This web site gives very intersting information about refugee soldiers in
the British army, specifically No.3 (Jewish) Troop, No. 10 Commando.
http://www.alliedspecialforces.org/3jewishtroop10commandohistory.htm

This site lists a roll of honour with some 20 names of refugee soldiers
serving with the No. 3 (Jewish) Troop, No. 10 Commando,who were killed in
action.
www.alliedspecialforces.org/3jewishtroop10commandorollofhonour.htm

It is assumed, that many of these soldiers arrived in England on
"Kindertransports" and in many case their parents, who were still in
Germany/Austria perished in the Shoah.

Willie Glaser
St. Laurent Quebec, Canada

This web site gives very intersting information about refugee soldiers in
the British army, specifically No.3 (Jewish) Troop, No. 10 Commando.
http://www.alliedspecialforces.org/3jewishtroop10commandohistory.htm

This site lists a roll of honour with some 20 names of refugee soldiers
serving with the No. 3 (Jewish) Troop, No. 10 Commando,who were killed in
action.
www.alliedspecialforces.org/3jewishtroop10commandorollofhonour.htm

It is assumed, that many of these soldiers arrived in England on
"Kindertransports" and in many case their parents, who were still in
Germany/Austria perished in the Shoah.

Willie Glaser
St. Laurent Quebec, Canada

While Barbara asked for private responses, perhaps the moderator will
allow this public response since it is apparent we have many newbies
joining the list, needful of some very basic information.

First, any questions regarding passenger manifests might well be answered
by Warren Blatt's basic primer on doing Jewish genealogical research and
one of the first places all newcomers should visit....the JewishGen
FAQ ( numero uno <g> on our home page ) www.jewishgen.org

Warren discusses passenger manifests among 19 additional categories listed
in the Table of Contents. This document is a must for all beginners...and
even folks like me who have been at it since 1995!.

And, to Barbara's specific question regarding an arrival into Philadelphia
in 1909....

Philadelphia was among the major eastern ports and served as the "welcome
to the U.S." since 1800. The Merion was an American Line ship regularly
serving the Liverpool to Philadelphia route.

Passenger manifests can be viewed at a variety of places, but the closest
will most likely be one of the more than 2600 local Family History Centers
operated by the Mormons throughout the world. To find the closest center
to where you live, visit the online service operated by the Mormons at
www.familysearch.org
and in the paragraphs in the extreme right hand columns you will find the
link to locating a center near you. The FAQ has a link >from #13 Mormon
Family History Centers.

Folks, nobody was born knowing all this stuff and it is no poor reflection
on those who are just starting and don't know where to turn for help. The
help is all here at JewishGen and all we can ask is that you explore it
all, starting with the FAQ .

And once you find out how to find the information you seek, we hope you
will find it in your hearts to say thanks for all JewishGen provides
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Contribute.html

If you are able to donate $100 you are automatically eligible for the
JGFFAlert which notifies you via immediate e-mail if anyone enters a name
that matches a listing you have in the JGFF!

Good luck to all and happy hunting...and most importantly **finding**!

Carol in Laguna Woods for the winter.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Barbara Meyers writes:

While Barbara asked for private responses, perhaps the moderator will
allow this public response since it is apparent we have many newbies
joining the list, needful of some very basic information.

First, any questions regarding passenger manifests might well be answered
by Warren Blatt's basic primer on doing Jewish genealogical research and
one of the first places all newcomers should visit....the JewishGen
FAQ ( numero uno <g> on our home page ) www.jewishgen.org

Warren discusses passenger manifests among 19 additional categories listed
in the Table of Contents. This document is a must for all beginners...and
even folks like me who have been at it since 1995!.

And, to Barbara's specific question regarding an arrival into Philadelphia
in 1909....

Philadelphia was among the major eastern ports and served as the "welcome
to the U.S." since 1800. The Merion was an American Line ship regularly
serving the Liverpool to Philadelphia route.

Passenger manifests can be viewed at a variety of places, but the closest
will most likely be one of the more than 2600 local Family History Centers
operated by the Mormons throughout the world. To find the closest center
to where you live, visit the online service operated by the Mormons at
www.familysearch.org
and in the paragraphs in the extreme right hand columns you will find the
link to locating a center near you. The FAQ has a link >from #13 Mormon
Family History Centers.

Folks, nobody was born knowing all this stuff and it is no poor reflection
on those who are just starting and don't know where to turn for help. The
help is all here at JewishGen and all we can ask is that you explore it
all, starting with the FAQ .

And once you find out how to find the information you seek, we hope you
will find it in your hearts to say thanks for all JewishGen provides
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Contribute.html

If you are able to donate $100 you are automatically eligible for the
JGFFAlert which notifies you via immediate e-mail if anyone enters a name
that matches a listing you have in the JGFF!

