SIGs, only receive
financial reports on a periodic basis, and do not have the kind of
breakdown requested available to us to share. We receive mainly lists
funds/donations received and expenditures. So Joyce will have to answer
to that question.

As to contacting Elie Wiesel, you may have noted that we are already
in contact with some of the members of the Wiesel Commission, as well
as the EU, Council of Europe Human Rights Commission, US Ambassador,
Israeli Ambassador, the Romanian affiliate of the ADL, USHMM, etc.
etc. So far, nothing seems to be moving the Head of the Archives. He
does not seem to be moved by Elie Wiesel, or any of the others! There
are other plans in the works however, which I am not at liberty to
reveal, but we will not give up, and will continue to apply pressure
whenever, and wherever we can!

Meanwhile, we are seeking data >from all other possible sources, and
hope that many of you will heed Bob's call for volunteers to help with
data entrry, and funding to acquire these data!

Hope to see many of you in 2005 in Las Vegas!
Rosanne



Alvin Holtzman wrote:

Here are notes >from the Rom-Sig meeting held on July 8, 2004 at the
Jerusalem Conference:

Bob Wascou conducted the meeting and began with a review of various
projects--

IN THE WORKS: (PLEASE-----WE NEED YOUR HELP----VOLUNTEER)

The second and third Tabele Barbatilor - >from the 1942 Antonescu
Census ; T2 - Males born between 1892-1921 ; T3 - Males born between
1926-28.

Botosani Cemetary Register 1905 to date.

Iasi Holocaust era lists

Translation of Pinkas Romania Vol. 1 and 2


COMPLETED:

Several Holocaust lists that include the Tirgu Mures ghetto, Dorohoi
and Des. We are hoping to obtain more Holocaust era lists >from the the
USHMM, as well as cemetery lists that we are aware of >from the
existing Jewish communities.

RESEARCHER ACCESS TO THE ROMANIAN ARCHIVES. As you may know, access
to Romanian archives has been reduced significantly or cut off
altogether. We are in correspondence with the US Embassy in
Bucuresti, the Wiesel Commission and the USHMM. All are looking into
the problem. They are being assisted by the Romanian affiliate of the
ADL. Any changes to the current policy will be posted here immediately.

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED...especially Romanian script readers and
translators. Nothing will get done without your help. Another way to
help is to DONATE FUNDS to help purchase available documents. Those of
you who have had success using these translated documents know how
valuable the information can be. PLEASE DONATE WHAT YOU CAN. You can
do this by going through the ROM-SIG site at www.jewishgen.org and
click on jewishgen-erocity at the left side of the screen.

THE ROMANIAN JEWISH COMMUNITY WEB SITE. www.romanianjewish.org.
Click on "Search in this site", and you will then have 3 choices.
Iancu Braunstein is the editor of these books and he has 2 sets, one
for business related matters in the archives ("Intreprinzatori Everi
in Moldova") and one for the Jewish archives of the Iasi University
("Evreii din prima universitate din Romania"). One can't search both
databases at the same time, and after you put in your search term,
it's only clear what you get if you have actually seen the books and
how they are organized.


SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS >from THE ATTENDEES:

Gayle Riley announced that the Central Historical Archives for the
Jewish People in Jerusalem has about one hundred card index files for
Romanian documents/books in its possession. The index cards are in
various languages (Hebrew, Romanian, English and French). The idea
was to ask a volunteer to go the archives and translate all cards to
English and transfer the information onto an excel spreadsheet so that
the entire ROM-SIG could be aware of the archival holdings. David
Gureller indicated that he would attempt to do this.

Another attendee asked the ROM-SIG to please post the status of
projects in terms of funds given and funds needed to complete each
project.

Suggestion: Solicit Eli Weisel's help to break through the current
archive barrier.

Kishinev information is available through the Mormon Family Library
and through Kishinev archives; or you can go through Miriam Weiner.

Patricia Wilson will meet with the chief Rabbi of Galati's son in
Israel and get as much information as possible.

It was asked--where are the archives for Transylvania?

If any one has anything to add or correct to these notes, please come
forward.

Volunteer note-taker,
Alvin Holtzman
Wilmette, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you, Alvin, for a job well done!!





