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Re: warszawa digest: December 15, 2003 #warsaw #poland

Anna Rogozinska <milady@...>
 

Hi,

WRGd> I have a copy of what appears to be my father's gymnasium graduation papers.
WRGd> It reads, "Kuratorjum Okregu Szkolnego Warszawskiego Panstowowa Komisja
WRGd> Egzaminacyjna. Swiadectwo Dojrzalosci" It then goes on to say, "po
WRGd> ukonczeniu nauki w 1 szem Gimnazijum meskiem Zwiazku Zawodowego
WRGd> Nauczycielstwa Polskich Fzkot [or Lzkot] Fredrich w Warszawie" and it goes
WRGd> on later to give what I believe is his student number. My question is this:
WRGd> Does any of this information indicate what gymnasium he attended?
Yes. It's the 1st Male Gymnasium of Teachers' Trade's Union
Fzkot(Lzkot) Fredrich in Warsaw.


WRGd> there is a stamped addition that says, "Uniwersytet Warszawski
WRGd> Imatrykulowany dn 30 IX 1930 jako student ___ Wyds. pvawa L. Alb. 33258".
WRGd> Would this be his student I.D. number at the University of Warsaw?
Yes, to be exact it seems he was a student of the Law Faculty.

Anna


Re: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ #poland #warsaw

Gary Mokotoff (Optonline) <garymokotoff@...>
 

It is unnecessary to locate a hard copy of the registry. It complete
contents are on JewishGen at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/.
That site was not functioning about a week ago but is now.

Gary Mokotoff


Kaplanski's in Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Miguel Kaplansky <mkaplansky@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I heard that my grandfather MICHAEL KAPLANSKI went >from Warsaw to Kamenets
Litovsk before 1890 (then Poland, now Kamenets, Belarus).
There, he married my grandmother Fruma Rivka Solnitza and had three sons and
two daughters (Ayzik Berel, my father born in 1891, Yacov, Leib, Lea and
Chaia).
In the long time I was looking for my fathers ancestors I could find the
same surname but I do not know if we are related, in the following places:
1) Warsaw Phone Book 1939/1940 (through National Library >from Australia)
Kaplanska H., lek, desntysta, Pawia 54
Kaplanski I., agent filmowy, Jerozolimska 27
Kaplanski Miron, m., Twarda 32
2) Jewish Records Indexing - Poland - Warsaw Cemetery Records
Kaplanska Roza - Born 01 Nov 1913 - Died 01 Nov 1941
Kaplanska Tauba - ?
Kaplanska Towa - ?
Kaplanski Natan - Born 01 Nov 1899 - Died 01 Nov 1942
Kaplanski Natan - Born 01 Nov 1901 - Died 01 Nov 1942 ?
Kaplanski Majer - ?
3) Received >from Tomek Wisniewski - Bialystok
an Identity Card issued on 5 November 1935 by R. Universita degli studi di
Genova "Tessera di Riconoscimento" to
Kaplanski Meer, son >from Iankiel and Jenta Rozenfeld, born in Warsaw 0n 27
May 1913
Address: Noschifne 10/53, Warsaw
certifying that he has been registered at the University at the First
Academic Year of Medicine and Surgery for year 1936/1937

All my father's family was killed durnig WWII. Only my father survived
because he emigrated to Argentina in 1924 but he passed away in 1956.
I would like to know if somebody heard or knew about the persons I detailed
and if they can be related to my grandfather, Michael Kaplansky.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Please, answer privately.
Miguel Kaplansky
Mansilla 2431
(1121AAA) Buenos Aires
Argentina
Phone/Fax: 54(Argentina) - 11 (Buenos Aires) - 4-963-7230


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: warszawa digest: December 15, 2003 #warsaw #poland

Anna Rogozinska <milady@...>
 

Hi,

WRGd> I have a copy of what appears to be my father's gymnasium graduation papers.
WRGd> It reads, "Kuratorjum Okregu Szkolnego Warszawskiego Panstowowa Komisja
WRGd> Egzaminacyjna. Swiadectwo Dojrzalosci" It then goes on to say, "po
WRGd> ukonczeniu nauki w 1 szem Gimnazijum meskiem Zwiazku Zawodowego
WRGd> Nauczycielstwa Polskich Fzkot [or Lzkot] Fredrich w Warszawie" and it goes
WRGd> on later to give what I believe is his student number. My question is this:
WRGd> Does any of this information indicate what gymnasium he attended?
Yes. It's the 1st Male Gymnasium of Teachers' Trade's Union
Fzkot(Lzkot) Fredrich in Warsaw.


