Rozinoy - Ruzhany
I have also built a shtetl site for Rozinoy.
There is a plot for Chevreh Adath Kedeyshim Anshe Rozinoy - Block 108
I would also appreciate pictures for this shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additions to this sites, please let me know.

A picture of the Holocaust Memorial for Ruzhany in the Holon, Cemetery can
be seen at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/memorial.html
This is part of the project for the 24th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy - July 2004 - Jerusalem.

Rose Feldmlan
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

Rozinoy - Ruzhany
I have also built a shtetl site for Rozinoy.
There is a plot for Chevreh Adath Kedeyshim Anshe Rozinoy - Block 108
I would also appreciate pictures for this shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additions to this sites, please let me know.

A picture of the Holocaust Memorial for Ruzhany in the Holon, Cemetery can
be seen at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/memorial.html
This is part of the project for the 24th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy - July 2004 - Jerusalem.

Rose Feldmlan
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

Mscibow (Amstiviveh)
I have built the shtetl site for Mscibow (Amstibiveh) and was wondering if
there is a sign of any kind designating the Amstiviveh Young Men's Burial
Society or amstiveveh Young Men's Benevolent Association, Inc. Section 2,
Block 3, Map 19. I would appreciate a picture for the shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mscibow/NewMtCarmel.html

Rozinoy - Ruzhany
I have also built a shtetl site for Rozinoy.
There is a plot for Anshei Rozinoy - Section 2, Block 3, Map 22. I would
also appreciate a picture for this shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additions to this sites, please let me know.

Rose Feldmlan
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

Mscibow (Amstiviveh)
I have built the shtetl site for Mscibow (Amstibiveh) and was wondering if
there is a sign of any kind designating the Amstiviveh Young Men's Burial
Society or amstiveveh Young Men's Benevolent Association, Inc. Section 2,
Block 3, Map 19. I would appreciate a picture for the shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mscibow/NewMtCarmel.html

Rozinoy - Ruzhany
I have also built a shtetl site for Rozinoy.
There is a plot for Anshei Rozinoy - Section 2, Block 3, Map 22. I would
also appreciate a picture for this shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additions to this sites, please let me know.

Rose Feldmlan
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

Litin Ukraine
I have built the shtetl site for Litin and was wondering if there is a sign
of any kind designating the Litin-Podolier Plot. I would appreciate a
picture for the shtetl site. I already have a picture of the Holocaust
Memorial there.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin/MtHburial.html
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin/MtHebron.html

Rozinoy- Ruzhany
I have also built a site for Rozinoy. There is also a plot for the Roznoyer
Benevolent Association - Block 114, Path 21.
I would appreciate a picture of any sign there for the shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additional information for these site, I would appreciate
it.

Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

Litin Ukraine
I have built the shtetl site for Litin and was wondering if there is a sign
of any kind designating the Litin-Podolier Plot. I would appreciate a
picture for the shtetl site. I already have a picture of the Holocaust
Memorial there.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin/MtHburial.html
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin/MtHebron.html

Rozinoy- Ruzhany
I have also built a site for Rozinoy. There is also a plot for the Roznoyer
Benevolent Association - Block 114, Path 21.
I would appreciate a picture of any sign there for the shtetl site.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany/BurialNY.html

If you have any additional information for these site, I would appreciate
it.

Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004

I've recently discovered a matriarchal line off my ZYLBERMAN family tree
who were >from Chorzele and Przasnysz. My ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN was
married to Malka BRZYSKIER, whose parents were Chaim Lejb BRZYSKIER and
Laja ALLENSZTEJN. I have been able to follow the ALLENSZTEJNs back to
an Abraham ALLENSZTEJN who would have been born around 1700.

In passing this information along to other relatives, I received a response >from a cousin indicating that the ALLENSZTEJN name, while unknown to her as relatives, was interesting for another reason. She remembered that as a child her aunt had been sent over the prussian border during WWI to escape the hostilities around Chorzele and that her aunt had been taken in by a family in the town of Allenstein (presumably in Prussia/Germany during WWI).

While looking throught shtetl seeker, I find a town of Olsztyn that could
be that town.

Can anyone tell me if this town was in Prussia during WWI or if anyone
else is tracing people >from the town of Olsztyn who may have taken on the
town's name as ALLENSZTEJN?

