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Re: Tsymety Pytel -- Jewish? #general

Gershon bi-Kroke <gershon_gp@...>
 

In any event, according to this material, one of my ggg-grandmothers,
born in Poland in 1828, was named Tsymety Pytel. I may not be an
expert, but this doesn't strike me as a Jewish name (whatever that
means). Has anyone come across Pytel as a Jewish name? And does
anyone have any idea what Tsymety might really be? Thanks.
Pytel is not quite typical, and I would certainly respond that it's not
Jewish, but the first name Cymeta was typical (although rare) among
Jewish families in Poland.


--
G. Gembala
Krakow, Poland

Researching Gleich, Pillersdorf, Kletzel,
Eskreis, Janczer (Galicia), Simson (U.S.)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Tsymety Pytel -- Jewish? #general

Gershon bi-Kroke <gershon_gp@...>
 

In any event, according to this material, one of my ggg-grandmothers,
born in Poland in 1828, was named Tsymety Pytel. I may not be an
expert, but this doesn't strike me as a Jewish name (whatever that
means). Has anyone come across Pytel as a Jewish name? And does
anyone have any idea what Tsymety might really be? Thanks.
Pytel is not quite typical, and I would certainly respond that it's not
Jewish, but the first name Cymeta was typical (although rare) among
Jewish families in Poland.


--
G. Gembala
Krakow, Poland

Researching Gleich, Pillersdorf, Kletzel,
Eskreis, Janczer (Galicia), Simson (U.S.)


Maps of Israel #general

Matt Friedman
 

There are many on line sources for maps of Israel.
Two sites are as follows:

www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/
The maps on this site are both comtemporary and
historical.

www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/israel.html
The maps on this site are quite detailed and of
different scales. There are maps for all parts of
Israel including the West bank and Gaza and there is a
link to other sites with maps of Israel.

I have tested both of these links.

Matt Friedman

FRIEDMAN, MANN: Gorodenka, UKR
SPIEGEL, Snyatin, UKR


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Maps of Israel #general

Matt Friedman
 

There are many on line sources for maps of Israel.
Two sites are as follows:

www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/
The maps on this site are both comtemporary and
historical.

www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/israel.html
The maps on this site are quite detailed and of
different scales. There are maps for all parts of
Israel including the West bank and Gaza and there is a
link to other sites with maps of Israel.

I have tested both of these links.

Matt Friedman

FRIEDMAN, MANN: Gorodenka, UKR
SPIEGEL, Snyatin, UKR


Cost of SS-5 application copies to Australia? #general

Mary B
 

I would like to obtain copies of SS-5 application forms belonging to
deceased relatives. I know that these cost $27.00 U.S. for people
living in the U.S but I can't find any information to tell me how much
these would cost to send to my address in Australia. I have searched the
message archives and came acrosss the same question posed by someone
else but no answer to the group.

Thank you in advance,
Mary Blumenstein
Melbourne, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FAQ at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html>, while it doesn't answer
your question, does have a link to the Social Security Administration page
<http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm>, where you can find an address
should you need to contact the Administration directly about this.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cost of SS-5 application copies to Australia? #general

Mary B
 

I would like to obtain copies of SS-5 application forms belonging to
deceased relatives. I know that these cost $27.00 U.S. for people
living in the U.S but I can't find any information to tell me how much
these would cost to send to my address in Australia. I have searched the
message archives and came acrosss the same question posed by someone
else but no answer to the group.

Thank you in advance,
Mary Blumenstein
Melbourne, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FAQ at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html>, while it doesn't answer
your question, does have a link to the Social Security Administration page
<http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm>, where you can find an address
should you need to contact the Administration directly about this.