WRGd> there is a stamped addition that says, "Uniwersytet Warszawski
WRGd> Imatrykulowany dn 30 IX 1930 jako student ___ Wyds. pvawa L. Alb. 33258".
WRGd> Would this be his student I.D. number at the University of Warsaw?
Yes, to be exact it seems he was a student of the Law Faculty.

Anna


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland RE: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ #warsaw #poland

Gary Mokotoff (Optonline) <garymokotoff@...>
 

It is unnecessary to locate a hard copy of the registry. It complete
contents are on JewishGen at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/.
That site was not functioning about a week ago but is now.

Gary Mokotoff


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Kaplanski's in Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Miguel Kaplansky <mkaplansky@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I heard that my grandfather MICHAEL KAPLANSKI went >from Warsaw to Kamenets
Litovsk before 1890 (then Poland, now Kamenets, Belarus).
There, he married my grandmother Fruma Rivka Solnitza and had three sons and
two daughters (Ayzik Berel, my father born in 1891, Yacov, Leib, Lea and
Chaia).
In the long time I was looking for my fathers ancestors I could find the
same surname but I do not know if we are related, in the following places:
1) Warsaw Phone Book 1939/1940 (through National Library >from Australia)
Kaplanska H., lek, desntysta, Pawia 54
Kaplanski I., agent filmowy, Jerozolimska 27
Kaplanski Miron, m., Twarda 32
2) Jewish Records Indexing - Poland - Warsaw Cemetery Records
Kaplanska Roza - Born 01 Nov 1913 - Died 01 Nov 1941
Kaplanska Tauba - ?
Kaplanska Towa - ?
Kaplanski Natan - Born 01 Nov 1899 - Died 01 Nov 1942
Kaplanski Natan - Born 01 Nov 1901 - Died 01 Nov 1942 ?
Kaplanski Majer - ?
3) Received >from Tomek Wisniewski - Bialystok
an Identity Card issued on 5 November 1935 by R. Universita degli studi di
Genova "Tessera di Riconoscimento" to
Kaplanski Meer, son >from Iankiel and Jenta Rozenfeld, born in Warsaw 0n 27
May 1913
Address: Noschifne 10/53, Warsaw
certifying that he has been registered at the University at the First
Academic Year of Medicine and Surgery for year 1936/1937

All my father's family was killed durnig WWII. Only my father survived
because he emigrated to Argentina in 1924 but he passed away in 1956.
I would like to know if somebody heard or knew about the persons I detailed
and if they can be related to my grandfather, Michael Kaplansky.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Please, answer privately.
Miguel Kaplansky
Mansilla 2431
(1121AAA) Buenos Aires
Argentina
Phone/Fax: 54(Argentina) - 11 (Buenos Aires) - 4-963-7230


Dvinsk database? #latvia

Barbara Krueger <krueger@...>
 

Where can I find the Families of Dvinsk Database? I am looking for
BORTZ, BALLANOFF and LIN >from Dvinsk. But they stayed until 1904
and 1907.

Barbara Krueger
krueger@seniorresource.com
http://www.seniorresource.com
877.793.7901
858.793.7901
Fax:858.792.9080
PO Box 781
Del Mar, CA 92014-0781


Latvia SIG #Latvia Dvinsk database? #latvia

Barbara Krueger <krueger@...>
 

Where can I find the Families of Dvinsk Database? I am looking for
BORTZ, BALLANOFF and LIN >from Dvinsk. But they stayed until 1904
and 1907.

Barbara Krueger
krueger@seniorresource.com
http://www.seniorresource.com
877.793.7901
858.793.7901
Fax:858.792.9080
PO Box 781
Del Mar, CA 92014-0781


Trip to Latvia after Jerusalem2004 #latvia

Barbara Siegel
 

**********************************************************************
Thinking of visiting your ancestral shtetls?
Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there!
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/
**********************************************************************

Dear Latvian researchers,

I would very much like to find out if there is any interest among
you in putting together a research trip to Latvia after the IAJGS
International Jewish Genealogy Conference in Jerusalem July 4-9,
2004.

