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Fredry Found #poland

Peter Lebensold
 

In reply to George Mason:

Fredry appears to have been a small street - outside the Ghetto, south
of Plac Tetralnyand east of Plac Bankowy, running along the north border
of the Ogrod Saski park. See,for example, the map of the Ghetto at the
back of the book "Getto Warszawskie, Przewodnikpo Nieistniejacym Miescie",
by Barbara Engelking and Jacek Leociak (Wydawnictwo Institutu Filozofii
I Socjologii PAN, Warsaw 2001), where Fredy appears just at the right edge.

I assume #10 would have been beside #12, across the street >from the park.
(In the map, which I have in pdf and jpg format, the large blue roads are
those currently in existence; the white ones are pre-1939; purple
indicates pre-war buildings that are still standing.)

Fredry also shows up in modern-day Warsaw, though perhaps not in precisely
the same location: Check under "F" at
http://www.euroave.com/maps/frame1.php?xcity=warsaw .

Peter Lebensold


JRI Poland #Poland Fredry Found #poland

Peter Lebensold
 

In reply to George Mason:

Fredry appears to have been a small street - outside the Ghetto, south
of Plac Tetralnyand east of Plac Bankowy, running along the north border
of the Ogrod Saski park. See,for example, the map of the Ghetto at the
back of the book "Getto Warszawskie, Przewodnikpo Nieistniejacym Miescie",
by Barbara Engelking and Jacek Leociak (Wydawnictwo Institutu Filozofii
I Socjologii PAN, Warsaw 2001), where Fredy appears just at the right edge.

I assume #10 would have been beside #12, across the street >from the park.
(In the map, which I have in pdf and jpg format, the large blue roads are
those currently in existence; the white ones are pre-1939; purple
indicates pre-war buildings that are still standing.)

Fredry also shows up in modern-day Warsaw, though perhaps not in precisely
the same location: Check under "F" at
http://www.euroave.com/maps/frame1.php?xcity=warsaw .

Peter Lebensold


Re: Closing Song #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Charles Nydorf, who's having e-mail problems, says that words and music =20=

of "Belz" can be found in Pearls of Yiddish Song compiled by Eleanor =20
Gordon Mlotek and Joseph Mlotek. It is a theater song written in the =20
United States. The words are by Jacob Jacobs (1892-1972) and the music =20=

by Alexander Olshanetsky (1892-1946) who wrote it for his play "The =20
song of the ghetto"
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popular in =20
Europe before the Holocaust.

Vivian Kahn, H-SIG Coordinator
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Closing Song #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Charles Nydorf, who's having e-mail problems, says that words and music =20=

of "Belz" can be found in Pearls of Yiddish Song compiled by Eleanor =20
Gordon Mlotek and Joseph Mlotek. It is a theater song written in the =20
United States. The words are by Jacob Jacobs (1892-1972) and the music =20=

by Alexander Olshanetsky (1892-1946) who wrote it for his play "The =20
song of the ghetto"
=A0=A0=A0=A0He says that based on the book, the song must have been =
popular in =20
Europe before the Holocaust.

Vivian Kahn, H-SIG Coordinator
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Re: Do Women Need Hebrew Names? #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Of course women have Hebrew names! I was born in NYC in 1944 and have
known, for as long as I can remember, that my Hebrew name was Chaya.
My parents were both Jewish but not very observant. Nevertheless, I
was named Chaya after my mother's father Chaim. As I learned when I
studied Hebrew, Chaya is a Hebrew version of Vivian, my given name. I
also know that KAHAN relatives were Kohanim and my father's NEUMANN and
MOSKOVITS antecedents were Levites. The point of all this is that even
assimilated and non-observant Jews may have traditional names. I was
surprised to learn that a distant relative and Holocaust survivor who
was born in 1931 in the same shtetl as my paternal grandparents and
great-grandparents did not know whether his father was a Levite.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator
Oakland, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do Women Need Hebrew Names? #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Of course women have Hebrew names! I was born in NYC in 1944 and have
known, for as long as I can remember, that my Hebrew name was Chaya.
My parents were both Jewish but not very observant. Nevertheless, I
was named Chaya after my mother's father Chaim. As I learned when I
studied Hebrew, Chaya is a Hebrew version of Vivian, my given name. I
also know that KAHAN relatives were Kohanim and my father's NEUMANN and
MOSKOVITS antecedents were Levites. The point of all this is that even
assimilated and non-observant Jews may have traditional names. I was
surprised to learn that a distant relative and Holocaust survivor who
was born in 1931 in the same shtetl as my paternal grandparents and
great-grandparents did not know whether his father was a Levite.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator
Oakland, CA


Leeds, UK and TALALAIBEHI #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

A big thank you to Genners who supplied 1901 Leeds census info and
discovered a 38-year-old female Dyne (Dina?) TALALAYBEHI listed.
In 1902, Shmuel and Anna (ESTRIN) TALOLOG (really Talalay) arrived in Leeds
via Hamburg >from Ekatarinoslav/Dneiperpetrovsk, although they were both
Mogilev-origin families. They soon left for Berlin and we have all the
information on this branch which arrived in Palestine in 1933.

