Harry ABRAHAMS and Celia SEYNER
#unitedkingdom
Henry <hmsinai@...>
Many thanks to the members of JGS of GB for the All UK Database.
I am searching for the Family of Sam and Carrie SINAI >from Austria with children Celia, Albert, Lena and Harry who were living in London in 1901. According to JCR-UK marriages, there is a record of a Celia SEYNER marrying Harry Leon ABRAHAMS in Jun 1921 with a witness named Albert SINAY. The dates match and I suspect that SEYNER/SINAY and SINAI are the same family. If anyone has any information about this family, please contact me directly. With kind regards Henry Sinai RAANANA Israel hmsinai@netvision.net.il Researching: SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary, Rest of World PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna (von)KEMENY - Austria/Hungary
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Re: Toponyms (Rogowykamen)
#poland
Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
I was always curious how Jews of Poland ended up with
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last name that have nothing to do with where they came from, profession or human characterisic ("short", "tall", etc). My grandmother was a ROGOWYKAMEN which means "Corner Stone" in Polish. Any ideas how they ended with that kind of last name? Could it be a translation of the German ECKSTEIN last name to Polish? Did Jews translate German last names to Polish? Other members of my family have the last name GELBFISH which means "Yellow Fish". Why would anyone select such a last name for himself? Granted, GELBFISH is not a Polish name - it's German/Yiddish. Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA Researching: REICHENBACH/RAJCHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMEN, SONNENSHEIN/ZONZYNE/ZONSZAJN, SPECTOR/SPEKTOR, GELBFISH
It is my understanding is that a toponym surnameIn my experience, it can be either one.
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Origin of the Olschwanger Surname
#lithuania
Anna Olswanger <anna.olswanger@...>
In the 1980's I published three issues of the Olschwanger
Journal, a magazine about the history of my family in Lithuania, St. Louis, and Memphis, and included references to the origin of the Olschwanger name. I have recently made web pages of the references, and for those of you interested in the history of Jewish surnames in Lithuania, I included links to the 1804 and 1835 "Imperial Statutes Concerning the Organization of Jews," which required Jews to take surnames. Please go to: www.olswanger.com/olschwanger.shtml >from there you can click on seven other links, five of them with a description of the town of Alschwangen as it appears in various books. Anna Olswanger (Fair Lawn, NJ, USA)
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Harry ABRAHAMS and Celia SEYNER
#unitedkingdom
Henry <hmsinai@...>
Many thanks to the members of JGS of GB for the All UK Database.
I am searching for the Family of Sam and Carrie SINAI >from Austria with children Celia, Albert, Lena and Harry who were living in London in 1901. According to JCR-UK marriages, there is a record of a Celia SEYNER marrying Harry Leon ABRAHAMS in Jun 1921 with a witness named Albert SINAY. The dates match and I suspect that SEYNER/SINAY and SINAI are the same family. If anyone has any information about this family, please contact me directly. With kind regards Henry Sinai RAANANA Israel hmsinai@netvision.net.il Researching: SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary, Rest of World PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna (von)KEMENY - Austria/Hungary
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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Toponyms (Rogowykamen)
#poland
Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
I was always curious how Jews of Poland ended up with
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last name that have nothing to do with where they came from, profession or human characterisic ("short", "tall", etc). My grandmother was a ROGOWYKAMEN which means "Corner Stone" in Polish. Any ideas how they ended with that kind of last name? Could it be a translation of the German ECKSTEIN last name to Polish? Did Jews translate German last names to Polish? Other members of my family have the last name GELBFISH which means "Yellow Fish". Why would anyone select such a last name for himself? Granted, GELBFISH is not a Polish name - it's German/Yiddish. Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA Researching: REICHENBACH/RAJCHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMEN, SONNENSHEIN/ZONZYNE/ZONSZAJN, SPECTOR/SPEKTOR, GELBFISH
It is my understanding is that a toponym surnameIn my experience, it can be either one.
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Origin of the Olschwanger Surname
#lithuania
Anna Olswanger <anna.olswanger@...>
In the 1980's I published three issues of the Olschwanger
Journal, a magazine about the history of my family in Lithuania, St. Louis, and Memphis, and included references to the origin of the Olschwanger name. I have recently made web pages of the references, and for those of you interested in the history of Jewish surnames in Lithuania, I included links to the 1804 and 1835 "Imperial Statutes Concerning the Organization of Jews," which required Jews to take surnames. Please go to: www.olswanger.com/olschwanger.shtml >from there you can click on seven other links, five of them with a description of the town of Alschwangen as it appears in various books. Anna Olswanger (Fair Lawn, NJ, USA)
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Given name Durova?
#general
Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
I'm being told by the only people with any information, that my
greatgrandmother's name was Durova Melnikoff. I've never encountered the given name Durova before and it's not in the GNDB. I thought it might be Dvora, but I'm being told it was Durova, definitely not Dvora! She was likely >from the Grodno area. Has anyone encountered this name before? Any ideas? Thanks for the help. Fran Manassas, VA FranSegall@comcast.net *** Doing research on: Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole) Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy) Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo) Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given name Durova?
#general
Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
I'm being told by the only people with any information, that my
greatgrandmother's name was Durova Melnikoff. I've never encountered the given name Durova before and it's not in the GNDB. I thought it might be Dvora, but I'm being told it was Durova, definitely not Dvora! She was likely >from the Grodno area. Has anyone encountered this name before? Any ideas? Thanks for the help. Fran Manassas, VA FranSegall@comcast.net *** Doing research on: Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole) Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy) Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo) Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)
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Can someone on a ship disappear?
