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Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

HeyJudy123@...

#74753

I am going to take exception with the learned moderator on this one, 
speaking not as an expert but, rather, anecdotally.  In response to a query posted 
by Sam Schleman, moderator VK states that, in Hungary, "Gizel" and "Kati" are 
not versions of the same name.  

  This past summer, for the first time, my mother--who now is 86 and not 
always clear-minded--told me about her mother's cousin "Gisella," which she 
pronounced GIZZ-ella with a hard "g."  She recalled Gisella arriving in New York 
from Hungary c. 1922, when she was a little girl.  Years earlier, Mom had told me about my grandmother's cousin Katie, also >from Hungary.  My grandmother had 
died before I was born.

  This branch of my mother's family came >from that same area of Hungary that, 
at various times, was part of the former Czechoslovakia; this is the same 
area where the Jews spoke German rather than Yiddish.

   Yesterday, out of the blue, I was the beneficiary of a major JewishGen 
success.  A man located me through the "Family Finder" with very detailed and 
specific information about the family of Mom's maternal grandfather.  He is 
descended >from a sister of this same man.  

    All of the information matches, and he told us much more about this 
BAYERN family than anyone in my mother's surviving family ever before had known.  
Needless to say, my mother and her first cousins, my sister and our own first 
cousins, all are very excited to have found this whole new group of second and 
third cousins, especially since we had assumed that all of their parents and 
grandparents had been murdered by the Nazis.  (Of course, most of them were, 
indeed, killed by Hitler's henchmen.)

    One detail that came >from this learned man, as an aside, (this occurred 
just yesterday, remember) was the fact that Cousin Gisella's name, in 
Hungarian, was... Kati!  Make of this what you will.

      Judy Segal, NYC

Moderator VK:  Despite the fact that several SIGers have commented that they have relatives whose names were Gisela/Kati, I can't think of any reason for this pairing.  Can anyone offer an explanation?  None of the name lists I use provide any clues that indicate basis for this connection.

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

HeyJudy123@...

#395089

I am going to take exception with the learned moderator on this one, 
speaking not as an expert but, rather, anecdotally.  In response to a query posted 
by Sam Schleman, moderator VK states that, in Hungary, "Gizel" and "Kati" are 
not versions of the same name.  

  This past summer, for the first time, my mother--who now is 86 and not 
always clear-minded--told me about her mother's cousin "Gisella," which she 
pronounced GIZZ-ella with a hard "g."  She recalled Gisella arriving in New York 
from Hungary c. 1922, when she was a little girl.  Years earlier, Mom had told me about my grandmother's cousin Katie, also >from Hungary.  My grandmother had 
died before I was born.

  This branch of my mother's family came >from that same area of Hungary that, 
at various times, was part of the former Czechoslovakia; this is the same 
area where the Jews spoke German rather than Yiddish.

   Yesterday, out of the blue, I was the beneficiary of a major JewishGen 
success.  A man located me through the "Family Finder" with very detailed and 
specific information about the family of Mom's maternal grandfather.  He is 
descended >from a sister of this same man.  

    All of the information matches, and he told us much more about this 
BAYERN family than anyone in my mother's surviving family ever before had known.  
Needless to say, my mother and her first cousins, my sister and our own first 
cousins, all are very excited to have found this whole new group of second and 
third cousins, especially since we had assumed that all of their parents and 
grandparents had been murdered by the Nazis.  (Of course, most of them were, 
indeed, killed by Hitler's henchmen.)

    One detail that came >from this learned man, as an aside, (this occurred 
just yesterday, remember) was the fact that Cousin Gisella's name, in 
Hungarian, was... Kati!  Make of this what you will.

      Judy Segal, NYC

Moderator VK:  Despite the fact that several SIGers have commented that they have relatives whose names were Gisela/Kati, I can't think of any reason for this pairing.  Can anyone offer an explanation?  None of the name lists I use provide any clues that indicate basis for this connection.

Re: success report #hungary

BruceKitty@...

#74752

Thanks for sharing! Indeed this is encouraging for me, to keep plodding on...
And I am so happy for you!
  Kitty

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: success report #hungary

BruceKitty@...

