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Valuable Yarmulkas in your dresser drawer #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

If you're like me, you've probably saved Yarmulkas >from every Bar/Bat
Mitzvah and Wedding for the last 25+ years. You're also like me if
you clean out your dresser every 25 years. Well, don't dispose of
those valuable Kippot! The inscriptions of names, dates and places
on the underside will save you lots of work! So, don't wait 25 years
- check out those Kippot right now for some great family history
information.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Valuable Yarmulkas in your dresser drawer #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

If you're like me, you've probably saved Yarmulkas >from every Bar/Bat
Mitzvah and Wedding for the last 25+ years. You're also like me if
you clean out your dresser every 25 years. Well, don't dispose of
those valuable Kippot! The inscriptions of names, dates and places
on the underside will save you lots of work! So, don't wait 25 years
- check out those Kippot right now for some great family history
information.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York


Re: Kurzweil on Names/Number #germany

Gary Mokotoff (Optonline) <garymokotoff@...>
 

The statement that

"During the Holocaust, they took the names away of the
people, each with their own soul, and they put numbers on their arms. The
job of a Jewish genealogist is to replace those numbers and give them back
their names"

was first uttered by Arthur Kurzweil at the banquet speech of
the International Seminar on Jewish Genealogy held in Washington, DC, on
June 28, 1995. The entire speech brought down the house.
The theme of the speech was that Jewish genealogy is the act of performing
mitzvahs.

The exact quote was:

"Who more than we understands the mystery and the importance in Jewish
tradition of the power of names, of not just to jumble everybody together,
but that everybody is important? The fact of six million Jews being killed
during the Holocaust is unfathomable to us, but when we have the specific
names of the people in our families.... I don't know what to do with the
Holocaust. Most people in the world don't know quite what to do with the
Holocaust. But I think we genealogists have found out what to do with the
Holocaust. We remember names. When the Nazis rounded us up, they took away
our names and they gave us numbers. What we are involved with doing is
taking away the numbers and giving them back their names."

I still get emotional about that statement. The speech was reprinted in the
Fall 1995 issue of AVOTAYNU. I felt so strongly about the speech, that it is
the Foreword of the soon-to-be-published "Avotaynu Guide to Jewish Genealogy."

Gary Mokotoff Northern New Jersey garymokotoff@optonline.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you Gary. The Kurzweil quote is used on at least 4 web
pages but none of them gives its source. One website incorrectly attributes
the quote to Raffi Gruber. Another GerSig member was kind enough to send me
a text of the 1995 speech. Kurzweil writes about Jewish Genealogy as a mitzvah
in Chapter 6 of the revised edition of his book ">from Generation to Generation".

He gave a similar talk at the opening session of the 1998 Conference
in Los Angeles. I purchased an audiotape recording of the speech and have
listened to it many times but still find it both inspiring and entertaining.
It does NOT include the "give them back their names" statement, though.
My source was:

Repeat Performance
2911 Crabapple Lane
Hobart, IN 46342 TEL: (219)-465-1234

John Paul Lowens, GerSig MODERATOR1


German SIG #Germany RE: Kurzweil on Names/Number #germany

Gary Mokotoff (Optonline) <garymokotoff@...>
 

The statement that

"During the Holocaust, they took the names away of the
people, each with their own soul, and they put numbers on their arms. The
job of a Jewish genealogist is to replace those numbers and give them back
their names"

was first uttered by Arthur Kurzweil at the banquet speech of
the International Seminar on Jewish Genealogy held in Washington, DC, on
June 28, 1995. The entire speech brought down the house.
The theme of the speech was that Jewish genealogy is the act of performing
mitzvahs.

The exact quote was:

"Who more than we understands the mystery and the importance in Jewish
tradition of the power of names, of not just to jumble everybody together,
but that everybody is important? The fact of six million Jews being killed
during the Holocaust is unfathomable to us, but when we have the specific
names of the people in our families.... I don't know what to do with the
Holocaust. Most people in the world don't know quite what to do with the
Holocaust. But I think we genealogists have found out what to do with the
Holocaust. We remember names. When the Nazis rounded us up, they took away
our names and they gave us numbers. What we are involved with doing is
taking away the numbers and giving them back their names."