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

I've recently discovered a matriarchal line off my ZYLBERMAN family tree
who were >from Chorzele and Przasnysz. My ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN was
married to Malka BRZYSKIER, whose parents were Chaim Lejb BRZYSKIER and
Laja ALLENSZTEJN. I have been able to follow the ALLENSZTEJNs back to
an Abraham ALLENSZTEJN who would have been born around 1700.

In passing this information along to other relatives, I received a response >from a cousin indicating that the ALLENSZTEJN name, while unknown to her as relatives, was interesting for another reason. She remembered that as a child her aunt had been sent over the prussian border during WWI to escape the hostilities around Chorzele and that her aunt had been taken in by a family in the town of Allenstein (presumably in Prussia/Germany during WWI).

While looking throught shtetl seeker, I find a town of Olsztyn that could
be that town.

Can anyone tell me if this town was in Prussia during WWI or if anyone
else is tracing people >from the town of Olsztyn who may have taken on the
town's name as ALLENSZTEJN?

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

I have attempted to send messages to Aaron Roetenberg. I have received
rejections >from two apparently old E-mail addresses of his.
I believe that we may be researching the same family.

If you have information about how to contact Aaron, please send private
E-mail to me.

Thank you.
Jeff Miller
Brookeville, MD
SingingTM@aol.com

I have attempted to send messages to Aaron Roetenberg. I have received
rejections >from two apparently old E-mail addresses of his.
I believe that we may be researching the same family.

If you have information about how to contact Aaron, please send private
E-mail to me.

Thank you.
Jeff Miller
Brookeville, MD
SingingTM@aol.com

Hi All
I will introduce myself here as Judith, coming >from New Zealand.
I don't know if I am in the right mailing list, but I know someone will put
me on the right track. I am researching in Suwalki for the Surnames of
Rosenthal and Monne. The time period would be 1850's and earlier.
Thanks in advance
Regards
Judith Larsen

Hi All
I will introduce myself here as Judith, coming >from New Zealand.
I don't know if I am in the right mailing list, but I know someone will put
me on the right track. I am researching in Suwalki for the Surnames of
Rosenthal and Monne. The time period would be 1850's and earlier.
Thanks in advance
Regards
Judith Larsen

1. I have surveyed the Official Yad Vashem list of Destroyed Jewish
Communities with reference to the Bialystok region. I count 117 communities, many with only a few hundred Jews and not recorded in any
Yizkor book as far as the list indicates. (There are about 35 Yizkor books
for these communities, today.)

2. What amazes me is that some towns having between1000-2000 Jews are not
remembered. They must have had some vibrant Jewish community with that many people. Does anyone know if some do have Yizkor books or even memoirs? If so, this information is not in JewishGen's Yizkor book
database and they should be notified..

The towns are:

DLUGOSIODLO
KNYSZYN
LUNNA
ORLA
SKIDEL
STWISKI
TRZCIANE
WOLPA
ZALEWA

3. Are there possibly other towns BialyGen-ers are interested in that are
not included in the Official List >from Yad Vashem? I am compiling a list of Bialystok region towns in order to make my transliteration work >from Hebrew to English easier and would appreciate any town name contributions to add to my list..

lbendov@netvision.net.il

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Kedumim Israel
Researching: TYKOCIN, BIALYSTOK, LOMZA, SOKOLY, ZAMBROW, ZABLUDOW

1. I have surveyed the Official Yad Vashem list of Destroyed Jewish
Communities with reference to the Bialystok region. I count 117 communities, many with only a few hundred Jews and not recorded in any
Yizkor book as far as the list indicates. (There are about 35 Yizkor books
for these communities, today.)

2. What amazes me is that some towns having between1000-2000 Jews are not
remembered. They must have had some vibrant Jewish community with that many people. Does anyone know if some do have Yizkor books or even memoirs? If so, this information is not in JewishGen's Yizkor book
database and they should be notified..

