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town name - Jalsvilgrad??? #ukraine

TaxTroll@...
 

I have a ship's manifest that shows several ancestors having been born and residing
in Jalsvilgrad. Does anyone recognize this name? Based on other (conflicting)
information I have, it could be near Kiev, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus. I tried
shtetlseeker but no luck. Thanks for any help.

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine town name - Jalsvilgrad??? #ukraine

TaxTroll@...
 

I have a ship's manifest that shows several ancestors having been born and residing
in Jalsvilgrad. Does anyone recognize this name? Based on other (conflicting)
information I have, it could be near Kiev, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus. I tried
shtetlseeker but no luck. Thanks for any help.

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA


Re: Name KATZ as acronym? #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Lilli:

In many cases, yes, KATZ is an acronym of KAhan TZaddik. There are
probably other acronyms, but that's the standard version.

But, who knows--someone may actually have been named for a cat! Also,
there are plenty of places in German-speaking countries with names that
begin with those letters. KATZENELLENBOGEN (literally, cat's elbow!) is
but one of them.

My g-g-grandmother Bella KATZENSTEIN appears in some records as Bella
KATZ. (In fact, her name seems to have gone back and forth between the
two.)

How to look for her? Same as ever: work backwards and forwards, using
any available clues of who, where, when. Assume nothing, ignore
spelling variants (unless they're very odd and get repeated). Check
on-line information. A truncation >from KATZxxxx to KATZ could have
happened at any time--including very long ago.

All the best,

Roger

Lilli Sprintz wrote:


I'm sure this has been answered here before, but I've heard that the
name KATZ is actually an acronym.

My paternal grandmother was a Katz >from Russia.

What would the name mean, first, and any recommendations for how to go
looking for her? She was first generation over >from her family, early
1900's.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name KATZ as acronym? #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Lilli:

In many cases, yes, KATZ is an acronym of KAhan TZaddik. There are
probably other acronyms, but that's the standard version.

But, who knows--someone may actually have been named for a cat! Also,
there are plenty of places in German-speaking countries with names that
begin with those letters. KATZENELLENBOGEN (literally, cat's elbow!) is
but one of them.

My g-g-grandmother Bella KATZENSTEIN appears in some records as Bella
KATZ. (In fact, her name seems to have gone back and forth between the
two.)

How to look for her? Same as ever: work backwards and forwards, using
any available clues of who, where, when. Assume nothing, ignore
spelling variants (unless they're very odd and get repeated). Check
on-line information. A truncation >from KATZxxxx to KATZ could have
happened at any time--including very long ago.

All the best,

Roger

Lilli Sprintz wrote:


I'm sure this has been answered here before, but I've heard that the
name KATZ is actually an acronym.

My paternal grandmother was a Katz >from Russia.

What would the name mean, first, and any recommendations for how to go
looking for her? She was first generation over >from her family, early
1900's.


Re: Naturalization Question? #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

During the depression, one of the things that the WPA hired people to do
was to collect all the early naturalizations for each county together at the
county hall and make a name index of them. This would make it easier for
the Social Security Administration (which was new then) to find out
whatever information was available.
If Sam Cohen said he was 63 in 1938 so he could retire in just a couple years,
his naturalization papers, >from 1902 or whenever, might show him as being
20-meaning he would be 56 not 63. Ha Ha, shame on Sam.

Only in a case like NYC, where the records would cover many counties and a
few states were the records collected at NARA.

This information came >from the woman at the Erie County, NY courthouse who
had charge of the index.

And since the forms were written in bound books, any paper that was filed
would still be there, unless the book itself were lost. The Mormons had by
then (the 1970's) been through the records at county hall, so all of the
index and the books are available at your local FHL (at least for Erie
County and I assume most other counties in the US).

Unfortunately, however, both ages were probably guesses. And nobody would
have known the truth without checking in Europe which wasn't possible.

