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Harry ABRAHAMS and Celia SEYNER #unitedkingdom

Henry <hmsinai@...>
 

Many thanks to the members of JGS of GB for the All UK Database.
I am searching for the Family of Sam and Carrie SINAI >from Austria with
children Celia, Albert, Lena and Harry who were living in London in 1901.
According to JCR-UK marriages, there is a record of a Celia SEYNER marrying
Harry Leon ABRAHAMS in Jun 1921 with a witness named Albert SINAY.
The dates match and I suspect that SEYNER/SINAY and SINAI are the same
family.
If anyone has any information about this family, please contact me directly.

With kind regards
Henry Sinai
RAANANA
Israel
hmsinai@netvision.net.il

Researching:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary, Rest of
World
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland
WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
(von)KEMENY - Austria/Hungary


Re: Toponyms (Rogowykamen) #poland

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

I was always curious how Jews of Poland ended up with
last name that have nothing to do with where they came
from, profession or human characterisic ("short",
"tall", etc).

My grandmother was a ROGOWYKAMEN which means "Corner
Stone" in Polish. Any ideas how they ended with that
kind of last name? Could it be a translation of the
German ECKSTEIN last name to Polish? Did Jews
translate German last names to Polish?

Other members of my family have the last name GELBFISH
which means "Yellow Fish". Why would anyone select
such a last name for himself? Granted, GELBFISH is not
a Polish name - it's German/Yiddish.

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA

Researching: REICHENBACH/RAJCHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMEN,
SONNENSHEIN/ZONZYNE/ZONSZAJN, SPECTOR/SPEKTOR,
GELBFISH

It is my understanding is that a toponym surname
generally does NOT mean sombody is a resident of
the place in the name.

Rather it is a reference to the fact a person, or
his ancestors, came >from that place.
In my experience, it can be either one.

My Zarembowicz family adoped the surname while they
were still residing
in Zaremby-Jartuzy.

It seems logical that a toponym based on a large,
populous place would be
less useful if the person still lived there and thus
less likely to be
used. The same would not be true of a toponym taken
from a tiny village
with only a few inhabitants.

Gary Maher
NJ / USA


Origin of the Olschwanger Surname #lithuania

Anna Olswanger <anna.olswanger@...>
 

In the 1980's I published three issues of the Olschwanger
Journal, a magazine about the history of my family in Lithuania,
St. Louis, and Memphis, and included references to the origin of
the Olschwanger name. I have recently made web pages of the
references, and for those of you interested in the history of
Jewish surnames in Lithuania, I included links to the 1804 and
1835 "Imperial Statutes Concerning the Organization of Jews,"
which required Jews to take surnames.

Please go to:

www.olswanger.com/olschwanger.shtml

>from there you can click on seven other links, five of them with
a description of the town of Alschwangen as it appears in various
books.

Anna Olswanger (Fair Lawn, NJ, USA)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Harry ABRAHAMS and Celia SEYNER #unitedkingdom

Henry <hmsinai@...>
 

Many thanks to the members of JGS of GB for the All UK Database.
I am searching for the Family of Sam and Carrie SINAI >from Austria with
children Celia, Albert, Lena and Harry who were living in London in 1901.
According to JCR-UK marriages, there is a record of a Celia SEYNER marrying
Harry Leon ABRAHAMS in Jun 1921 with a witness named Albert SINAY.
The dates match and I suspect that SEYNER/SINAY and SINAI are the same
family.
If anyone has any information about this family, please contact me directly.

With kind regards
Henry Sinai
RAANANA
Israel
hmsinai@netvision.net.il

Researching:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary, Rest of
World
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland
WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
(von)KEMENY - Austria/Hungary


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Toponyms (Rogowykamen) #poland

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

I was always curious how Jews of Poland ended up with
last name that have nothing to do with where they came
from, profession or human characterisic ("short",
"tall", etc).

My grandmother was a ROGOWYKAMEN which means "Corner
Stone" in Polish. Any ideas how they ended with that
kind of last name? Could it be a translation of the
German ECKSTEIN last name to Polish? Did Jews
translate German last names to Polish?

