Dear H-siggers,

Related to my previous post (View Mate: Forced Labor camp in Turia Remete),
my uncle is also looking for survivors of the forced labor camp in
Budakalasz.

Budakalasz was a weapon factory near Budapest. HARBINGER was the officer in
charge between 1943-45. According to my uncle, this unit had only
professional people and skilled workers, working on removing rust on tools
used by the Hungarian and German army.

We are searching for survivors or anyone that might have had relatives
working in this factory, or that can provide information about this camp.

Also, can someone inform me what kind of document(s) a person might have
had at that time?

Thank you,
Margarita

Margarita Lackó

from "the island" in Miami

(JGFF researcher # 11453)
GENEALOGY: © mishpologia@uzidog.com
uzidog2000@yahoo.com

ifj. in front of a name in Hungarian means the younger one, Jr. in English

i think this is an interesting question, and i hope others in the group will add their thoughts/views.

between 1910 and 1920 there was world war 1, and some borders shifted, although i don't think a lot of territory changed hands >from hungary to austria, although i could be wrong. as far as i know, most of the border changes occurred around the perimeters, such as slovakia or transylvania,which were transferred to neighbouring countries like czechoslovakia or romania.

i think a more interesting possibility is that a social change took place, in as much as the immigrants may have felt that "austria" was more prestigious than "hungary" as a place of origin. a more mundane explanation might be that different census takers recorded "austro-hungary" in terms that they understood (americans not being noted for their knowledge of world geography).

in any event, "austro-hungary" once extended over a large area >from galicia in the north to the balkans in the south.


....... tom klein, toronto

"goldhammer" <goldhammer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Dear H-siggers,

As a survivor, my uncle submitted a claim to one of the insurance
companies. Now they are asking for proof.

The only proof he seems to have is a photo which I have posted on View
Mate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html (click "Enter Viewing
Section" and search for file VM3163)
or use the direct link
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3163

You will see a group of men >from the Hungarian Forced Labor camp
(munkaszolgalat) in Turia Remete (Karpatorus, Ukraine), 1942-1943. I would
like to get in touch with survivors or descendants, or anyone that can
provide information about this camp.

Please reply privately at < mishpologia@uzidog.com >

Thanks in advance,
Margarita

Margarita Lackó

from "the island" in Miami

(JGFF researcher # 11453)
GENEALOGY: © mishpologia@uzidog.com
uzidog2000@yahoo.com

Dear H-siggers,

Related to my previous post (View Mate: Forced Labor camp in Turia Remete),
my uncle is also looking for survivors of the forced labor camp in
Budakalasz.

Budakalasz was a weapon factory near Budapest. HARBINGER was the officer in
charge between 1943-45. According to my uncle, this unit had only
professional people and skilled workers, working on removing rust on tools
used by the Hungarian and German army.

We are searching for survivors or anyone that might have had relatives
working in this factory, or that can provide information about this camp.

Also, can someone inform me what kind of document(s) a person might have
had at that time?

Thank you,
Margarita

Margarita Lackó

from "the island" in Miami

(JGFF researcher # 11453)
GENEALOGY: © mishpologia@uzidog.com
uzidog2000@yahoo.com

ifj. in front of a name in Hungarian means the younger one, Jr. in English

i think this is an interesting question, and i hope others in the group will add their thoughts/views.

between 1910 and 1920 there was world war 1, and some borders shifted, although i don't think a lot of territory changed hands >from hungary to austria, although i could be wrong. as far as i know, most of the border changes occurred around the perimeters, such as slovakia or transylvania,which were transferred to neighbouring countries like czechoslovakia or romania.

i think a more interesting possibility is that a social change took place, in as much as the immigrants may have felt that "austria" was more prestigious than "hungary" as a place of origin. a more mundane explanation might be that different census takers recorded "austro-hungary" in terms that they understood (americans not being noted for their knowledge of world geography).

in any event, "austro-hungary" once extended over a large area >from galicia in the north to the balkans in the south.


....... tom klein, toronto

"goldhammer" <goldhammer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Dear H-siggers,

As a survivor, my uncle submitted a claim to one of the insurance
companies. Now they are asking for proof.

The only proof he seems to have is a photo which I have posted on View
Mate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html (click "Enter Viewing
Section" and search for file VM3163)
or use the direct link
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3163

You will see a group of men >from the Hungarian Forced Labor camp
(munkaszolgalat) in Turia Remete (Karpatorus, Ukraine), 1942-1943. I would
like to get in touch with survivors or descendants, or anyone that can
provide information about this camp.

