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Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Ilona Lerman posted as follows:

"I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?"

Indeed, the secular name Rezi/Resi is a nickname used in Hungary for the
Hungarian secular name Terezia. The Hungarian name Terezia corresponds to
the German secular name Therese. Both of these names, Terezia and Therese,
were popular in Hungary. So, the chances are good that Ilona has found her
great aunt Therese/Rezi.

In fact, a number of other similar linked secular names used in both
Germany and Hungary, as well as a wealth of nicknames for these two names,
are to be found in the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases for Hungary and
Germany, at < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >. A
forthcoming update of these two GNDBs will list even more variants. In
order to see these names in the data bases, search for the names Therese,
Terezia, and Resi using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex or Text search.

It is worthwhile remembering that any of these variants could have been
used in other archival documents, particularly those >from Hungarian
archives where secular names would be more likely to be found, rather than
linked Hebrew or Yiddish names.

Shavu'a tov

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Ilona Lerman posted as follows:

"I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?"

Indeed, the secular name Rezi/Resi is a nickname used in Hungary for the
Hungarian secular name Terezia. The Hungarian name Terezia corresponds to
the German secular name Therese. Both of these names, Terezia and Therese,
were popular in Hungary. So, the chances are good that Ilona has found her
great aunt Therese/Rezi.

In fact, a number of other similar linked secular names used in both
Germany and Hungary, as well as a wealth of nicknames for these two names,
are to be found in the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases for Hungary and
Germany, at < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >. A
forthcoming update of these two GNDBs will list even more variants. In
order to see these names in the data bases, search for the names Therese,
Terezia, and Resi using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex or Text search.

It is worthwhile remembering that any of these variants could have been
used in other archival documents, particularly those >from Hungarian
archives where secular names would be more likely to be found, rather than
linked Hebrew or Yiddish names.

Shavu'a tov

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Re: Triester Frau restaurant #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

I notice that you are researching the name Sonnenschein. Did you perchance
see an
American film about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family, which was shown about
2 yrs ago.
Kitty

Moderator VK: Kitty is no doubt referring to Istvan Szabo's "Sunshine", an epic tale about a Jewish Hungarian family that spans the decades beginning with the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was originally written as a mini-series for German television. Canadian producer Robert Lantos urged Szabo to rewrite the Hungarian-language script into a shorter English-language film.


Re: Words on Birth Records #hungary

Blrosen@...
 

Hi Gary,
Beregi (or Berehi) is the name of a small town presently in the Ukraine. It is about 20 miles or so >from Berehovo (or Beregovo) which is near the Ukrainian/Hungarian border.

When Beregi was within the Hungarian borders, it was known as NagyBereg. Similarly, Berehovo was known as Beregszasz.

I visited these 2 towns in 1998 with a group of Genners because my grandmother was >from Beregi. There, in the cemetery in Beregi, I discovered the gravestones of my grandmother's siblings, my ggfather and my gggfather !! What a thrill !!

Betty Rosen
Boulder, CO


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Triester Frau restaurant #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

I notice that you are researching the name Sonnenschein. Did you perchance
see an
American film about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family, which was shown about
2 yrs ago.
Kitty

Moderator VK: Kitty is no doubt referring to Istvan Szabo's "Sunshine", an epic tale about a Jewish Hungarian family that spans the decades beginning with the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was originally written as a mini-series for German television. Canadian producer Robert Lantos urged Szabo to rewrite the Hungarian-language script into a shorter English-language film.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Words on Birth Records #hungary

Blrosen@...
 

Hi Gary,
Beregi (or Berehi) is the name of a small town presently in the Ukraine. It is about 20 miles or so >from Berehovo (or Beregovo) which is near the Ukrainian/Hungarian border.

When Beregi was within the Hungarian borders, it was known as NagyBereg. Similarly, Berehovo was known as Beregszasz.

I visited these 2 towns in 1998 with a group of Genners because my grandmother was >from Beregi. There, in the cemetery in Beregi, I discovered the gravestones of my grandmother's siblings, my ggfather and my gggfather !! What a thrill !!