Other members of my family have the last name GELBFISH
which means "Yellow Fish". Why would anyone select
such a last name for himself? Granted, GELBFISH is not
a Polish name - it's German/Yiddish.

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA

Researching: REICHENBACH/RAJCHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMEN,
SONNENSHEIN/ZONZYNE/ZONSZAJN, SPECTOR/SPEKTOR,
GELBFISH

It is my understanding is that a toponym surname
generally does NOT mean sombody is a resident of
the place in the name.

Rather it is a reference to the fact a person, or
his ancestors, came >from that place.
In my experience, it can be either one.

My Zarembowicz family adoped the surname while they
were still residing
in Zaremby-Jartuzy.

It seems logical that a toponym based on a large,
populous place would be
less useful if the person still lived there and thus
less likely to be
used. The same would not be true of a toponym taken
from a tiny village
with only a few inhabitants.

Gary Maher
NJ / USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Origin of the Olschwanger Surname #lithuania

Anna Olswanger <anna.olswanger@...>
 

In the 1980's I published three issues of the Olschwanger
Journal, a magazine about the history of my family in Lithuania,
St. Louis, and Memphis, and included references to the origin of
the Olschwanger name. I have recently made web pages of the
references, and for those of you interested in the history of
Jewish surnames in Lithuania, I included links to the 1804 and
1835 "Imperial Statutes Concerning the Organization of Jews,"
which required Jews to take surnames.

Please go to:

www.olswanger.com/olschwanger.shtml

>from there you can click on seven other links, five of them with
a description of the town of Alschwangen as it appears in various
books.

Anna Olswanger (Fair Lawn, NJ, USA)


Given name Durova? #general

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I'm being told by the only people with any information, that my
greatgrandmother's name was Durova Melnikoff. I've never encountered
the given name Durova before and it's not in the GNDB. I thought it
might be Dvora, but I'm being told it was Durova, definitely not Dvora!
She was likely >from the Grodno area. Has anyone encountered this name
before? Any ideas?

Thanks for the help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net
***
Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given name Durova? #general

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I'm being told by the only people with any information, that my
greatgrandmother's name was Durova Melnikoff. I've never encountered
the given name Durova before and it's not in the GNDB. I thought it
might be Dvora, but I'm being told it was Durova, definitely not Dvora!
She was likely >from the Grodno area. Has anyone encountered this name
before? Any ideas?

Thanks for the help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net
***
Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


Can someone on a ship disappear? #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Dear Peter:

I cannot validate your theory about a child "disappearing" on a ship, I pose
to you another plausible explaination. I personally have had some experience
with a family member not appearing on a manifest, even though I knew that
they came with the group. In three of those instances the answer to the
question of why they were not on the manifest with the family was that they
came under an assumed name. In one instance in 1913, a 32 year old son came
with his widowed mother and younger siblings. the family name was DEUTSCHER
and he traveled under the name of Moishe FRIEDMAN. Why? Not sure, but it is
possible that since he was a draft dodger, he did not have papers or he was
afraid to use them.

The way that we found out the secret was to get his application for
naturalization, where he revealed that he had come to the US under a
different name. His real name was Izak DEUTSCHER and in the US, he was known
as Edward DEUTSCHER. He was a wonderful man and he lived a long life here.

I hope that this helps shed a different light on your problem.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
Searching:
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi & Novy Sverzhn' Belarus >NYC > CT
KATZ: Zhuravno, Galicia > NYC DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow, Galicia > NYC
SINGER: Belarus (Grodno?) > NY > CT SATTENSTEIN: Papile, Lithuania >Philadelphia
SOMMERS/SCHOMER?SUMMERS: Kamajai & Uzpaliai Lithuania > Wales > York PA, Baltimore
BISHOW (BISHOVSKY) : Russia (Ukraine?) > New Orleans > Baltimore
KULPE: Siauilai, Lithuania>Philadelphia PA & Birmingham, AL

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:31:35 -0500
Peter wrote:

"My family is on a 1903 Ellis Island manifest, except for one child who was
only 5 at the time. I have his birth record >from the old country and records
of him in the U.S. It's making me crazy trying to find him.