However, the census-takers checked nothing. If Sam said he was a citizen,
but he hadn't understood the question and wasn't, the census would be
wrong.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization Question? #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

During the depression, one of the things that the WPA hired people to do
was to collect all the early naturalizations for each county together at the
county hall and make a name index of them. This would make it easier for
the Social Security Administration (which was new then) to find out
whatever information was available.
If Sam Cohen said he was 63 in 1938 so he could retire in just a couple years,
his naturalization papers, >from 1902 or whenever, might show him as being
20-meaning he would be 56 not 63. Ha Ha, shame on Sam.

Only in a case like NYC, where the records would cover many counties and a
few states were the records collected at NARA.

This information came >from the woman at the Erie County, NY courthouse who
had charge of the index.

And since the forms were written in bound books, any paper that was filed
would still be there, unless the book itself were lost. The Mormons had by
then (the 1970's) been through the records at county hall, so all of the
index and the books are available at your local FHL (at least for Erie
County and I assume most other counties in the US).

Unfortunately, however, both ages were probably guesses. And nobody would
have known the truth without checking in Europe which wasn't possible.

However, the census-takers checked nothing. If Sam said he was a citizen,
but he hadn't understood the question and wasn't, the census would be
wrong.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Re: The Yiddish word SCHVITZ - synopsis #general

tony <kafetz@...>
 

I think the word Schvitz has become used as Sweat in modern! Yiddish.
Even yinglish hence"He was really Schvitzing himself.

Regards
Tony Kafetz UK

Looking for KAFEZ and PINSKER USA Anywhere


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Yiddish word SCHVITZ - synopsis #general

tony <kafetz@...>
 

I think the word Schvitz has become used as Sweat in modern! Yiddish.
Even yinglish hence"He was really Schvitzing himself.

Regards
Tony Kafetz UK

Looking for KAFEZ and PINSKER USA Anywhere


Great Appreciation (my query: An important certificate/Knowledge help needed) #general

Rachel <rahel_ia@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I would like to thank all of you that helpd me with so much care.
all of you are blessed with Jewish warm, open heart.

As Rabbi Akiva instruct in his Mishna: ( doctrine) " Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Sincerely kindly,
Rachel Asherovitz (Israel)
rahel_ia@bezeqint.net


Enquires for:
RACHMAN/RICHMAN/RICHMOND/ RILL/REAL >from Ukraine (Zhitomir,Uman)
WOLLACH/WALACH/WOLLOCH >from Lipkany Moldova (Bessarabia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Great Appreciation (my query: An important certificate/Knowledge help needed) #general

Rachel <rahel_ia@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I would like to thank all of you that helpd me with so much care.
all of you are blessed with Jewish warm, open heart.

As Rabbi Akiva instruct in his Mishna: ( doctrine) " Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Sincerely kindly,
Rachel Asherovitz (Israel)
rahel_ia@bezeqint.net


Enquires for:
RACHMAN/RICHMAN/RICHMOND/ RILL/REAL >from Ukraine (Zhitomir,Uman)
WOLLACH/WALACH/WOLLOCH >from Lipkany Moldova (Bessarabia)


Request for Hebrew Translation #general

Mitch Stone <mitch@...>
 

First, I wanted to thank everyone who helped me with my question about
the family surname HOYT. I was not able to respond to each one, but I
certainly appreciated all of the generous assistance.

I have still not entirely solved the mystery of HOYT, though it does
appear to be a variation on a legitimate if somewhat unusual Yiddish
occupational name (GOYT, GOJT, GOJTMAN, etc.), and not made up as I'd
previously suspected. Apparently, some other variation of the name was
used on the immigration ledgers, and to date I've had no luck
determining what it was despite testing many, many different spellings.

However, in the course of following up leads provided by other
Jewishgenners, I found a listing of burial records for some of my
family members in a synagogue cemetery near Newburgh, NY. Included was
a photo of one headstone (>from a previously unknown member of the
family). It is entirely in Hebrew, which I hope someone will help me
translate and >from which, perhaps determine what surname this family
used before they arrived in the US. The file is available at:

http://idisk.mac.com/mitchstone/Public/hoyt_headstone.jpg

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance,


Mitch Stone
Researching: BREITSTEIN, BRAZINSKY, GUTERMAN/GOODMAN,
KESSLER, SEROTA, SANDERS, PERETZ, HOYT,
SIMON


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Request for Hebrew Translation #general

Mitch Stone <mitch@...>
 

First, I wanted to thank everyone who helped me with my question about
the family surname HOYT. I was not able to respond to each one, but I
certainly appreciated all of the generous assistance.

