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Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM88443

This is a birth certificate, not a death certificate.

 In Russian:

#33

Пултуск

Состоялось в городе Пултуск 26-го февраля (10-го марта) 1897 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился лично житель города Пултуска Сруль Домб, 40 лет, кузнец,  и в присутствии свидетелей-торговцев: Шии-Лейбы Голдмахера, 33-х лет и Боруха Розенблюма, 66-и лет, жителей города Пултуск и преявили нам мальчика, объявляя что он родился в городе Пултуск 19 февраля (3-го Марта) сего года  в 7 часов утра, от его жены Хаи-Бейли, урожденной Висня, 40 лет.  Мальчику этому при обрезании было дано имя Абрам.  Акт сей объявляющему и свидетелям прочитан и ими и нами подписан.  Отец младенца неграмотен.

Л. Голдмахер

Борух Розенблюм

Чиновник гражданского состояния, президент города Пултуска        Подпись

Translated into English:

# 33

 

Pultusk

 

It took place in the city of Pultusk on February 26 (March 10), 1897 at 10 am. A resident of the city of Pultusk, Srul Domb, 40 years old, a blacksmith, personally appeared, and in the presence of witnesses-traders: Shiya-Leiba Goldmacher, 33 years old and Borukh Rosenblum, 66 years old, residents of the city of Pultusk, and showed us a boy, announcing that he was born in the city of Pultusk on February 19 (March 3) of this year at 7 o'clock in the morning, from his wife Chaya-Bailya, nee Visnya, 40 years old. This boy was given the name Abram during circumcision. This act was read to the announcer and to the witnesses, and they and us signed. The baby's father is illiterate.

L. Goldmacher

Boruch Rosenblum

Civil Status Official, President of Pultusk City Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL


Re: Chust and Csorna -Jewish records #hungary

Shlomo Katz
 

Are you referring to the famous rabbinical family, that included rabbis of those towns?

If so, I have several books about members of the family. I also have a cousin who is married into that family (but no official records). 

You are welcome to contact me.

Shlomo Katz shlomodkatz@...


Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM88442

In Russian:

 

А28

Пултуск

Состоялось в городе Пултуск 31-го декабря 1912 года в 11 часов утра.  Явился лично равин Пултуского религиозного округа Хаим Кауфман Отерман и в присутствии свидетелей-учителей: Цви-Лейбы Голдмахера, 48-и лет и Мошки Директора 72-х лет, жителей города Пултуск и объявили вместе со свидетелями, что вчера, в 11 часов ночи, был заключен религиозный брачный союз между присутствующими: Гдалью Зилберманом, холостым, 18-и лет, сыном Зелика и Хаи, урожденной Зильберман, супругов Зильберман, родившимся и живущим в посаде Вышков с родителями и Рашкой Домб, девицей, 18-и лет, дочерью Сруля и Хаи-Бейли, урожденной Висня, супругов Домб, родившейся и живущей с родителями в городе Пултуск.  Браку этому предшествовали троекратные оглашения в синагогах: в Вышковской - 3-го, 10-го и 12-го ноября сего года, а также в Пултуской синагоге, 24-го ноября, 1-го и 7-го декабря сего года, как об этом удостоверяют приложенные свидетельства.  Дозволение присутстствующих лично при заключении брака и сего акта, отцов новобрачных, заявлено словесно.  Новобрачные заявили, что предбрачный договор между ними заключен не был.  Акт сей по прочтении равином новобрачным и свидетелям, ими и нами подписан.  Отцы новобрачных неграмотны.