I believe that the reason Shmuel went to Leeds was because of Dyne, perhaps
an older sister, an aunt, a wife of an older brother, etc. People generally
went to communities where they already had a relative.
I am now trying to search for more information on Dyne, who remains a
mystery.

The name TALALAYBEHI is more than a bit unwieldy, and I am sure the name
must have been changed or shortened rather quickly. I have seen similar
forms TALALBAIE or TALLABAIE, used by a Talalay relative >from Mogilev who
joined her husband in Massachusetts in the very early 1900s.
In America, most TALALAY became TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR.
I would assume a similar transformation took place in Leeds.
If any of our intrepid Leeds genners have any information, it would be most
appreciated.

A second question concerns Leeds at the time, 1901-2. If families went on to
other cities >from Leeds, where might they have gone? I realize that this is
a very open-ended question, but perhaps there is a specific reason (an
industry move or change of some kind) for a movement >from Leeds to another
city.
Dyne was a French polisher (furniture), Shmuel was a furnituremaker
(eventually had a store in Ramat Gan), and many of the family (in branches
in various countries) were "in the business."

Not to bore others in the list, please send replies privately to me and I
will prepare a consensus for the list, which might help other researchers
who may have the same question.
Best wishes for a safe and happy 2004, with many exciting discoveries
throughout the year.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Leeds, UK and TALALAIBEHI #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

A big thank you to Genners who supplied 1901 Leeds census info and
discovered a 38-year-old female Dyne (Dina?) TALALAYBEHI listed.
In 1902, Shmuel and Anna (ESTRIN) TALOLOG (really Talalay) arrived in Leeds
via Hamburg >from Ekatarinoslav/Dneiperpetrovsk, although they were both
Mogilev-origin families. They soon left for Berlin and we have all the
information on this branch which arrived in Palestine in 1933.

I believe that the reason Shmuel went to Leeds was because of Dyne, perhaps
an older sister, an aunt, a wife of an older brother, etc. People generally
went to communities where they already had a relative.
I am now trying to search for more information on Dyne, who remains a
mystery.

The name TALALAYBEHI is more than a bit unwieldy, and I am sure the name
must have been changed or shortened rather quickly. I have seen similar
forms TALALBAIE or TALLABAIE, used by a Talalay relative >from Mogilev who
joined her husband in Massachusetts in the very early 1900s.
In America, most TALALAY became TOLLIN, TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR.
I would assume a similar transformation took place in Leeds.
If any of our intrepid Leeds genners have any information, it would be most
appreciated.

A second question concerns Leeds at the time, 1901-2. If families went on to
other cities >from Leeds, where might they have gone? I realize that this is
a very open-ended question, but perhaps there is a specific reason (an
industry move or change of some kind) for a movement >from Leeds to another
city.
Dyne was a French polisher (furniture), Shmuel was a furnituremaker
(eventually had a store in Ramat Gan), and many of the family (in branches
in various countries) were "in the business."

Not to bore others in the list, please send replies privately to me and I
will prepare a consensus for the list, which might help other researchers
who may have the same question.
Best wishes for a safe and happy 2004, with many exciting discoveries
throughout the year.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


BERWALD/BAERWALD/TIRAS #general

Jane Vogel-Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

I am researching my BAERWALD family and have come across a Frank
BERWALD, whose father was Lesser BAERWALD and may have been related.
Frank was born in 1882 and died in Houston Texas in 1970. His wife was
Elsie TIRAS. If anyone has any information on these people (or any other
BAERWALDs), especially descendants who might still be around, please
reply.
Thanks -
Jane Vogel-Kohai
Jerusalem Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BERWALD/BAERWALD/TIRAS #general

Jane Vogel-Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

I am researching my BAERWALD family and have come across a Frank
BERWALD, whose father was Lesser BAERWALD and may have been related.
Frank was born in 1882 and died in Houston Texas in 1970. His wife was
Elsie TIRAS. If anyone has any information on these people (or any other
BAERWALDs), especially descendants who might still be around, please
reply.
Thanks -
Jane Vogel-Kohai
Jerusalem Israel


SSDI thanks #general

SelmaN@...
 