Betty Rosen
Boulder, CO


Re: *re: Name change--research tool #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Just to repeat what I indicated before it is a "Microfiche", and not a
microfilm. What it means is that if the local branch of FHL does not
have it, they can order it for a nominal cost (it used to be $ .15)
and keep it forever, once they get it.
Robert

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hello folks:

The Mormons have this book on microfilm number 0897093 Item 2
The book's correct and full title is:
Sza'zadunk ne'vva'ltoztata'sai: helytarto'sa'gi e's miniszteri
engede'lylyel megva'ltoztatott nevek gyu"jteme'nye, 1800-1893
(Name changes of our century: Collection of names changed with
ministerial or local permits - 1800-1893)

I would be very much interested in the registers Alex mentions
regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 08.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Name change--research tool
From: alex p miller
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:35:44 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

Around 1908 a register was published by the Hungarian Government that
listed all the changes in last names of individuals(I don't know the
exact time frame, but certainly includes the bulk of the changes which
occurred late 19th century)

Alex Miller

Moderator VK: Good news! We have a database that will soon be
submitted that includes names found in an 1895 book reporting name
changes. The title of the book,Szasadunk Nevvaltoztatasai
1800-1893. ... I don't know if the book has been filmed by the FHL.


Re: Triester Frau restaurant #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Try contacting the Hungarian Tourist Board. the Hung. Consulate to offer
you resources to Cultural or Historical sites in Budapest,for this
information. Also, try
the Mayor's office/Town Hall where there should be census records for places
of
business as restaurants.
Good Luck!
Kitty


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: *re: Name change--research tool #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Just to repeat what I indicated before it is a "Microfiche", and not a
microfilm. What it means is that if the local branch of FHL does not
have it, they can order it for a nominal cost (it used to be $ .15)
and keep it forever, once they get it.
Robert

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hello folks:

The Mormons have this book on microfilm number 0897093 Item 2
The book's correct and full title is:
Sza'zadunk ne'vva'ltoztata'sai: helytarto'sa'gi e's miniszteri
engede'lylyel megva'ltoztatott nevek gyu"jteme'nye, 1800-1893
(Name changes of our century: Collection of names changed with
ministerial or local permits - 1800-1893)

I would be very much interested in the registers Alex mentions
regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 08.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Name change--research tool
From: alex p miller
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:35:44 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

Around 1908 a register was published by the Hungarian Government that
listed all the changes in last names of individuals(I don't know the
exact time frame, but certainly includes the bulk of the changes which
occurred late 19th century)

Alex Miller

Moderator VK: Good news! We have a database that will soon be
submitted that includes names found in an 1895 book reporting name
changes. The title of the book,Szasadunk Nevvaltoztatasai
1800-1893. ... I don't know if the book has been filmed by the FHL.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Triester Frau restaurant #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Try contacting the Hungarian Tourist Board. the Hung. Consulate to offer
you resources to Cultural or Historical sites in Budapest,for this
information. Also, try
the Mayor's office/Town Hall where there should be census records for places
of
business as restaurants.
Good Luck!
Kitty


re 19th Century Geography #hungary

jek <jek.hbacka@...>
 

Hi.

Just a comment to Sam Schlemans question Mon, 5 Jan 2004
"... is it at all likely that someone >from the Kosice area would meet and
marry someone >from Szabolcs County, which would require going across the
apparently mountainous terrain of Zemplen?"

Realising that it´ll not serve to narrow down the research area, being
myself born and raised in that area in the 1920s, I´d say that it´s not at
all unlikely. Draw a diagonal line fom Kosice through Satoraljaujhely to
Nyiregyhaza. Between these three capitals and between the numerous shtetls
along this diagonal the commercial and (especially Jewish) cultural
contacts were quite close before WWI.
I would think that Jewish people at that time thought of this whole area as
one region regardless the aministrative boundaries (counties). (Maybe in
some regards even stretching westwards to including Miskolc and
northeastwards to the Ungvar-Munkacs area)

Then You have to consider the institution of Shadchen (I'm sorry I don't
know the right term in English) that was very common and widespread in that
area at the time period in question.

