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TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century.
from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to the
latest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned
hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the
next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing.
The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask,
in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up!
So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on
www.familytreedna.com.

TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in
a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare
name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some
in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name
is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are
especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN
in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin,
and TALLEBAIE anywhere.
Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more
information.

Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Naturalization records of married women #general

Or Shani
 

Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and
1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's
citizenship. In view of this, does a separate
"Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask
for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office
(State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60
Centre Street, New York ?
[Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering
those of her husband?]
Many thanks for any reply.
Or Shani,
n. Haifa, Israel


Were nephews ever listed as sons in census? #general

russ <russ@...>
 

Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons
on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers
and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at
some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife
Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent
with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey
and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0
children, 0 living.

Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative)
instead of the father?

Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Please respond privately.

Russ BYER
Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)


region Bujne #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my
uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area?
Thank you in advance
Lili Susser
Susserl@comcast.net


David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931 #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of
PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the
bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the
son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were
Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester).

I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is
buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May
1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on
Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as
well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife,
Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was
her sister, E. PERAHIA.

If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would
like to find living relatives of David and Vivian.

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TALALAY-TALALAI DNA Project #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
TALALAY-TALALAI research has made the leap into the 21st century.
from handwritten charts to very elementary DOS genealogy software to the
latest version with all the bells and whistles, >from old-fashioned
hand-written letters to e-mail, we've now crossed into the
next-to-final-frontier: DNA testing.
The next stage, I'm sure, will be time travel, when we can go back and ask,
in person, our gggggfather those hard questions we've been saving up!
So, please note that as of yesterday, we are listed on
www.familytreedna.com.

TALALAY-TALALAI family members worldwide are being sought to participate in
a DNA study to confirm the common origin of all branches of our very rare
name. Some US branches changed to TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, some
in the US, Canada, UK retained TALALAY. If you know that your original name
is TALALAY with Eastern European or any origins, please participate. We are
especially interested in finding the four brothers who changed to FEINSTEIN
in Philadelphia, as well as worldwide TALAYA or TALALLA of Spanish origin,
and TALLEBAIE anywhere.
Contact Schelly Talalay Dardashti, <dardasht@barak-online.net> for more
information.

Thanks to everyone for their assistance, as usual.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization records of married women #general

Or Shani
 

Dear Genners,
It has been previously stated, that between 1907 and
1921 a woman would automatically acquire her husband's
citizenship. In view of this, does a separate
"Declaration of Intention" exist and how should I ask
for it when writing to the County Clerk's Office
(State Supreme Court, Division of Old Records) in 60
Centre Street, New York ?
[Would I receive the wife's records by simply ordering
those of her husband?]
Many thanks for any reply.
Or Shani,
n. Haifa, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Were nephews ever listed as sons in census? #general

russ <russ@...>
 

Due to language barriers or other reasons, was it common, or even
possible that nephews living with an uncle and aunt were listed as sons
on the census? My ggfather's name was Julius BYER, he had many brothers
and sisters, one was Louis. All of the brothers and sisters lived at
some time in Bangor, ME. A 1910 census lists a Skey? BYER, with wife
Sarah and 2 sons, Julius (age 24) and Louis (age 26), age consistent
with the dob for julius, 1886 as well as date of immigration 1903. Skey
and Sarah are listed as being married for 33 years, and Sarah has 0
children, 0 living.

Is it possible that this Skey BYER is an uncle (or some other relative)
instead of the father?

Any hints >from more seasoned genners welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Please respond privately.

Russ BYER
Researching: BYER (>from Kovna, Lith) COSTRELL (>from Vilnius, Lith)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen region Bujne #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hi everyone,
According to the translation I received of a census in Poland I was told my
uncle "moved to Bujne" in 1909. Is anyone familiar with such an area?
Thank you in advance
Lili Susser
Susserl@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David KRAVITZ-Vittle/Vivian PERLOAF (sic) marriage, 1931 #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I am trying to find descendants of my grandfather's cousin, David KRAVITZ,
who married Vittle PERLOAF (sic--probably some variant of
PERLOFF/PERLOW/PEARLOF) in New York City in 1931. It is likely that the
bride changed her name to Vivian at some point later on. The groom was the
son of Hyman and Ida KRAVITZ (nee Lazerson), and the bride's parents were
Jacob and Rebecca PERLOAF/PERLOFF (nee Kester).

I called Beth David Cemetery, where David's father, Hyman KRAVITZ, is
buried, and found that David's mother, Ida, is also buried there (d. 21 May
1952). The next of kin was listed as David Kravitz, who was living on
Sherman Ave. in NY. I also found that David Kravitz was buried there as
well, with a death date of 5 July 1983, and the informant was his wife,
Vivian, who died a few years later, on 5 November 1986. The next of kin was
her sister, E. PERAHIA.

If any of this sounds at all familiar, please respond privately. I would
like to find living relatives of David and Vivian.

Marion Werle
<werle@linkline.com>


Re: Searching for Emanuel BAER of Alsace-Lorraine #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

As you will see on the site http://alsace.bossue.free.fr/vildispl.htm
Sulzen is among the villages which disappeared. His name is now
Wolfskirchen (Bas-Rhin).
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for Emanuel BAER of Alsace-Lorraine #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

As you will see on the site http://alsace.bossue.free.fr/vildispl.htm
Sulzen is among the villages which disappeared. His name is now
Wolfskirchen (Bas-Rhin).
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Re: Can someone on a ship disappear? #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Anything is possible! But consider that the child might have gotten sick,
the family didn't want to lose the money paid for all the tickets, so they
left the child with an Aunt/Grandparents/oldest sibling who was married.
Remember that the family left their home, sold everything they could not
carry, left work-what could they do?