I would certainly like to thank each and every one of you personally for
responding to my SSDI question. The consensus of all the responses is that
RootsWeb is the best way to go, and it can be accessed at the bottom of Steve
Morse's wonderful search page. One response said, >> I know you will receive an
avalanche of email on this topic << I did receive an avalanche, and I can't
answer you all personally, so a public *Thank You* to all who responded directly
to me and on JewishGen. I'm thanking JewishGen with a 2003 contribution -- hope
everyone will do the same. Very best wishes for a Happy Healthy 2004 to all.
Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER,
NEWMAN (possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SSDI thanks #general

SelmaN@...
 

I would certainly like to thank each and every one of you personally for
responding to my SSDI question. The consensus of all the responses is that
RootsWeb is the best way to go, and it can be accessed at the bottom of Steve
Morse's wonderful search page. One response said, >> I know you will receive an
avalanche of email on this topic << I did receive an avalanche, and I can't
answer you all personally, so a public *Thank You* to all who responded directly
to me and on JewishGen. I'm thanking JewishGen with a 2003 contribution -- hope
everyone will do the same. Very best wishes for a Happy Healthy 2004 to all.
Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER,
NEWMAN (possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


Pe'lj #hungary

MMS <mms@...>
 

Hello,

There is a "Peljecac" in modern Croatia. See <http://www.peljesac.info/>. Maybe there is a connection.

Moshe Shavit
Israel


All Cemeteries #general

Carol Raspler
 

Jonathan Hemley wrote: I'm trying to research my paternal line. Our family
cemetery is Queens, New York. I live on the West Coast so it's difficult to get
out there. I wanted to take pictures of my grandfather's and great grandfather's
gravestones. Is there anyone who is going to this site and can take pictures ?
======================================================================
On December 1st, I sent the following into JewishGen (I know the rules about
repeating within a given period of time, but felt the above request warranted
the exact response):

Dear All:
I believe it's time to repeat an oft made suggestion re cemeteries, research
therein and photographs therefrom:
Very frequently you will find wonderful information and support coming directly
from the offices and/or caretakers of the cemeteries themselves (telephone
listings available through your various Internet Search engines). A kind greeting
and of course, a "thank-you for efforts expended" will more often than not get
you the information you need.
Further, these days many of the cemeteries are taking photographs of gravestones,
some gratis, some for a fee, and I suggest these avenues should be followed first.
If the cemetery is an old one, perhaps closed, good information can generally
be had through the synagogues in the places your searching.
Best of luck to all, Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


Hungary SIG #Hungary Pe'lj #hungary

MMS <mms@...>
 

Hello,

There is a "Peljecac" in modern Croatia. See <http://www.peljesac.info/>. Maybe there is a connection.

Moshe Shavit
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen All Cemeteries #general

Carol Raspler
 

Jonathan Hemley wrote: I'm trying to research my paternal line. Our family
cemetery is Queens, New York. I live on the West Coast so it's difficult to get
out there. I wanted to take pictures of my grandfather's and great grandfather's
gravestones. Is there anyone who is going to this site and can take pictures ?
======================================================================
On December 1st, I sent the following into JewishGen (I know the rules about
repeating within a given period of time, but felt the above request warranted
the exact response):

Dear All:
I believe it's time to repeat an oft made suggestion re cemeteries, research
therein and photographs therefrom:
Very frequently you will find wonderful information and support coming directly
from the offices and/or caretakers of the cemeteries themselves (telephone
listings available through your various Internet Search engines). A kind greeting
and of course, a "thank-you for efforts expended" will more often than not get
you the information you need.
Further, these days many of the cemeteries are taking photographs of gravestones,
some gratis, some for a fee, and I suggest these avenues should be followed first.
If the cemetery is an old one, perhaps closed, good information can generally
be had through the synagogues in the places your searching.
Best of luck to all, Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


