Depending on the time frame, there was a VERY good reason for passing
oneself off as 17 on the manifest. If one arrived in the US being under
theage of 18, one did not have to file "first papers", i.e., Declaration of
Intent to Seek Naturalization. Just wait the requisite period (which
varied >from time to time), then file for naturalization. Saved court and
lawyer fees, saved time, etc.

My GGF arrived in 1875, 1880 or 1881 (depending on which sworn document you
believe); his naturalization says it was 1875, a few weeks before his 18th
birthday. But I can't find any documentation to prove it. I bet
great-grandpa told a fib so he could be naturalized more easily and quickly!

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

Original Message >from JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@prodigy.net>
Subject: [ukraine] Lying about age?

Dear Ukr-genners,
My husband's grandfather, Leon MANTEL, gave his age as
17 on the ship's manifest, and all subsequent records
are consistent with that age. I have just checked JRI
records for his town (Brzezany/Brezhany) and found a
very similar name of a person born three years
earlier. My question: Would a young man lie about
his age to escape the draft? Is there a precedent for
passing oneself off as three years younger?
Will appreciate all opinions,

Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California, USA

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Depending on the time frame, there was a VERY good reason for passing
oneself off as 17 on the manifest. If one arrived in the US being under
theage of 18, one did not have to file "first papers", i.e., Declaration of
Intent to Seek Naturalization. Just wait the requisite period (which
varied >from time to time), then file for naturalization. Saved court and
lawyer fees, saved time, etc.

My GGF arrived in 1875, 1880 or 1881 (depending on which sworn document you
believe); his naturalization says it was 1875, a few weeks before his 18th
birthday. But I can't find any documentation to prove it. I bet
great-grandpa told a fib so he could be naturalized more easily and quickly!

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

Original Message >from JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@prodigy.net>
Subject: [ukraine] Lying about age?

Dear Ukr-genners,
My husband's grandfather, Leon MANTEL, gave his age as
17 on the ship's manifest, and all subsequent records
are consistent with that age. I have just checked JRI
records for his town (Brzezany/Brezhany) and found a
very similar name of a person born three years
earlier. My question: Would a young man lie about
his age to escape the draft? Is there a precedent for
passing oneself off as three years younger?
Will appreciate all opinions,

Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California, USA

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Anyone who may know a Harvey Cohn (son Robert)
living in Oceanside, California,please contact me.

Rich Sinykin
rsns93@aol.com

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Anyone who may know a Harvey Cohn (son Robert)
living in Oceanside, California,please contact me.

Rich Sinykin
rsns93@aol.com

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My family tree has doubled in the last few months -
but we are still missing one branch of our known tree.
My grandmother, Esther Silverman Forman - daughter
of Pearl Yankelvich Silverman - had a brother "Yaner"
(Alec, in English) who settled in the New York area.
Most of the family settled in the Boston area,
arriving around 1910 >from Ovruch, in the Zhitomir
Region of the Ukraine; although, I have heard that the
Yankelvich family had family in the Odessa area.
There was another branch of the Silverman family
that settled in Chicago, but I'm not sure
of the relationship.

Phyllis Forman
http://fill4man.tripod.com/
SILVERMAN, FORMAN >from Ovruch, Zhitomir, Kiyev, Odessa - KREMYANSKI
(CREAM) >from Kremenchug - MILL (possibly MALYI) >from Smela, Kremenchug -
EPSTEIN >from Zhetl (Dyatlovo), Kosow Poleski (Kossovo),
KANTOFSKY/KLECKYN >from Kosow Poleski (Kossovo) and Chomsk (Khomsk),
YANKELVICH >from Odessa, Ovruch.

My family tree has doubled in the last few months -
but we are still missing one branch of our known tree.
My grandmother, Esther Silverman Forman - daughter
of Pearl Yankelvich Silverman - had a brother "Yaner"
(Alec, in English) who settled in the New York area.
Most of the family settled in the Boston area,
arriving around 1910 >from Ovruch, in the Zhitomir
Region of the Ukraine; although, I have heard that the
Yankelvich family had family in the Odessa area.
There was another branch of the Silverman family
that settled in Chicago, but I'm not sure
of the relationship.