I know of one case where the ship left, measles broke out, the ship went
back to port and left the sick kids. The descendent of this family still
wonders what happened to the little child left behind when the family went
to the New World. It was a different world.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Surnames Associated with Shochets #general

hekenvin@...
 

Steve Orlen wrote: "Does anyone know of surnames associated with the profession of shochet?"

A man named SCHECHTER who married my great-grandfather's sister was the son of the town shochet in Skala Podol'skaya (Ukraine). And just the other night, I learned that the original name of the father of our cousin surnamed Mass was MIYASNIK. In Russian, "miyasa" or "m'yasa" means "meat," and I'd bet our cousin's paternal ancestors included a shochet.

Helene Kenvin
Researching: WAXMAN, EINBINDER, COHEN (Kalarash, Bessarabia); WEISMAN (Semanov-Trembovla, Ukraine); WIESENTHAL (Skala Podol'skaya, Ukraine); SCHWARTZ, WEISS, BALAJTI (Miskolc, Hungary); COHEN (Gnesen, Prussia; 19th century NYC and Richmond, VA); JACOBS (19th century NYC and Richmond, VA); ROTHOLZ-ROADHOUSE (Hamburg; 19th century Richmond, VA and Kansas City, KS); KHENVIN-ZEITSEV (Kremenchug, Ukraine); WALTMAN, GOODMAN (Chotin-Zhvanits, Bessarabia).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Can someone on a ship disappear? #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Anything is possible! But consider that the child might have gotten sick,
the family didn't want to lose the money paid for all the tickets, so they
left the child with an Aunt/Grandparents/oldest sibling who was married.
Remember that the family left their home, sold everything they could not
carry, left work-what could they do?

I know of one case where the ship left, measles broke out, the ship went
back to port and left the sick kids. The descendent of this family still
wonders what happened to the little child left behind when the family went
to the New World. It was a different world.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surnames Associated with Shochets #general

hekenvin@...
 

Steve Orlen wrote: "Does anyone know of surnames associated with the profession of shochet?"

A man named SCHECHTER who married my great-grandfather's sister was the son of the town shochet in Skala Podol'skaya (Ukraine). And just the other night, I learned that the original name of the father of our cousin surnamed Mass was MIYASNIK. In Russian, "miyasa" or "m'yasa" means "meat," and I'd bet our cousin's paternal ancestors included a shochet.

Helene Kenvin
Researching: WAXMAN, EINBINDER, COHEN (Kalarash, Bessarabia); WEISMAN (Semanov-Trembovla, Ukraine); WIESENTHAL (Skala Podol'skaya, Ukraine); SCHWARTZ, WEISS, BALAJTI (Miskolc, Hungary); COHEN (Gnesen, Prussia; 19th century NYC and Richmond, VA); JACOBS (19th century NYC and Richmond, VA); ROTHOLZ-ROADHOUSE (Hamburg; 19th century Richmond, VA and Kansas City, KS); KHENVIN-ZEITSEV (Kremenchug, Ukraine); WALTMAN, GOODMAN (Chotin-Zhvanits, Bessarabia).


Alsace or Lorraine #general

Association GenAmi <asso.genami@...>
 

For genners not yet used to do genealogy in France,
I have to repeat that Alsace-Lorraine never existed.
There were two different provinces : Alsace and Lorraine
with each several departments, so several departemental archives,
differents laws, differents sources.
So, it is necessary to know the place more precisely.

For Deborah Scheimer, who is searching for Emmanuel BAER
in a certain Sultzen (which does not exist) I have some reasons
to think that it was in Soultz-sous-Foret, in department of Bas-Rhin,
Alsace.
I write her directly.

Micheline GUTMANN
asso.genami@free.fr
Site GenAmi : http://asso.genami.free.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Alsace or Lorraine #general

Association GenAmi <asso.genami@...>
 

For genners not yet used to do genealogy in France,
I have to repeat that Alsace-Lorraine never existed.
There were two different provinces : Alsace and Lorraine
with each several departments, so several departemental archives,
differents laws, differents sources.
So, it is necessary to know the place more precisely.

For Deborah Scheimer, who is searching for Emmanuel BAER
in a certain Sultzen (which does not exist) I have some reasons
to think that it was in Soultz-sous-Foret, in department of Bas-Rhin,
Alsace.
I write her directly.

Micheline GUTMANN
asso.genami@free.fr
Site GenAmi : http://asso.genami.free.fr


Zesel #general

Monty <montagues@...>
 

"Family lore has it that my grandfather's mother's name was Zesel. I have
never heard of that name before. I wonder if: (1) other people have heard of
this name; and/or 2) could it be a variation of another name?"

It simply means "sweet one" inYiddish

Monty Starr
Birmingham UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zesel #general

Monty <montagues@...>
 

"Family lore has it that my grandfather's mother's name was Zesel. I have
never heard of that name before. I wonder if: (1) other people have heard of
this name; and/or 2) could it be a variation of another name?"

It simply means "sweet one" inYiddish

Monty Starr
Birmingham UK