Dear Researchers,

For those of you who are researching Zgierz, Poland I think you'll be
interested in this contact in Poland. The director of the Museum there is
willing and eager to provide information and share historical documents
about the Jews in this town. His contact information is Marcin (Martin)
Czaplicki at marcin.czaplicki@polkomtel.com.pl
I heard >from Marcin once before when he noticed a few errors about the
identity of some picture postcards listed on the LARG site. He seems very
eager to gather and share information for his town of Zgierz.

I was working for a long while with the director of the Belchatow
Museum--until his sudden and untimely death at 54 years of age. He never
asked for payment---was happy to research the history of the Jews in
Belchatow and thrilled the information was put on the ShtetLinks site. He
provided me with old photographs, articles, Jewish election and synagogue
lists, etc. I hope you can have the same enriching experience by working
with Marcin.

Let me know. I would hate to miss this opportunity to gain information
about the town.

Regards,
Roni

(Roni Seibel Liebowitz)
New York
LARG Co-coordinator http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink Coordinator
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project Coordinator
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
JRI-Poland Board Member http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/
________________________________

Dear Researchers,

For those of you who are researching Zgierz, Poland I think you'll be
interested in this contact in Poland. The director of the Museum there is
willing and eager to provide information and share historical documents
about the Jews in this town. His contact information is Marcin (Martin)
Czaplicki at marcin.czaplicki@polkomtel.com.pl
I heard >from Marcin once before when he noticed a few errors about the
identity of some picture postcards listed on the LARG site. He seems very
eager to gather and share information for his town of Zgierz.

I was working for a long while with the director of the Belchatow
Museum--until his sudden and untimely death at 54 years of age. He never
asked for payment---was happy to research the history of the Jews in
Belchatow and thrilled the information was put on the ShtetLinks site. He
provided me with old photographs, articles, Jewish election and synagogue
lists, etc. I hope you can have the same enriching experience by working
with Marcin.

Let me know. I would hate to miss this opportunity to gain information
about the town.

Regards,
Roni

(Roni Seibel Liebowitz)
New York
LARG Co-coordinator http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink Coordinator
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project Coordinator
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
JRI-Poland Board Member http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/
________________________________

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary Hellman

1 Mary Hellman b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip Birkhahn b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille Freidberg b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary Hellman

1 Mary Hellman b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip Birkhahn b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille Freidberg b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

On Oct.4,03 Jim Bennet asked about the B-M-D records he'd on a site regarding
Novogrudok Metrical Records. He wonderd what "Israelites" meant in this
context.

On Oct.5, 03 Elena Smirnova gave an explanation , but still posed the
question what was meant by the word "Israelites."

On Oct.7, 03 Steve Orlen suggested that "Israelites" might refer to what is
called in English "Old Believers." But this was a Christian sect also which
was also known as "Old Ritualists."

Like members of many several official religious, like Protestantism,
Catholicism other Christian sects like the Subbotniks, Skoptsy (Castrati), Molokans,
Dukhobors, and also Muslims and peoples of other religous concepts, Old
Believers were persecuted by the Tsars and after the Revolution they were not
treated any more sympathetically by the atheistic Soviet regime than were the Jews.
(For a time, before the Revolution, the German Mennonites who set up
farming communities were appreciated for their skills, sobriety and cleanliness.)
Karaites were also of Jewish belief, but rejected the Talmud.

There were two sorts of Old Believers. Some maintained respect of the
sacraments and priests and the others who did not. However, Old Believers were
not, it seems, Jewish in origin. They simply did not subscribe to all the tenets
and rituals of the Russian Orthodox Church. It may be that Mr. Orlen also was
thinking of Subbotniks, who observed the Sabbath on the same day the Jews did
or maybe he had in mind the Karaites.

It should be borne in mind that Christianity came relatively lately,several
hundred years after Jesus' death, to Russia, and it came >from Byzantium, rather
than >from Rome. Before Christianity arrived most Russians were "pagans."
(And some historians have observed that even during the early part of the
twentieth century pagan notions and rituals survived among Russian peasants along
with their hazy Christian ideas and practices.)

It is possible that the term "Israelites" was the website's translation of a
Belorussian word referring to Jews. But, according to my big Oxford
Russian-English, English-Russian dictionary and other references, a Jew could be
referred to as what I translaterate as an Ebrei (Hebrew) or as a Iudei. There was
also a word often used in Polish or Russian in contempt, "Zydow" like our
"kike," or "Yid," which I doubt would have been used in those church records that
sometimes included records of Jews or converted Jews.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

On Oct.4,03 Jim Bennet asked about the B-M-D records he'd on a site regarding
Novogrudok Metrical Records. He wonderd what "Israelites" meant in this
context.

On Oct.5, 03 Elena Smirnova gave an explanation , but still posed the
question what was meant by the word "Israelites."