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Romania SIG #Romania Re: ROM-SIG meeting notes from Jerusalem Conference #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Many thanks to Alvin for taking the mintues, and putting this on the
List to all of us. Paula and I were most sorry we could not be with you
this year.

In regard to some of the comments and suggestions, I have passed both
Gayle's, regarding the files at the CAHJP, as well as the one about
listing the funds and projects of ROM-SIG, on to Joyce Field, the VP of
JewishGen for Research, for her comments. Unfortunately, the
Coordinators of ROM-SIG, as with all of the other SIGs, only receive
financial reports on a periodic basis, and do not have the kind of
breakdown requested available to us to share. We receive mainly lists
funds/donations received and expenditures. So Joyce will have to answer
to that question.

As to contacting Elie Wiesel, you may have noted that we are already
in contact with some of the members of the Wiesel Commission, as well
as the EU, Council of Europe Human Rights Commission, US Ambassador,
Israeli Ambassador, the Romanian affiliate of the ADL, USHMM, etc.
etc. So far, nothing seems to be moving the Head of the Archives. He
does not seem to be moved by Elie Wiesel, or any of the others! There
are other plans in the works however, which I am not at liberty to
reveal, but we will not give up, and will continue to apply pressure
whenever, and wherever we can!

Meanwhile, we are seeking data >from all other possible sources, and
hope that many of you will heed Bob's call for volunteers to help with
data entrry, and funding to acquire these data!

Hope to see many of you in 2005 in Las Vegas!
Rosanne



Alvin Holtzman wrote:

Here are notes >from the Rom-Sig meeting held on July 8, 2004 at the
Jerusalem Conference:

Bob Wascou conducted the meeting and began with a review of various
projects--

IN THE WORKS: (PLEASE-----WE NEED YOUR HELP----VOLUNTEER)

The second and third Tabele Barbatilor - >from the 1942 Antonescu
Census ; T2 - Males born between 1892-1921 ; T3 - Males born between
1926-28.

Botosani Cemetary Register 1905 to date.

Iasi Holocaust era lists

Translation of Pinkas Romania Vol. 1 and 2


COMPLETED:

Several Holocaust lists that include the Tirgu Mures ghetto, Dorohoi
and Des. We are hoping to obtain more Holocaust era lists >from the the
USHMM, as well as cemetery lists that we are aware of >from the
existing Jewish communities.

RESEARCHER ACCESS TO THE ROMANIAN ARCHIVES. As you may know, access
to Romanian archives has been reduced significantly or cut off
altogether. We are in correspondence with the US Embassy in
Bucuresti, the Wiesel Commission and the USHMM. All are looking into
the problem. They are being assisted by the Romanian affiliate of the
ADL. Any changes to the current policy will be posted here immediately.

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED...especially Romanian script readers and
translators. Nothing will get done without your help. Another way to
help is to DONATE FUNDS to help purchase available documents. Those of
you who have had success using these translated documents know how
valuable the information can be. PLEASE DONATE WHAT YOU CAN. You can
do this by going through the ROM-SIG site at www.jewishgen.org and
click on jewishgen-erocity at the left side of the screen.

THE ROMANIAN JEWISH COMMUNITY WEB SITE. www.romanianjewish.org.
Click on "Search in this site", and you will then have 3 choices.
Iancu Braunstein is the editor of these books and he has 2 sets, one
for business related matters in the archives ("Intreprinzatori Everi
in Moldova") and one for the Jewish archives of the Iasi University
("Evreii din prima universitate din Romania"). One can't search both
databases at the same time, and after you put in your search term,
it's only clear what you get if you have actually seen the books and
how they are organized.


SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS >from THE ATTENDEES:

Gayle Riley announced that the Central Historical Archives for the
Jewish People in Jerusalem has about one hundred card index files for
Romanian documents/books in its possession. The index cards are in
various languages (Hebrew, Romanian, English and French). The idea
was to ask a volunteer to go the archives and translate all cards to
English and transfer the information onto an excel spreadsheet so that
the entire ROM-SIG could be aware of the archival holdings. David
Gureller indicated that he would attempt to do this.

Another attendee asked the ROM-SIG to please post the status of
projects in terms of funds given and funds needed to complete each
project.