Равин Х.К. Отерман 

Л. Голдмахер

М. Директор

Гедала Зильберман,  Рашка Домб

Чиновник гражданского состояния города Пултуска        Подпись

 

Translated into English:

A28

 

Pultusk

 

It took place in the city of Pultusk on December 31, 1912 at 11 a.m. The rabbi of the Pultu religious district, Haim Kaufman Oterman, appeared in person and in the presence of witnesses-teachers: Zvi-Leiba Goldmacher, 48 years old, and Moshka Director, 72 years old, residents of the city of Pultusk and announced together with witnesses that yesterday, at 11 o'clock a religious marriage union was concluded between those present: Gdalya Zilberman, single, 18 years old, the son of Zelik and Chaya, nee Zilberman, the Zilberman spouses, who was born and lives in the settlement of Vyshkov with his parents and Rashka Domb, a maiden, 18 years old, daughter of Srul and Chaya-Bailya, née Visnya, the Domb spouses, who was born and lives with her parents in Pultusk. This marriage was preceded by three readings in synagogues: in Vyshkovskaya - on November 3, 10 and 12 this year, as well as in Pultu synagogue, on November 24, December 1 and 7 this year, as about This is confirmed by the attached certificates. The permission of those present personally at the conclusion of marriage and this act, the fathers of the newlyweds, is declared verbally. The newlyweds said that the prenuptial agreement was not concluded between them. This act, upon reading by the rabbi to newlyweds and witnesses, was signed by them and by us. Newlywed fathers are illiterate.

Rabbi H.K. Oterman

L. Goldmacher

M. Director

Gedala Zilberman, Raska Domb

Official of the civil status of the city of Pultusk Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach


Re: Reclaim The Records is going after EVERY SINGLE DIGITIZED RECORD at the New York City Municipal Archives, to put them all online, for free public use #usa #records

jonathanod@...
 

This is so great! Will the lawsuit against the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene also seek to recover the New York City death index books through 1986 that were confiscated from the New York Public Library in the dead of night? I hope so! And thanks for all you do!

Jonathan O'Donnell
New York, New York


Re: Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jack de Lowe
 

RE: https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/topic/77831414

 

Regarding the concerns expressed by Bill Katz (see the above link) about of the LDS Church and their pernicious interest in Jews (especially dead Jews), this is a very long story of broken promises by the Mormons (see: https://www.jta.org/2008/11/13/united-states/survivors-say-mormons-reneging-on-1995-baptism-pledge). The LDS Church collects every record they can find on Jewish genealogy from around the world and they make this information available to all without charge and encourage people to add information to the Jewish family trees they have.

 

Ernest Michel was my cousin, an Auschwitz survivor, the former professional director of the Jewish Federation of Manhattan (the largest Federation in the United States) and the founder and head of the Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors. While working on his own family tree, he discovered that the Mormon Church had posthumously converted his own parents who were both murdered during the Shoah. He met on more than one occasion with the then head of the LDS Church and received very explicit promises to not only cease this practice, but to also correct any and all such changes that the LDS Church had done. The LDS Church did not follow through on any of these promises and to this day, continue with this disgusting practice. They have never made clear why they do this, but they seem to have an abnormal interest in Jews and one can only speculate where this interest has led them.

 

I would urge all Jewish genealogists to refrain from accessing all websites associated with the LDS Church and to not provide them with any information on your family trees.

 

Jack de Lowe

Pardes Hanna-Karkur, Israel

 

 

 


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

I am surprised that no one has responded to this statement by one of the people posting in this thread:
 A number of posters have written about "putting their family tree on Geni".  With no disrespect, I believe that's a nonsense, a contradiction in terms.  Geni does not admit of posting one's own family tree: as others have pointed out, its entire driving force is that it is a collaborative website, and in my experience uploading an individual tree, for instance via Gedcom, does not work and was never designed to work.  
I posted my own family tree on Geni several years ago and it is still there.  It is not “a nonsense” to speak of putting one’s family tree on Geni.  Indeed, many of us have done so.
Jeffrey Herrmann
London, UK


Re: Yiddish Translation of words "Hurmna/Hoyroeh"

yitschok@...
 

