German labor camps/detention centers in 1933-34 #germany #holocaust

Melissa Kahn

Thanks to the recent guidance of Jewish Gen members, I was able to get a copy of my grandfather's restitution (reparations) file from Germany.  In it, he states that he was held in the Neustadt Weinstrasse labor camp in 1933 and in Obermoschel Palatinate prison in 1934.  I wonder how I can locate documents from these locations that would give information about his detention.  In addition, I wonder if there are diaries or narratives about the experiences of prisoners in these places or similar labor camps/detention centers.  Thank you, Melissa Kahn

Seeking Help with translation/deciphering #general #unitedkingdom #usa #translation

Fishbein Associates, Inc.

I am seeking help with deciphering a short-hand script in a document produced in London in the mid-19th Century.   It appears to be a style akin to Gregg short-hand.  The document deals with a legal matter.  I would be most grateful for any assistance in translating/deciphering this text.  You may respond privately to: fishnet@....

With much appreciation,
Rand H. Fishbein, Ph.D.

Re: Finding info on great grandparents Bayarsky in Belarus (Grodno? Minsk?) #belarus

Carl Kaplan

I also had good luck with the Together Plan.
Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania

Re: Looking for a town in Belarus #belarus

Hilary Henkin

My initial response was that the place you're looking for is the city which was known as Ekaterinoslav.  Like Mogilev, it's on the Dnieper River, but south of Mogilev, in Ukraine.  The name of the city as our ancestors knew it is commonly mangled in any of dozens of different ways.

It was named for Catherine, the tzar (katerina = Catherine).  In 1926 (after the Russian Revolution), it was renamed to Dnepropetrovsk, to mark its location on the Dnieper river, and a communist leader Grigory Petrovsky.  In 2016, it was renamed as Dnipro, as part of a 2016 Ukraine decommunization law.

Records from Dnipro are not currently easily accessible, if at all.

Hilary Henkin

Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ

On 1/15/2021 11:11 AM, June Genis wrote:
According to the 1920 census the person I am looking for, Rose
Margolis Hollander, appears to have been born in a place called
"Katrineslav" which is the Mogilev gubernia. I say "appears" because
the handwriting is very hard to read. Another tree has her born in
"Katrenaler, Russia". Neither Google or Jewishgen can find either of
those places. Does anyone know another name for either of them?

June Genis
Hemet CA
June Genis, 650--851-5224
Hemet, CA
Researching: GENIS, OKUN, SUSMAN, ETTINGER, KESSLER/CHESLER (Russian/Polish Empires)


Re: Translation of Gravestone written in Hebrew #translation


Hi Richard, 

Let's start with the right-hand side grave:

                                  Here is buried 
"Many women have done valiantly but you have excelled them all" 
"She opened her mouth with wiswisdom and the teaching of loving - kindness was upon her tongue"
(Those two verses are from the Book of Proverbs  chapter 31, known as "the valiant wife") 
This is causing the soul to mourn, a bitter eulogy and weeping, the passing of my tender wife and our loved and generous mother, the crown of our head:
Mrs.Gittel (Tekla) Wirtheim, Peace on her, daughter of the late Meir.
Her soul departed on the 5th of kislev 5706 (November 10 th 1945) 
May her soul be linked to bundle of life

Now the left-hand side

Stone to deplore the dear, modest and kind (woman ? not sure if there is a misspelling  ) 

Gittel daughter of the head of the Jewish community of Fulda, Simon Weilburg of blessed and holy memory  , wife of the noble among the nobles Menachem Arieh Stern of blessed and holy memory. 
She raised her sons and daughters in the spirit of the Torah  
Fear (of God) and humility were among her best traits. 
Her house was always widely open to the poor and miserable. She opened her palm and her  heart. 

Her holy soul came back to its Creator on the 4th of 'heshvan 5705 (October 21st 1944) and was buried on the 5th of the month .
May soûl be linked to the bundle of life 

Best regards  , 

Laurent Kassel 
Moreshet , Israel 

Re: importing/transferring/sharing historical records between services? #general

Judith Singer

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 04:18 AM, Lee Jaffe wrote:
I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to upload historical records found in one source into another? 

Dear Lee - I use for my on-line tree so I don't know what can be done with a tree. On Ancestry, however, you can (1) take a screen shot of the historical record from another source and include it in the gallery (though to avoid breaking copyright laws, that should probably be done only if the tree is private, not open to the general public) or (2) add a link to the historical document in the space provided for links in the Ancestry profiles. 

The inconsistencies are beyond our power to remedy, I fear.

Good luck - Judith Singer
CHARNEY - Lithuania

Re: Would a later born child have the same name as an earlier deceased child? #names


The standard Litvak custom (minhag) was, if one wanted to carry on with the same name, to call the subsequent child the same name as the first child, but as a second  name, or second name in a hyphenated name. So, in my family's case, the grandfather Gdalya died in 1893. The next male offspring to be born was in 1896 and was called Gdalya, in memory of his father's now deceased father. Sadly, the child passed away withing a few months. My grandfather was born next, in 1897, and was called Elyahu Gdalya, remembering both his grandfather and deceased brother, but not in his case as a first name. The custom seems to have arisen out of a more general belief that naming children after relatives who died young invited the same fate.