Please reply privately at < mishpologia@uzidog.com >

Thanks in advance,
Margarita

Margarita Lackó

from "the island" in Miami

(JGFF researcher # 11453)
GENEALOGY: © mishpologia@uzidog.com
uzidog2000@yahoo.com

In response to your post:

I need help to look up in 1946 LA and 1949 NY phone directories.
If somebody has access to them please contact me privately.
Thank you,
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
=========================
refquestions @ cityofpasadena . net writes:

You need to contact the Los Angeles Public Library for the Los Angeles
directories:

Los Angeles Public Library
630 W. 5th Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
(213)228-7000

Contact the New York Public Library for their directories:

New York Public Library
476 Fifth Ave.
New York, New York 10018
212-930-0800

I hope this information is useful.

Leslie Eloed
California USA

My maternal great grandparents, Wolf and Elizabeth ROSENFELD lived in
McKeesport >from the 1890's until their death and are buried in the
Gemilis Chesed Cemetery in Versailles, PA. I am reasonably sure that
this was the cemetery >from the Orthodox Schul. I have not been able
to identify exactly where they were born but my grandmother said
Budapest!!. All were fluent in Hungarian.

A paternal uncle, Alex HARTSTEIN married Mollie LICHTENSTEIN whose
parents are buried in the Elrod Cemetery also in Versailles.

Both of these families were orthodox, Hungarian and >from McKeesport,
PA. These cemeteries may be one and the same. I visited the
Gemillis Chesed about 6 years ago and at the time only looked for and
photographed ROSENFELD family member plots.

This is a grey area for me so if you have further insight that would
be appreciated.



At 12:00 AM -0500 11/6/03, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: McKeesport, Pennsylvania Hungarian Jewish Community
From: "Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:48:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

I've recently found that my ggf, Rabbi Joseph Zeisler, was the first
spiritual leader of Temple B'nai Israel in McKeesport, Pennsylvania, USA =
in
1912. It is my understanding that McKeesport once had a very large =
Hungarian
Jewish community. I was wondering if anyone could provide any =
information
regarding the congregation that began in 1912? I've been in contact with =
the
AJA in Cincinnati and the Temple's web site, but I was hoping that there
might be someone here who would have additional information.

Thank you!

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDI, ERNST
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazinc, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, =
Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet

Moderator VK: Robert Perlman, author of Bridging Three Worlds:
Hungarian-Jewish Americans 1848:1914, Has also written a book on
Hungarian Jews in Pennsylvania milltowns called >from Shtetl to
Milltown: Jewish Immigrants in Western Pennsylvania, 1875:1925. I
believe that McKeesport is among the Penn communities covered in
this work.

Barbara Wasser
swass@global2000.net
Niskayuna, NY

In response to your post:

I need help to look up in 1946 LA and 1949 NY phone directories.
If somebody has access to them please contact me privately.
Thank you,
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
=========================
refquestions @ cityofpasadena . net writes:

You need to contact the Los Angeles Public Library for the Los Angeles
directories:

Los Angeles Public Library
630 W. 5th Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
(213)228-7000

Contact the New York Public Library for their directories:

New York Public Library
476 Fifth Ave.
New York, New York 10018
212-930-0800

I hope this information is useful.

Leslie Eloed
California USA

My maternal great grandparents, Wolf and Elizabeth ROSENFELD lived in
McKeesport >from the 1890's until their death and are buried in the
Gemilis Chesed Cemetery in Versailles, PA. I am reasonably sure that
this was the cemetery >from the Orthodox Schul. I have not been able
to identify exactly where they were born but my grandmother said
Budapest!!. All were fluent in Hungarian.

A paternal uncle, Alex HARTSTEIN married Mollie LICHTENSTEIN whose
parents are buried in the Elrod Cemetery also in Versailles.

Both of these families were orthodox, Hungarian and >from McKeesport,
PA. These cemeteries may be one and the same. I visited the
Gemillis Chesed about 6 years ago and at the time only looked for and
photographed ROSENFELD family member plots.

This is a grey area for me so if you have further insight that would
be appreciated.



At 12:00 AM -0500 11/6/03, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: McKeesport, Pennsylvania Hungarian Jewish Community
From: "Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:48:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

I've recently found that my ggf, Rabbi Joseph Zeisler, was the first
spiritual leader of Temple B'nai Israel in McKeesport, Pennsylvania, USA =
in
1912. It is my understanding that McKeesport once had a very large =
Hungarian
Jewish community. I was wondering if anyone could provide any =
information
regarding the congregation that began in 1912? I've been in contact with =
the
AJA in Cincinnati and the Temple's web site, but I was hoping that there
might be someone here who would have additional information.