Rabbinical ordination. 
--
Yitschok Margareten


Re: Announcing the Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection #announcements #JewishGenUpdates #sephardic

David
 

<<< Anyone you know have Spanish/Portuguese Jewish background? >>>

Many of us do, and once that is determined it seems that everyone who does have this ancestry can trace the relationship to each other, often just through one marriage, but usually through two and occasionally need three marriages to make a family connection. (Not based on a scientific or mathematical analysis - just my experience.)

With me it as follows:-

Maternal grandmother's mother's family - paternal family name from there is VIEYRA

Maternal grandmother's father's mother's family - paternal family name from there is JUDA RODRIGUES

They were primarily from Amsterdam, but possibly also from Hamburg. Most came and lived in London during the 19th century, but a few family members came earlier according to Bevis Marks records. This is a typical pattern in many families.

--
David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


Re: The Berthold Rosenthal Collection and communities in the Pfalz #germany

Marc Friedman
 

Many thanks for the reminder of this great collection!

I went back in to the collection (I still need to dig into the Pfalz sections), but in Baden I saw the Obergrombach cemetery collection, which lead me to the date of death for my 4G grandmother - which was just before the surname adoptions in 1809.

Marc Friedman
Irvine, CA

Researching - MAYER (Nierstein, Rheinpfalz); LAUMAN (Spachbruecken, Hesse-Darmstadt); KAHN (Rimbach, Hesse-Darmstadt); PFEIFER (Eberbach, Baden); APFEL (Bretten, Baden)


Re: Geni Family Trees #general

Joyaa Antares
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 04:58 PM, E. Randol Schoenberg wrote:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 05:22 AM, Joyaa Antares wrote:

I have taken a look at the page - thanks. 
[https://www.geni.com/people/MaHaRaL-of-Prague-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%A8-%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%92/6000000002236005169]

I can see that there are 115 managers and one curator.

Why is it that under the "sources" tab, no sources are listed? 

Joyaa please look under the Media tab on the Maharal's profile.  There you will find (on the right side) 18 documents.  Click on "View all" and you will find them, including the most recent scholarship at https://photos.geni.com/p13/5f/b2/30/28/5344484b40a82955/judah_loew_ben_bezalel_called_maharal_original.pdf

You can also view the 8 public Discussion on the profile, including this one.

https://www.geni.com/people/MaHaRaL-of-Prague-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%A8-%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%92/6000000002236005169#/tab/discussion

As I have said, and as I know from my own experience 11 years ago, there is a very steep learning curve for Geni.  There's a lot more to it than you will notice when you first come to it, if you are only looking for things you are familiar with from other websites.

Randy and Other Geni Users,

Randy - thanks for your reply. I asked why no sources are listed under Maharal's profile, and you directed me to the "media" tab, which shows images and documents, including a 57-page pdf, and other items.  Following your directions, I found wonderful material but not really what I was looking for.
For example, the main page claims dates and pages for the Maharal's birth and death:


I'd expect to be able to turn to the sources tab to locate the source for these facts - and I don't mean to be able to open a link to a large pdf (although that's a nice added extra) - but simple one-line reference.   In exactly the same way, if I wanted the source for "love thy neighbour as thyself", I wouldn't expect to be handed the Bible and told to locate where this is written.  Rather, a one line reference, "Leviticus 19:18", and I can then go to the Bible to verify this if I want to.   

Thus, the source for the birth might say:   Putik and Polakovic, "Judah Loewben Bezalel, Called Maharal– A Study on His Genealogy and Biography", in [Book name, editors names, year of publication, ... ] page 50. - according to whatever referencing system that Geni users want to use.  And by all means put the pdf of the entire chapter under "media" copyright allowing.

Obviously, this isn't a standard that one might reasonably expect of every Geni profile, but it's fair to expect this for a profile that is held up a scholarly, and has over 100 "managers" and a curator.

The other link you provided (to discussions) didn't lead to a single discussion but to all of the discussions.  I don't know which discussion you intended me to look at. I couldn't see whether Geni has the facility to direct a reader to a specific discussion.