I have still not entirely solved the mystery of HOYT, though it does
appear to be a variation on a legitimate if somewhat unusual Yiddish
occupational name (GOYT, GOJT, GOJTMAN, etc.), and not made up as I'd
previously suspected. Apparently, some other variation of the name was
used on the immigration ledgers, and to date I've had no luck
determining what it was despite testing many, many different spellings.

However, in the course of following up leads provided by other
Jewishgenners, I found a listing of burial records for some of my
family members in a synagogue cemetery near Newburgh, NY. Included was
a photo of one headstone (>from a previously unknown member of the
family). It is entirely in Hebrew, which I hope someone will help me
translate and >from which, perhaps determine what surname this family
used before they arrived in the US. The file is available at:

http://idisk.mac.com/mitchstone/Public/hoyt_headstone.jpg

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance,


Mitch Stone
Researching: BREITSTEIN, BRAZINSKY, GUTERMAN/GOODMAN,
KESSLER, SEROTA, SANDERS, PERETZ, HOYT,
SIMON


NISSIM /REVAH families, Kavala and Thessaloniki, Greece? #general

Rudy Nadler-Nir <rudyn@...>
 

I am looking for information on the NISSIM /REVAH families,
Kavala (Cavalla), and Thessaloniki (Saloniki, Salonika) Greece.

1. My maternal grandmother was Clara NiSSIM, her family
originated in Kavala (aka Cavalla) and some settled also in Thessaloniki.
She also had an uncle named (I believe) Abram BENRUBI

2. Clara's father was Salomon NISSIM and her mother was Luna (ne?)

3. Clara had four sisters: Ida, Estella, Rachel and Elivra

4. Clara married my grandfather, Shemtov (Chemtov, Semtov) REVAH >from
Thessaloniki. They settled in Mons, Belgium, where they had five children -
one of them, Linette, is my mother, who is now 81 and lives in Israel.

5. Clara NISSIM (Revah) died in Mons in 1930-31

6. My grandfather, Shemtov Revah, had a younger brother named Albert.

7. Their dad wad Yeshua Revah and their mother - Ester SOUSTIEL. Both >from
Thessaloniki.

8. Shemtov REVAH died in Israel in 1961.

Does any of these names ring a bell? Can you help me with information?

Thank you for your assistance, and my best wishes

Rudy
________

Rudy Nadler-Nir
Cape Town, South Africa
rudyn@eclectic.co.za

NISSIM /REVAH families, Kavala and Thessaloniki


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NISSIM /REVAH families, Kavala and Thessaloniki, Greece? #general

Rudy Nadler-Nir <rudyn@...>
 

I am looking for information on the NISSIM /REVAH families,
Kavala (Cavalla), and Thessaloniki (Saloniki, Salonika) Greece.

1. My maternal grandmother was Clara NiSSIM, her family
originated in Kavala (aka Cavalla) and some settled also in Thessaloniki.
She also had an uncle named (I believe) Abram BENRUBI

2. Clara's father was Salomon NISSIM and her mother was Luna (ne?)

3. Clara had four sisters: Ida, Estella, Rachel and Elivra

4. Clara married my grandfather, Shemtov (Chemtov, Semtov) REVAH >from
Thessaloniki. They settled in Mons, Belgium, where they had five children -
one of them, Linette, is my mother, who is now 81 and lives in Israel.

5. Clara NISSIM (Revah) died in Mons in 1930-31

6. My grandfather, Shemtov Revah, had a younger brother named Albert.

7. Their dad wad Yeshua Revah and their mother - Ester SOUSTIEL. Both >from
Thessaloniki.

8. Shemtov REVAH died in Israel in 1961.

Does any of these names ring a bell? Can you help me with information?