Vileika District, Vilna Gubernia, 1850 Revision List #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I am pleased to announce that the first phase of the 1850 Revision List
Project for the Vileika District (uyezd), Vilna gubernia is has been
completed for the shtetls of Vilieka (341 names) and Dolginovo (1000 names):

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_vileika_revision_list.htm

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/dolginovo_1850_revision_list.htm

The shtetl of Radoshkovichi with 1,400 names is currently in progress and
we hope to have this portion of the project on line in the near future. The
following shtetls in Vileika district will also be completed as soon as our
researcher in Vilna can finish:

Iliya =AD 750 names
Kurenets - 950 names
Butslav (Budslav) - 200 names
Miadel - 420 names
Lebedzev (Lebedevo) - 400 names
Molodechno - 250 names
Krasnoie (Krasnoselie) - 210 names
Krivichi (Krzhivichi) =AD 350 names
Gorodok - 500 names
Rzhechki (Rechki) - 150 names
Kraisk - 150 names
Dunilovichi - 400 names
Jewish farmers =AD 194 names

I would like to thank those of you who have already generously donated
funds to this project. In addition, I want to thank the Litvak SIG for
transferring funds they collected for the Vileika project to the Belarus
SIG. Howard Margol also deserves a big thank you for making the arrangements
in Vilna to find us a researcher. Last put not least, our SIG Webmaster and
Database Manager, Edward Rosenbaum, who quickly and expertly formatted the
database and got it up for everyone to see and use until the data is added
to the All Belarus Database.

Those of you who are connected to the above shtetls are strongly urged to
contribute funds to complete this project as well as help fund the 1834
Vileika Revision List which is waiting to be done. Please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html and make a generous
donation today.

People who are researching shtetls not in Vileika district, should get an
idea of what can be done when a group of researchers interested in a limited
geographic area band together to identify records that are available,
prioritize what will be done first, and make generous contributions to get
the records to advance their research.

Dave

David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vileika District, Vilna Gubernia, 1850 Revision List #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I am pleased to announce that the first phase of the 1850 Revision List
Project for the Vileika District (uyezd), Vilna gubernia is has been
completed for the shtetls of Vilieka (341 names) and Dolginovo (1000 names):

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_vileika_revision_list.htm

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/dolginovo_1850_revision_list.htm

The shtetl of Radoshkovichi with 1,400 names is currently in progress and
we hope to have this portion of the project on line in the near future. The
following shtetls in Vileika district will also be completed as soon as our
researcher in Vilna can finish:

Iliya =AD 750 names
Kurenets - 950 names
Butslav (Budslav) - 200 names
Miadel - 420 names
Lebedzev (Lebedevo) - 400 names
Molodechno - 250 names
Krasnoie (Krasnoselie) - 210 names
Krivichi (Krzhivichi) =AD 350 names
Gorodok - 500 names
Rzhechki (Rechki) - 150 names
Kraisk - 150 names
Dunilovichi - 400 names
Jewish farmers =AD 194 names

I would like to thank those of you who have already generously donated
funds to this project. In addition, I want to thank the Litvak SIG for
transferring funds they collected for the Vileika project to the Belarus
SIG. Howard Margol also deserves a big thank you for making the arrangements
in Vilna to find us a researcher. Last put not least, our SIG Webmaster and
Database Manager, Edward Rosenbaum, who quickly and expertly formatted the
database and got it up for everyone to see and use until the data is added
to the All Belarus Database.

Those of you who are connected to the above shtetls are strongly urged to
contribute funds to complete this project as well as help fund the 1834
Vileika Revision List which is waiting to be done. Please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html and make a generous
donation today.

People who are researching shtetls not in Vileika district, should get an
idea of what can be done when a group of researchers interested in a limited
geographic area band together to identify records that are available,
prioritize what will be done first, and make generous contributions to get
the records to advance their research.

