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JRI-Poland Order Processing System: "thank yous" #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

As readers of this list know, the Jewish Records Indexing -
Poland "Order Processing System" is now "live." After a
year of testing and planning, it is now possible to use
the online shopping basket to order records >from nineteen
branches of the Polish State Archives. And, I am pleased
to say, many of you have been doing just that in the very
short time since the system become operational.

While all of us associated with JRI-Poland have a great
sense of joy and achievement in reaching this milestone,
I do not want to miss this opportunity to express a hearty
yasher koach to the those individuals who worked so hard to
make this all happen.

To Michael Tobias for simply being Michael. His shopping
basket idea, the testing and implimentation of the plan and
the dedication that has characterized his role in bringing
the Order Processing System to life, are a true reflection
of the remarkable talents that he has brought to JRI-Poland
at every step in its history. Michael, we all thank you.

To Mark Halpern, the Director of the PSA Order Processing
Center System, who has carefully nurtured the idea since it
was born, worked out the details of the system, appointed and
directed the efforts of those involved with the day to day
operations of the system, created much of the paperwork
and communicated with our representative in Poland and the
Polish State Archives during the many months of the testing
of the system. Mark, thank you on behalf of every researcher
who will be utilizing this system for years to come.

To Executive Director Andrzej Biernat of the Polish State
Archives, whose vision and good will have been instrumental in
so much of the success of the JRI-Poland indexing initiative,
and now, the introduction of PSA Order Processing System.
We are trully blessed to have this partnership with the PSA
and to have been able to build on small beginnings and reach
this important moment.

Finally, I would like to express our appreciation to the
members of the board who, in one way or another, have played
such an important role in defining policies, contributing
ideas and provided technical expertise of one type or another.
This has truly been a team effort.

We wish all researchers much success in the weeks, months,
and years ahead. Your personal research experiences and
achievements will be the best testament to JRI-Poland, our
database and our new Order Processing System.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director,
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland JRI-Poland Order Processing System: "thank yous" #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

As readers of this list know, the Jewish Records Indexing -
Poland "Order Processing System" is now "live." After a
year of testing and planning, it is now possible to use
the online shopping basket to order records >from nineteen
branches of the Polish State Archives. And, I am pleased
to say, many of you have been doing just that in the very
short time since the system become operational.

While all of us associated with JRI-Poland have a great
sense of joy and achievement in reaching this milestone,
I do not want to miss this opportunity to express a hearty
yasher koach to the those individuals who worked so hard to
make this all happen.

To Michael Tobias for simply being Michael. His shopping
basket idea, the testing and implimentation of the plan and
the dedication that has characterized his role in bringing
the Order Processing System to life, are a true reflection
of the remarkable talents that he has brought to JRI-Poland
at every step in its history. Michael, we all thank you.

To Mark Halpern, the Director of the PSA Order Processing
Center System, who has carefully nurtured the idea since it
was born, worked out the details of the system, appointed and
directed the efforts of those involved with the day to day
operations of the system, created much of the paperwork
and communicated with our representative in Poland and the
Polish State Archives during the many months of the testing
of the system. Mark, thank you on behalf of every researcher
who will be utilizing this system for years to come.

To Executive Director Andrzej Biernat of the Polish State
Archives, whose vision and good will have been instrumental in
so much of the success of the JRI-Poland indexing initiative,
and now, the introduction of PSA Order Processing System.
We are trully blessed to have this partnership with the PSA
and to have been able to build on small beginnings and reach
this important moment.

Finally, I would like to express our appreciation to the
members of the board who, in one way or another, have played
such an important role in defining policies, contributing
ideas and provided technical expertise of one type or another.
This has truly been a team effort.

We wish all researchers much success in the weeks, months,
and years ahead. Your personal research experiences and
achievements will be the best testament to JRI-Poland, our
database and our new Order Processing System.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director,
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Help with Tombstone #hungary

David Blank <rmjb@...>
 

I have a picture of a tombstone >from the Bratislava of Meir Ben Zvi
Deitelbaum who died Dec 31, 1940.

