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The Botoshaner Sick and Benevolent Ass'n and NY Liquidation Bureau #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

The Botoshaner Sick and Benevolent Association (or similar name, I'm doing
this >from memory) was active for many years at least as a burial society,
and I have 2 relatives, husband and wife who died almost 30 years apart,
buried in 2 different cemeteries in NYC, in plots belonging to this society.
I am trying to find their families of course. (name comes >from Botosani,
Romania) I have been told that the society was liquidated about 10 years
ago, and the remaining spaces deeded among the members at the time. I have
also been told to check with the NY Liquidation Bureau about the possibility
of records being in their possession. Has anyone heard of this office or
dealt with it? Is it a local or state office? Has anyone tried to locate
records of this association? I saw on line that YIVO has something but I'm
trying to cover all possibilities. Will YIVO let me look in the box listed
as having something about this association by myself? Is there a chance that
there are actually lists of members there (at YIVO)? Is there anywhere else
I might look for records of this society? Can I find a list of NYC
cemeteries which have plot of this society or should I just start calling at
random? I am thinking that other members of this family might be buried in
plots of this society in other cemeteries, since the husband and wife are in
2 different places.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Botoshaner Sick and Benevolent Ass'n and NY Liquidation Bureau #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

The Botoshaner Sick and Benevolent Association (or similar name, I'm doing
this >from memory) was active for many years at least as a burial society,
and I have 2 relatives, husband and wife who died almost 30 years apart,
buried in 2 different cemeteries in NYC, in plots belonging to this society.
I am trying to find their families of course. (name comes >from Botosani,
Romania) I have been told that the society was liquidated about 10 years
ago, and the remaining spaces deeded among the members at the time. I have
also been told to check with the NY Liquidation Bureau about the possibility
of records being in their possession. Has anyone heard of this office or
dealt with it? Is it a local or state office? Has anyone tried to locate
records of this association? I saw on line that YIVO has something but I'm
trying to cover all possibilities. Will YIVO let me look in the box listed
as having something about this association by myself? Is there a chance that
there are actually lists of members there (at YIVO)? Is there anywhere else
I might look for records of this society? Can I find a list of NYC
cemeteries which have plot of this society or should I just start calling at
random? I am thinking that other members of this family might be buried in
plots of this society in other cemeteries, since the husband and wife are in
2 different places.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


California Death Certificates #general

Rosalind
 

Please would someone tell me if I have the facts about a relative >from an
internet genealogy listing (paid type) and it gives her mother's maiden
name, is that all I would see on the actual death cerificate or would I
find extra information like where they were >from or other?
What other?
This is specific to California death certs.
Thank you
Ros Romem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen California Death Certificates #general

Rosalind
 

Please would someone tell me if I have the facts about a relative >from an
internet genealogy listing (paid type) and it gives her mother's maiden
name, is that all I would see on the actual death cerificate or would I
find extra information like where they were >from or other?
What other?
This is specific to California death certs.
Thank you
Ros Romem


Sommers Monuments; NYC (or NJ?) #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

Has anyone heard of Sommers Monuments, in NYC or possibly NJ? I would like
to find out who paid for a monument about 40 years ago. It's at Mt. Lebanon
Cemetery, in Queens, NY. Is there a current monument firm which could have
taken over and might have records? Is there a trade organization for
monument companies which I might ask?

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sommers Monuments; NYC (or NJ?) #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

Has anyone heard of Sommers Monuments, in NYC or possibly NJ? I would like
to find out who paid for a monument about 40 years ago. It's at Mt. Lebanon
Cemetery, in Queens, NY. Is there a current monument firm which could have
taken over and might have records? Is there a trade organization for
monument companies which I might ask?

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


Cemetery issues #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

I visited for the first time 2 days ago the grave of a relative whose family
I am hoping to find. (Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Queens, NY) The gravestone
brought up some questions I hope to have answered by the members of this
group. The monument was inscribed "Beloved mother". I know that this woman
was a widow and had 2 daughters who at the time of her death would have been
over 60 years old. What are the chances that there were also grandchildren?
Can I assume no grandchildren because the inscription does not read "Beloved
mother and grandmother"?