The towns are:

DLUGOSIODLO
KNYSZYN
LUNNA
ORLA
SKIDEL
STWISKI
TRZCIANE
WOLPA
ZALEWA

3. Are there possibly other towns BialyGen-ers are interested in that are
not included in the Official List >from Yad Vashem? I am compiling a list of Bialystok region towns in order to make my transliteration work >from Hebrew to English easier and would appreciate any town name contributions to add to my list..

lbendov@netvision.net.il

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Kedumim Israel
Researching: TYKOCIN, BIALYSTOK, LOMZA, SOKOLY, ZAMBROW, ZABLUDOW

Tomasz Wisniewski, noted Bialystok journalist and Jewish
historian had provided us with a fantastic resource. At "A
Forgotten Odyssey" website [ http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/ ]
is a group of Tomasz's collection of vintage photos and
postcards. At
http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_album
Name=album60 is a group of his albums that include photos and
postcards of towns that were in Bialystok Province in 1939. This
includes photos of towns in our BialyGen region:
Bialowieza
Bialystok
Bielsk Podlaski
Choroszcz
Goniadz
Grodek
Narewka (under N)
Suprasl (under S)
Siemiatyce

Plus other towns not in the BialyGen area: Grajewo, Kolno, Lomza,
Suwalki.

Also, under Bialystok Region are photos for Bielsk, Bransk,
Jedwabne, Korycin, Kuznica, Narewka, Orla, Sejny, Stawiski,
Szczuczyn, and Tykocin.

Please make sure to click on the photos as there are a number of
layers of photo exhibits.

I would like to thank Tomasz for allowing us access to his
collection both on this website and on the Bialystok Memorial
Website at http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/bialystok.htm.

Mark Halpern

Tomasz Wisniewski, noted Bialystok journalist and Jewish
historian had provided us with a fantastic resource. At "A
Forgotten Odyssey" website [ http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/ ]
is a group of Tomasz's collection of vintage photos and
postcards. At
http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_album
Name=album60 is a group of his albums that include photos and
postcards of towns that were in Bialystok Province in 1939. This
includes photos of towns in our BialyGen region:
Bialowieza
Bialystok
Bielsk Podlaski
Choroszcz
Goniadz
Grodek
Narewka (under N)
Suprasl (under S)
Siemiatyce

Plus other towns not in the BialyGen area: Grajewo, Kolno, Lomza,
Suwalki.

Also, under Bialystok Region are photos for Bielsk, Bransk,
Jedwabne, Korycin, Kuznica, Narewka, Orla, Sejny, Stawiski,
Szczuczyn, and Tykocin.

Please make sure to click on the photos as there are a number of
layers of photo exhibits.

I would like to thank Tomasz for allowing us access to his
collection both on this website and on the Bialystok Memorial
Website at http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/bialystok.htm.

Mark Halpern

There was also an agricultural settlement/colony in Siberia, on the eastern
border of Russia, near Mongolia, called Birobijan (poor spelling). Jews
were sent there to solve "the Jewish problem" and to guard the eastern
front. Was this colony different than those on your very interesting
website?

Mimi Katz, Chicago

There was also an agricultural settlement/colony in Siberia, on the eastern
border of Russia, near Mongolia, called Birobijan (poor spelling). Jews
were sent there to solve "the Jewish problem" and to guard the eastern
front. Was this colony different than those on your very interesting
website?

Mimi Katz, Chicago

The WW1 started with the assination of archduke Franz Ferdinand in
Sarajevo on 28 June 1914 and ended 1918. In the Trianon treaty signed on
4. June 1920 Hungary lost substantial parts of the country. In the
bottom of this mail I give two articles which might give you some
detailed information. Trianon and the borders were and still are very
touchy and emotional questions.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

tom klein schrieb:

i think this is an interesting question, and i hope others in the group will add their thoughts/views.

between 1910 and 1920 there was world war 1, and some borders shifted, although i don't think a lot of territory changed hands >from hungary to austria, although i could be wrong. as far as i know, most of the border changes occurred around the perimeters, such as slovakia or transylvania,which were transferred to neighbouring countries like czechoslovakia or romania.

....... tom klein, toronto

"goldhammer" <goldhammer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I have a question concerning place of birth on different census
years. In 1910 they listed Hungary, in 1920 Austria. Is this because
of shifting country lines?? If so, what region should I be
concentrating on locating information regarding this family?