Anthony Rabin
London, UK

Re: Need Translation of Inscription in Prayerbook #translation #yiddish


Hi Deborah, 

This inscription is actually in Hebrew. This is the translation :

This pentateuch book belongs to the lad Leib son of Isaac Jacob Zasler Jerusalem  may it be built and established soon in our days amen. 
Jerusalem amen

Best regards  
Laurent Kassel 
Moreshet, Israel 

Re: Newbie Question #sephardic #dna

Kevin Brook


In a sentence in my last message (#654734) -- "My take on the DNA segments I found shared by Sicilian Catholics and Ashkenazic Jews, which are not common, is that one of the Sicilian Converso men escaped to the east then he or a child went northeast." -- I meant to write "north" instead of "northeast".

And I should clarify that the above is an explanation for their *non-Sephardic* DNA segments that are shared between Ashkenazim and Sicilians but not with Hispanics nor with Sephardim, to distinguish from the Sephardic DNA segments that Sicilians can also share with us. A Sephardic Jewish segment originated in Iberia, not Sicily, but can still be shared with Sicilians. A Sicilian Jewish segment originated in Sicily.

As far as the verification processes I alluded to, they are called triangulation and phasing.

Kevin Brook

Re: Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 #records


Google automatically translated for me.  Google Chrome has a "translate" button that allows you to choose automatic translation of a web page.  The URL proved enormously useful.  I found my great-uncle's birth entry.  He was deported to Auschwitz but, as a doctor, was eventually sent to Dachau where the records show his birth date as exactly two years less than that shown in the birth registry. Sadly, he died in March 1945. 

Thank you Eli.

Tom Beer. Melbourne, Australia

Help with GGfathers name missing on Gfathers Birth certificate #general

rodolfo miller

Hello Group,
Would appreciate help:
Grandfather Leopold Mandl, born Vienna, 14.05.1873; Mother Theresia Mandl; Father´s name - blank.
Where do I go next?
Thank you

Need Translation of Inscription in Prayerbook #translation #yiddish

Deborah Friedman

I would like a translation of the attached inscription in a prayerbook inherited from my father's family. I think it is Yiddish but it may be Hebrew.


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Re: Finding family PERLMAN/HIMMELSTEIN #israel #canada #belarus


Dear Moe Dinkel,
                 Look on the internet for my book, The Himmelstein Familiy, for help.
Leopold Hoenig

Re: Congregation Anshe Motele, Chicago #belarus #rabbinic #usa

Martin Fischer

Adam Turner wrote:
"Does anyone know anything about the people involved in the early history of Anshe Motele in Chicago? I am researching a KAPLAN family with at least two sons who were connected to this shul."
Adam, if you have not done so, be sure to search the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois' JGSI Jewish Chicago Database (JJCD) at:
Search The JGSI Jewish Chicago Database (JJCD) Last Updated December 3, 2019. Records in the database: 99,000 NOTE: This database is a large file (approximately 17 MB)

Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois

JGSI website:

Re: Newbie Question #sephardic #dna

Kevin Brook

Josh, your DNA testing company won't be able to determine that accurately since they have been known for false positives as well as false negatives when it come to companies predicting Sephardic Jewish ancestry.

As I always say, the best approach is to upload your DNA from whatever company you used to GEDmatch and Family Tree DNA in order to manually browse or search for Portuguese, Spanish, and Latin American Catholic matches deep down in your list, then to see if they cluster on particular chromosome numbers and particular areas of those chromosomes in your Chromosome Browsers, then take it from there. There are verification processes that should be undertaken to make sure bad data isn't causing identical-by-chance matching. If you had Eastern Ashkenazic ancestors you are nearly guaranteed to have at least one Sephardic ancestor who can be found genetically.

Susan, plenty of data have been collected by this point but relying on imperfect calculators to have something show up is problematic. A barrier is most of the surviving Sephardic populations aren't purely Sephardic. For instance, Moroccan Jews have varying degrees of indigenous Berber admixture (although Spanish-speaking Jews from northern Morocco have less of that), while Turkish Jews and Bulgarian Jews have large degrees of admixture with Ashkenazic and Romaniote Jews, and Sephardim in Aleppo, Syria mixed with Middle Eastern Jews. Matching a modern Sephardic person or having genes similar to a modern Sephardic reference group does not prove Sephardic descent.

Kenneth said it's "a matter... also of Italians having Jewish DNA". Yes, some Italians have Jewish ancestry, in some cases as recently as the 1400s-1500s. It's particularly apparent among Sicilians living in the Siracusa region (SE Sicily), the province of Agrigento (SW Sicily), and the Palermo region (NW Sicily). Sometimes their Jewish ancestry is Sephardic Jewish in origin, other times from the pre-1492 population of local Jews of Romaniote or Italki extraction whom I've been calling Sicilian Jewish. Segment match analysis turned up these connections.