The bottom of the monument was inscribed "Forever in my heart". Other graves
I saw were inscribed "Forever in our hearts". I know for a fact that one of
her daughters was alive when she died because she is signed on the death
certificate. Can I assume that "in my heart" implies only one surviving
relative? Since not all monuments have this inscription, is there a special
circumstance when it is used?

To my very great surprise, there were 2 stones on the monument, and to my
even greater surprise, the day I was there was this woman's birthday (Jan.
1)! The stones were the size of small eggs/large walnuts, and were not of
the kind to be found on the ground around the grave. How long do stones that
size "last" on a monument? We had a blizzard here on the north-east coast
about a month ago. Would such stones have survived the blizzard, could they
be years old or recent? Interestingly enough, the grave on one side of this
woman was the only other grave in this portion with stones on it (also 2,
and also not of the type found on the ground right there). I'm thinking of
the possibility that the adjacent grave is a relative also (or a friend),
even though the name doesn't mean anything to me.

Is there a custom to visit graves on Jan 1? For me it was pure coincidence,
but seeing that this was this woman's birthday was amazing. It's certainly
an easy birthday to remember, and I'm wondering if there was anyone else
there before me that same day. The cemetery office told me no one has asked
for directions to this plot recently, the death occurred almost 40 years
ago, and a letter to the contact person on record was not answered (but not
returned, either). The office would not give me the address of the contact
person, only the name (they forwarded my letter), but the name is too common
for me to track down.

Both the funeral home and the monument company involved are out of business,
and the grave is in a plot of a burial society which was liquidated about 10
years ago. I will ask about all these in separate messages because I want
the subject line to reflect specifics.

Any thoughts on these issues would be appreciated.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemetery issues #general

Monica Talmor <mtalmor@...>
 

I visited for the first time 2 days ago the grave of a relative whose family
I am hoping to find. (Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Queens, NY) The gravestone
brought up some questions I hope to have answered by the members of this
group. The monument was inscribed "Beloved mother". I know that this woman
was a widow and had 2 daughters who at the time of her death would have been
over 60 years old. What are the chances that there were also grandchildren?
Can I assume no grandchildren because the inscription does not read "Beloved
mother and grandmother"?

The bottom of the monument was inscribed "Forever in my heart". Other graves
I saw were inscribed "Forever in our hearts". I know for a fact that one of
her daughters was alive when she died because she is signed on the death
certificate. Can I assume that "in my heart" implies only one surviving
relative? Since not all monuments have this inscription, is there a special
circumstance when it is used?

To my very great surprise, there were 2 stones on the monument, and to my
even greater surprise, the day I was there was this woman's birthday (Jan.
1)! The stones were the size of small eggs/large walnuts, and were not of
the kind to be found on the ground around the grave. How long do stones that
size "last" on a monument? We had a blizzard here on the north-east coast
about a month ago. Would such stones have survived the blizzard, could they
be years old or recent? Interestingly enough, the grave on one side of this
woman was the only other grave in this portion with stones on it (also 2,
and also not of the type found on the ground right there). I'm thinking of
the possibility that the adjacent grave is a relative also (or a friend),
even though the name doesn't mean anything to me.

Is there a custom to visit graves on Jan 1? For me it was pure coincidence,
but seeing that this was this woman's birthday was amazing. It's certainly
an easy birthday to remember, and I'm wondering if there was anyone else
there before me that same day. The cemetery office told me no one has asked
for directions to this plot recently, the death occurred almost 40 years
ago, and a letter to the contact person on record was not answered (but not
returned, either). The office would not give me the address of the contact
person, only the name (they forwarded my letter), but the name is too common
for me to track down.

Both the funeral home and the monument company involved are out of business,
and the grave is in a plot of a burial society which was liquidated about 10
years ago. I will ask about all these in separate messages because I want
the subject line to reflect specifics.

Any thoughts on these issues would be appreciated.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


Esther KARETSKY #general

Phyllis Forman <MMysticSpirit@...>
 

Hi,
While searching through a box of old negatives,
I found an old photo, belonging to my grandmother.
I had uploaded the photo to Viewmate - but switched my isp,
shortly after doing that - so the contact info is outdated.

I've since added a page to my family webpages, to try to
connect Esther with her family (and possibly find if
she is related; although, I don't think she is - I think
she was a friend of the family).