Also on the tombstone is mention of his wife Esther bat Fraidel >from the
Reichental Family. She was deported and died in a camp.

The camp name in hebrew is spelt....heh-alef-vet-reish(or)dalet-yud-nun.
Can't seem to find such a camp.

Maybe someone else has heard of this camp.

Thank you.
------------------------------------------------------
David Blank
------------------------------------------------------
Norman's Steak'n Burger Est 1978
27 Emek Refaim
Jerusalem
Tel: 972-2-566-6603
Visit our website: www.normans.co.il
E-mail: burger@...

Moderator VK: I suggest that you scan the picture and send it to JewishGen viewmate for identification. Go to http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ for information.


Re: Hungarian Accents #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

In my opinion, several of us, even the ones grew up in Hungary (I spent
my first 27 years in Hungary, before emigrating in 1956 and got a
universty degree) have difficoulties with many words using some accents
and this is not reduced to surnames. In case of Jozsef, József is
correct, you can check it in a dictionary even online.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Pete schrieb:

Thank you all for your responses to my queries. I hope others also
benefitted >from your responses.

I do have one major unanswered question. Is there a listing somewhere of
the correct spelling (including accent marks) of Hungarian first names?
As I am doing some transcriptions, I see some variations in spelling --
for example, sometimes József and sometimes Jozsef. Are these variations
due to error or naturally occuring?

Thanks, again

Peter M. Grossinger


Hungary SIG #Hungary Help with Tombstone #hungary

David Blank <rmjb@...>
 

I have a picture of a tombstone >from the Bratislava of Meir Ben Zvi
Deitelbaum who died Dec 31, 1940.

Also on the tombstone is mention of his wife Esther bat Fraidel >from the
Reichental Family. She was deported and died in a camp.

The camp name in hebrew is spelt....heh-alef-vet-reish(or)dalet-yud-nun.
Can't seem to find such a camp.

Maybe someone else has heard of this camp.

Thank you.
------------------------------------------------------
David Blank
------------------------------------------------------
Norman's Steak'n Burger Est 1978
27 Emek Refaim
Jerusalem
Tel: 972-2-566-6603
Visit our website: www.normans.co.il
E-mail: burger@...

Moderator VK: I suggest that you scan the picture and send it to JewishGen viewmate for identification. Go to http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ for information.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Accents #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

In my opinion, several of us, even the ones grew up in Hungary (I spent
my first 27 years in Hungary, before emigrating in 1956 and got a
universty degree) have difficoulties with many words using some accents
and this is not reduced to surnames. In case of Jozsef, József is
correct, you can check it in a dictionary even online.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Pete schrieb:

Thank you all for your responses to my queries. I hope others also
benefitted >from your responses.

I do have one major unanswered question. Is there a listing somewhere of
the correct spelling (including accent marks) of Hungarian first names?
As I am doing some transcriptions, I see some variations in spelling --
for example, sometimes József and sometimes Jozsef. Are these variations
due to error or naturally occuring?

Thanks, again

Peter M. Grossinger


Re: Hungarian accent marks #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

mirda <mirda@...> wrote:

I think, there are several software productions, that permit
the use of the correct Hungarian writing. I use the Central European
Keyboard System, a product of the Fingertip Software Company from
Texas ( email: www.fingertipsoft.com)
that was precisely my point - that, since there is NO standard way of doing this, we should agree to use something that works on ALL machines. probably the best way is to include the accents AFTER the vowel, in some agreed upon fashion.

just for the record, i would prefer to use ":" instead of "..", as one example, only because i find two characters (a:) simpler to deal with than three (a..), but any sort of standardization would be welcome. (if .. is easier to understand, or whatever.)

simply ignoring the accents is not good enough in many situations (the distinction between "bor kereskedo:" and "bo:r kereskedo:" has already come up in the context of this list, for example), as it is an important part of the information being conveyed.

for materials posted to the h-sig web site, for instance, i would love to see accented letters handled correctly (i.e. stored properly with accents, and then searched and presented with or without as required). normal hungarian usage, i believe, is to consider them (e versus e' and s versus sz etc.) as different letters and to alphabetize them as such. this may cause the web site administrator fits, but it's a major issue with all non-english content, and should only need to be tackled once, if it's done properly.