#395088

Thanks for sharing! Indeed this is encouraging for me, to keep plodding on...
And I am so happy for you!
  Kitty

Re: Vranov nad Toplou (Slovakia) - a booklet from 2002 about its Jews #hungary

Uri Jakubovic

#74750

Tomas Lang wrote:
Dear Friends:
I think not Mr. Solanik´s booklet is expensive - as
mentioned above "The price is 25 USD!!! (yes! - very
expensive)"
***but the postage is expensive.***
Please note the current postage to Israel or USA when
air-mailed costs 440 SKK, e.g. 14,20 USD, snail-mail (not
air-mailed) costs 390,- SKK, e.g. 12.60 USD and EMS -
registered costs 590,- SKK, e.g. 19,00 USD per piece.
The current exchange rate of USD to SKK is 31,- SKK / USD

==========
Well, on the envelope of Ing. Sol'anik's letter sent to Israel were postal marks of 70 Sk! That means about 2.26 USD only!!!

Fw: Translation of proof of Birth VM3524 #hungary

annsel <annsel@...>

#74751

Dear Geners,
I am hoping someone will be able to translate my GGF proof of birth
document. I am looking for the exact dates as well as any locations if they
are mentioned. The file on Viewmate is VM3524
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate). Please respond privately

Thank You
Anne Selikov
SO CAL

Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Re: Vranov nad Toplou (Slovakia) - a booklet from 2002 about its Jews #hungary

Uri Jakubovic

#395086

Tomas Lang wrote:
Dear Friends:
I think not Mr. Solanik´s booklet is expensive - as
mentioned above "The price is 25 USD!!! (yes! - very
expensive)"
***but the postage is expensive.***
Please note the current postage to Israel or USA when
air-mailed costs 440 SKK, e.g. 14,20 USD, snail-mail (not
air-mailed) costs 390,- SKK, e.g. 12.60 USD and EMS -
registered costs 590,- SKK, e.g. 19,00 USD per piece.
The current exchange rate of USD to SKK is 31,- SKK / USD

==========
Well, on the envelope of Ing. Sol'anik's letter sent to Israel were postal marks of 70 Sk! That means about 2.26 USD only!!!

Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: Translation of proof of Birth VM3524 #hungary

annsel <annsel@...>

#395087

Dear Geners,
I am hoping someone will be able to translate my GGF proof of birth
document. I am looking for the exact dates as well as any locations if they
are mentioned. The file on Viewmate is VM3524
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate). Please respond privately

Thank You
Anne Selikov
SO CAL

Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

Marian Brown

#74748

My grandmother was a Ghizella and know as Katherine, Kate, Katie and 
Kitty in the U.S.  Never knew about Ghizella until til I saw here 
passenger list.

Marian Brown

Sam Schleman wrote:

Show quoted text

Hello All:

Is it likely that the name Gizel, taken >from a birth register in the 1870's,
would translate into Kate in English?

Thanks.

Sam

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Moderator VK:  Kate is not an Anglicized version of Gizel.  Gizella is a relatively common Hungarian name.  Gizi or Giza are nicknames and Gittel is the Yiddish version.  Gisele would be the "Anglicized" version.  Kati is a nickname for Katalin, also a common Hungarian female name.  Someone born in 1870 would be unlikely to have seen Kate Hepburn in the movies but, who knows??

Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>

#74749

Is it likely that the name Gizel, taken >from a birth register in the
1870's, would translate into Kate in English?

Moderator VK:  Kate is not an Anglicized version of Gizel.  Gizella is
a relatively common Hungarian name.  Gizi or Giza are nicknames and
Gittel is the Yiddish version.  Gisele would be the "Anglicized"
version.  Kati is a nickname for Katalin, also a common Hungarian
female name.My research has found that relatives who went by "Gittel" in 
Europe often used the name "Katie" when they arrived in the USA. 
That is not to say that the names are equivalent, or that Katie is a 
"translation" of Gittel. But my experience is that the names were 
commonly interchanged.