Anyway, if anyone is looking for Esther Karetsky, she
can now be seen at
http://fill4man.tripod.com/estherkaretsky/

thanks,
Phyllis Forman
USA
Researching: EPSTEIN, FORMAN, MILL, CREAM (Kremyanski), KANTOFSKY,
SILVERMAN/SILBERMAN/ZILBERMAN, YANKELVICH/YANKLEVICH
http://fill4man.tripod.com/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Esther KARETSKY #general

Phyllis Forman <MMysticSpirit@...>
 

Hi,
While searching through a box of old negatives,
I found an old photo, belonging to my grandmother.
I had uploaded the photo to Viewmate - but switched my isp,
shortly after doing that - so the contact info is outdated.

I've since added a page to my family webpages, to try to
connect Esther with her family (and possibly find if
she is related; although, I don't think she is - I think
she was a friend of the family).

Anyway, if anyone is looking for Esther Karetsky, she
can now be seen at
http://fill4man.tripod.com/estherkaretsky/

thanks,
Phyllis Forman
USA
Researching: EPSTEIN, FORMAN, MILL, CREAM (Kremyanski), KANTOFSKY,
SILVERMAN/SILBERMAN/ZILBERMAN, YANKELVICH/YANKLEVICH
http://fill4man.tripod.com/


GOLDEN/GOLDIN #rabbinic

Robert Shustack <rshustack@...>
 

I recently learned of a family connection to a Rabbi Hyman GOLDEN
(or GOLDIN). The connection is through his wife Hannah. I was told
that he was a prison rabbi and wrote several books. I believe that
they lived in New York, but not certain. Does anyone know of or have
any information about Hyman GOLDEN and his family?

Regards,

Bob Shustack
Montreal, Canada

Researching: BASS, Wien; BRAUDE, Vabalninkas (Lith.); GRAF, Wien,
Mikulov (Cz.); GROTTE, Kopidlno (Cz.); HELLER, Wien, Kopidlno (Cz.);
KOBLER, Wien; MOSCOVITCH, Russia; REICHNER, Wien; ROMAN,
Wien; SCHIFFMANN, Berlin; SCHLANGER, Lith.; SCHWARZ, Mikulov
(Cz.); SEIDEL, Vabalninkas (Lith.); SHUSTACK, Scucyn (Bel.); TOCH,
Wien; WAGNER, Russia; WINTERSTEIN - Budapest


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic GOLDEN/GOLDIN #rabbinic

Robert Shustack <rshustack@...>
 

I recently learned of a family connection to a Rabbi Hyman GOLDEN
(or GOLDIN). The connection is through his wife Hannah. I was told
that he was a prison rabbi and wrote several books. I believe that
they lived in New York, but not certain. Does anyone know of or have
any information about Hyman GOLDEN and his family?

Regards,

Bob Shustack
Montreal, Canada

Researching: BASS, Wien; BRAUDE, Vabalninkas (Lith.); GRAF, Wien,
Mikulov (Cz.); GROTTE, Kopidlno (Cz.); HELLER, Wien, Kopidlno (Cz.);
KOBLER, Wien; MOSCOVITCH, Russia; REICHNER, Wien; ROMAN,
Wien; SCHIFFMANN, Berlin; SCHLANGER, Lith.; SCHWARZ, Mikulov
(Cz.); SEIDEL, Vabalninkas (Lith.); SHUSTACK, Scucyn (Bel.); TOCH,
Wien; WAGNER, Russia; WINTERSTEIN - Budapest


Rabbi Dr. Julius Max BACH of Vienna #rabbinic

Marilyn Sheridan <marilyns@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

I would like to know about the life of Rabbi Julius Max BACH of
Vienna, and about his family.

During the 1930s and possibly earlier, Rabbi BACH was the rabbi at
the shul on Hubergasse in Vienna's 16th district (Ottakring). My
father, Bernhard SIGAL, went to that shul.

I heard that Rabbi BACH was married and had at least one son and one
daughter, and that his entire family disappeared and were probably
murdered in a concentration camp.

I also heard that Rabbi BACH somehow managed to escape to the USA
(probably NYC) either during WWII or shortly thereafter. And that
he died >from grief not long after that.

Also, I believe my father's uncle, Berl (Bernhard) LEMLER, was the
shammes and/or cantor at that shul.

I would be grateful for any information or references.

