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Re: nickname for Therese
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Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
Ilona Lerman posted as follows:
"I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or equivalent to Therese?" Indeed, the secular name Rezi/Resi is a nickname used in Hungary for the Hungarian secular name Terezia. The Hungarian name Terezia corresponds to the German secular name Therese. Both of these names, Terezia and Therese, were popular in Hungary. So, the chances are good that Ilona has found her great aunt Therese/Rezi. In fact, a number of other similar linked secular names used in both Germany and Hungary, as well as a wealth of nicknames for these two names, are to be found in the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases for Hungary and Germany, at < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >. A forthcoming update of these two GNDBs will list even more variants. In order to see these names in the data bases, search for the names Therese, Terezia, and Resi using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex or Text search. It is worthwhile remembering that any of these variants could have been used in other archival documents, particularly those >from Hungarian archives where secular names would be more likely to be found, rather than linked Hebrew or Yiddish names. Shavu'a tov Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: nickname for Therese
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Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
Ilona Lerman posted as follows:
"I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi about the time of her birth. Could Rezi be nickname for or equivalent to Therese?" Indeed, the secular name Rezi/Resi is a nickname used in Hungary for the Hungarian secular name Terezia. The Hungarian name Terezia corresponds to the German secular name Therese. Both of these names, Terezia and Therese, were popular in Hungary. So, the chances are good that Ilona has found her great aunt Therese/Rezi. In fact, a number of other similar linked secular names used in both Germany and Hungary, as well as a wealth of nicknames for these two names, are to be found in the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases for Hungary and Germany, at < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >. A forthcoming update of these two GNDBs will list even more variants. In order to see these names in the data bases, search for the names Therese, Terezia, and Resi using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex or Text search. It is worthwhile remembering that any of these variants could have been used in other archival documents, particularly those >from Hungarian archives where secular names would be more likely to be found, rather than linked Hebrew or Yiddish names. Shavu'a tov Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
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Re: Triester Frau restaurant
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BruceKitty@...
I notice that you are researching the name Sonnenschein. Did you perchance
see an American film about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family, which was shown about 2 yrs ago. Kitty Moderator VK: Kitty is no doubt referring to Istvan Szabo's "Sunshine", an epic tale about a Jewish Hungarian family that spans the decades beginning with the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was originally written as a mini-series for German television. Canadian producer Robert Lantos urged Szabo to rewrite the Hungarian-language script into a shorter English-language film.
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Re: Words on Birth Records
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Blrosen@...
Hi Gary,
Beregi (or Berehi) is the name of a small town presently in the Ukraine. It is about 20 miles or so >from Berehovo (or Beregovo) which is near the Ukrainian/Hungarian border. When Beregi was within the Hungarian borders, it was known as NagyBereg. Similarly, Berehovo was known as Beregszasz. I visited these 2 towns in 1998 with a group of Genners because my grandmother was >from Beregi. There, in the cemetery in Beregi, I discovered the gravestones of my grandmother's siblings, my ggfather and my gggfather !! What a thrill !! Betty Rosen Boulder, CO
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Triester Frau restaurant
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BruceKitty@...
I notice that you are researching the name Sonnenschein. Did you perchance
see an American film about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family, which was shown about 2 yrs ago. Kitty Moderator VK: Kitty is no doubt referring to Istvan Szabo's "Sunshine", an epic tale about a Jewish Hungarian family that spans the decades beginning with the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was originally written as a mini-series for German television. Canadian producer Robert Lantos urged Szabo to rewrite the Hungarian-language script into a shorter English-language film.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Words on Birth Records
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Blrosen@...