I still get emotional about that statement. The speech was reprinted in the
Fall 1995 issue of AVOTAYNU. I felt so strongly about the speech, that it is
the Foreword of the soon-to-be-published "Avotaynu Guide to Jewish Genealogy."

Gary Mokotoff Northern New Jersey garymokotoff@optonline.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you Gary. The Kurzweil quote is used on at least 4 web
pages but none of them gives its source. One website incorrectly attributes
the quote to Raffi Gruber. Another GerSig member was kind enough to send me
a text of the 1995 speech. Kurzweil writes about Jewish Genealogy as a mitzvah
in Chapter 6 of the revised edition of his book ">from Generation to Generation".

He gave a similar talk at the opening session of the 1998 Conference
in Los Angeles. I purchased an audiotape recording of the speech and have
listened to it many times but still find it both inspiring and entertaining.
It does NOT include the "give them back their names" statement, though.
My source was:

Repeat Performance
2911 Crabapple Lane
Hobart, IN 46342 TEL: (219)-465-1234

John Paul Lowens, GerSig MODERATOR1


Reb Yisrael ben Yosef of Ostraha #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I've posted this in the past but I'll try again.

I received a family tree compiled by several old time Jerusalem
families (ZEIVELD and PAPIRNE), a family tree, very similiar to ours
in previous generations, which has in the center the person of Reb
Yisrael ben Yosef of Ostraha, who was a descendant of both the
MaHaRaL and the MaHaRSHaL.

This Yisrael is noted in the tree as a grandson and great grandson
of Rabbis Arieh Leib and his father Shmuel, who were Rabbis of
Kremenetz several centuries ago. They were descendants of Reb Efraim
Fischel of Ludmir, who I understand was a Parnas of the Vaad Arba
Aratzot, and of the "Smichus Chachamim", Reb Naftali Katz,
greatgrandson of the MaHaRaL.

Till Yisrael of Ostraha is detailed in several published works
(Wunder's, Rosenstein's, and probably others).

According to these unpublished (as far as I know) family trees,
this Reb Yisrael married his son Yosef and grandson Naftali to
the families of the Admorim of Lechowitz and Karlin.

My interest in this tree are Yisrael's children other than Yosef and
Naftali. I would be happy to hear >from anyone who has details
(possibly in the book "Mazkeret Gedolei Ostraha" or personal
knowledge of the Lechowitz and Karlin dynasties).

My immediate ancestral names which are supposedly descendants of
Yisrael are ROSENBAUM, SCHECHTER (incl. R' Yacov Meir SCHECHTER
leader of the world Breslev union).

Thank you.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Reb Yisrael ben Yosef of Ostraha #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I've posted this in the past but I'll try again.

I received a family tree compiled by several old time Jerusalem
families (ZEIVELD and PAPIRNE), a family tree, very similiar to ours
in previous generations, which has in the center the person of Reb
Yisrael ben Yosef of Ostraha, who was a descendant of both the
MaHaRaL and the MaHaRSHaL.

This Yisrael is noted in the tree as a grandson and great grandson
of Rabbis Arieh Leib and his father Shmuel, who were Rabbis of
Kremenetz several centuries ago. They were descendants of Reb Efraim
Fischel of Ludmir, who I understand was a Parnas of the Vaad Arba
Aratzot, and of the "Smichus Chachamim", Reb Naftali Katz,
greatgrandson of the MaHaRaL.

Till Yisrael of Ostraha is detailed in several published works
(Wunder's, Rosenstein's, and probably others).

According to these unpublished (as far as I know) family trees,
this Reb Yisrael married his son Yosef and grandson Naftali to
the families of the Admorim of Lechowitz and Karlin.

My interest in this tree are Yisrael's children other than Yosef and
Naftali. I would be happy to hear >from anyone who has details
(possibly in the book "Mazkeret Gedolei Ostraha" or personal
knowledge of the Lechowitz and Karlin dynasties).