Suggestion: Solicit Eli Weisel's help to break through the current
archive barrier.

Kishinev information is available through the Mormon Family Library
and through Kishinev archives; or you can go through Miriam Weiner.

Patricia Wilson will meet with the chief Rabbi of Galati's son in
Israel and get as much information as possible.

It was asked--where are the archives for Transylvania?

If any one has anything to add or correct to these notes, please come
forward.

Volunteer note-taker,
Alvin Holtzman
Wilmette, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you, Alvin, for a job well done!!





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US Army Records #belarus

judy davis <judy1213@...>
 

I know that my father, Irving Lieberman, served in the
US Army in WWII, in Europe. I recently learned that
there are regemental historians that keep track of who
was in what battle and where, etc. Are there listings
by soldier to show what unit they were in? Other
relevant details? Any help in this matter would be
appreciated.
Judy Davis
Kalamazoo, MI
Researching: Lieberman (New York, NY; LA, California;Medzhibozh, Ukraine, )
Newman (New York, NY, Medzhibozh, Ukraine)
Epstein (New York, NY; Mt. Vernon, NY; Volkovysk,
Belarus; Moises Ville, Argentina; Suchowolia, Poland;
Israel)
Rabinowitz (Suchowolia, Poland, Grodno Area)
Mednick (New York, NY) a/k/a Abromowitz (New York, NY;
Brooklyn, NY;Vilnius Lithuania)
MODERATOR NOTE: Please capitalize all surnames and limit your "Researching"
to 6 lines.


Belarus SIG #Belarus US Army Records #belarus

judy davis <judy1213@...>
 

I know that my father, Irving Lieberman, served in the
US Army in WWII, in Europe. I recently learned that
there are regemental historians that keep track of who
was in what battle and where, etc. Are there listings
by soldier to show what unit they were in? Other
relevant details? Any help in this matter would be
appreciated.
Judy Davis
Kalamazoo, MI
Researching: Lieberman (New York, NY; LA, California;Medzhibozh, Ukraine, )
Newman (New York, NY, Medzhibozh, Ukraine)
Epstein (New York, NY; Mt. Vernon, NY; Volkovysk,
Belarus; Moises Ville, Argentina; Suchowolia, Poland;
Israel)
Rabinowitz (Suchowolia, Poland, Grodno Area)
Mednick (New York, NY) a/k/a Abromowitz (New York, NY;
Brooklyn, NY;Vilnius Lithuania)
MODERATOR NOTE: Please capitalize all surnames and limit your "Researching"
to 6 lines.


Ghetto Database-BAUMGARTEN #lodz #poland

Edna Hoover
 

I've just finished the tedious and emotionally draining work of
reorganizing my Lodz Ghetto Database search for the BAUMGARTEN
family according to their various residences. I hope to do the same
for the FRANKENTAL, HAMBURGER, & KOENIG families who were all related
by marriage. I would be happy to send this Excel file to anyone who
needs it, although I'm sure there's a better way to do this using
the original program. At any rate, it does seem that these residences
do reflect decimated family groups with one or two female elders. I was also
surprised to see that there were babies born between 1941 and 1944.

Edna Hoover
B'klyn NY
JGFF Researcher # 66736 For:
BAUMGARTEN, FRANKENTAL, HAMBURGER, IZBUTSKY & KOENIG Leczyca, Lodz,
Poland
ednahoover@hotmail.com


LEVER #southafrica

Clare Lee <clare@...>
 

I am trying to find the family of Eric LEVER (artist). I believe he lived
most of his life in the Cape??


Thank you,

Clare Lee
U.S.A.


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Ghetto Database-BAUMGARTEN #lodz #poland

Edna Hoover
 

I've just finished the tedious and emotionally draining work of
reorganizing my Lodz Ghetto Database search for the BAUMGARTEN
family according to their various residences. I hope to do the same
for the FRANKENTAL, HAMBURGER, & KOENIG families who were all related
by marriage. I would be happy to send this Excel file to anyone who
needs it, although I'm sure there's a better way to do this using
the original program. At any rate, it does seem that these residences
do reflect decimated family groups with one or two female elders. I was also
surprised to see that there were babies born between 1941 and 1944.