Marilyn Sheridan (Miriam SIGAL)
Tucson, AZ, USA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Dr. Julius Max BACH of Vienna #rabbinic

Marilyn Sheridan <marilyns@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

I would like to know about the life of Rabbi Julius Max BACH of
Vienna, and about his family.

During the 1930s and possibly earlier, Rabbi BACH was the rabbi at
the shul on Hubergasse in Vienna's 16th district (Ottakring). My
father, Bernhard SIGAL, went to that shul.

I heard that Rabbi BACH was married and had at least one son and one
daughter, and that his entire family disappeared and were probably
murdered in a concentration camp.

I also heard that Rabbi BACH somehow managed to escape to the USA
(probably NYC) either during WWII or shortly thereafter. And that
he died >from grief not long after that.

Also, I believe my father's uncle, Berl (Bernhard) LEMLER, was the
shammes and/or cantor at that shul.

I would be grateful for any information or references.

Marilyn Sheridan (Miriam SIGAL)
Tucson, AZ, USA


Re: Gibany.... #romania

Arnett <arnett1@...>
 

Can anyone please tell me if they have heard of a village
of Kishinev called Gibany?

Is there a Yizkor book for Kishinev?

Thank you,
Lisa Arnett

MODERATOR NOTE: For listings of many available Yizkor Books see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/database.html


Romania SIG #Romania RE: Gibany.... #romania

Arnett <arnett1@...>
 

Can anyone please tell me if they have heard of a village
of Kishinev called Gibany?

Is there a Yizkor book for Kishinev?

Thank you,
Lisa Arnett

MODERATOR NOTE: For listings of many available Yizkor Books see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/database.html


Biography of Baron de Hirsch #lithuania

HeyJudy123@...
 

I have been able to obtain an out-of-print copy of the book MOSES OF THE
NEW WORLD by Samuel Lee, a biography of the Baron Moritz de Hirsch.

This is far >from a perfect work of scholarship, as circumspection
apparently has caused the author to be discreet--too discreet--about
certain aspects of the Baron's life.

Still, there is no doubt that the Baron was dedicated to the Jewish
people, intentionally planning to leave every cent of his vast fortune to
Jewish philanthropies. The story of how his fortune was accumulated is a
fascinating one, and so is the related information on the condition of the
European Jews in the late 19th Century and the charities that the Baron
founded to assist them.

I have no financial interest in this book and, if anyone can recommend
an additional biography of this wonderful (albeit complicated) man, I would
be pleased to be informed of its existence.

Judy Segal
New York City

researching SEGAL of Lithuania (probably Shavli,) St. Petersburg, London,
other cities in Britain, NYC; SIMON of the shtetl of ILYA (now in Belarus,
then in the Vilna Gubernyia,) NYC; ROGOFF, KORN, ROBBINS of 19th Century
Lithuania, NYC, BAYERN and HERSHKOWITZ (exact spelling unknown) of Budapest
and KOSICE (formerly Kashau) of modern Slovakia, NYC, Ohio, SCHWARTZBERG,
probably of Kishinev, now Moldavia, then Ukraine, NYC, Canada.


REST / LEIBOVICH, etc. #lithuania

Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
 

Thanks to the many who responded to my not-very-well-thought-out
question. Here is a little more information which further explains
my confusion over this matter:

To reiterate: The name Ephraim Leibovich REST appears on an army
record in "old Russian" (as described by my cousin who has this
document in her possession)- dated 1901.


1) It does appear by this paper that his father's name was Leib REST.
However, there are no RESTs with the given name Leib going back to
about 1800, that we have yet found. Not even close. So, we're trying
to figure out where he might fit in. Yes, of course, we may have
missed somewhere....

2) the REST family has many, many repeating given names and Ephraim
is not one of them. Also, none of the other siblings or cousins have
the name Leibovitch, or Lieb attached to their names. Perhaps it has
something to do with the fact that this was an army record? Some of
you have suggested that this, indeed might be the case-- that this
person changed his name to possible avoid the army. In fact, many/most
of the RESTs had already left for the US or South Africa by 1901, so
perhaps, as one person suggested, the last name was changed to REST so
that he would be 'the only male REST' and hence avoid being
transcripted.