Phyllis Forman
http://fill4man.tripod.com/
SILVERMAN, FORMAN >from Ovruch, Zhitomir, Kiyev, Odessa - KREMYANSKI
(CREAM) >from Kremenchug - MILL (possibly MALYI) >from Smela, Kremenchug -
EPSTEIN >from Zhetl (Dyatlovo), Kosow Poleski (Kossovo),
KANTOFSKY/KLECKYN >from Kosow Poleski (Kossovo) and Chomsk (Khomsk),
YANKELVICH >from Odessa, Ovruch.

Hi,
Our Epstein tree has tripled in the last several
months - but we are still looking for the
descendants or any information of my great-grandfather,
Morris (Salomon Mashe) Epstein's brother Isaac
Epstein. They were the sons of Avraham Eliezer
(Ha Levi) Epstein and his 1st wife, who had died
when they were young. Other siblings were
Sarah Epstein Fishkowitz, Friede Epstein, and
Bertha Epstein Alpert. Avraham Eliezer Epstein's
2nd wife was Rachel Leah; and he had 2 children
with her - Max Epstein and Rose Epstein Briskin.

I'm now in touch with descendants of Max Epstein
(Max's grandson is the contact on the Ha Levi
Epstein page) and Sarah Epstein Fishkowitz - but
nobody knows what happened to Isaac Epstein.

thanks,

Phyllis Forman
http://fill4man.tripod.com/thehaleviepsteinfamilyfromzhetldyatlovo/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/evelyn/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/epstein/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/

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Hi,
Our Epstein tree has tripled in the last several
months - but we are still looking for the
descendants or any information of my great-grandfather,
Morris (Salomon Mashe) Epstein's brother Isaac
Epstein. They were the sons of Avraham Eliezer
(Ha Levi) Epstein and his 1st wife, who had died
when they were young. Other siblings were
Sarah Epstein Fishkowitz, Friede Epstein, and
Bertha Epstein Alpert. Avraham Eliezer Epstein's
2nd wife was Rachel Leah; and he had 2 children
with her - Max Epstein and Rose Epstein Briskin.

I'm now in touch with descendants of Max Epstein
(Max's grandson is the contact on the Ha Levi
Epstein page) and Sarah Epstein Fishkowitz - but
nobody knows what happened to Isaac Epstein.

thanks,

Phyllis Forman
http://fill4man.tripod.com/thehaleviepsteinfamilyfromzhetldyatlovo/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/evelyn/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/epstein/
http://fill4man.tripod.com/

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Dear Genners,

Thanks to a kind Genner Lori I now have confirmation
that my great grandmother was indeed MILLER or MALLAR.
Born about 1855.One of her daughters was Ada COMPINSKY.
Born 1875.Rumor has it that great grandma was
the sister of the grandfather of Arthur Miller the
playwright. There was also a brother or nephew
called Mark Miller who at one time lived in
Louisville (1920's).There may also be a FEIGIN
in the family.

Is someone reading this able to help me towards more
information?

Thank you

Ros Romem
Jerusalem

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Dear Genners,

Thanks to a kind Genner Lori I now have confirmation
that my great grandmother was indeed MILLER or MALLAR.
Born about 1855.One of her daughters was Ada COMPINSKY.
Born 1875.Rumor has it that great grandma was
the sister of the grandfather of Arthur Miller the
playwright. There was also a brother or nephew
called Mark Miller who at one time lived in
Louisville (1920's).There may also be a FEIGIN
in the family.

Is someone reading this able to help me towards more
information?

Thank you

Ros Romem
Jerusalem

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I know this has been asked before, but could someone
please tell me what they think is the best way in
my personal situation to get my hands on the
original petition for naturalization for my husband's
grandparents? I'm quite confused about figuring
out the quickest and least expensive way of
obtaining those documents. And if I could go in
person to that place, which do you think might
be the best one to go to?

We have their naturalization papers (1924 and 1931)
in our possession and on his gm's certificate
is even listed the petition number. Both
naturalization certificates say on the top :
The United States of America and on the bottom
Department of Labor. Both naturalizations occurred
in the city of Plattsburgh, in Clinton County, in
NY State. So, do I get the petition >from NARA,

from the Clinton County Court, >from NY State Supreme

Court? What does the Dept of Labor have to do
with it?

I'd love to hear what you genners think is the best
way to proceed and what experiences you have had
that have brought you success.