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA. 
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA. 
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA. 
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ. 
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH. 
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

Marian Brown

#395084

My grandmother was a Ghizella and know as Katherine, Kate, Katie and 
Kitty in the U.S.  Never knew about Ghizella until til I saw here 
passenger list.

Marian Brown

Sam Schleman wrote:

Show quoted text

Hello All:

Is it likely that the name Gizel, taken >from a birth register in the 1870's,
would translate into Kate in English?

Thanks.

Sam

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Moderator VK:  Kate is not an Anglicized version of Gizel.  Gizella is a relatively common Hungarian name.  Gizi or Giza are nicknames and Gittel is the Yiddish version.  Gisele would be the "Anglicized" version.  Kati is a nickname for Katalin, also a common Hungarian female name.  Someone born in 1870 would be unlikely to have seen Kate Hepburn in the movies but, who knows??

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The name "Gizel" #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>

#395085

Is it likely that the name Gizel, taken >from a birth register in the
1870's, would translate into Kate in English?

Moderator VK:  Kate is not an Anglicized version of Gizel.  Gizella is
a relatively common Hungarian name.  Gizi or Giza are nicknames and
Gittel is the Yiddish version.  Gisele would be the "Anglicized"
version.  Kati is a nickname for Katalin, also a common Hungarian
female name.My research has found that relatives who went by "Gittel" in 
Europe often used the name "Katie" when they arrived in the USA. 
That is not to say that the names are equivalent, or that Katie is a 
"translation" of Gittel. But my experience is that the names were 
commonly interchanged.

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA. 
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA. 
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA. 
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ. 
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH. 
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.

Re: bel and olah kakutz hungary #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>

#74745

Thanks to all of you who answered my question about
the towns of Bel and Olah Kakutz. Now I know they are
in Romania of today and far >from where my grandmother
was born, so the women I found on the 1848 census is
probably not my ggmother.
Ilona Lerman

Re: The value of Kronen in Czechoslovakia in about 1933 #hungary

Gabriela Svatos

#74746

Please note that the Czechs and Slovaks each have their own "korunas".  
Today 875 Slovak Korunas are worth approx. $27USD.  As a comparison, a tank 
of gas in Slovakia (2003)  cost over 1000 Slovak Korunas.

Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Show quoted text

From: "Meyer Denn" <meyersdenn@ev1.net>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] The value of Kronen in Czechoslovakia in about 1933
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:56:00 -0800

I recently found a diary of a relative who visited his home town in 
Slovakia
in about 1933. In the diary he writes how much money he gave as a gift to
each relative or for aliyas in shul (shnuder). For example, he gave my 
great
grandfather 875 Kronen, which he noted in the margins was equivalent to 
$25.

Can someone tell me what the equivalent of 875 Kronen by today's standard
and economy would be? How many dollars would that be today?

Thanks,

Meyer Denn
Los Angeles, CA
meyersdenn@ev1.net

Ferenc x Avigdor #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>

#74747

Ferenc and Avigdor have no common roots. Ferenc is the Hungarian form 
of the Italian name FRANCESCO, which means ">from France" or 
"Frenchman". Saint Francis of Assisi was the originator of this name 
given that his wealthy family had large estates in France.

On the other hand Avigdor is a pure Hebrew name meaning "father protector".

Regards
Tom

Show quoted text

At 00:00 -0600 29.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: RE: Ferencz
From: "Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@kla-tencor.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:05:24 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello All,
In a recent work I did just now I came accross many Ferenc (or Ferencz) with
nickname of Ferri. All of them, with one exception, bore tha Hebrew name of
Avigdor or Wigdor. The one exception I know about (a relative of mine) bares
the Hebrew name of Pinchas. I am not sure if Avigdor can be generalized and
be associated generally with Ferenc, I am just sharing my experience with
you hoping it will help.