....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian accent marks #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

mirda <mirda@...> wrote:

I think, there are several software productions, that permit
the use of the correct Hungarian writing. I use the Central European
Keyboard System, a product of the Fingertip Software Company from
Texas ( email: www.fingertipsoft.com)
that was precisely my point - that, since there is NO standard way of doing this, we should agree to use something that works on ALL machines. probably the best way is to include the accents AFTER the vowel, in some agreed upon fashion.

just for the record, i would prefer to use ":" instead of "..", as one example, only because i find two characters (a:) simpler to deal with than three (a..), but any sort of standardization would be welcome. (if .. is easier to understand, or whatever.)

simply ignoring the accents is not good enough in many situations (the distinction between "bor kereskedo:" and "bo:r kereskedo:" has already come up in the context of this list, for example), as it is an important part of the information being conveyed.

for materials posted to the h-sig web site, for instance, i would love to see accented letters handled correctly (i.e. stored properly with accents, and then searched and presented with or without as required). normal hungarian usage, i believe, is to consider them (e versus e' and s versus sz etc.) as different letters and to alphabetize them as such. this may cause the web site administrator fits, but it's a major issue with all non-english content, and should only need to be tackled once, if it's done properly.



....... tom klein, toronto


Re: records from Vasvar #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

Thanks to Robert Neu I now have lots of info about my
grandfather's family >from Vasvar Hungary. I have lots
of "family mysteries" to solve but this info is a
great jumping off point.
One of the people I was looking for was a great uncle
by the name of Lipot Gottlieb, but found no one by
this name. Does anyone know if Lipot might be a
nickname or have another parallel name?
I also now know my ggrandmother was a Rechnitzer. Does
anyone know anything about this family?
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@...
KELLER- presov, zmigrod
FELLNER-szil
GOTTLIEB- vasvar
RECHNITZER-vasvar
NEUMAN- potok,slovakia

Moderator VK: Lipot is not a nickname but the Hungarian version of the masculine name Leopold. Nicknames are Lipi and Lipotka.


SIMPLIFIED GUIDE TO HUNGARIAN VOWELS AND CONSONANTS #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Hello, and greetings to all of you researching Hungarian roots.

I have just published on my web site a page titled:

SIMPLIFIED GUIDE TO WRITING
AND PRONOUNCING HUNGARIAN
ACCENTED VOWELS AND
COMBINATION CONSONANTS
for genealogical researchers.

It should help resolve some of the frequent questions you may face.

The page is at: Http:// www .arpad. com/Haccentmark.htm

(The spaces in the URL are only to prevent a Hyperlink to form in this
E-mail.)

I am fluent reading, writing and speaking Hungarian, German and English.

If you have any questions or need help, drop me a direct note by e-mail, and
I will attempt to respond to you.

The WEB site page is written in the ARIAL font, and should show correctly in
most browsers. If it does not, please be sure to let me know, including
equipment and browser you are using. Still working on perfecting it, so it will be
correctly readable independent >from your setup.

My E-Mail addresses are:

Leloed@ Aol. com
Leloed@ Arpad. com

My English / Hungarian WEB Site is at:
Arpad.Com at: Http: //www .arpad. com

The spaces in the URL-s are only to prevent a Hyperlink to form in this
E-mail.


Leslie Eloed
California


Hungary SIG #Hungary re: records from Vasvar #hungary

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

Thanks to Robert Neu I now have lots of info about my
grandfather's family >from Vasvar Hungary. I have lots
of "family mysteries" to solve but this info is a
great jumping off point.
One of the people I was looking for was a great uncle
by the name of Lipot Gottlieb, but found no one by
this name. Does anyone know if Lipot might be a
nickname or have another parallel name?
I also now know my ggrandmother was a Rechnitzer. Does
anyone know anything about this family?
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@...
KELLER- presov, zmigrod
FELLNER-szil
GOTTLIEB- vasvar
RECHNITZER-vasvar
NEUMAN- potok,slovakia

Moderator VK: Lipot is not a nickname but the Hungarian version of the masculine name Leopold. Nicknames are Lipi and Lipotka.