Thanks for your help,
Fraida Cohen

I know this has been asked before, but could someone
please tell me what they think is the best way in
my personal situation to get my hands on the
original petition for naturalization for my husband's
grandparents? I'm quite confused about figuring
out the quickest and least expensive way of
obtaining those documents. And if I could go in
person to that place, which do you think might
be the best one to go to?

We have their naturalization papers (1924 and 1931)
in our possession and on his gm's certificate
is even listed the petition number. Both
naturalization certificates say on the top :
The United States of America and on the bottom
Department of Labor. Both naturalizations occurred
in the city of Plattsburgh, in Clinton County, in
NY State. So, do I get the petition >from NARA,

from the Clinton County Court, >from NY State Supreme

Court? What does the Dept of Labor have to do
with it?

I'd love to hear what you genners think is the best
way to proceed and what experiences you have had
that have brought you success.

Thanks for your help,
Fraida Cohen

Hi,

I'm looking for Michael Norman RUBENSTEIN, son of Harry
Rubenstein. He had his Bar Mitzvah in June 1952.
The event took place at Ohaw Zedek Synagogue in
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

If this sounds familiar to anyone, please contact
me privately (rayvenna@rayvenna.com). I've been
told he is "one of the Canadian cousins."

Thanks!

Mindie Kaplan
Gaithersburg, Maryland, U.S.
--
Researching:
Toronto, Canada: Ovsey, Shainbaum, Rubenstein
Smorgon, Oshmiany, Vilnius: Allen/Ellen, Entis/Entes
Nowe Aleksandrowo/Nowo Aleksandrow: Glassman
Anyksciai, Vilkomir, Kovno: Schneider/Schnaider, Wolinski/Wolinsky
Anyksciai->Canada->US: Splaver/Splava/Schplaver/Splawer
Anyksciai->England->US: Landy/Lander/Lande

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to six lines, as per JewishGen guidelines.

Hi,

I'm looking for Michael Norman RUBENSTEIN, son of Harry
Rubenstein. He had his Bar Mitzvah in June 1952.
The event took place at Ohaw Zedek Synagogue in
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

If this sounds familiar to anyone, please contact
me privately (rayvenna@rayvenna.com). I've been
told he is "one of the Canadian cousins."

Thanks!

Mindie Kaplan
Gaithersburg, Maryland, U.S.
--
Researching:
Toronto, Canada: Ovsey, Shainbaum, Rubenstein
Smorgon, Oshmiany, Vilnius: Allen/Ellen, Entis/Entes
Nowe Aleksandrowo/Nowo Aleksandrow: Glassman
Anyksciai, Vilkomir, Kovno: Schneider/Schnaider, Wolinski/Wolinsky
Anyksciai->Canada->US: Splaver/Splava/Schplaver/Splawer
Anyksciai->England->US: Landy/Lander/Lande

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to six lines, as per JewishGen guidelines.

Would anyone with access to the Bronx Directory for
1930 be able to do a lookup for me?

TIA,
Fraida Cohen

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Would anyone with access to the Bronx Directory for
1930 be able to do a lookup for me?

TIA,
Fraida Cohen

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I want to thank everyone who help me connect with
the wife of Louis Schlussel. One day must be a record..
Happy Thanksgiving..
Gayle of San Gabriel, Ca

I want to thank everyone who help me connect with
the wife of Louis Schlussel. One day must be a record..
Happy Thanksgiving..
Gayle of San Gabriel, Ca

Dear Cousins,

I'm looking for anyone who might have known, or
have been related to my cousins

Harry BAYLIN b. 1885 Slonim - d. 1967 Fitchberg, MA.
Son of Leib & Reesha BULANSKI. He was a furrier,
& spent part of each year working in Miami
Beach, FL. Married to Frances Stone. No children.

Jake GOLDSTEIN, married a woman nee GINSBURG >from
Springfield, MA.


Best, on Thanksgiving,

Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


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Dear Cousins,

I'm looking for anyone who might have known, or
have been related to my cousins

Harry BAYLIN b. 1885 Slonim - d. 1967 Fitchberg, MA.
Son of Leib & Reesha BULANSKI. He was a furrier,
& spent part of each year working in Miami
Beach, FL. Married to Frances Stone. No children.

Jake GOLDSTEIN, married a woman nee GINSBURG >from
Springfield, MA.


Best, on Thanksgiving,

Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


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