Hi Gary,
Beregi (or Berehi) is the name of a small town presently in the Ukraine. It is about 20 miles or so >from Berehovo (or Beregovo) which is near the Ukrainian/Hungarian border. When Beregi was within the Hungarian borders, it was known as NagyBereg. Similarly, Berehovo was known as Beregszasz. I visited these 2 towns in 1998 with a group of Genners because my grandmother was >from Beregi. There, in the cemetery in Beregi, I discovered the gravestones of my grandmother's siblings, my ggfather and my gggfather !! What a thrill !! Betty Rosen Boulder, CO
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Re: *re: Name change--research tool
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Robert Neu
Just to repeat what I indicated before it is a "Microfiche", and not a
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microfilm. What it means is that if the local branch of FHL does not have it, they can order it for a nominal cost (it used to be $ .15) and keep it forever, once they get it. Robert Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote: Hello folks: The Mormons have this book on microfilm number 0897093 Item 2 The book's correct and full title is: Sza'zadunk ne'vva'ltoztata'sai: helytarto'sa'gi e's miniszteri engede'lylyel megva'ltoztatott nevek gyu"jteme'nye, 1800-1893 (Name changes of our century: Collection of names changed with ministerial or local permits - 1800-1893) I would be very much interested in the registers Alex mentions regards Tom
At 00:00 -0600 08.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Name change--research tool
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Re: Triester Frau restaurant
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BruceKitty@...
Try contacting the Hungarian Tourist Board. the Hung. Consulate to offer
you resources to Cultural or Historical sites in Budapest,for this information. Also, try the Mayor's office/Town Hall where there should be census records for places of business as restaurants. Good Luck! Kitty
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: *re: Name change--research tool
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Robert Neu
Just to repeat what I indicated before it is a "Microfiche", and not a
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
microfilm. What it means is that if the local branch of FHL does not have it, they can order it for a nominal cost (it used to be $ .15) and keep it forever, once they get it. Robert Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote: Hello folks: The Mormons have this book on microfilm number 0897093 Item 2 The book's correct and full title is: Sza'zadunk ne'vva'ltoztata'sai: helytarto'sa'gi e's miniszteri engede'lylyel megva'ltoztatott nevek gyu"jteme'nye, 1800-1893 (Name changes of our century: Collection of names changed with ministerial or local permits - 1800-1893) I would be very much interested in the registers Alex mentions regards Tom
At 00:00 -0600 08.01.04, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Name change--research tool
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Triester Frau restaurant
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BruceKitty@...
Try contacting the Hungarian Tourist Board. the Hung. Consulate to offer
you resources to Cultural or Historical sites in Budapest,for this information. Also, try the Mayor's office/Town Hall where there should be census records for places of business as restaurants. Good Luck! Kitty
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re 19th Century Geography
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jek <jek.hbacka@...>
Hi.
Just a comment to Sam Schlemans question Mon, 5 Jan 2004 "... is it at all likely that someone >from the Kosice area would meet and marry someone >from Szabolcs County, which would require going across the apparently mountainous terrain of Zemplen?" Realising that it´ll not serve to narrow down the research area, being myself born and raised in that area in the 1920s, I´d say that it´s not at all unlikely. Draw a diagonal line fom Kosice through Satoraljaujhely to Nyiregyhaza. Between these three capitals and between the numerous shtetls along this diagonal the commercial and (especially Jewish) cultural contacts were quite close before WWI. I would think that Jewish people at that time thought of this whole area as one region regardless the aministrative boundaries (counties). (Maybe in some regards even stretching westwards to including Miskolc and northeastwards to the Ungvar-Munkacs area) Then You have to consider the institution of Shadchen (I'm sorry I don't know the right term in English) that was very common and widespread in that area at the time period in question. HTH Jeno Kohn
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Looking for Tom GRUNSTEIN
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FbandJd@...
Dear Fellow Researchers,
Paul Linhardt, a member of h-sig, has a family page on Jewishgen that includes the BREUER and FISCHMANN families. January 15, 2003 he was contacted by a Tom GRUNSTEIN who has information on several families >from Nyirbator, Hungary.My great-grandmother was Regina GRUNSTEIN wife of Josef BREUER and there might be a connection between both of our GRUNSTEIN families.Since Paul is not answering my inquiry to him, I'm wondering if other members of our group might know how to contact Tom GRUNSTEIN. Best Regards, Fran Meng Walnut Creek, CA
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Hungary SIG #Hungary re 19th Century Geography
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jek <jek.hbacka@...>
Hi.