My immediate ancestral names which are supposedly descendants of
Yisrael are ROSENBAUM, SCHECHTER (incl. R' Yacov Meir SCHECHTER
leader of the world Breslev union).

Thank you.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Is Natan FRAIDER known to you? #rabbinic

SingingTM@...
 

Are you familiar with Natan FRAIDER or the work whose catalog card
appears below?

FRAIDER is one of my ancestral names. I have a Rabbi Pinchas FRAIDER
in the family but don't know of Natan. I came across this reference
in the Library of Congress catalog, which is provided below for your
consideration.

Please answer privately.

Jeff Miller
Brookeville, Maryland
mailto:SingingTM@aol.com

--
Moderator's Note: The formatted text provided by the poster has been
omitted. Instead, please access the Library of Congress Catalog at

http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First

Then, to display the record referenced by Mr. Miller,

1) Select "LCCN-ISBN-ISSN" in the "Search Type" window.
2) Enter the number 95855216 in the "Search Text" window.
[This is the Library of Congress Catalog Number (LCCN) of the
work referenced by Mr. Miller.]
3) Click on the button labeled "Begin Search."
4) Click on "Full Record."


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Is Natan FRAIDER known to you? #rabbinic

SingingTM@...
 

Are you familiar with Natan FRAIDER or the work whose catalog card
appears below?

FRAIDER is one of my ancestral names. I have a Rabbi Pinchas FRAIDER
in the family but don't know of Natan. I came across this reference
in the Library of Congress catalog, which is provided below for your
consideration.

Please answer privately.

Jeff Miller
Brookeville, Maryland
mailto:SingingTM@aol.com

--
Moderator's Note: The formatted text provided by the poster has been
omitted. Instead, please access the Library of Congress Catalog at

http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First

Then, to display the record referenced by Mr. Miller,

1) Select "LCCN-ISBN-ISSN" in the "Search Type" window.
2) Enter the number 95855216 in the "Search Text" window.
[This is the Library of Congress Catalog Number (LCCN) of the
work referenced by Mr. Miller.]
3) Click on the button labeled "Begin Search."
4) Click on "Full Record."


Re: SCHATZKES and YOFFE families #rabbinic

raanan1@...
 

On 2004.01.11, Yonatan Ben-Ari <yrcdi@netvision.net.il> wrote:

Does anyone know of any connection between the SCHATKES family
and Pinsk &/or Karlin?
BS"D

There is a YOFFE/YAFFE/JAFFE family history buff in Tel Aviv.
Perhaps someone in the Group remembers her name. I will dig
through my old emails to find her.

All the best,

Raanan Isseroff

[Moderator's Note: Please respond privately and make sure to include
Yonatan Ben-Ari on the list of adressees (see above for his address).
Current JewishGen policy does not allow us to distribute third party
e-mail addresses, even if the owners of those addresses have given
their consent to you and the moderator.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: SCHATZKES and YOFFE families #rabbinic

raanan1@...
 

On 2004.01.11, Yonatan Ben-Ari <yrcdi@netvision.net.il> wrote:

Does anyone know of any connection between the SCHATKES family
and Pinsk &/or Karlin?
BS"D

There is a YOFFE/YAFFE/JAFFE family history buff in Tel Aviv.
Perhaps someone in the Group remembers her name. I will dig
through my old emails to find her.

All the best,

Raanan Isseroff

[Moderator's Note: Please respond privately and make sure to include
Yonatan Ben-Ari on the list of adressees (see above for his address).
Current JewishGen policy does not allow us to distribute third party
e-mail addresses, even if the owners of those addresses have given
their consent to you and the moderator.]


SITE CITE - Cemetery in BRESLAU, et al (in German) #germany

wlfrank <wlfrank@...>
 

I received an email >from Egon HOECKER of Berlin (in German) announcing the
availability of a web page devoted to the Jewish Cemetery of BRESLAU.

170 gravesites are cited. There are future plans to include biographies
of the former Jewish citizens. He requested that JewishGen be so informed.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/history/jfh/

[This page has a list of FAMILY NAMES]

In addition, there is an addressbook facility to identify Jews >from the period
1809. Hoecker gives two examples.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/ab/1809/?lastname=Guttentag

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/ab/1809/?lastname=Fr%E4nkel

[Moderator note: The Fränkel link (above) works in spite of the unusual spelling}

Hoecker's email address is Egon.Hoecker@t-online.de

Werner L. FRANK Calabasas, CA USA (GerSig Coordinator)

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in German. At the GerSig website "Resources" page
are links to web translation tools.


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE - Cemetery in BRESLAU, et al (in German) #germany

wlfrank <wlfrank@...>
 

I received an email >from Egon HOECKER of Berlin (in German) announcing the
availability of a web page devoted to the Jewish Cemetery of BRESLAU.

170 gravesites are cited. There are future plans to include biographies
of the former Jewish citizens. He requested that JewishGen be so informed.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/history/jfh/

[This page has a list of FAMILY NAMES]

In addition, there is an addressbook facility to identify Jews >from the period
1809. Hoecker gives two examples.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/ab/1809/?lastname=Guttentag

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/ab/1809/?lastname=Fr%E4nkel

[Moderator note: The Fränkel link (above) works in spite of the unusual spelling}

Hoecker's email address is Egon.Hoecker@t-online.de

Werner L. FRANK Calabasas, CA USA (GerSig Coordinator)

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in German. At the GerSig website "Resources" page
are links to web translation tools.


Viewmate Translation Request #germany

Henry <hmsinai@...>
 

Dear All,
I have posted a document written in 1580 (yes 1580) in very difficult to
read German Script.
I would appreciate help in receiving assistance in converting to modern
German and/or translating the document.

I have split the document into 4 parts.
The viewmate links are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3412
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3413
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3414
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3415
Please respond directly to me. Thank you in advance.

Henry Sinai in Israel hmsinai@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: We always require both city and state (or nation) in the
signature of messages posted here. If you have privacy issues we accept,
for example, "rural Idaho", "suburban Israel", "university town, Germany"


German SIG #Germany Viewmate Translation Request #germany

Henry <hmsinai@...>
 

Dear All,
I have posted a document written in 1580 (yes 1580) in very difficult to
read German Script.
I would appreciate help in receiving assistance in converting to modern
German and/or translating the document.

I have split the document into 4 parts.
The viewmate links are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3412
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3413
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3414
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3415
Please respond directly to me. Thank you in advance.

Henry Sinai in Israel hmsinai@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: We always require both city and state (or nation) in the
signature of messages posted here. If you have privacy issues we accept,
for example, "rural Idaho", "suburban Israel", "university town, Germany"


1912 Bohemian phone book available #germany

Joan Krieger <kriegz@...>
 

I have a copy of a 1912 adress book >from the towns of Theresienstadt,
Lobositz and Auscha GERMAN NAMES)CZ.

If anyone thinks that information in this book might be helpful please
let me know.

Joan Krieger Smithtown NY Kriegz@optonline.net


German SIG #Germany 1912 Bohemian phone book available #germany

Joan Krieger <kriegz@...>
 

I have a copy of a 1912 adress book >from the towns of Theresienstadt,
Lobositz and Auscha GERMAN NAMES)CZ.

If anyone thinks that information in this book might be helpful please
let me know.