Edna Hoover
B'klyn NY
JGFF Researcher # 66736 For:
BAUMGARTEN, FRANKENTAL, HAMBURGER, IZBUTSKY & KOENIG Leczyca, Lodz,
Poland
ednahoover@hotmail.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica LEVER #southafrica

Clare Lee <clare@...>
 

I am trying to find the family of Eric LEVER (artist). I believe he lived
most of his life in the Cape??


Thank you,

Clare Lee
U.S.A.


Anyone know of GINIGER in Romania? #romania

berger3 <berger3@...>
 

My grandfather, who lived near the Romanian border, took his mother's maiden
name of GINIGER when he immigrated to America. It appears to be an unusual
name, but I have found some reference to Ginigers in Bucharest and
elsewhere. Anyone know of such a name or have any ties to any families with
this name in Romania?

Thanks,


Rebekah Berger
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location.


Romania SIG #Romania Anyone know of GINIGER in Romania? #romania

berger3 <berger3@...>
 

My grandfather, who lived near the Romanian border, took his mother's maiden
name of GINIGER when he immigrated to America. It appears to be an unusual
name, but I have found some reference to Ginigers in Bucharest and
elsewhere. Anyone know of such a name or have any ties to any families with
this name in Romania?

Thanks,


Rebekah Berger
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location.


Look at Marriage License Applications not Marriage Licenses #belarus

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

Marriage License Information

I saw the info that marriage licenses >from Washington DC had no genealogical
info. In most cities that information was actually on the application for
the marriage license. In Philadelphia, the actual license is just as the
person said for DC devoid of useful content other than date, parties, and
officiant. But after 1906 or 1907 in Philadelphia, the application contained
the parents names for both parties and the father's occupations as well as
the occupations of the bride and groom and their respective residences. I
think you need to be looking at that document.
Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Look at Marriage License Applications not Marriage Licenses #belarus

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

Marriage License Information

I saw the info that marriage licenses >from Washington DC had no genealogical
info. In most cities that information was actually on the application for
the marriage license. In Philadelphia, the actual license is just as the
person said for DC devoid of useful content other than date, parties, and
officiant. But after 1906 or 1907 in Philadelphia, the application contained
the parents names for both parties and the father's occupations as well as
the occupations of the bride and groom and their respective residences. I
think you need to be looking at that document.
Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA


Obtaining records from Belarus #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

At the Belarus meeting in Jerusalem, several members voiced their desire to
obtain records through private research. Private research done by a
qualified researcher, is great, but is by definition limitted to a certain
individual or family in a certain place, at a certain time. It is important
for everyone to know that a globaly benificial method of doing research is
already underway. Through the Belarus SIG efforts and uyezd regional groups,
records are being gathered and indexed and searches made available through
the All Belarus Database. We will greatly enhance our chances of finding
records and tracking our families to nearby shtetlach to where they may have
migrated by supporting and contributing to this joint effort approach.
Obscure records will be exposed and only be reviewing complete lists will
they come to light. By working together, we will expand our trees and be
able to access otherwise untapped resources.
Please check out our website, contact coordinators, volunteer or create your
own project and designate your research dollars for Belarus records. Your
dollars will go a long way.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Obtaining records from Belarus #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

At the Belarus meeting in Jerusalem, several members voiced their desire to
obtain records through private research. Private research done by a
qualified researcher, is great, but is by definition limitted to a certain
individual or family in a certain place, at a certain time. It is important
for everyone to know that a globaly benificial method of doing research is
already underway. Through the Belarus SIG efforts and uyezd regional groups,
records are being gathered and indexed and searches made available through
the All Belarus Database. We will greatly enhance our chances of finding
records and tracking our families to nearby shtetlach to where they may have
migrated by supporting and contributing to this joint effort approach.
Obscure records will be exposed and only be reviewing complete lists will
they come to light. By working together, we will expand our trees and be
able to access otherwise untapped resources.
Please check out our website, contact coordinators, volunteer or create your
own project and designate your research dollars for Belarus records. Your
dollars will go a long way.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


last name tur: ibiza/poland #general

joan tur <sepharad@...>
 

I am looking for the possible relations between the last name Tur, which in
Spain is believed as native >from the island of Ibiza*, with the same last
name Tur which I have found in the database of countries like Poland,
Bielorrusia. Thank you very much.
*sixty per cent of the native population have this last name in Ibiza Island