Just a comment to Sam Schlemans question Mon, 5 Jan 2004 "... is it at all likely that someone >from the Kosice area would meet and marry someone >from Szabolcs County, which would require going across the apparently mountainous terrain of Zemplen?" Realising that it´ll not serve to narrow down the research area, being myself born and raised in that area in the 1920s, I´d say that it´s not at all unlikely. Draw a diagonal line fom Kosice through Satoraljaujhely to Nyiregyhaza. Between these three capitals and between the numerous shtetls along this diagonal the commercial and (especially Jewish) cultural contacts were quite close before WWI. I would think that Jewish people at that time thought of this whole area as one region regardless the aministrative boundaries (counties). (Maybe in some regards even stretching westwards to including Miskolc and northeastwards to the Ungvar-Munkacs area) Then You have to consider the institution of Shadchen (I'm sorry I don't know the right term in English) that was very common and widespread in that area at the time period in question. HTH Jeno Kohn
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Looking for Tom GRUNSTEIN
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FbandJd@...
Dear Fellow Researchers,
Paul Linhardt, a member of h-sig, has a family page on Jewishgen that includes the BREUER and FISCHMANN families. January 15, 2003 he was contacted by a Tom GRUNSTEIN who has information on several families >from Nyirbator, Hungary.My great-grandmother was Regina GRUNSTEIN wife of Josef BREUER and there might be a connection between both of our GRUNSTEIN families.Since Paul is not answering my inquiry to him, I'm wondering if other members of our group might know how to contact Tom GRUNSTEIN. Best Regards, Fran Meng Walnut Creek, CA
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Re: nickname for Therese
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GilaMiriam Chait <gilamiriamchait@...>
Yes, Rezi is short for Therese, Theresa or Terez.
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--- ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi
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Re: nickname for Therese
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AttilaRona@...
Yes, it can be, although "Rezsi" is probably the correct spelling. (I have one on my family tree)
Attila Rona
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Re: nickname for Therese
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Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
Yes, Rezi is a nickname for Therese. Very common among Jewish girls of the
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1800s because it was in honor of the Empress Maria-Theresa who Jews thought was a great benefactor. She was anti-Semitic but did grant Jews more freedom than they had experienced before. I am very interested in hearing any individual family stories about the feelings of families (and the girls named Rezi) about why they were named for Maria-Theresa. Please email me privately if you have such stories. Thanks. Lynn Saul lynnsaul@theriver.com
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From: "ilona lerman" <phililona2001@yahoo.com> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: re:[h-sig] nickname for Therese I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
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Hungary SIG #Hungary re:nickname for Therese
#hungary
GilaMiriam Chait <gilamiriamchait@...>
Yes, Rezi is short for Therese, Theresa or Terez.
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--- ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
family records >from Kis-Tata someone named Rezi
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: nickname for Therese
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AttilaRona@...
Yes, it can be, although "Rezsi" is probably the correct spelling. (I have one on my family tree)
Attila Rona
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: re:nickname for Therese
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Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
Yes, Rezi is a nickname for Therese. Very common among Jewish girls of the
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
1800s because it was in honor of the Empress Maria-Theresa who Jews thought was a great benefactor. She was anti-Semitic but did grant Jews more freedom than they had experienced before. I am very interested in hearing any individual family stories about the feelings of families (and the girls named Rezi) about why they were named for Maria-Theresa. Please email me privately if you have such stories. Thanks. Lynn Saul lynnsaul@theriver.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ilona lerman" <phililona2001@yahoo.com> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: re:[h-sig] nickname for Therese I had a great aunt named Therese. I found on the
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