Hungary SIG #Hungary SIMPLIFIED GUIDE TO HUNGARIAN VOWELS AND CONSONANTS #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Hello, and greetings to all of you researching Hungarian roots.

I have just published on my web site a page titled:

SIMPLIFIED GUIDE TO WRITING
AND PRONOUNCING HUNGARIAN
ACCENTED VOWELS AND
COMBINATION CONSONANTS
for genealogical researchers.

It should help resolve some of the frequent questions you may face.

The page is at: Http:// www .arpad. com/Haccentmark.htm

(The spaces in the URL are only to prevent a Hyperlink to form in this
E-mail.)

I am fluent reading, writing and speaking Hungarian, German and English.

If you have any questions or need help, drop me a direct note by e-mail, and
I will attempt to respond to you.

The WEB site page is written in the ARIAL font, and should show correctly in
most browsers. If it does not, please be sure to let me know, including
equipment and browser you are using. Still working on perfecting it, so it will be
correctly readable independent >from your setup.

My E-Mail addresses are:

Leloed@ Aol. com
Leloed@ Arpad. com

My English / Hungarian WEB Site is at:
Arpad.Com at: Http: //www .arpad. com

The spaces in the URL-s are only to prevent a Hyperlink to form in this
E-mail.


Leslie Eloed
California


"Israel Cultus Temple", Budapest #hungary

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,
I recently saw a family document stating that my
g-aunt & g-uncle, Clara GATTMANN and Moritz/Maximilian
PHILIPSBORN were married in 1878 in the "Israel Cultus
Temple" in Budapest. Does this temple still exist?
By another name, possibly?
Would appreciate any information and would welcome
photos.
Yours
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California, USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary "Israel Cultus Temple", Budapest #hungary

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,
I recently saw a family document stating that my
g-aunt & g-uncle, Clara GATTMANN and Moritz/Maximilian
PHILIPSBORN were married in 1878 in the "Israel Cultus
Temple" in Budapest. Does this temple still exist?
By another name, possibly?
Would appreciate any information and would welcome
photos.
Yours
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California, USA


Jews in the Boer War. #southafrica

Denis Nathan <dnathan@...>
 

Is there any documentation etc concerning Jews who fought for the Boers in
the Boer War.I believe that my gr-grandfather, Isador Hermann may have done
so. I recall a thread about this some years ago.

Denis Nathan.
Milwaukee Wisconsin USA

dnathan@...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Jews in the Boer War. #southafrica

Denis Nathan <dnathan@...>
 

Is there any documentation etc concerning Jews who fought for the Boers in
the Boer War.I believe that my gr-grandfather, Isador Hermann may have done
so. I recall a thread about this some years ago.

Denis Nathan.
Milwaukee Wisconsin USA

dnathan@...


"Latke" in Israel seeks KOPELMAN ancestors - GE > IL circa 1734 #germany

Dov & Varda <yknow@...>
 

I originally joined GerSig to learn about my husband's Yekke roots.
However, it has ocurred to me that I should be utilizing this sig to
research my mpp roots as well.

My mother's KOPELMAN relatives left Germany for Lithuania circa 1734. I
first received this information two years ago in a phone call >from Prof.
Yaffa Eliach, who claims to have a Pinkas >from Vasilishki that bears my
ancestors' name and was recorded during that year. It has been difficult to
obtain this important document. Prof. Eliach gave me to understand that the
KOPELMANs settled in the following towns: Grodno, Olkeniki, Eisishkes, and
Vasilishki (where my grandfather was born).

Through my contacts with various KOPELMANs, I have heard that those
Kopelmans that stayed in Germany converted to Christianity, and are
Lutherans. Further, there still exists in Germany today, remnants of this
clan, who know of their Jewish roots.