Joan Tur Guasch
Ibiza Island (Spain)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen last name tur: ibiza/poland #general

joan tur <sepharad@...>
 

I am looking for the possible relations between the last name Tur, which in
Spain is believed as native >from the island of Ibiza*, with the same last
name Tur which I have found in the database of countries like Poland,
Bielorrusia. Thank you very much.
*sixty per cent of the native population have this last name in Ibiza Island

Joan Tur Guasch
Ibiza Island (Spain)


Re: Mount Zion cemetary in Queens NY #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

The latest issue of http://www.forgotten-ny.com has a spread on
the Mount Zion cemetary in Queens with photos of gravestones.

Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL of the Mount Zion page is
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/CEMETERIES/mtzion/mtzion.html

Thanks for that link: both sets of my great grandparents are at Mt.
Zion, plus a few other relatives, so it struck a chord.

Regarding this notation >from the article:
"It is the Aaronic blessing, given by the rabbi at services and is done
with both hands, thumb to thumb and represents the Hebrew letter shin.
Nimoy photo >from startrek.com.
I've often tried to make my fingers do this, but have always been
unsuccessful. I'm told it's hereditary: like touching your nose with
your tongue or wiggling your ears, either you can do it or you can't."

My mother was told a legend about this sign: according to what she was
told, if you can make this sign, "means that you're a cohen". This
sounds like another way of saying the ability is hereditary. Is anyone
else acquainted with this theory/legend?

(Everyone in our immediate family can do it, with both hands, including
my father, who is not Jewish).

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Lithuania, NY)
MOSTOW (Belarus and Latvia, NY)
SABLODOWSKY/SABLE (Poland, PA)
PRZDECZI, DANIELSKI, RIBINSKI (Poland, UK, NY)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Mount Zion cemetary in Queens NY #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

The latest issue of http://www.forgotten-ny.com has a spread on
the Mount Zion cemetary in Queens with photos of gravestones.

Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL of the Mount Zion page is
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/CEMETERIES/mtzion/mtzion.html

Thanks for that link: both sets of my great grandparents are at Mt.
Zion, plus a few other relatives, so it struck a chord.

Regarding this notation >from the article:
"It is the Aaronic blessing, given by the rabbi at services and is done
with both hands, thumb to thumb and represents the Hebrew letter shin.
Nimoy photo >from startrek.com.
I've often tried to make my fingers do this, but have always been
unsuccessful. I'm told it's hereditary: like touching your nose with
your tongue or wiggling your ears, either you can do it or you can't."

My mother was told a legend about this sign: according to what she was
told, if you can make this sign, "means that you're a cohen". This
sounds like another way of saying the ability is hereditary. Is anyone
else acquainted with this theory/legend?

(Everyone in our immediate family can do it, with both hands, including
my father, who is not Jewish).

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Lithuania, NY)
MOSTOW (Belarus and Latvia, NY)
SABLODOWSKY/SABLE (Poland, PA)
PRZDECZI, DANIELSKI, RIBINSKI (Poland, UK, NY)


Cecelia as a "Jewish" name? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/18/2004 7:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MBernet@aol.com writes:
7. Beider does not mention Cecilia as a "Jewish" first name. My on-board
Random House dictionary tells me that the saint was martyred in 230 C.E. The
original Latin means "blind."

==We had a child naming in our synagogue yesterday. Cecilia, with a Hebrew
name Tsilyah (shadow of God). The little girl's grandmother recently became
blind. Coincidence?

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cecelia as a "Jewish" name? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/18/2004 7:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MBernet@aol.com writes:
7. Beider does not mention Cecilia as a "Jewish" first name. My on-board
Random House dictionary tells me that the saint was martyred in 230 C.E. The
original Latin means "blind."

==We had a child naming in our synagogue yesterday. Cecilia, with a Hebrew
name Tsilyah (shadow of God). The little girl's grandmother recently became
blind. Coincidence?

Michael Bernet, New York