On Oct.7, 03 Steve Orlen suggested that "Israelites" might refer to what is
called in English "Old Believers." But this was a Christian sect also which
was also known as "Old Ritualists."

Like members of many several official religious, like Protestantism,
Catholicism other Christian sects like the Subbotniks, Skoptsy (Castrati), Molokans,
Dukhobors, and also Muslims and peoples of other religous concepts, Old
Believers were persecuted by the Tsars and after the Revolution they were not
treated any more sympathetically by the atheistic Soviet regime than were the Jews.
(For a time, before the Revolution, the German Mennonites who set up
farming communities were appreciated for their skills, sobriety and cleanliness.)
Karaites were also of Jewish belief, but rejected the Talmud.

There were two sorts of Old Believers. Some maintained respect of the
sacraments and priests and the others who did not. However, Old Believers were
not, it seems, Jewish in origin. They simply did not subscribe to all the tenets
and rituals of the Russian Orthodox Church. It may be that Mr. Orlen also was
thinking of Subbotniks, who observed the Sabbath on the same day the Jews did
or maybe he had in mind the Karaites.

It should be borne in mind that Christianity came relatively lately,several
hundred years after Jesus' death, to Russia, and it came >from Byzantium, rather
than >from Rome. Before Christianity arrived most Russians were "pagans."
(And some historians have observed that even during the early part of the
twentieth century pagan notions and rituals survived among Russian peasants along
with their hazy Christian ideas and practices.)

It is possible that the term "Israelites" was the website's translation of a
Belorussian word referring to Jews. But, according to my big Oxford
Russian-English, English-Russian dictionary and other references, a Jew could be
referred to as what I translaterate as an Ebrei (Hebrew) or as a Iudei. There was
also a word often used in Polish or Russian in contempt, "Zydow" like our
"kike," or "Yid," which I doubt would have been used in those church records that
sometimes included records of Jews or converted Jews.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa,St. Petersburg and
Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk,
Berdichev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Henry Fryde (appx 90 yrs old, real age unknown) formerly of Lodz and a
Holocaust survivor died Friday, November 28, 2003 in Skokie, Illinois. He
was the husband of the late Fela and the father to three daughters Rena
(Leonard Dolins), Carol (Charles Stolberg), and Sue (Craig Gordon).

Grandchildren include Roberta Dolins (great-grandchildren Jordan and
Stephanie), Arthur (Patricia) Dolins (great-grandchildren Sara and Michael),
Steven (Jenny) Dolins (great-grandchildren Zachary and Sydney).

Also, Adam (Samantha) Stolberg, Jeremy (Alissa) Stolberg, and Robin
Stolberg.

Also, Andrew, Brittany, and Danielle Gordon.

Henry and his wife escaped Germany with two small children (an infant son
died) and emigrated to Whitewater, Wisconsin before settling in Skokie,
Illinois.


Information provided by Samantha Stolberg (granddaughter-in-law)

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Henry Fryde (appx 90 yrs old, real age unknown) formerly of Lodz and a
Holocaust survivor died Friday, November 28, 2003 in Skokie, Illinois. He
was the husband of the late Fela and the father to three daughters Rena
(Leonard Dolins), Carol (Charles Stolberg), and Sue (Craig Gordon).

Grandchildren include Roberta Dolins (great-grandchildren Jordan and
Stephanie), Arthur (Patricia) Dolins (great-grandchildren Sara and Michael),
Steven (Jenny) Dolins (great-grandchildren Zachary and Sydney).

Also, Adam (Samantha) Stolberg, Jeremy (Alissa) Stolberg, and Robin
Stolberg.

Also, Andrew, Brittany, and Danielle Gordon.

Henry and his wife escaped Germany with two small children (an infant son
died) and emigrated to Whitewater, Wisconsin before settling in Skokie,
Illinois.


Information provided by Samantha Stolberg (granddaughter-in-law)

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TournesolDear FrenchSig friends,

Dottie Miller mentions that in the list of names she's researching amongst
others, BLOCH >from Westhoffen.
My mother and her brothers and sisters were born in BALBRONN (Alsace,
France) -about 3 kilometers >from Westhoffen-, but lived for a long period in
Westhoffen.
I am very interested to know if those two BLOCH families are the same, are
connected or not.
Robert Stern, Eaubonne, France
robert.stern@wanadoo.fr

TournesolDear FrenchSig friends,

Dottie Miller mentions that in the list of names she's researching amongst
others, BLOCH >from Westhoffen.
My mother and her brothers and sisters were born in BALBRONN (Alsace,
France) -about 3 kilometers >from Westhoffen-, but lived for a long period in
Westhoffen.
I am very interested to know if those two BLOCH families are the same, are
connected or not.
Robert Stern, Eaubonne, France
robert.stern@wanadoo.fr

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3197
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3198

The above URL link to two related documents, first a letter in Yiddish
written in 1931 sent >from Berlin to my ggfather in Chicago. ggfather did
not understand Yiddish. He immigrated in 1891. The second, of which I
have only page 1, is in English and is the only know clue of my Jewish
ancestry. I am hoping that the Yiddish letter will provide more
information. I've been told that it was written by my ggfather's sister
in law, Beile, but that's about all I know or even suspect.