Some of the questions I have are: What caused this family to leave for
Lithuania? Were there pogroms at that time, or was this an economic
decision? Were those that stayed, forced to convert? Where in Germany did
the KOPELMANs live?

When I learned of this German connection, my husband told me that >from now
on, I was no longer a Litvak, but a Latke (Litvak/Yekke).

Varda Epstein Efrat Israel yknow@...


German SIG #Germany "Latke" in Israel seeks KOPELMAN ancestors - GE > IL circa 1734 #germany

Dov & Varda <yknow@...>
 

I originally joined GerSig to learn about my husband's Yekke roots.
However, it has ocurred to me that I should be utilizing this sig to
research my mpp roots as well.

My mother's KOPELMAN relatives left Germany for Lithuania circa 1734. I
first received this information two years ago in a phone call >from Prof.
Yaffa Eliach, who claims to have a Pinkas >from Vasilishki that bears my
ancestors' name and was recorded during that year. It has been difficult to
obtain this important document. Prof. Eliach gave me to understand that the
KOPELMANs settled in the following towns: Grodno, Olkeniki, Eisishkes, and
Vasilishki (where my grandfather was born).

Through my contacts with various KOPELMANs, I have heard that those
Kopelmans that stayed in Germany converted to Christianity, and are
Lutherans. Further, there still exists in Germany today, remnants of this
clan, who know of their Jewish roots.

Some of the questions I have are: What caused this family to leave for
Lithuania? Were there pogroms at that time, or was this an economic
decision? Were those that stayed, forced to convert? Where in Germany did
the KOPELMANs live?

When I learned of this German connection, my husband told me that >from now
on, I was no longer a Litvak, but a Latke (Litvak/Yekke).

Varda Epstein Efrat Israel yknow@...


Re: Family Reunions in Germany - Suggested location / venue #germany

Christof Eberstadt <CPA-Eberstadt@...>
 

Elizabeth Levy wrote:
"I need your help fellow family finders.... If anyone has organized a
reunion, attended a reunion or just feels like he or she has something to
share.... I don't have the slightest idea of how to go about this or what
is most important to include. Any ideas or comments or direction at all
would be very much appreciated."

One major problem for family reunions should be finding a place to have
the possibility to gather in large numbers and sleep for moderate costs.

Try a search machine and put in "Seminarhaus+Kissingen". You'll find
proposals for houses in which groups (10 and up to 40 people) can gather,
discuss, sing, dance, learn, sleep, eat, have a open fire in the garden,
sometimes swim or go to a sauna, all that for limited time (for instance
two days or one week). You literally can do there what your group wants to
do.

The houses are often outside of towns, in surrounding villages or in the
woods for instance (very important for Bad Kissingen which is a spa and
most expensive). They have kitchen personal and offer breakfast and lunch
mostly, just as you want. You must book abt. one or two years in advance.

Write them and ask for a flyer with description of the possibilities they
offer.

Christof Eberstadt Germany CPA-Eberstadt@...


Overseas Fact Sheets from Center Genealogy Inst. #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

After responding to a sister researcher about how to try to get
records >from a previously closed society, it occurred to me that one
of the sources I mentioned isn't generally considered in these lists.


The Center Genealogy Institute (CGI) at NY's Center for Jewish
History has a couple of dozen one-page Fact Sheets that can be
downloaded and printed. They focus on non-USA research.

Each is specific to one country and gives an overview of the history,
archives, sometimes contacts, and finding aids, books, plus Center
and other resources, etc. The basic picture that emerges can help
clarify confusions that plague us periodically, particularly at the
beginning of a new search.

There's also a sheet on Finding Your Ancestral Town in the Pale.

The URL is: http://www.cjh.org

Click on the Family History in the left-hand menu.


Michelle Frager, NY area
Belarus/Lith: FRAKT, WOLFSON, LIFSHITZ, PODOKSIK
Ukraine/Rom: TREIGER, SIROTA, ZEKTSER, SIBELBERG, BRONSHTEIN