Thank you!

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDI, ERNST
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazinc, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, =
Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet

Moderator VK: Robert Perlman, author of Bridging Three Worlds:
Hungarian-Jewish Americans 1848:1914, Has also written a book on
Hungarian Jews in Pennsylvania milltowns called >from Shtetl to
Milltown: Jewish Immigrants in Western Pennsylvania, 1875:1925. I
believe that McKeesport is among the Penn communities covered in
this work.

Barbara Wasser
swass@global2000.net
Niskayuna, NY

Hi! There is a wonderful discussion group "Burgenland Bunch" for
genealogical search and
information sharing. To be added to the List, email to <GBerghold@aol.com>
They also have a website..I think it is BurgenlandBunch.com.
Kitty Sauber

Moderator VK: The Province of Burgenland, in the south east of Austria, was formed >from parts of the Hungarian counties (Megye) of Vas, Sopron and Moson following WWI. The URL for the Burgenland Bunch website is http://www.spacestar.com/users/hapander/burgen.html Thanks to Kitty for this lead!

Hi! There is a wonderful discussion group "Burgenland Bunch" for
genealogical search and
information sharing. To be added to the List, email to <GBerghold@aol.com>
They also have a website..I think it is BurgenlandBunch.com.
Kitty Sauber

Moderator VK: The Province of Burgenland, in the south east of Austria, was formed >from parts of the Hungarian counties (Megye) of Vas, Sopron and Moson following WWI. The URL for the Burgenland Bunch website is http://www.spacestar.com/users/hapander/burgen.html Thanks to Kitty for this lead!

Hi Jimena,

My mother's ancestors were BURDMAN and BRONFMAN >from Sikuryaniy in
Bessarabia -- Do those names mean anything to you? I was seeking an
ancestor named Menashe Burdman in Argentina, and hired an excellent
local researcher who is the Argentina rep for Jewish Gen SocietyL


Just one question: sos de boca, o de river?

Best,
Vlad

Vladimir Sinayuk | | Email:
sinayukv@yahoo.com

Hi Jimena,

My mother's ancestors were BURDMAN and BRONFMAN >from Sikuryaniy in
Bessarabia -- Do those names mean anything to you? I was seeking an
ancestor named Menashe Burdman in Argentina, and hired an excellent
local researcher who is the Argentina rep for Jewish Gen SocietyL


Just one question: sos de boca, o de river?

Best,
Vlad

Vladimir Sinayuk | | Email:
sinayukv@yahoo.com

Hi!
I was looking on the web for a surname: Zaliz. And I found several pages
where it is used as a word (not a name). Some of the are polish o r
rumanian. Do you know what it means? Or if it is a word, in wich languaje?
Thanks a lot
Jimena
Jimena Romero Zaliz
Buenos Aires. Argentina
jromero@ar.inter.net

Hi!
I was looking on the web for a surname: Zaliz. And I found several pages
where it is used as a word (not a name). Some of the are polish o r
rumanian. Do you know what it means? Or if it is a word, in wich languaje?
Thanks a lot
Jimena
Jimena Romero Zaliz
Buenos Aires. Argentina
jromero@ar.inter.net

Every place I have looked I have found different ages for my
grandfather. After I translated the Hebrew on his tombstone I determined
his age was 72, his death certificate said 68. On the manifest >from Ellis
Island in 1913 his age was 40, yet on his second trip only seven years
later in 1920 his age was listed as 56. On the 1920 census his age was 45
and ten years later on the 1930 census his age was 52.

Daiv Golden
Belmont, Ca

D. Towie Shapiro - Jassy, Romania
Moshe Shapiro - Jassy, Romania relocated to Austria in 1923
Helen Shapiro - lived in San Francisco, born in Jassy, Romania

Every place I have looked I have found different ages for my
grandfather. After I translated the Hebrew on his tombstone I determined
his age was 72, his death certificate said 68. On the manifest >from Ellis
Island in 1913 his age was 40, yet on his second trip only seven years
later in 1920 his age was listed as 56. On the 1920 census his age was 45
and ten years later on the 1930 census his age was 52.

Daiv Golden
Belmont, Ca

D. Towie Shapiro - Jassy, Romania
Moshe Shapiro - Jassy, Romania relocated to Austria in 1923
Helen Shapiro - lived in San Francisco, born in Jassy, Romania