Dave

David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


An idea whose time has come? #rabbinic

seforimlover
 

Further to my last post about the lack of resources available for
quality rabbinical research. I did get some replies and whilst they
perhaps gave various options, did not change my impression. To those
I have not responded to yet, I will be responding soon. I have
thought of the following. Perhaps those who are researching
rabbinical roots could all use the same genealogical computer
program. Once every 3 months or so, all the information would be
sent to a committee. This committee would then check over the
information and make sure it is up to par. After that, the committee
would take all this information and incorporate it into one large
rabbinical family tree. I have spoken to the tech support of one of
the premier Jewish genealogical programs (according to my limited
knowledge), who view this idea positively and are prepared to invest
in this idea, and see if it can work.

Are there enough people here who would be interested in creating a
thoroughly researched and referenced rabbinical database. That is
the question?!

Thank you,
Yehuda Herskowitz


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic An idea whose time has come? #rabbinic

seforimlover
 

Further to my last post about the lack of resources available for
quality rabbinical research. I did get some replies and whilst they
perhaps gave various options, did not change my impression. To those
I have not responded to yet, I will be responding soon. I have
thought of the following. Perhaps those who are researching
rabbinical roots could all use the same genealogical computer
program. Once every 3 months or so, all the information would be
sent to a committee. This committee would then check over the
information and make sure it is up to par. After that, the committee
would take all this information and incorporate it into one large
rabbinical family tree. I have spoken to the tech support of one of
the premier Jewish genealogical programs (according to my limited
knowledge), who view this idea positively and are prepared to invest
in this idea, and see if it can work.

Are there enough people here who would be interested in creating a
thoroughly researched and referenced rabbinical database. That is
the question?!

Thank you,
Yehuda Herskowitz


Belarus Static Index - Another Search Engine to Find Your Belarus #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Edward Rosenbaum, the Belarus SIG Webmaster and Database Manager, has once
again used his creativity to design and program a new search engine to help
researchers locate their Belarus ancestors on numerous static web pages.
There are presently 246 static web pages containing almost 130,000 names
which have been indexed and are searchable by surname, given name, town,
uyezd, and gubernia. In addition, you have the option to search by:
Starts With
Exactly
D/M Soundex
Contains
Ends with

Please keep in mind that the 130,000 entries are not included in the All
Belarus Database. However, Edward has provided numerous other search
options on the new Belarus Static Index page:
Search the All Belarus Database
JewishGen Family Finder
SIG Message Archives
JewishGen Message Archives
Searching the Internet - JewishGen, ShtetLinks, or the entire Web
Shtetls of Belarus (coming soon)

I urge all of you to try out the Belarus Names Index. Just go to the
Belarus SIG homepage <www.jewishgen.org/belarus> and click on "Search for
your ancestors".

These static web pages are smaller names lists or data waiting to be added
to the All Belarus Database.

Please share you successes on the discussion group.

Thanks again Edward!

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Belarus Static Index - Another Search Engine to Find Your Belarus #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Edward Rosenbaum, the Belarus SIG Webmaster and Database Manager, has once
again used his creativity to design and program a new search engine to help
researchers locate their Belarus ancestors on numerous static web pages.
There are presently 246 static web pages containing almost 130,000 names
which have been indexed and are searchable by surname, given name, town,
uyezd, and gubernia. In addition, you have the option to search by:
Starts With
Exactly
D/M Soundex
Contains
Ends with

Please keep in mind that the 130,000 entries are not included in the All
Belarus Database. However, Edward has provided numerous other search
options on the new Belarus Static Index page:
Search the All Belarus Database
JewishGen Family Finder
SIG Message Archives
JewishGen Message Archives
Searching the Internet - JewishGen, ShtetLinks, or the entire Web
Shtetls of Belarus (coming soon)

I urge all of you to try out the Belarus Names Index. Just go to the
Belarus SIG homepage <www.jewishgen.org/belarus> and click on "Search for
your ancestors".

These static web pages are smaller names lists or data waiting to be added
to the All Belarus Database.

Please share you successes on the discussion group.

Thanks again Edward!