Re. your comment, "... there is a very steep learning curve for Geni.  There's a lot more to it than you will notice when you first come to it, if you are only looking for things you are familiar with from other websites.".  However, taken in the context of my points, this translates to a lack of intuitiveness and/or transparency.  

Lastly, "115 managers and one curator".  Please can someone explain why this profile has or needs 116 people to look after it.  Is a manager necessarily someone who manages the profile?  Could the term "manager" be misleading? 

Thanks very much, Joyaa ANTARES
Gold Coast, Queensland, AUSTRALIA


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Joyaa Antares
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:13 AM, Peter Lobbenberg wrote:
Now could we please accept that there are two camps, the Geni supporters and the Geni haters, and leave it at that?
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:42 AM, Max Heffler wrote:
This is a “religious” war – much like politics and religion. We have made up our mind about what works for us and nobody will be able to “convert” us

Peter, Max - my respected collegiate friends and fellow researchers,

There are more than two camps and our discussion is more nuanced.  There are those of us whom, whilst we may have been "burnt" by how Geni operates, are willing to ask questions that may lead to Geni being a better tool that may end up suiting more researchers - ourselves included - in the future.

Best regards to you both,

Joyaa ANTARES

Gold Coast, Queensland, AUSTRALIA


Re: Announcing the Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection #announcements #JewishGenUpdates #sephardic

Susan Lauscher
 

Anyone you know have Spanish/Portuguese Jewish background?

Sue

On Monday, November 9, 2020, 7:07:59 PM MST, Avraham Groll <agroll@...> wrote:




Dear JewishGen Community,

We are pleased to announce a partnership between JewishGen.org and Genie Milgrom, resulting in The Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection. 

Up until now it has been extremely difficult for those trying to trace their ancestors dating back to the 14th and 15th centuries during the Inquisition, since  Jews were forced to convert, change their names, and assume Christian identities in order to save themselves from death sentences. Many of these Jews were exiled from Spain and later Portugal and scattered throughout Europe and Latin America.

In order to help the descendants of these “Crypto Jews” research their roots, Genie has spent years scouring the world for any old documents, dissertations, books, and records. In total, she has travelled to Europe and other countries more than 50 times on her quest.

Now, for the first time, all of the information she has compiled will be freely searchable via JewishGen - including extensive background information in both English and Spanish.

We would like to thank Genie Milgrom for her incredible efforts, and for her generosity in contributing this extraordinarily valuable collection to JewishGen. 

The Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection can be searched by clicking here:https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cryptojews/ 


Avraham Groll
Executive Director
JewishGen.org 

 


Hadassah Magazine Article on Heritage Travel #galicia #poland #ukraine

Steven Turner
 

"Hadassah Magazine
was thrilled to prominently feature Gesher Galicia in our brand-new, genealogy-based travel story. Please take a look, thanks!"

https://www.hadassahmagazine.org/2020/11/05/pilgrimage-ancestral-lands/?fbclid=IwAR30xsGKGk04Q4gvE-clfeANcNaSpgwDbuNZqcYHiplNWtGyb3lFN7MFahU

So proud to be featured in this fine publication. There are a few minor errors but an excellent writeup nevertheless.

Steven Turner
President, Gesher Galicia


Announcing the Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection #announcements #JewishGenUpdates #sephardic

Avraham Groll
 



Dear JewishGen Community,

We are pleased to announce a partnership between JewishGen.org and Genie Milgrom, resulting in The Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection. 

Up until now it has been extremely difficult for those trying to trace their ancestors dating back to the 14th and 15th centuries during the Inquisition, since  Jews were forced to convert, change their names, and assume Christian identities in order to save themselves from death sentences. Many of these Jews were exiled from Spain and later Portugal and scattered throughout Europe and Latin America.

In order to help the descendants of these “Crypto Jews” research their roots, Genie has spent years scouring the world for any old documents, dissertations, books, and records. In total, she has travelled to Europe and other countries more than 50 times on her quest.