If the above links do not work go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html and view documents VM3197
and VM3198. I've heard >from a distant cousin that this may lead to
learning the identity of a relative lost durint the Holocaust. Based on
the context of the letter in English, this is not hard to understand.
The letter was sent >from Berlin in 1937.

Thanks in advance for any help unraveling this family historymystery.
--
***Ken Browne clacking the keys in Old Sturbridge Village,Massachusetts***

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3197
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3198

The above URL link to two related documents, first a letter in Yiddish
written in 1931 sent >from Berlin to my ggfather in Chicago. ggfather did
not understand Yiddish. He immigrated in 1891. The second, of which I
have only page 1, is in English and is the only know clue of my Jewish
ancestry. I am hoping that the Yiddish letter will provide more
information. I've been told that it was written by my ggfather's sister
in law, Beile, but that's about all I know or even suspect.

If the above links do not work go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html and view documents VM3197
and VM3198. I've heard >from a distant cousin that this may lead to
learning the identity of a relative lost durint the Holocaust. Based on
the context of the letter in English, this is not hard to understand.
The letter was sent >from Berlin in 1937.

Thanks in advance for any help unraveling this family historymystery.
--
***Ken Browne clacking the keys in Old Sturbridge Village,Massachusetts***

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear Roni,

It was wonderful reading of your genealogy victory. It gives all of us
researchers hope and the message is: be creative, be open, try to think "out
of the box."

Thanks for sharing,
Fraida Cohen

Dear Roni,

It was wonderful reading of your genealogy victory. It gives all of us
researchers hope and the message is: be creative, be open, try to think "out
of the box."

Thanks for sharing,
Fraida Cohen

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary HELLMAN

1 Mary HELLMAN b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip BIRKHAHN b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille FREIDBERG b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

This is additional information re our search, and, hopefully, will enable a
genner to give us a contact name and email address.

Descendants of Mary HELLMAN

1 Mary HELLMAN b: Abt. 1865
.. +Phillip BIRKHAHN b: Abt. 1858
..... 2 Augusta Birkhahn Burial: Miami Dade, FL b: June 24, 1888 d: May
1984
......... +Herman "Harry" Freidberg b: July 12, 1890 d: February 1967
............ 3 Lucille FREIDBERG b: Abt. 1908
................ +Henry Davis b: Abt. 1906
............ 3 Milton Freidberg b: August 10, 1912 d: May 1961
............ 3 Ruth Freidberg b: Abt. 1915
............ 3 Rena Freidberg b: Abt. 1922

Thank you again!
Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Max HELLMAN's sister was Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN. We understand that Mary had
a daughter. Does anyone know anything about her? Her name, married name,
husband's name, etc.

We would very much like to be able to contact Mary's daughter so that we
can add information to the JACOBS family Tree. Max HELLMAN was married to
my aun Annie JACOBS.

Please reply privately. If you should know her, please feel free to give
her my email address.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph & Rachel JACOBS Family Connections:
EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF

Max HELLMAN's sister was Mary HELLMAN BIRKAHN. We understand that Mary had
a daughter. Does anyone know anything about her? Her name, married name,
husband's name, etc.

We would very much like to be able to contact Mary's daughter so that we
can add information to the JACOBS family Tree. Max HELLMAN was married to
my aun Annie JACOBS.

Please reply privately. If you should know her, please feel free to give
her my email address.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph & Rachel JACOBS Family Connections:
EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF

Here is the only Rindskopf in my database, with focus on the Fuerth area.
Obviously a peripheral entry in my family tree.

Seligman "Selka" RINDSKOPF was born on 9 Mar 1797. He died on 26 Jun 1850.
Seligman married Babette ARNSTEIN daughter of Seckel ARNSTEIN and
Schoenchen BRUELL on 30 Nov 1818. Babette was born in 1799 in Sulzbach. She
died on 19 Dec 1868.

GeorgeA in Washington, DC Return address is: garnstein@calalum.org

Here is the only Rindskopf in my database, with focus on the Fuerth area.
Obviously a peripheral entry in my family tree.

Seligman "Selka" RINDSKOPF was born on 9 Mar 1797. He died on 26 Jun 1850.
Seligman married Babette ARNSTEIN daughter of Seckel ARNSTEIN and
Schoenchen BRUELL on 30 Nov 1818. Babette was born in 1799 in Sulzbach. She
died on 19 Dec 1868.

GeorgeA in Washington, DC Return address is: garnstein@calalum.org