Good luck to all and happy hunting...and most importantly **finding**!

Carol in Laguna Woods for the winter.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Barbara Meyers writes:

I have run across a great web site containg lots of photos of Latvia's
cities and countryside. The URL is http://www.latvia360.lv/ and the photos
can be seen >from a point of view that revolves 360 degrees, if you have the
right software (which most users have). Without the software you can still
see the photos in the usual manner. There is a choice of English, Russian,
or Latvian.

Barry Shay

Thank you Barry! That was fabulous. The page itself has the software
needed to spin around with the pictures. It was an amazing adventure!

Martha

I have run across a great web site containg lots of photos of Latvia's
cities and countryside. The URL is http://www.latvia360.lv/ and the photos
can be seen >from a point of view that revolves 360 degrees, if you have the
right software (which most users have). Without the software you can still
see the photos in the usual manner. There is a choice of English, Russian,
or Latvian.

Barry Shay

Thank you Barry! That was fabulous. The page itself has the software
needed to spin around with the pictures. It was an amazing adventure!

Martha

I was recently in Latvia (October 28 to November 1, 2003) If you would like
to see the photos I took check out my web site, they are all in the public
area

http://horwitzfam.org

Dave Howard (nee Horwitz)

I was recently in Latvia (October 28 to November 1, 2003) If you would like
to see the photos I took check out my web site, they are all in the public
area

http://horwitzfam.org

Dave Howard (nee Horwitz)

Does anyone know how I can find a list of the members of the
Panevezys "kibbutz" which preceded the famous yeshiva? The
time period is about 1900-1905.

Carol Clapsaddle
Jerusalem

Does anyone know how I can find a list of the members of the
Panevezys "kibbutz" which preceded the famous yeshiva? The
time period is about 1900-1905.

Carol Clapsaddle
Jerusalem

I would like to know about the sefer, Toras Bar Nash. Who was
the mechaber (author) of the sefer and when was it published?

Bezalel Weill

I would like to know about the sefer, Toras Bar Nash. Who was
the mechaber (author) of the sefer and when was it published?

Bezalel Weill

My paternal great-grandparents, Solomon and Sarah ISAACS, emigrated to
England >from Poland circa 1900. After doing a global search for the name
ISAACS in JRI-Poland's database (Poland/all gubernia), I was given numerous
listings under different names but none with the precise spelling of
ISAACS. I then did a more limited search for ISAACS by town, namely Mlawa
and Warka (Gora Kalwaria). As I mentioned in a recent posting to the
subscribers of Jewish Gen.'s Digest, The West Midlands (UK) police files of
WWI alien registrations stated that my great grandparents came >from one of
those two towns (or "somewhere near Warsaw," - either Mlawa or Warka -- I
couldn't decipher the handwriting.) The closest surname to that of my
ancestors (in JRI-Poland's database) was ORZECH.

Question: I'm wondering whether my great grandparents' surname (patronym)
was spelled differently in Poland, not as ISAACS, otherwise why couldn't I
find any ISAACS in JRI-Poland's database?

I did note, however, that the indexing of certain towns and/or years was
still in progress. Therefore the only other explanation I can think of (for
the lack of entries under the name of ISAACS) is for that reason (because
the indexing has not yet been completed).

Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA
Formerly >from Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
RAUS (or variants), Karczew, Poland
SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
KUJAWSKI (or variants), Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah), Poland, town near Warsaw, Birmingham,
England
SHORN (family of Morris and Yetta), Poland?, London, England

My paternal great-grandparents, Solomon and Sarah ISAACS, emigrated to
England >from Poland circa 1900. After doing a global search for the name
ISAACS in JRI-Poland's database (Poland/all gubernia), I was given numerous
listings under different names but none with the precise spelling of
ISAACS. I then did a more limited search for ISAACS by town, namely Mlawa
and Warka (Gora Kalwaria). As I mentioned in a recent posting to the
subscribers of Jewish Gen.'s Digest, The West Midlands (UK) police files of
WWI alien registrations stated that my great grandparents came >from one of
those two towns (or "somewhere near Warsaw," - either Mlawa or Warka -- I
couldn't decipher the handwriting.) The closest surname to that of my
ancestors (in JRI-Poland's database) was ORZECH.

Question: I'm wondering whether my great grandparents' surname (patronym)
was spelled differently in Poland, not as ISAACS, otherwise why couldn't I
find any ISAACS in JRI-Poland's database?

I did note, however, that the indexing of certain towns and/or years was
still in progress. Therefore the only other explanation I can think of (for
the lack of entries under the name of ISAACS) is for that reason (because
the indexing has not yet been completed).

Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA
Formerly >from Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
RAUS (or variants), Karczew, Poland
SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
KUJAWSKI (or variants), Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah), Poland, town near Warsaw, Birmingham,
England
SHORN (family of Morris and Yetta), Poland?, London, England

My name is Julie and I have just re-joined the group again, after a
wonderful trip to England to meet with some of my lost relatives.

I have been doing genealogy research for +- 5 years and I consider
myself to be an intermediate in doing Genealogy research.

I live in Edenvale, Gauteng, a small town, just east of Johannesburg,
South Africa.

My native language is English.

I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is fairly good.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 2 of my
grandparents, 4 of my great grandparents and 0 of my great, great
grandparents.

Great grand parents: A

Zallel SCHAPIRA (used various other combinations - see Below), d 1901,
Blackburn, England. I have no idea where he was born and assume about =
1839 - 1844

His wife, Chane Lea DANK, d 1891 at age 42 - Zbaraz, Galicia, she was
born in the region of Tarnopol - Smykowce - Lwiw, Lviv.
Her parents were: Aron & Chaja Sara DANK

SCHAPIRA children that survived Europe to go to England: +- between 1891
-1899 Mendel +- 1873 ? m Fanny SHAFFER 1893, Manchester England, then to =
SouthAfrica after 1908
Moses 1877, Zbaraz, Galicia to England then South Africa
Fanny +- 1879, Zbaraz Galicia d London, England 1955
Chaskel (Ezekiel Charles) 1880 Zbaraz Galicia , d. Nottingham England
1930 David 1889, Zbaraz Galicia, d. Leicester, England 1976

Great grand parents: B The surname and towns of birth for this family
remain an enigma.
Jacob LIVINGSTONE (? Original name), b. Snoalk ? Poland. +- 1849. d. ?
-Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Sarah LIVINGSTONE (? Maiden name). b. Snoalk ? Poland. +- 1841 - 1851.
d.? - Middlesbrough England 1901 census

LIVINGSTONE children that survived Europe to go to England - when ????
Janey - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1873 - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Mary - b. Plaq ? Poland / Russia 1977 d. Johannesburg 1948
Lazarus "H" - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1880 went to England an was known to
havebeen in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Lily - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1883 went to England an was known to have
been in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Percy "J" - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1884 went to England an was known to
have been in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census

Grand:
Moses (Morris) Shapero, b. Zbaraz, Galicia. 1877. m. 1898 in Blackburn
England. d. Vryheid, Natal, South Africa. 1924
wife Mary Livingstone (can't find real surname). b. Russia, Poland,
Lithuania. +- 1880. d. Johannesburg, South Africa. 1948

My primary research goals now are to find out and trace anything more
and as much about all of them, and their families as is humanly possible.
The real surname of the Livingstones, and the real names of the towns
they came >from so that I can trace the rest of their family's
To find out where Zallel and Mendel Schapira were born, and the rest of
Zallel and Chane's family

SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SCHAPIRA, SHAPIRA, SZAPIRA SHAPEERO, SHARPLES
(variations) - Zbaraz, Galicia, last date I have 1894, Austria, Russia,
Lithuania -, then Blackburn, Bolton, Prestwich, Manchester, Leicester,
Nottingham, by 1894 England to South Africa >from 1900
LIVINGSTONE, LEVINSTIEN, LAVINGSTON, LEBENSTEIN, LOWEINSTEIN,
LEWENSTEIN,(any variations) - Suwalk (i), Snoalk, Plag, Austria, Lithuania, Russia (Towns Unknown) England & New Mexico, Santa Fe, Albuquerque +_ 1920 to
date,San Francisco, California, USA
DANK - (Tarnopol - Smykowce - Lwiw, Lviv, Zbaraz, Galicia Poland) the
1800's at least.
SHAFFER - ?(Joiwin) Russia, Austria

Regards,
Julie Shapero,
South Africa,
English Speaking,

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

My name is Julie and I have just re-joined the group again, after a
wonderful trip to England to meet with some of my lost relatives.

I have been doing genealogy research for +- 5 years and I consider
myself to be an intermediate in doing Genealogy research.

I live in Edenvale, Gauteng, a small town, just east of Johannesburg,
South Africa.

My native language is English.

I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is fairly good.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 2 of my
grandparents, 4 of my great grandparents and 0 of my great, great
grandparents.