Now, for the first time, all of the information she has compiled will be freely searchable via JewishGen - including extensive background information in both English and Spanish.

We would like to thank Genie Milgrom for her incredible efforts, and for her generosity in contributing this extraordinarily valuable collection to JewishGen. 

The Genie Milgrom Crypto Jewish Collection can be searched by clicking here:https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cryptojews/ 


Avraham Groll
Executive Director
JewishGen.org 

 


Yiddish Translation of words "Hurmna/Hoyroeh"

Andrea Tzadik
 

I had my Great Great Grandfather's letters translated from Yiddsih to English.
In one letter he said his Grandson, who was also a Rabbi, went to Stanislow
to the Rabbi and to take out a "Hurmna/Hoyroeh".
Does anyone know the meaning of these words?
Andrea Tzadik


Re: Reclaim The Records is going after EVERY SINGLE DIGITIZED RECORD at the New York City Municipal Archives, to put them all online, for free public use #usa #records

Asparagirl
 

Jeff Gee wrote last week:
"That's wonderful news! I hope your FOIL extends to those people at the NYC Health Department, Vital Recordssection.  They have been so difficult to deal with."

Hi Jeff,

I'm happy to report that Reclaim the Records also has a different long-running lawsuit (filed in April 2019) in progress against the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and a few other related city agencies and officials. You are correct, they are truly one of the worst local or state government agencies to deal with when it comes to records access. Even just getting copies of very old death certificates from them, even for your own family members, even if you correctly submit all your documentation, is often a nightmare, not to mention slow. It's completely ridiculous.

So I thought you, and other people on this listserve, might want to read (or re-read) what's been going on with that lawsuit.
 
In that April 2019 lawsuit, we're asking the City for the first-ever public copies of ALL New York City death certificates for the years 1949-1968. That's about 1.6 million records altogether, and all of them would be open to the public if the deaths had occurred anywhere else in New York State outside the City limits. That's because the City and the State have different Departments of Health, with different rules about records access embargo timelines. But we're basically arguing that a City agency rule, even from an agency that has been granted an unusual amount of autonomy, cannot be more restrictive than an actual New York State law passed by the state legislature, such as the New York State Freedom of Information Law (FOIL).
 
The population of New York City was about 25% Jewish during these mid-twentieth-century years, and so we think the percentage of Jewish deaths among this collection is probably close to that, so that's about 400,000 records. And most death records have multiple names on them, of course: the deceased person, the spouse if they were married, the father's name (if known), the mother's name and maiden name (if known), and the informant (often a relative). So that's probably over a million names, if you index all of them. That would make this records collection, if we win it, one of the largest totally free Jewish-American historical resources in the world.
 
The same lawsuit is also seeking the nullification of recently-enacted NYC Department of Health records access rules, because I guess the Department decided they didn't suck enough already and so they recently made their agency's records embargo periods even worse, now up to seventy-five years for public access to death certificates, and one hundred and twenty-five years for births. Insanity!
 
In contrast, I live in California where uncertified copies of birth and death records are totally open to the public, no embargo. You can all go order "informational" uncertified copies of my kids' California birth certificates from 2007 and 2010, if you want. It's really not a big deal...except in New York and a few other places, which still treat public records access like it's an unforgivable sin.
 
Anyway. Here's the link to the page on our website, about this particular ongoing lawsuit, originally filed in April 2019:
https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/records-request/24/

There's a fun Jewish genealogy connection here, too: our attorney in this case is none other than Michael Moritz, who is also very involved with several research groups at JewishGen! He put an enormous amount of hard work into our "Article 78" legal filing, which you can read here (47 pages!):
 
And check out the four affidavits we filed along with the Petition, from four genealogists who all consistently need access to New York City death records for very different but very important reasons: (1) kinship and legal proceedings; (2) identification and repatriation of American servicemen who died overseas during twentieth century wars; (3) applications for dual citizenship or reclamation of lost ancestral citizenship; and (4) health-related research to find and alert distant family branches to a genetic risk for cancer from inherited BRCA mutations.
 