Thank you for your assistance, and my best wishes

Rudy
________

Rudy Nadler-Nir
Cape Town, South Africa
rudyn@eclectic.co.za

NISSIM /REVAH families, Kavala and Thessaloniki


California marriage license #general

jutel@...
 

My great grandparents' california marriage license (1912)
carries the words "filed for record at request of" followed
by the name of an individual whose name comes up later as
being the husband of a cousin - a relatively remote
relative. Who would normally make this kind of request?
what is the significance of this individual in the marriage
process?

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen California marriage license #general

jutel@...
 

My great grandparents' california marriage license (1912)
carries the words "filed for record at request of" followed
by the name of an individual whose name comes up later as
being the husband of a cousin - a relatively remote
relative. Who would normally make this kind of request?
what is the significance of this individual in the marriage
process?

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ


NADLER / WINKLER from Bucharest, Romania? #general

Rudy Nadler-Nir <rudyn@...>
 

I am looking for information on NADLER / WINKLER >from Bucharest,
Romania.

1. My Grandmother, Blanche NADLER (ne WINKLER / VINKLER) one
of three or four sisters (one of whom was named Aida or Ida). She also
had a brother named Manole who immigrated to the USA in the 1930s.

2. Blanche NADLER lived in Bucharest, and married my grandfather Rudy
NADLER (after whom I am named!)

3. Rudy (Rudolph?) came >from Bucharest, I believe. He died
(killed while trying to cross the Rumanian border in the
1930's) and I know very little of him.

4. Blanche and Rudy had only one son - my late father Joseph.

5. Both Blanche and Joseph immigrated to Israel in 1950.

6. Dad died in 1978 and Granny died in 1980.

Does this ring a bell?

All my best wishes

Rudy Nadler-Nir
rudyn@eclectic.co.za
http://eclectic.co.za


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NADLER / WINKLER from Bucharest, Romania? #general

Rudy Nadler-Nir <rudyn@...>
 

I am looking for information on NADLER / WINKLER >from Bucharest,
Romania.

1. My Grandmother, Blanche NADLER (ne WINKLER / VINKLER) one
of three or four sisters (one of whom was named Aida or Ida). She also
had a brother named Manole who immigrated to the USA in the 1930s.

2. Blanche NADLER lived in Bucharest, and married my grandfather Rudy
NADLER (after whom I am named!)

3. Rudy (Rudolph?) came >from Bucharest, I believe. He died
(killed while trying to cross the Rumanian border in the
1930's) and I know very little of him.

4. Blanche and Rudy had only one son - my late father Joseph.

5. Both Blanche and Joseph immigrated to Israel in 1950.

6. Dad died in 1978 and Granny died in 1980.

Does this ring a bell?

All my best wishes

Rudy Nadler-Nir
rudyn@eclectic.co.za
http://eclectic.co.za


Jewtown #general

Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman <ravbenzi@...>
 

I am looking for information about the Frankford section of Port Richmond,
Philadelphia, commonly known as Jewtown or New Jerusalem.

Specifically, information about the Frankford Woolen Mill, the movie houses
and any other businesses owned by the SATINSKY and WERNER families.

Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman
California

MAYPER, MELTSNER, WERNER, RAPHAEL, ROMM, SATINSKY, BAYER, NEVIAZHSKY,
CHIPKIN, NEWMAN
Rumsiskes, New York, Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewtown #general

Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman <ravbenzi@...>
 

I am looking for information about the Frankford section of Port Richmond,
Philadelphia, commonly known as Jewtown or New Jerusalem.

Specifically, information about the Frankford Woolen Mill, the movie houses
and any other businesses owned by the SATINSKY and WERNER families.

Rabbi Ben-Zion Saydman
California

MAYPER, MELTSNER, WERNER, RAPHAEL, ROMM, SATINSKY, BAYER, NEVIAZHSKY,
CHIPKIN, NEWMAN
Rumsiskes, New York, Philadelphia