HTH

Jeno Kohn


Looking for Tom GRUNSTEIN #hungary

FbandJd@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Paul Linhardt, a member of h-sig, has a family page on Jewishgen that includes the BREUER and FISCHMANN families. January 15, 2003 he was contacted by a Tom GRUNSTEIN who has information on several families >from Nyirbator, Hungary.My great-grandmother was Regina GRUNSTEIN wife of Josef BREUER and there might be a connection between both of our GRUNSTEIN families.Since Paul is not answering my inquiry to him, I'm wondering if other members of our group might know how to contact Tom GRUNSTEIN.

Best Regards,
Fran Meng
Walnut Creek, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary re 19th Century Geography #hungary

jek <jek.hbacka@...>
 

Hi.

Just a comment to Sam Schlemans question Mon, 5 Jan 2004
"... is it at all likely that someone >from the Kosice area would meet and
marry someone >from Szabolcs County, which would require going across the
apparently mountainous terrain of Zemplen?"

Realising that it´ll not serve to narrow down the research area, being
myself born and raised in that area in the 1920s, I´d say that it´s not at
all unlikely. Draw a diagonal line fom Kosice through Satoraljaujhely to
Nyiregyhaza. Between these three capitals and between the numerous shtetls
along this diagonal the commercial and (especially Jewish) cultural
contacts were quite close before WWI.
I would think that Jewish people at that time thought of this whole area as
one region regardless the aministrative boundaries (counties). (Maybe in
some regards even stretching westwards to including Miskolc and
northeastwards to the Ungvar-Munkacs area)

Then You have to consider the institution of Shadchen (I'm sorry I don't
know the right term in English) that was very common and widespread in that
area at the time period in question.

HTH

Jeno Kohn


Hungary SIG #Hungary Looking for Tom GRUNSTEIN #hungary

FbandJd@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Paul Linhardt, a member of h-sig, has a family page on Jewishgen that includes the BREUER and FISCHMANN families. January 15, 2003 he was contacted by a Tom GRUNSTEIN who has information on several families >from Nyirbator, Hungary.My great-grandmother was Regina GRUNSTEIN wife of Josef BREUER and there might be a connection between both of our GRUNSTEIN families.Since Paul is not answering my inquiry to him, I'm wondering if other members of our group might know how to contact Tom GRUNSTEIN.

Best Regards,
Fran Meng
Walnut Creek, CA


Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

GilaMiriam Chait <gilamiriamchait@...>
 

Yes, Rezi is short for Therese, Theresa or Terez.

--- ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > I
had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the

family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi
about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo. com


Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Yes, it can be, although "Rezsi" is probably the correct spelling. (I have one on my family tree)

Attila Rona


Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

Yes, Rezi is a nickname for Therese. Very common among Jewish girls of the
1800s because it was in honor of the Empress Maria-Theresa who Jews thought
was a great benefactor. She was anti-Semitic but did grant Jews more
freedom than they had experienced before.

I am very interested in hearing any individual family stories about the
feelings of families (and the girls named Rezi) about why they were named
for Maria-Theresa. Please email me privately if you have such stories.

Thanks.
Lynn Saul
lynnsaul@theriver.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "ilona lerman" <phililona2001@yahoo.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: re:[h-sig] nickname for Therese


I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo. com


Hungary SIG #Hungary re:nickname for Therese #hungary

GilaMiriam Chait <gilamiriamchait@...>
 

Yes, Rezi is short for Therese, Theresa or Terez.

--- ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > I
had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the

family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi
about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo. com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: nickname for Therese #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Yes, it can be, although "Rezsi" is probably the correct spelling. (I have one on my family tree)

Attila Rona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: re:nickname for Therese #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

Yes, Rezi is a nickname for Therese. Very common among Jewish girls of the
1800s because it was in honor of the Empress Maria-Theresa who Jews thought
was a great benefactor. She was anti-Semitic but did grant Jews more
freedom than they had experienced before.

I am very interested in hearing any individual family stories about the
feelings of families (and the girls named Rezi) about why they were named
for Maria-Theresa. Please email me privately if you have such stories.

Thanks.
Lynn Saul
lynnsaul@theriver.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "ilona lerman" <phililona2001@yahoo.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: re:[h-sig] nickname for Therese


I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about
the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or
equivalent to Therese?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo. com