Those four affidavits are linked in the "Paperwork and Court Filings" section on that same page on our website. Jewish genealogist David Bushman was the author of the affidavit about BRCA mutations necessitating better public access to death records, and I am sorry to say that Dave passed away from coronavirus infection earlier this year. The case goes on, in his memory.
 
 
- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Founder and President, Reclaim The Records
Mill Valley, California


Re: Hancz/Hantz #usa

Sherri Bobish
 


Cheryl,

Possibly Barak Silvas is today known as Kuzmyno, Ukraine.
See this page for more information, and for alternative town names.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=3D-1044338

Bochava is possibly Bat'Ovo, Ukraine. 15 miles from Kuzmyno (Beregszilvas.)
For more information:
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=3D-1057315

On the 1910 census the family is indexed under surname HAUTZ.

Rose states she has given birth to 7 children and 6 are living.

On the 1910 census these 5 children are living in their home:
Goldie, Isidore, Ida, Yetta and Gizelle.

So, Rose had 5 children living with her and husband Benjamin.
She lost one child.
Where is the one other living child?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Hungarian Secular Names Soma and Antal #hungary #names

stephen@...
 

You need to be cautious with Hungarian names because in many cases there is no connection between religious and secular names.
--
Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia
stephen@...


Cleveland cousins family of Sara (Sora)( Reznik, RESNICK ( Lipeles) and Louis LIPELES #usa

sjkmb4@...
 


I am in search of information regarding my father's family.  My father was the oldest child of Sara (Sora)( Reznik, Resnick) ( Lipeles) and Louis Lipeles.  My grandparents came to the US separately  about 1912 and unmarried to NY.  They married and settled in NJ, winding up in Newark, NJ.  My father was born in 1917 in NY and he had two sisters, Vera (1919) and Esther (1925).
 
Louis was the son of Solomon LipelesShraga Feifel) and Sara Gorfein (a cousin).  He had a brother Joe (Fannie) and sisters Rebecca (Max) Gorfein, Elsie (Max Meisel) and Mirium (Harry Levine) all settlling in NY.
 
Sara was the daughter of Elias Reznik and Minnia (Keller) and had sisters Rose and Lena.  She also had brothers Irving, Louis Jack and Max.
 
While living in Newark, Sara would pack up the 3 children and take them annually to visit cousins in Cleveland, Ohio.  They would sleep in the bunks and would awake in Cleveland.   I have no idea the names of the cousins and which side of the family they came from (Lipelles or Reznik).
 
I believe they came around the mid 1920s.
 
Sherry Kamens
sjkmb4@... 
 
please send directly to sender  


Re: Hancz/Hantz #usa

The Becker's Email
 

familysearch has birth record transcriptions for:
Gisela Homs or Horns, b. 11 Sept. 1904 parents Benjamin Homs and Rossie Mowkoroz
Sadie Hans b. 28 Jan. 1907 parents Bennie Hans, Rosie Markowitz
what appear to be the birth records for Isadore and Gertrude  have  Rose's maiden name as Hershkowitz:
Isidor Hanz b. 19 Oct. 1905 parents Bennie Hanz, Rosie Hershkkowitz
Gertrude Haantz b. 26 Aug. 1909 parents Benjamin Haantz , Rosie Hershkowitz.

According to the above records, originals may be viewed at a family history center.  Some public  libraries have become "registered" as family history centers and you can access at the library; so check w/ your local library.

I would note that the 1910 and 1920 censuses give 1903 as the year of Rose's immigration,  not the 1904 Ben put on his naturalization papers.  1903 is consistent w/ having Gisela  born in Spet. 1904.  Also, I tried to find a ships' manifests for both Bennie and Rose for arrival in NY and could not find using stevemorse.  You might obtain both Rose's and Bennie's death certificates to see what is given for their place of birth and for Rose, the names of her parents which would give her maiden name.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI

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