Also there have been some documentary clues. Searching Sephardic SIG's archives here, I saw Nardo Bonomi mentioned in message #612299 the Inquisition case of a Jew-turned-Catholic in Agrigento in 1535 named Jorlando La Licata.

Then I saw another confirmation of the genetic matching pattern I witnessed in Nardo's message #319899 that indicated members of the Palumbo family lived in Sicily in the 1500s and the Inquisition went after them, too. Nardo says one of their cities was Palermo. In message #612203 Jan Meisels Allen referred to 5,000 or more Jews in Palermo who were forced to pretend to be Catholics.

Then there's message #611131 where Michael Waas referenced an apparent Jew named Josue Rubi who lived in the city of Siracusa in, he thinks, the late 1400s.

Hence providing explanations for the existence of Jewish DNA in precisely those same places: Agrigento, Palermo, and Siracusa. Just as Jewish DNA exists in other regions (e.g., Mexico, Spain) where the Inquisition persecuted people and is findable by using my techniques to locate cousin matches between Jews and Catholics.

I don't know whether there's Jewish DNA to be found among residents of towns in the province of Messina (NE Sicily), such as those in Susan's family. Sicily is pretty diverse with regional DNA differences.

My take on the DNA segments I found shared by Sicilian Catholics and Ashkenazic Jews, which are not common, is that one of the Sicilian Converso men escaped to the east then he or a child went northeast. It's documented that there were some Jews from other parts of Italy who made it to Poland. In Alexander Beider's "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Kingdom of Poland", he mentioned that Moses Montalto of Lublin (d. 1637) had a surname indicating his family's origin in the Italian town of Montalto. He also references Chaim Felix Vitalis, who studied in the city of Padua before he moved to Poland, and to Rabbi Abraham Italicus of Poland.

Susan's ancestors from Lvov and Skalat probably had some Sephardic in them because Lvov was one of the first destinations for Sephardim arriving in the Polish realm from Turkey and spread out over Galitzia after that.

Kevin Alan Brook
author of the 5-part series on Sephardic ancestry in Yiddishland for ZichronNote (SFBAJGS)

Need Volunteer to construct web site shopping cart #ukraine #poland

Joel Alpert

We are looking for volunteers to implement a shopping cart that will
integrate with Paypal.
Our catalogue includes 112 book titles, with about 2 added each month.
Customers must be able to order multiple copies, multiple titles, ship
to one address, ship internationally, add shipping flat fee based on
country code. This will improve our ordering efficiency.

Thank you, please respond to YBIP@...
Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project

Tips for searching Romanian vital records #romania

Sarit Klein

Hello, everyone. I have been trying unsuccessfully to find birth and other vital records for relatives on my father's side.  My father was born in Bucharest, Romania in 1944. Based on some notes he made before he passed, I believe my paternal grandfather was born in Husi/Chusi (sp?) Romania in the early 1900s, and my grandmother was born in Bucharest (also early 1900s).  My father and his parents emigrated to Israel in 1947 on the ship Pan York and were held in the Cyprus detention camps for several months.  I have not been able to find any vital records for Bucharest or Husi, nor have I been able to find passenger lists for the Pan York or any lists connected with the Cyprus detention camps. Although I know my grandparents' (and my father's) Romanian birth names, I may not have the correct spelling.  Any search tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

Sarit Klein 

Re: Finding info on great grandparents Bayarsky in Belarus (Grodno? Minsk?) #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

I suggest you contact "The together Plan", a charity based in London UK and Belarus, which helps local Jews learn to be able to earn money.  They have the huge advantage of being fluent in the relevant languages and have full knowledge of the local bureaucracy. !

Good luck,  

Margaret Levin London UK

Re: Druya, Belarus Lipschutz-Padua connection? #belarus

Gerald and Margaret

I suggest you contact The Together Plan, a charity based in London UK and Belarus.. One project is to do genealogical research on an individual basis.  They have the huge advantage of speaking all relevant languages, as well as being v experienced in the local bureaucracy !!  
I'm sure you will get a positive Response from this charity which is helping Jews still living in Belarus to understand how to earn some money.

Best wishes,

Margaret Levin London UK

Re: Photograph needed of headstone in Bloemfontein, South Africa #photographs #southafrica


There are a couple of hundred photos of tombstones in the Jewish section of the Bloemfontein Memoriam cemetery at

but I don't know if the set of photos is exhaustive in covering all the graves.  This web site also has photos of other Jewish cemeteries, synagogues and other institutions, organised geographically.  Photos of tombstones in various other Jewish cemeteries are on the web site of the Genealogical Society of SA, also organised geographically by cemetery and alphabetically within each cemetery.  Photos of tombstones in Cape Town Jewish cemeteries are accessible at the cemetery maintenance board web site.

Bramie Lenhoff
Newark, DE, USA

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