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Worst Case Genealogical Scenarios WANTED #general

Family Tree Expert <Expert@...>
 

Did you ever get the feeling that you ran into the Worst-Case Genealogical
Scenario? Tell me about it.

This isn't just about running into brick walls. But it could be. What
about humorous or not-so funny situations you were in while tracing your
family tree? See
http://www.familytreeexpert.com/fte/worstcases/worstcaseindex.htm
for some examples.

The Family Tree Expert is compiling stories for publication and would love
for you to share them. Simply enter them online at:
http://www.familytreeexpert.com/fte/worstcasescenario.asp or email them
directly to: worstcase@FamilyTreeExpert.com

Thanks for your help.

Gary Palgon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Worst Case Genealogical Scenarios WANTED #general

Family Tree Expert <Expert@...>
 

Did you ever get the feeling that you ran into the Worst-Case Genealogical
Scenario? Tell me about it.

This isn't just about running into brick walls. But it could be. What
about humorous or not-so funny situations you were in while tracing your
family tree? See
http://www.familytreeexpert.com/fte/worstcases/worstcaseindex.htm
for some examples.

The Family Tree Expert is compiling stories for publication and would love
for you to share them. Simply enter them online at:
http://www.familytreeexpert.com/fte/worstcasescenario.asp or email them
directly to: worstcase@FamilyTreeExpert.com

Thanks for your help.

Gary Palgon


JGS Oregon's Mini-Course on Jewish Genealogy & Family History #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

At the upcoming January (7:30 pm, 21 January, Mittleman Jewish
Community Center, Portland, Oregon), February, and March monthly
meetings, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon is presenting a
3-session mini-course on Jewish Genealogy and Family History. An
outline for the course is available if you want see what will be
presented. The presentations will deviate a bit >from the straight
lecture-type of talks we usually have. Each session of the mini-course
includes reading assignments >from JGSO's "Getting started in Jewish
genealogy: A handbook for beginners with supplementary information for
advanced users." It also includes in-class exercises and assignments
for you to try at home, between meetings. We will review the
assignments at the following month's meeting. JGSO's gurus will help
you with the exercises and assignments during each month's presentation.

If you do not have the 3rd edition of "Getting started ...", we will
have copies available for sale at the meeting, or you can use the copy
that is in JGSO's Library at Neveh Shalom Congregation's Library. Or,
you can purchase the all new "JGSO CD-Rom" which will debut at the
January meeting. The CD-Rom includes "Getting started ... " and many
other useful documents. Look for an e-mail message in the next couple of
days announcing availability of the CD-Rom.

One of the exercises at the January 21st meeting asks you to fill out
family group sheets and a pedigree chart. We will have blank forms
available for you at the meeting. Or, if you want to get a head-start on
the exercise, blank forms are in "Getting Started ..." and also are
available on-line and at LDS Family History Centers. Just copy them and
fill them in with information you have at hand. During the class, we'll
help you with any difficulties you may encounter.

To illustrate what is possible as you develop your family history, at
the January 21st meeting, we will display a wall chart showing my own
Doctor family. It contains 11 generations going back to about 1730. The
chart is about 17 feet long and a foot and a half deep. JGSO's
mini-course is designed to teach you about the tools and resources that
are available to help you develop your own deep family history.

Please let me know if you want a copy of the 3-session course outline.
If you have any questions about the meetings or their content, please
contact me at rondoctor@earthlink.net.

Ron Doctor
JGSO Membership Chairman
Portland, Oregon USA
rondoctor@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Oregon's Mini-Course on Jewish Genealogy & Family History #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

At the upcoming January (7:30 pm, 21 January, Mittleman Jewish
Community Center, Portland, Oregon), February, and March monthly
meetings, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon is presenting a
3-session mini-course on Jewish Genealogy and Family History. An
outline for the course is available if you want see what will be
presented. The presentations will deviate a bit >from the straight
lecture-type of talks we usually have. Each session of the mini-course
includes reading assignments >from JGSO's "Getting started in Jewish
genealogy: A handbook for beginners with supplementary information for
advanced users." It also includes in-class exercises and assignments
for you to try at home, between meetings. We will review the
assignments at the following month's meeting. JGSO's gurus will help
you with the exercises and assignments during each month's presentation.