#general
Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
Dear Peter:
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I cannot validate your theory about a child "disappearing" on a ship, I pose to you another plausible explaination. I personally have had some experience with a family member not appearing on a manifest, even though I knew that they came with the group. In three of those instances the answer to the question of why they were not on the manifest with the family was that they came under an assumed name. In one instance in 1913, a 32 year old son came with his widowed mother and younger siblings. the family name was DEUTSCHER and he traveled under the name of Moishe FRIEDMAN. Why? Not sure, but it is possible that since he was a draft dodger, he did not have papers or he was afraid to use them. The way that we found out the secret was to get his application for naturalization, where he revealed that he had come to the US under a different name. His real name was Izak DEUTSCHER and in the US, he was known as Edward DEUTSCHER. He was a wonderful man and he lived a long life here. I hope that this helps shed a different light on your problem. Regards, Marlene Bishow Rockville, MD Searching: HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi & Novy Sverzhn' Belarus >NYC > CT KATZ: Zhuravno, Galicia > NYC DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow, Galicia > NYC SINGER: Belarus (Grodno?) > NY > CT SATTENSTEIN: Papile, Lithuania >Philadelphia SOMMERS/SCHOMER?SUMMERS: Kamajai & Uzpaliai Lithuania > Wales > York PA, Baltimore BISHOW (BISHOVSKY) : Russia (Ukraine?) > New Orleans > Baltimore KULPE: Siauilai, Lithuania>Philadelphia PA & Birmingham, AL
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:31:35 -0500
Peter wrote: "My family is on a 1903 Ellis Island manifest, except for one child who was only 5 at the time. I have his birth record >from the old country and records of him in the U.S. It's making me crazy trying to find him. What are the chances that, in the throngs, one or more family members "slip through the turnstyle" as it were, and just weren't counted?" signed, Peter Sices (sicesp@michianaweb.com) South Bend IN
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can someone on a ship disappear?
#general
Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
Dear Peter:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I cannot validate your theory about a child "disappearing" on a ship, I pose to you another plausible explaination. I personally have had some experience with a family member not appearing on a manifest, even though I knew that they came with the group. In three of those instances the answer to the question of why they were not on the manifest with the family was that they came under an assumed name. In one instance in 1913, a 32 year old son came with his widowed mother and younger siblings. the family name was DEUTSCHER and he traveled under the name of Moishe FRIEDMAN. Why? Not sure, but it is possible that since he was a draft dodger, he did not have papers or he was afraid to use them. The way that we found out the secret was to get his application for naturalization, where he revealed that he had come to the US under a different name. His real name was Izak DEUTSCHER and in the US, he was known as Edward DEUTSCHER. He was a wonderful man and he lived a long life here. I hope that this helps shed a different light on your problem. Regards, Marlene Bishow Rockville, MD Searching: HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi & Novy Sverzhn' Belarus >NYC > CT KATZ: Zhuravno, Galicia > NYC DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow, Galicia > NYC SINGER: Belarus (Grodno?) > NY > CT SATTENSTEIN: Papile, Lithuania >Philadelphia SOMMERS/SCHOMER?SUMMERS: Kamajai & Uzpaliai Lithuania > Wales > York PA, Baltimore BISHOW (BISHOVSKY) : Russia (Ukraine?) > New Orleans > Baltimore KULPE: Siauilai, Lithuania>Philadelphia PA & Birmingham, AL
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:31:35 -0500
Peter wrote: "My family is on a 1903 Ellis Island manifest, except for one child who was only 5 at the time. I have his birth record >from the old country and records of him in the U.S. It's making me crazy trying to find him. What are the chances that, in the throngs, one or more family members "slip through the turnstyle" as it were, and just weren't counted?" signed, Peter Sices (sicesp@michianaweb.com) South Bend IN
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TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project
#general
Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century. from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to thelatest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing. The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask, in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up! So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on www.familytreedna.com. TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin, and TALLEBAIE anywhere. Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more information. Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual. Best wishes, Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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Naturalization records of married women
#general
Or Shani
Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and 1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's citizenship. In view of this, does a separate "Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office (State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60 Centre Street, New York ? [Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering those of her husband?] Many thanks for any reply. Or Shani, n. Haifa, Israel
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Were nephews ever listed as sons in census?
#general
russ <russ@...>
Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0 children, 0 living. Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative) instead of the father? Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome. Thanks in advance. Please respond privately. Russ BYER Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)
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region Bujne
#general
lili susser <susserl@...>
Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area? Thank you in advance Lili Susser Susserl@comcast.net
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David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931
#general
Marion Werle <werle@...>
I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester). I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May 1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife, Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was her sister, E. PERAHIA. If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would like to find living relatives of David and Vivian. Marion Werle <werle@linkline.com>
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project
#general
Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century. from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to thelatest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing. The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask, in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up! So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on www.familytreedna.com. TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin, and TALLEBAIE anywhere. Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more information. Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual. Best wishes, Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization records of married women
#general
Or Shani
Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and 1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's citizenship. In view of this, does a separate "Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office (State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60 Centre Street, New York ? [Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering those of her husband?] Many thanks for any reply. Or Shani, n. Haifa, Israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Were nephews ever listed as sons in census?
#general
russ <russ@...>
Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0 children, 0 living. Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative) instead of the father? Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome. Thanks in advance. Please respond privately. Russ BYER Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen region Bujne
#general
lili susser <susserl@...>
Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area? Thank you in advance Lili Susser Susserl@comcast.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931
#general
Marion Werle <werle@...>
I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester). I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May 1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife, Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was her sister, E. PERAHIA. If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would like to find living relatives of David and Vivian. Marion Werle <werle@linkline.com>
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