What are the chances that, in the throngs, one or more family members "slip
through the turnstyle" as it were, and just weren't counted?"

signed,

Peter Sices (sicesp@michianaweb.com)
South Bend IN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can someone on a ship disappear? #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Dear Peter:

I cannot validate your theory about a child "disappearing" on a ship, I pose
to you another plausible explaination. I personally have had some experience
with a family member not appearing on a manifest, even though I knew that
they came with the group. In three of those instances the answer to the
question of why they were not on the manifest with the family was that they
came under an assumed name. In one instance in 1913, a 32 year old son came
with his widowed mother and younger siblings. the family name was DEUTSCHER
and he traveled under the name of Moishe FRIEDMAN. Why? Not sure, but it is
possible that since he was a draft dodger, he did not have papers or he was
afraid to use them.

The way that we found out the secret was to get his application for
naturalization, where he revealed that he had come to the US under a
different name. His real name was Izak DEUTSCHER and in the US, he was known
as Edward DEUTSCHER. He was a wonderful man and he lived a long life here.

I hope that this helps shed a different light on your problem.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
Searching:
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi & Novy Sverzhn' Belarus >NYC > CT
KATZ: Zhuravno, Galicia > NYC DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow, Galicia > NYC
SINGER: Belarus (Grodno?) > NY > CT SATTENSTEIN: Papile, Lithuania >Philadelphia
SOMMERS/SCHOMER?SUMMERS: Kamajai & Uzpaliai Lithuania > Wales > York PA, Baltimore
BISHOW (BISHOVSKY) : Russia (Ukraine?) > New Orleans > Baltimore
KULPE: Siauilai, Lithuania>Philadelphia PA & Birmingham, AL

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:31:35 -0500
Peter wrote:

"My family is on a 1903 Ellis Island manifest, except for one child who was
only 5 at the time. I have his birth record >from the old country and records
of him in the U.S. It's making me crazy trying to find him.

What are the chances that, in the throngs, one or more family members "slip
through the turnstyle" as it were, and just weren't counted?"

signed,

Peter Sices (sicesp@michianaweb.com)
South Bend IN


TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century.
from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to the
latest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned
hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the
next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing.
The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask,
in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up!
So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on
www.familytreedna.com.

TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in
a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare
name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some
in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name
is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are
especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN
in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin,
and TALLEBAIE anywhere.
Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more
information.

Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Naturalization records of married women #general

Or Shani
 

Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and
1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's
citizenship. In view of this, does a separate
"Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask
for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office
(State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60
Centre Street, New York ?
[Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering
those of her husband?]
Many thanks for any reply.
Or Shani,
n. Haifa, Israel


Were nephews ever listed as sons in census? #general

russ <russ@...>
 

Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons
on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers
and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at
some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife
Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent
with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey
and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0
children, 0 living.

Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative)
instead of the father?

Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Please respond privately.

Russ BYER
Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)


region Bujne #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my
uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area?
Thank you in advance
Lili Susser
Susserl@comcast.net


David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931 #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of
PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the
bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the
son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were
Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester).

I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is
buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May
1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on
Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as
well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife,
Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was
her sister, E. PERAHIA.

If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would
like to find living relatives of David and Vivian.

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century.
from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to the
latest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned
hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the
next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing.
The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask,
in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up!
So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on
www.familytreedna.com.

TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in
a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare
name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some
in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name
is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are
especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN
in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin,
and TALLEBAIE anywhere.
Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more
information.

Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization records of married women #general

Or Shani
 

Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and
1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's
citizenship. In view of this, does a separate
"Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask
for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office
(State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60
Centre Street, New York ?
[Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering
those of her husband?]
Many thanks for any reply.
Or Shani,
n. Haifa, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Were nephews ever listed as sons in census? #general

russ <russ@...>
 

Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons
on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers
and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at
some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife
Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent
with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey
and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0
children, 0 living.

Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative)
instead of the father?

Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Please respond privately.

Russ BYER
Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen region Bujne #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my
uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area?
Thank you in advance
Lili Susser
Susserl@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931 #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of
PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the
bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the
son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were
Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester).

I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is
buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May
1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on
Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as
well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife,
Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was
her sister, E. PERAHIA.

If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would
like to find living relatives of David and Vivian.

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>