3) The only reason I brought up Ari Leib SHER or KIRSHNER, is that he
was the father of Fruma REST nee SHER or KIRSHNER. Fruma's father's
name is the only Leib of record at this time close to the REST family.
If Ephraim Leibovich REST is the son of this particular Leib....he
wouldn't have the last name of REST. Right? So, there must be another
Leib out there somewhere??

Some of you wondered why the two names, SHER and KIRSHNER. According
to Latvian Archival records, Fruma (daughter of Ari Leib) has maiden
name listed as SHER and as KIRSHNER in different records. ( Family
also lived in Plunge, Lithuania...)


Hope that cleared it up a bit...it is rather convoluted... I wouldn't
have even thought this person was a relative, except that my cousin has
the army record, handed down through the family. And >from what I've
found in searching many databases, the REST (originally RESHT) family
name is very unusual in the areas of Lithuania/Latvia >from which they
hail.


Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Biography of Baron de Hirsch #lithuania

HeyJudy123@...
 

I have been able to obtain an out-of-print copy of the book MOSES OF THE
NEW WORLD by Samuel Lee, a biography of the Baron Moritz de Hirsch.

This is far >from a perfect work of scholarship, as circumspection
apparently has caused the author to be discreet--too discreet--about
certain aspects of the Baron's life.

Still, there is no doubt that the Baron was dedicated to the Jewish
people, intentionally planning to leave every cent of his vast fortune to
Jewish philanthropies. The story of how his fortune was accumulated is a
fascinating one, and so is the related information on the condition of the
European Jews in the late 19th Century and the charities that the Baron
founded to assist them.

I have no financial interest in this book and, if anyone can recommend
an additional biography of this wonderful (albeit complicated) man, I would
be pleased to be informed of its existence.

Judy Segal
New York City

researching SEGAL of Lithuania (probably Shavli,) St. Petersburg, London,
other cities in Britain, NYC; SIMON of the shtetl of ILYA (now in Belarus,
then in the Vilna Gubernyia,) NYC; ROGOFF, KORN, ROBBINS of 19th Century
Lithuania, NYC, BAYERN and HERSHKOWITZ (exact spelling unknown) of Budapest
and KOSICE (formerly Kashau) of modern Slovakia, NYC, Ohio, SCHWARTZBERG,
probably of Kishinev, now Moldavia, then Ukraine, NYC, Canada.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania REST / LEIBOVICH, etc. #lithuania

Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
 

Thanks to the many who responded to my not-very-well-thought-out
question. Here is a little more information which further explains
my confusion over this matter:

To reiterate: The name Ephraim Leibovich REST appears on an army
record in "old Russian" (as described by my cousin who has this
document in her possession)- dated 1901.


1) It does appear by this paper that his father's name was Leib REST.
However, there are no RESTs with the given name Leib going back to
about 1800, that we have yet found. Not even close. So, we're trying
to figure out where he might fit in. Yes, of course, we may have
missed somewhere....

2) the REST family has many, many repeating given names and Ephraim
is not one of them. Also, none of the other siblings or cousins have
the name Leibovitch, or Lieb attached to their names. Perhaps it has
something to do with the fact that this was an army record? Some of
you have suggested that this, indeed might be the case-- that this
person changed his name to possible avoid the army. In fact, many/most
of the RESTs had already left for the US or South Africa by 1901, so
perhaps, as one person suggested, the last name was changed to REST so
that he would be 'the only male REST' and hence avoid being
transcripted.

3) The only reason I brought up Ari Leib SHER or KIRSHNER, is that he
was the father of Fruma REST nee SHER or KIRSHNER. Fruma's father's
name is the only Leib of record at this time close to the REST family.
If Ephraim Leibovich REST is the son of this particular Leib....he
wouldn't have the last name of REST. Right? So, there must be another
Leib out there somewhere??

Some of you wondered why the two names, SHER and KIRSHNER. According
to Latvian Archival records, Fruma (daughter of Ari Leib) has maiden
name listed as SHER and as KIRSHNER in different records. ( Family
also lived in Plunge, Lithuania...)


Hope that cleared it up a bit...it is rather convoluted... I wouldn't
have even thought this person was a relative, except that my cousin has
the army record, handed down through the family. And >from what I've
found in searching many databases, the REST (originally RESHT) family
name is very unusual in the areas of Lithuania/Latvia >from which they
hail.


Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA