Hi,

I have a photo on Viewmate of a relative >from
the town of Makow Maz.(north of Warsaw) who served
in the Russian army in World War I.

Is there anyone out there familiar with
Russian uniforms who could give me any information
on what rank he was or any clue to what
part of the army/service he might have been in?

The picture (Leibl Bordowicz is believed to be
on the left) can be seen at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3194

If you can help with any Russian army ID, please
contact me privately at meyers01@comcast.net

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

researching:
ZYLBERMAN/SILVERMAN/ALLENSTEJN/BRZYSKIER >from Przasnysz/Chorzele
BORDOWITZ >from Przasnysz/Mlawa/Ciechanow/Makow/Pultusk/Wyszkow
MEYEROWITZ/POROSHKIN >from Bolshaya Berestovitsa (Belarus)
KIRSHNER/SIDMAN/BAILIN >from Slavuta/Volhynia/Ukraine
LANDSMAN/FINBERG/PEANEN >from Vilna
ZELMANOVICH/ROZENSZTEIN >from Poland (Przasnysz/Mlawa area?)

Hi,

I have a photo on Viewmate of a relative >from
the town of Makow Maz.(north of Warsaw) who served
in the Russian army in World War I.

Is there anyone out there familiar with
Russian uniforms who could give me any information
on what rank he was or any clue to what
part of the army/service he might have been in?

The picture (Leibl Bordowicz is believed to be
on the left) can be seen at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3194

If you can help with any Russian army ID, please
contact me privately at meyers01@comcast.net

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

researching:
ZYLBERMAN/SILVERMAN/ALLENSTEJN/BRZYSKIER >from Przasnysz/Chorzele
BORDOWITZ >from Przasnysz/Mlawa/Ciechanow/Makow/Pultusk/Wyszkow
MEYEROWITZ/POROSHKIN >from Bolshaya Berestovitsa (Belarus)
KIRSHNER/SIDMAN/BAILIN >from Slavuta/Volhynia/Ukraine
LANDSMAN/FINBERG/PEANEN >from Vilna
ZELMANOVICH/ROZENSZTEIN >from Poland (Przasnysz/Mlawa area?)

Shalom,

I recently joined in order to ask for your advice on tracking down
a family legend. My great-grandfather (circa 1826-1881) was a
physician in Kingston and Ellenville NY. His name in America was
Alexander GIPPERT and various records give his place of birth as
Berlin, Germany. I suspect that he was born under a different
surname, and I have tried unsucessfully to discover what it was
before he came to America (e.g. GEPPERT, GEBHARDT, or even something
unrelated).

According to somewhat conflicting family legends, his family was

from Alsace and his brother was a rabbi in Berlin. I am wondering if

there is any way to find out who were the rabbis in Berlin in the
mid-to-late 19th century. I have written to the Centrum Judaicum,
but they did not find any GIPPERT. At this point, I would just like
to learn the names of as many Berlin (and surrounding area) rabbis
as possible >from the period . It is also possible that he was merely
trained in Berlin and sent out to be a rabbi elsewhere. It is also
possible -- this being a family legend -- that he worked at a
synagogue in some other capacity.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,
Victoria Barkoff
Montreal, Canada

Shalom,

I recently joined in order to ask for your advice on tracking down
a family legend. My great-grandfather (circa 1826-1881) was a
physician in Kingston and Ellenville NY. His name in America was
Alexander GIPPERT and various records give his place of birth as
Berlin, Germany. I suspect that he was born under a different
surname, and I have tried unsucessfully to discover what it was
before he came to America (e.g. GEPPERT, GEBHARDT, or even something
unrelated).

According to somewhat conflicting family legends, his family was

from Alsace and his brother was a rabbi in Berlin. I am wondering if

there is any way to find out who were the rabbis in Berlin in the
mid-to-late 19th century. I have written to the Centrum Judaicum,
but they did not find any GIPPERT. At this point, I would just like
to learn the names of as many Berlin (and surrounding area) rabbis
as possible >from the period . It is also possible that he was merely
trained in Berlin and sent out to be a rabbi elsewhere. It is also
possible -- this being a family legend -- that he worked at a
synagogue in some other capacity.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,
Victoria Barkoff
Montreal, Canada

I am thinking of tracing the descendants of the Kotsker Rebbe, Rabbi
Menachem Mendel MORGENSTERN (1787-1859). I, myself, am a descendant.
Although much of the family perished in the Holocaust, I am certain
there are dozens of other descendants around the world.

Before consulting Polish civil records, I'm looking at various
published genealogical sources. Thus far, I've used Sefer Kedoshim
[in Yiddish] by the late Menashe Unger (New York: Schulsinger
Brothers, 1967), a sincere work, but riddled with errors. >from one
of the MORGENSTERN descendants in Chicago, I obtained a copy of the
re-issued and privately published Ateret Tzvi by Rabbi Tzvi Hirsh
MORGENSTERN (1858-1925), great-grandson of the alter Kotsker Rebbe,
a Torah commentary with a genealogical appendix.

I am aware of Sefer Kotsk by Yehuda Leib Levin published in Israel
some years ago, but have not yet seen it. I would like to ask those
who have used this book what they think of it. Did Levin consult
original sources? How accurate and reliable is the book?

Phillip Applebaum
Oak Park, Michigan
USA

I am thinking of tracing the descendants of the Kotsker Rebbe, Rabbi
Menachem Mendel MORGENSTERN (1787-1859). I, myself, am a descendant.
Although much of the family perished in the Holocaust, I am certain
there are dozens of other descendants around the world.

Before consulting Polish civil records, I'm looking at various
published genealogical sources. Thus far, I've used Sefer Kedoshim
[in Yiddish] by the late Menashe Unger (New York: Schulsinger
Brothers, 1967), a sincere work, but riddled with errors. >from one
of the MORGENSTERN descendants in Chicago, I obtained a copy of the
re-issued and privately published Ateret Tzvi by Rabbi Tzvi Hirsh
MORGENSTERN (1858-1925), great-grandson of the alter Kotsker Rebbe,
a Torah commentary with a genealogical appendix.

I am aware of Sefer Kotsk by Yehuda Leib Levin published in Israel
some years ago, but have not yet seen it. I would like to ask those
who have used this book what they think of it. Did Levin consult
original sources? How accurate and reliable is the book?

Phillip Applebaum
Oak Park, Michigan
USA

BS"D
George Shalom,
Reb Hillel was a Lubavitcher Chossid. It is not unulikely that his
descendents are Chabadniks too (or some other kind of Chassidim). If so,
then it may well be they do not have email (a new thing in the religious
community) and you should then check the phone lists on the internet for
New York and Israel. There may be some global way of doing the USA
(perhaps for pay) otherwise one is stuck going state by state.
All the best,
Raanan Isseroff
Brooklyn

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:36 -0500 "George Mallen"
<georgemallen@rogers.com> writes:

Hello everyone,

This is my first time communicating with this group, but I have read
your exchanges for several months. I have been researching the
family name MALISOFF or MALISOV. My research is relatively well
documented back to the mid 1800s. Currently there are 12 families
all beginning between 1820 and 1840, but no connections between the
families.

I found a Rabbi Hillel MALISOV on the Net, but cannot find any
children. All of my MALISOVs originated in the areas described
below. Below is a brief bio found on the internet.

Biographical note: Rabbi Hillel MALISOV, known as "Reb Hillel of
Paritch," was born in Khometz, Russia in 1795. In his youth, he was
a follower of Rabbi Mordechai of Chernobel, but was drawn toward
Chabad Chassidism by his study of Tanya and an encounter with
Chabad's founder, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi. In 1815 he began to
travel regularly Rabbi Schneur Zalman's successor, Rabbi DovBer of
Lubavitch and, after the latter's passing, was a chassid of the
third Rebbe of Chabad, Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Lubavitch. Rabbi
Hillel served as rabbi in the towns of Paritch and Babroisk. He
passed away in Kherson in 1864. He is the author of Pelach HaRimon,
a book of Chassidic philosophy.

I can find a lot of material on his philosophy but little on his
life. I know he was married and his father was Meir Halevi MALISOV.

Any help or suggestions on how to close the gap between the 12
families and Rabbi MALISOV would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help

George Mallen
Toronto, Canada

========================================================================

Dear Raanan,

Please respond privately, as your response does not seem to be of
general interest to our group.

Jake Goldstein
RavSIG Discussion List Manager

BS"D
George Shalom,
Reb Hillel was a Lubavitcher Chossid. It is not unulikely that his
descendents are Chabadniks too (or some other kind of Chassidim). If so,
then it may well be they do not have email (a new thing in the religious
community) and you should then check the phone lists on the internet for
New York and Israel. There may be some global way of doing the USA
(perhaps for pay) otherwise one is stuck going state by state.
All the best,
Raanan Isseroff
Brooklyn

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:36 -0500 "George Mallen"
<georgemallen@rogers.com> writes:

Hello everyone,

This is my first time communicating with this group, but I have read
your exchanges for several months. I have been researching the
family name MALISOFF or MALISOV. My research is relatively well
documented back to the mid 1800s. Currently there are 12 families
all beginning between 1820 and 1840, but no connections between the
families.

I found a Rabbi Hillel MALISOV on the Net, but cannot find any
children. All of my MALISOVs originated in the areas described
below. Below is a brief bio found on the internet.

Biographical note: Rabbi Hillel MALISOV, known as "Reb Hillel of
Paritch," was born in Khometz, Russia in 1795. In his youth, he was
a follower of Rabbi Mordechai of Chernobel, but was drawn toward
Chabad Chassidism by his study of Tanya and an encounter with
Chabad's founder, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi. In 1815 he began to
travel regularly Rabbi Schneur Zalman's successor, Rabbi DovBer of
Lubavitch and, after the latter's passing, was a chassid of the
third Rebbe of Chabad, Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Lubavitch. Rabbi
Hillel served as rabbi in the towns of Paritch and Babroisk. He
passed away in Kherson in 1864. He is the author of Pelach HaRimon,
a book of Chassidic philosophy.

I can find a lot of material on his philosophy but little on his
life. I know he was married and his father was Meir Halevi MALISOV.

Any help or suggestions on how to close the gap between the 12
families and Rabbi MALISOV would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help

George Mallen
Toronto, Canada

========================================================================

Dear Raanan,

Please respond privately, as your response does not seem to be of
general interest to our group.

Jake Goldstein
RavSIG Discussion List Manager

On Dec. 9 03, David Kriger (dssd.kriger@sympatico.ca)
asked for a photograph of the Synagogue in Katowice.

A google search turned up two views of this
imposing synagogue at:

http://www.edwardvictor.com/KatowiceFrame2Source1.htm

The first view shows a domed church in the distance.
The second shows a view juxtaposed with the large
church on the opposite side of the street.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

On Dec. 9 03, David Kriger (dssd.kriger@sympatico.ca)
asked for a photograph of the Synagogue in Katowice.

A google search turned up two views of this
imposing synagogue at:

http://www.edwardvictor.com/KatowiceFrame2Source1.htm

The first view shows a domed church in the distance.
The second shows a view juxtaposed with the large
church on the opposite side of the street.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Birth, marriage, death and divorce records for the
town of Moletai in the Vilna District of Lithuania
are in our hands and ready to be translated!
These records are bound to forward the research
of those of you with ties to this area. The records
include the years 1854-1872, and 1892-1895.
Please contact me as soon as possible to find
out how you can help to get this important
information translated!

Cheryl Sofer
Coordinator, Moletai Vital Records Translation
csofer@optonline.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

Birth, marriage, death and divorce records for the
town of Moletai in the Vilna District of Lithuania
are in our hands and ready to be translated!
These records are bound to forward the research
of those of you with ties to this area. The records
include the years 1854-1872, and 1892-1895.
Please contact me as soon as possible to find
out how you can help to get this important
information translated!

Cheryl Sofer
Coordinator, Moletai Vital Records Translation
csofer@optonline.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately

Ellis Island Database with the help of Stephen Morse
give 8 Futtersacks.The White Pages(People Search )
do not yield any results. i presume that digging in the
EIDB manifests might be a good lead.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Ellis Island Database with the help of Stephen Morse
give 8 Futtersacks.The White Pages(People Search )
do not yield any results. i presume that digging in the
EIDB manifests might be a good lead.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Good morning Genners,

In 1906 Betti age 50 (widow) with Blima age 24
and son Abram age 9 months all with surname
WEINTRAUB arrive in the U.S.A. to travel onwards
to son/husband/father Jacob WEINTRAUB in
Pittsburgh (the address is on the ships manifest
but I cannot fathom it out).

Ethnicity is given as German but place of residence
was Galatz. Galatz was in Romania and I am
trying to make connections with my Weintraubs >from
Galatz - perhaps they came >from Germany too?

If any of the above names are in your family tree
please contact me.

Thank you all.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching:-

NADLER - Botosani / Mihaileni - Romania / Philadelphia U.S.A.
WEINTRAUB - Galatz - Romania
KATZ - Piatra Neamt / Bacau - Romania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send family information privately

Good morning Genners,

In 1906 Betti age 50 (widow) with Blima age 24
and son Abram age 9 months all with surname
WEINTRAUB arrive in the U.S.A. to travel onwards
to son/husband/father Jacob WEINTRAUB in
Pittsburgh (the address is on the ships manifest
but I cannot fathom it out).

Ethnicity is given as German but place of residence
was Galatz. Galatz was in Romania and I am
trying to make connections with my Weintraubs >from
Galatz - perhaps they came >from Germany too?

If any of the above names are in your family tree
please contact me.

Thank you all.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching:-

NADLER - Botosani / Mihaileni - Romania / Philadelphia U.S.A.
WEINTRAUB - Galatz - Romania
KATZ - Piatra Neamt / Bacau - Romania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send family information privately

Ralph Baer posted as follows:

"My fourth great-grandfather Gump (Mordochai in Hebrew) ROSENBERG was born
in an unknown place, but probably Lichenroth (now part of Birstein), on 20
April 1780. He died in Lichenroth on 31 May 1860."

The Yiddish nickname "Gump" may look a bit strange to some people, but the
use by Ralph's g-grandfather points to a fact that may not be recognized
by researchers, but which is important.

The Yiddish nickname Gump is a diminutive of the Yiddish name Gumpl,
widely used by Jews in Germany as a kinui for the Hebrew name Mordechay.

Thus, this man undoubtedly had Gumpl as his formal Yiddish name, Mordechay
as his formal Hebrew name, and Gump as at least one Yiddish nickname. For
the purpose of calling him to the Tora for an aliya, he would have been
referred to as "Mordechay Gumpl ben Ploni", Ploni meaning some person (his
father). And if he and his wife had been divorced, his name would have
been written in the Get as "Mordechay hamechune Gumpl", or "Mordechay who
is called Gumpl".

The same remarks can also be made about two other names mentioned in
Ralph's posting: Mordekhai and Marx: Mordekhai hamechune Marx.

Why is this important to Jewish researchers? Because it shows that this
person was known by different names in different venues, and knowing all
the possible names (like Gump) that he used and that were linked to his
formal, legal name would be very helpful in genealogical research.

The JewishGen Given Names Data Base for Germany can be found at the URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

and will provide a searcher with other linked names which could have been
used by an ancestor, and which may also be found in various archival
documents.

Professor G. L. Esterson Ra'anana, Israel

Ralph Baer posted as follows:

"My fourth great-grandfather Gump (Mordochai in Hebrew) ROSENBERG was born
in an unknown place, but probably Lichenroth (now part of Birstein), on 20
April 1780. He died in Lichenroth on 31 May 1860."

The Yiddish nickname "Gump" may look a bit strange to some people, but the
use by Ralph's g-grandfather points to a fact that may not be recognized
by researchers, but which is important.

The Yiddish nickname Gump is a diminutive of the Yiddish name Gumpl,
widely used by Jews in Germany as a kinui for the Hebrew name Mordechay.

Thus, this man undoubtedly had Gumpl as his formal Yiddish name, Mordechay
as his formal Hebrew name, and Gump as at least one Yiddish nickname. For
the purpose of calling him to the Tora for an aliya, he would have been
referred to as "Mordechay Gumpl ben Ploni", Ploni meaning some person (his
father). And if he and his wife had been divorced, his name would have
been written in the Get as "Mordechay hamechune Gumpl", or "Mordechay who
is called Gumpl".

The same remarks can also be made about two other names mentioned in
Ralph's posting: Mordekhai and Marx: Mordekhai hamechune Marx.

Why is this important to Jewish researchers? Because it shows that this
person was known by different names in different venues, and knowing all
the possible names (like Gump) that he used and that were linked to his
formal, legal name would be very helpful in genealogical research.

The JewishGen Given Names Data Base for Germany can be found at the URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

and will provide a searcher with other linked names which could have been
used by an ancestor, and which may also be found in various archival
documents.

Professor G. L. Esterson Ra'anana, Israel

A Theodore Alexander RINDSKOPF b 16 April 1849 and died 29th November
1893 married into my Hirschheimer family -
he married Pauline HIRSCHHEIMER who was born on 18th December 1857
probably in Lehrensteinsfeld.
I have a whole family tree of this branch of the Rindskopf family.

Barbara Held, Toronto, Canada

Researching:

HIRSCHHEIMER, Lehrensteinsfeld/Ulm; KAHN, Baissingen; ROSENSTOCK, Rollbach;
HAMMERSCHLAG, Harmuthsachsen; HELD, Kulsheim/Leipzig; STEIN, Reichensachsen

A Theodore Alexander RINDSKOPF b 16 April 1849 and died 29th November
1893 married into my Hirschheimer family -
he married Pauline HIRSCHHEIMER who was born on 18th December 1857
probably in Lehrensteinsfeld.
I have a whole family tree of this branch of the Rindskopf family.

Barbara Held, Toronto, Canada

Researching:

HIRSCHHEIMER, Lehrensteinsfeld/Ulm; KAHN, Baissingen; ROSENSTOCK, Rollbach;
HAMMERSCHLAG, Harmuthsachsen; HELD, Kulsheim/Leipzig; STEIN, Reichensachsen