-- 
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Hungary SIG #Hungary re:bel and olah kakutz hungary #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>

#395081

Thanks to all of you who answered my question about
the towns of Bel and Olah Kakutz. Now I know they are
in Romania of today and far >from where my grandmother
was born, so the women I found on the 1848 census is
probably not my ggmother.
Ilona Lerman

Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: The value of Kronen in Czechoslovakia in about 1933 #hungary

Gabriela Svatos

#395082

Please note that the Czechs and Slovaks each have their own "korunas".  
Today 875 Slovak Korunas are worth approx. $27USD.  As a comparison, a tank 
of gas in Slovakia (2003)  cost over 1000 Slovak Korunas.

Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Show quoted text

From: "Meyer Denn" <meyersdenn@ev1.net>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] The value of Kronen in Czechoslovakia in about 1933
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:56:00 -0800

I recently found a diary of a relative who visited his home town in 
Slovakia
in about 1933. In the diary he writes how much money he gave as a gift to
each relative or for aliyas in shul (shnuder). For example, he gave my 
great
grandfather 875 Kronen, which he noted in the margins was equivalent to 
$25.

Can someone tell me what the equivalent of 875 Kronen by today's standard
and economy would be? How many dollars would that be today?

Thanks,

Meyer Denn
Los Angeles, CA
meyersdenn@ev1.net

Hungary SIG #Hungary Ferenc x Avigdor #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>

#395083

Ferenc and Avigdor have no common roots. Ferenc is the Hungarian form 
of the Italian name FRANCESCO, which means ">from France" or 
"Frenchman". Saint Francis of Assisi was the originator of this name 
given that his wealthy family had large estates in France.

On the other hand Avigdor is a pure Hebrew name meaning "father protector".

Regards
Tom

Show quoted text

At 00:00 -0600 29.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: RE: Ferencz
From: "Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@kla-tencor.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:05:24 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello All,
In a recent work I did just now I came accross many Ferenc (or Ferencz) with
nickname of Ferri. All of them, with one exception, bore tha Hebrew name of
Avigdor or Wigdor. The one exception I know about (a relative of mine) bares
the Hebrew name of Pinchas. I am not sure if Avigdor can be generalized and
be associated generally with Ferenc, I am just sharing my experience with
you hoping it will help.

-- 
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Re: Jewish Divorce Records -- Moldova/Bessarabia #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>

#284324

Divorce records for 1900, 1902, 1904 to 1907 and 1910
are available >from the Family History Library. They
eventually will be transliterated and available on the
"All Romanian" database on JewishGen. The records are
in Russian (Cyrillic) and Hebrew script.

We are currently in the process of transliterating
divorce records for 1879, 1880, 1882, 1885, 1886,
1888, 1890, 1893, 1897 and 1899. We are hoping to have
these records in the database later this year.

Contact me if you are able to transliterate Cyrillic
or Hebrew script and are interested in helping with
this project.

Bob Wascou
Kishinev Vital Records 
Project Coordinator


--- Sheldon Portman <sport82129@juno.com> wrote:
Anyone know if there are Jewish divorce records for
the early 1900's for
Bessarabia (now Moldova)?  If so, how to try to get
access?

Sheldon Portman
Las Vegas, NV

Researching:  GOLDENBERG, KLOPP



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Romania SIG #Romania Re: Jewish Divorce Records -- Moldova/Bessarabia #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>

#604578

Divorce records for 1900, 1902, 1904 to 1907 and 1910
are available >from the Family History Library. They
eventually will be transliterated and available on the
"All Romanian" database on JewishGen. The records are
in Russian (Cyrillic) and Hebrew script.

We are currently in the process of transliterating
divorce records for 1879, 1880, 1882, 1885, 1886,
1888, 1890, 1893, 1897 and 1899. We are hoping to have
these records in the database later this year.

Contact me if you are able to transliterate Cyrillic
or Hebrew script and are interested in helping with
this project.

Bob Wascou
Kishinev Vital Records 
Project Coordinator


--- Sheldon Portman <sport82129@juno.com> wrote:
Anyone know if there are Jewish divorce records for
the early 1900's for
Bessarabia (now Moldova)?  If so, how to try to get
access?

Sheldon Portman
Las Vegas, NV

Researching:  GOLDENBERG, KLOPP



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