If you do not have the 3rd edition of "Getting started ...", we will
have copies available for sale at the meeting, or you can use the copy
that is in JGSO's Library at Neveh Shalom Congregation's Library. Or,
you can purchase the all new "JGSO CD-Rom" which will debut at the
January meeting. The CD-Rom includes "Getting started ... " and many
other useful documents. Look for an e-mail message in the next couple of
days announcing availability of the CD-Rom.

One of the exercises at the January 21st meeting asks you to fill out
family group sheets and a pedigree chart. We will have blank forms
available for you at the meeting. Or, if you want to get a head-start on
the exercise, blank forms are in "Getting Started ..." and also are
available on-line and at LDS Family History Centers. Just copy them and
fill them in with information you have at hand. During the class, we'll
help you with any difficulties you may encounter.

To illustrate what is possible as you develop your family history, at
the January 21st meeting, we will display a wall chart showing my own
Doctor family. It contains 11 generations going back to about 1730. The
chart is about 17 feet long and a foot and a half deep. JGSO's
mini-course is designed to teach you about the tools and resources that
are available to help you develop your own deep family history.

Please let me know if you want a copy of the 3-session course outline.
If you have any questions about the meetings or their content, please
contact me at rondoctor@earthlink.net.

Ron Doctor
JGSO Membership Chairman
Portland, Oregon USA
rondoctor@earthlink.net


ViewMate #ukraine

bvjo@earthlink.net <bvjo@...>
 

I need help with translation of a letter >from the Kiev Archives. It is written in
either Russian or Ukrainian.

It is ViewMate number VM3436. It can be found at the following address:

"http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3436"

Please address response to;

bvjo@earthlink.net


Nathan Greenberg

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Address deleted per JewishGen rules.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ViewMate #ukraine

bvjo@earthlink.net <bvjo@...>
 

I need help with translation of a letter >from the Kiev Archives. It is written in
either Russian or Ukrainian.

It is ViewMate number VM3436. It can be found at the following address:

"http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3436"

Please address response to;

bvjo@earthlink.net


Nathan Greenberg

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Address deleted per JewishGen rules.


Krochmal #ukraine

RICHARD COLEMAN
 

My grandfather, Wasyl Krochmal(uk), emigrated >from Zbarazh, present day
Ternopil Oblast in Ukraine, in January 1910 and passed through Ellis Island
on his way to N.E. Pa. I would be interested in corresponding with anyone
with those surnames to determine if there are any other Krochmals other than
my mother's family, in the States >from that area. As far as I knew, the
family was Christian but I found the name Krochmal on the list of Jewish
surnames >from that area,and an Israeli lady I correspond with told me that
the name most likely was not Christian in origin. Any correspondence would
be appreciated.

Names being researched - KROCHMAL,KROCHMALUK, ROMANIC, ROMANUK


Richard Coleman

drjekyll@hazleton.net


Re: V. Vernadskyi National Library of Ukraine--need correct e-mail #ukraine

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

Google says:

http://www.nbuv.gov.ua/eng/


Genners,

I tried to send an e-mail message to the National Library of Ukraine
earlier
today, and I received the following message:

The following addresses had delivery problems:
<nlu@csl.freenet.kiev.ua>
Permanent Failure: Other address status<<

What does that message actually mean? I clicked on to the address
supplied
by Routes to Routes Foundation website. Does anybody have the correct
current e-mail address for this library?

Many thanks.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@comcast.net
Cherry Hill, NJ
Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
aNOhsSPAMsha@comcast.net (remove NO SPAM)

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)