Joan Krieger Smithtown NY Kriegz@optonline.net


Info re Henry Edelman #lithuania

Hensal <hensal@...>
 

My thanks to Andy Cassel for helping me join the Keidan Group.
Unfortunately my late father never told me much about his life back in
Keidan so I am now trying to trace back his ancestry.
Our family history is as follows:
Father: Known as Woolf(Zev)Edelman born 24 May 1902, Keidan son of Henry
Edelman and Minne Merkel.Emigrated to South Africa 1929, my mother Sonia
Michle Esrachowitz only followed him in 1931, they settled in Johannesburg
and I was born 27 July 1932.
My father's 2 sisters followed to South Africa, Chaia and Chava. Chaia went
from Keidan 1919 to Palestine, married and went to Australia and later to
South Africa.My dad recorded my name as Hennech Edelman on my birth
certificate and only after finishing school he informed me that my name
should be Henry Jacob, so I had my name changed.
I would mention that there was a large Keidan Society group in Johannesburg
between 1940 -1980 but unfortunately I have no info about the group.
I married Sally Rabinowitz May 1958 and we have 3 children,one living in
South Africa and two in New Zealand.I qualified as a pharmacist 1956, worked
as Production Manager/Managing Director of a Danish Pharmaceutical Plant in
South Africa called Novo Nordisk.
My daughter married a Kiwi and left for New Zealand, she has 3 children. My
youngest son and wife also emigrated to NZ and they have 2 children.When I
retired fron Novo after 32 years we also emigrated to NZ in June 1994.
This is just a brief picture about my family and I look forward to gaining
more info in the future.
Of my late father's family only he and his 2 sisters survived to the best of
my knowledge, I think he came >from a family of 6 or 7 children.
If I can help with further info I can be contacted by e-mail at:
hensal@clear.net.nz
Thanks,
Henry Edelman


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania Info re Henry Edelman #lithuania

Hensal <hensal@...>
 

My thanks to Andy Cassel for helping me join the Keidan Group.
Unfortunately my late father never told me much about his life back in
Keidan so I am now trying to trace back his ancestry.
Our family history is as follows:
Father: Known as Woolf(Zev)Edelman born 24 May 1902, Keidan son of Henry
Edelman and Minne Merkel.Emigrated to South Africa 1929, my mother Sonia
Michle Esrachowitz only followed him in 1931, they settled in Johannesburg
and I was born 27 July 1932.
My father's 2 sisters followed to South Africa, Chaia and Chava. Chaia went
from Keidan 1919 to Palestine, married and went to Australia and later to
South Africa.My dad recorded my name as Hennech Edelman on my birth
certificate and only after finishing school he informed me that my name
should be Henry Jacob, so I had my name changed.
I would mention that there was a large Keidan Society group in Johannesburg
between 1940 -1980 but unfortunately I have no info about the group.
I married Sally Rabinowitz May 1958 and we have 3 children,one living in
South Africa and two in New Zealand.I qualified as a pharmacist 1956, worked
as Production Manager/Managing Director of a Danish Pharmaceutical Plant in
South Africa called Novo Nordisk.
My daughter married a Kiwi and left for New Zealand, she has 3 children. My
youngest son and wife also emigrated to NZ and they have 2 children.When I
retired fron Novo after 32 years we also emigrated to NZ in June 1994.
This is just a brief picture about my family and I look forward to gaining
more info in the future.
Of my late father's family only he and his 2 sisters survived to the best of
my knowledge, I think he came >from a family of 6 or 7 children.
If I can help with further info I can be contacted by e-mail at:
hensal@clear.net.nz
Thanks,
Henry Edelman


Found Naturalization Info on index - Now what? #general

L. Altman <altmanlh@...>
 

I need a clue as to where to look next. In an online database, I found this
record of a family members naturalization record:

New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition Index

Herman Lieberman
191 E. 3rd Street
24 April 1912
Volume # 62
Page # 205

Who do I contact to obtain the full record - NARA, INS, or NY County
Supreme Court? Would the LDS have this microfilmed? Thanks in advance
Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC
altmanlh@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Found Naturalization Info on index - Now what? #general

L. Altman <altmanlh@...>
 

I need a clue as to where to look next. In an online database, I found this
record of a family members naturalization record:

New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition Index

Herman Lieberman
191 E. 3rd Street
24 April 1912
Volume # 62
Page # 205

Who do I contact to obtain the full record - NARA, INS, or NY County
Supreme Court? Would the LDS have this microfilmed? Thanks in advance
Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC
altmanlh@bellsouth.net