My father's service in the Slovak army - seeking documents #hungary

Uri Jakubovic
 

Dear Genners,

I wonder if anyone can help me to find a document or documents in which the places and the dates where my father served in the Slovak army are written.
My father name is Eugen Jakubovic, born in Feb. 27, 1919 in Revuca, Slovakia. He served in a Jewish unit which later was known as the "Siesty prapor" (literally: "The sixth battalion" which was a Jewish work battalion in the Slovak army). He began his service in Oremov Laz (near Zvolen) in 31.10.1940, served also in Liptovsky svaty Peter, Nove Mesto nad Vahom, Cemerne (near Vranov nad Toplou), Kamenica nad Cirochou/Kota 620, Sabinov and Svaty Jur. In the last place he was released in 31.10.1942. He does not remember exact dates and maybe some of the above places are not chronologically ordered. These data are important to me, because I am writing his reminiscences.
Thank you very much,

Uri Jakubovic
Hadera, Israel

Moderator VK: You may be able to find some information about the dates when the Sixth Battalion worked in different locations >from the 1999 book, The Sixth Battalion, published by Vydala Academia, Prague. The book is the script that my cousin Dusan Simko wrote for a documentary by the same name. It includes interviews with former members of the Sixth Battalion. Check the H-SIG archives for information about purchasing this work. Dusan's father Stefan Simko, my second cousin, was a physician who served in the Sixth Battalion and went on to become the first Jewish general in the Slovak Army. Stefan died in Kosice, his birthplace, in September 2002.





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Hungary SIG #Hungary My father's service in the Slovak army - seeking documents #hungary

Uri Jakubovic
 

Dear Genners,

I wonder if anyone can help me to find a document or documents in which the places and the dates where my father served in the Slovak army are written.
My father name is Eugen Jakubovic, born in Feb. 27, 1919 in Revuca, Slovakia. He served in a Jewish unit which later was known as the "Siesty prapor" (literally: "The sixth battalion" which was a Jewish work battalion in the Slovak army). He began his service in Oremov Laz (near Zvolen) in 31.10.1940, served also in Liptovsky svaty Peter, Nove Mesto nad Vahom, Cemerne (near Vranov nad Toplou), Kamenica nad Cirochou/Kota 620, Sabinov and Svaty Jur. In the last place he was released in 31.10.1942. He does not remember exact dates and maybe some of the above places are not chronologically ordered. These data are important to me, because I am writing his reminiscences.
Thank you very much,

Uri Jakubovic
Hadera, Israel

Moderator VK: You may be able to find some information about the dates when the Sixth Battalion worked in different locations >from the 1999 book, The Sixth Battalion, published by Vydala Academia, Prague. The book is the script that my cousin Dusan Simko wrote for a documentary by the same name. It includes interviews with former members of the Sixth Battalion. Check the H-SIG archives for information about purchasing this work. Dusan's father Stefan Simko, my second cousin, was a physician who served in the Sixth Battalion and went on to become the first Jewish general in the Slovak Army. Stefan died in Kosice, his birthplace, in September 2002.





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Re: NYC Rabbi #rabbinic

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

On 2003.12.30, Phillip Applebaum <philapple@earthlink.net> wrote:

On a 1903 marriage certificate issued in New York City, the name
of the rabbi who conducted the ceremony appears to be William
KRONOWITH. He was affiliated with a synagogue, but I cannot
decipher the clerk's handwriting ...
Can anyone help with the following:

1) Is the spelling I read the correct spelling for the name of this
rabbi?

2) With what synagogue was he affiliated in 1903?
Hi -

It seems to me that the rabbi's name was probably KRONOWITZ or
KRANOWITZ - not being able to see the handwriting, I can't say for
sure, but probably the ending of his name is a TZ - we are dealing
with a Jewish name, after all, and not a British one...

I'm sorry but I am not familiar with New York synagogues, so I can't
help you with that. Isn't there a list somewhere of synagogues in
New York? (Maybe it still exists in another location???...)

Laia Ben-Dov


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: NYC Rabbi #rabbinic

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

On 2003.12.30, Phillip Applebaum <philapple@earthlink.net> wrote:

On a 1903 marriage certificate issued in New York City, the name
of the rabbi who conducted the ceremony appears to be William
KRONOWITH. He was affiliated with a synagogue, but I cannot
decipher the clerk's handwriting ...
Can anyone help with the following:

1) Is the spelling I read the correct spelling for the name of this
rabbi?

2) With what synagogue was he affiliated in 1903?
Hi -

It seems to me that the rabbi's name was probably KRONOWITZ or
KRANOWITZ - not being able to see the handwriting, I can't say for
sure, but probably the ending of his name is a TZ - we are dealing
with a Jewish name, after all, and not a British one...

I'm sorry but I am not familiar with New York synagogues, so I can't
help you with that. Isn't there a list somewhere of synagogues in
New York? (Maybe it still exists in another location???...)

Laia Ben-Dov