Great grand parents: A

Zallel SCHAPIRA (used various other combinations - see Below), d 1901,
Blackburn, England. I have no idea where he was born and assume about =
1839 - 1844

His wife, Chane Lea DANK, d 1891 at age 42 - Zbaraz, Galicia, she was
born in the region of Tarnopol - Smykowce - Lwiw, Lviv.
Her parents were: Aron & Chaja Sara DANK

SCHAPIRA children that survived Europe to go to England: +- between 1891
-1899 Mendel +- 1873 ? m Fanny SHAFFER 1893, Manchester England, then to =
SouthAfrica after 1908
Moses 1877, Zbaraz, Galicia to England then South Africa
Fanny +- 1879, Zbaraz Galicia d London, England 1955
Chaskel (Ezekiel Charles) 1880 Zbaraz Galicia , d. Nottingham England
1930 David 1889, Zbaraz Galicia, d. Leicester, England 1976

Great grand parents: B The surname and towns of birth for this family
remain an enigma.
Jacob LIVINGSTONE (? Original name), b. Snoalk ? Poland. +- 1849. d. ?
-Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Sarah LIVINGSTONE (? Maiden name). b. Snoalk ? Poland. +- 1841 - 1851.
d.? - Middlesbrough England 1901 census

LIVINGSTONE children that survived Europe to go to England - when ????
Janey - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1873 - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Mary - b. Plaq ? Poland / Russia 1977 d. Johannesburg 1948
Lazarus "H" - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1880 went to England an was known to
havebeen in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Lily - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1883 went to England an was known to have
been in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census
Percy "J" - b. Plaq ? Poland +- 1884 went to England an was known to
have been in New Mexico in the 1940's - Middlesbrough England 1901 census

Grand:
Moses (Morris) Shapero, b. Zbaraz, Galicia. 1877. m. 1898 in Blackburn
England. d. Vryheid, Natal, South Africa. 1924
wife Mary Livingstone (can't find real surname). b. Russia, Poland,
Lithuania. +- 1880. d. Johannesburg, South Africa. 1948

My primary research goals now are to find out and trace anything more
and as much about all of them, and their families as is humanly possible.
The real surname of the Livingstones, and the real names of the towns
they came >from so that I can trace the rest of their family's
To find out where Zallel and Mendel Schapira were born, and the rest of
Zallel and Chane's family

SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SCHAPIRA, SHAPIRA, SZAPIRA SHAPEERO, SHARPLES
(variations) - Zbaraz, Galicia, last date I have 1894, Austria, Russia,
Lithuania -, then Blackburn, Bolton, Prestwich, Manchester, Leicester,
Nottingham, by 1894 England to South Africa >from 1900
LIVINGSTONE, LEVINSTIEN, LAVINGSTON, LEBENSTEIN, LOWEINSTEIN,
LEWENSTEIN,(any variations) - Suwalk (i), Snoalk, Plag, Austria, Lithuania, Russia (Towns Unknown) England & New Mexico, Santa Fe, Albuquerque +_ 1920 to
date,San Francisco, California, USA
DANK - (Tarnopol - Smykowce - Lwiw, Lviv, Zbaraz, Galicia Poland) the
1800's at least.
SHAFFER - ?(Joiwin) Russia, Austria

Regards,
Julie Shapero,
South Africa,
English Speaking,

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I have recently determined that my mother and her family came >from Gorodok.
(It was written as Jewdok on the Ellis Island manifest.) In addition, I have
concluded that her father was born in Smotrich about 20 miles south of
Gorodok. Both Gorodok and Smotrich are in the vicinity and due north of
Kamenets-Podolskiy. My grandmother and grandfather are buried at the United
Hebrew Cemetery in Staten Island, NY in the Independent Greidinger Podolier
United Verein section.

Are there any archives that might contain information about Gorodok and its
residents prior to about 1915? If so, how can they be accessed? I'd be
interested in hearing form anyone researching Gorodok or Smotrich as well
anyone familiar with the Independent Greidinger Podolier Society in the U.S.

Names I am researching are: Schesten, Szejstin, Scheistein(er), Chestice,
Kesten.

Thanks for your help.

Barry Shay

I have recently determined that my mother and her family came >from Gorodok.
(It was written as Jewdok on the Ellis Island manifest.) In addition, I have
concluded that her father was born in Smotrich about 20 miles south of
Gorodok. Both Gorodok and Smotrich are in the vicinity and due north of
Kamenets-Podolskiy. My grandmother and grandfather are buried at the United
Hebrew Cemetery in Staten Island, NY in the Independent Greidinger Podolier
United Verein section.

Are there any archives that might contain information about Gorodok and its
residents prior to about 1915? If so, how can they be accessed? I'd be
interested in hearing form anyone researching Gorodok or Smotrich as well
anyone familiar with the Independent Greidinger Podolier Society in the U.S.

Names I am researching are: Schesten, Szejstin, Scheistein(er), Chestice,
Kesten.

Thanks for your help.

Barry Shay