About 10'500 articles can be found in the Internet about Hungary and Trianon, many of them treats the question very emotionally. Two articles >from the many thousend and one is with a card the following, may be you find them interesting.

http://www.imagesoft.net/hungary/hun101/fx010016.htm
Hungary's Nationalities Pre-Trianon

The inhabitants of what was left of Hungary numbered only 7.6 million in
a territory of 35,900 square miles. Rumania alone was granted 39,800
square miles, including Transylvania, or more than what was left to
Hungary. Czechoslovakia was given 23,800 square miles and Yugoslavia got
a similar slice, including Croatia, which had stood in partnership with
Hungary for 800 years. *
Even Austria was allotted 1,500 square miles of Western Hungary as a
ploy to poison relations between the two countries.
*
*
*
A Hungarian-Jewish alliance was formed.
Jewish self-identification as Hungarians was only partially motivated by
the advantages such declaration produced. A large segment of the Jewish
community enthusiastically and voluntarily submitted to the process of
Magyarization. Jews in Hungary spoke the Hungarian language, championed
the Hungarian culture, assimilated, intermarried and energetically
supported the objectives of Hungarian nationalism. This process of
Jewish acculturation was encouraged and rewarded by the Hungarian
establishment. In addition to offering badly needed numerical extension,
it also confirmed the claim of Hungarian cultural superiority. It could,
and did, serve as an example for the other minorities.


The URL bellow give a very detailed description also of the new borders.
http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/versa/tri1.htm
Treaty of Peace Between The Allied and Associated Powers and Hungary
And Protocol and Declaration, Signed at Trianon June 4, 1920

Moderator VK: This discussion is beginning to stray >from our topic. Please limit questions and responses to issues related to identification of borders relevant to search for resources. As Tom and Gabor indicate, there is much information available on-line and in other sources for those interested in the historical issues related to WWI and the demise of the Austria-Hungarian monarchy.

The WW1 started with the assination of archduke Franz Ferdinand in
Sarajevo on 28 June 1914 and ended 1918. In the Trianon treaty signed on
4. June 1920 Hungary lost substantial parts of the country. In the
bottom of this mail I give two articles which might give you some
detailed information. Trianon and the borders were and still are very
touchy and emotional questions.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

tom klein schrieb:

i think this is an interesting question, and i hope others in the group will add their thoughts/views.

between 1910 and 1920 there was world war 1, and some borders shifted, although i don't think a lot of territory changed hands >from hungary to austria, although i could be wrong. as far as i know, most of the border changes occurred around the perimeters, such as slovakia or transylvania,which were transferred to neighbouring countries like czechoslovakia or romania.

....... tom klein, toronto

"goldhammer" <goldhammer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I have a question concerning place of birth on different census
years. In 1910 they listed Hungary, in 1920 Austria. Is this because
of shifting country lines?? If so, what region should I be
concentrating on locating information regarding this family?

About 10'500 articles can be found in the Internet about Hungary and Trianon, many of them treats the question very emotionally. Two articles >from the many thousend and one is with a card the following, may be you find them interesting.

http://www.imagesoft.net/hungary/hun101/fx010016.htm
Hungary's Nationalities Pre-Trianon

The inhabitants of what was left of Hungary numbered only 7.6 million in
a territory of 35,900 square miles. Rumania alone was granted 39,800
square miles, including Transylvania, or more than what was left to
Hungary. Czechoslovakia was given 23,800 square miles and Yugoslavia got
a similar slice, including Croatia, which had stood in partnership with
Hungary for 800 years. *
Even Austria was allotted 1,500 square miles of Western Hungary as a
ploy to poison relations between the two countries.
*
*
*
A Hungarian-Jewish alliance was formed.
Jewish self-identification as Hungarians was only partially motivated by
the advantages such declaration produced. A large segment of the Jewish
community enthusiastically and voluntarily submitted to the process of
Magyarization. Jews in Hungary spoke the Hungarian language, championed
the Hungarian culture, assimilated, intermarried and energetically
supported the objectives of Hungarian nationalism. This process of
Jewish acculturation was encouraged and rewarded by the Hungarian
establishment. In addition to offering badly needed numerical extension,
it also confirmed the claim of Hungarian cultural superiority. It could,
and did, serve as an example for the other minorities.


The URL bellow give a very detailed description also of the new borders.
http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/versa/tri1.htm
Treaty of Peace Between The Allied and Associated Powers and Hungary
And Protocol and Declaration, Signed at Trianon June 4, 1920

Moderator VK: This discussion is beginning to stray >from our topic. Please limit questions and responses to issues related to identification of borders relevant to search for resources. As Tom and Gabor indicate, there is much information available on-line and in other sources for those interested in the historical issues related to WWI and the demise of the Austria-Hungarian monarchy.