Some of us have made the trip in the past and are ready for a repeat
go, and for others it could be a first. Planning now just might give
us enough time to contact the Latvian Archives with our informational
requests.

Important to note is the fact that, for those coming to the Conference
from North America and other distant sites, the flight time >from Israel
to Riga is relatively short--aprox. 3 hours.

So, please let me hear >from any interested parties.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@netvision.net.il
Jerusalem

Searching: FRIEDLANDER,Ventspils,Bausk,Auce; HERTZBERG,Tukums;
LEVINSON,Grobin?

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Remember JewishGen's Shtetlschleppers:
You might want to check with JewishGen's Shtetlschleppers
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any assistance or if they are planning to run trips post
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Trip to Latvia after Jerusalem2004 #latvia

Barbara Siegel
 

**********************************************************************
Thinking of visiting your ancestral shtetls?
Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there!
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/
**********************************************************************

Dear Latvian researchers,

I would very much like to find out if there is any interest among
you in putting together a research trip to Latvia after the IAJGS
International Jewish Genealogy Conference in Jerusalem July 4-9,
2004.

Some of us have made the trip in the past and are ready for a repeat
go, and for others it could be a first. Planning now just might give
us enough time to contact the Latvian Archives with our informational
requests.

Important to note is the fact that, for those coming to the Conference
from North America and other distant sites, the flight time >from Israel
to Riga is relatively short--aprox. 3 hours.

So, please let me hear >from any interested parties.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@netvision.net.il
Jerusalem

Searching: FRIEDLANDER,Ventspils,Bausk,Auce; HERTZBERG,Tukums;
LEVINSON,Grobin?

------------------------------------------------------------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
Remember JewishGen's Shtetlschleppers:
You might want to check with JewishGen's Shtetlschleppers
shtetlschleppers@jewishgen.org to see if they can be of
any assistance or if they are planning to run trips post
conference.
------------------------------------------------------------------


UBERSFELD/OBSTFELD #general

Deborah Wiener <debw@...>
 

Hi all
my paternal great grandfather on his mother's side(i.e. father's maternal
grandfather) name was UBERSFELD. However, previously it was OBSTFELD. Most
of the family seemed to have changed it >from Obstfeld to ubersfeld about
1860. However, I don't believe they all did, and indeed, some reverted to
Obstfeld.
Can anyone shed any light on why the change?
Debbie wiener,Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UBERSFELD/OBSTFELD #general

Deborah Wiener <debw@...>
 

Hi all
my paternal great grandfather on his mother's side(i.e. father's maternal
grandfather) name was UBERSFELD. However, previously it was OBSTFELD. Most
of the family seemed to have changed it >from Obstfeld to ubersfeld about
1860. However, I don't believe they all did, and indeed, some reverted to
Obstfeld.
Can anyone shed any light on why the change?
Debbie wiener,Melbourne, Australia


Re: bialystok digest: December 15, 2003 #poland

Michael Palmer <m.palmer@...>
 

Allan,

Did you do searches in JewishGen (www.jewishgen.org/index.html) for your
family names? If you look down the right side (it appears near the top
AND near the bottom of the JewishGen home page) you will see "Search
this website." Try it! Looking at their Web Pages I get 8 hits for
Pruzanski, 3 for Treszcan and 216 for Fink, including 72 in the Pinkus
Krynki pages!!! >from there you can also do searches of the Family
Finder, Group Archives and JewishGen Data Bases. Enjoy!!

Michael Palmer (Pinkus Krynki coordinator)
ps, I will notify JGen about the misspelling in the Necrology.
pps You will note that there are many spellings of your names,
especially Pruzanski and Treszcan. That can keep you busy!



1. Family >from Krynki

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Subject: Family >from Krynki
From: <allan@gothicmeadows.com.au>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:08:01 Pacific Standard Time
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear All,
I have only recently 'discovered' the BRRG whilst looking for my ancestors.
My Mother was born in Krynik and I am looking for her ancestors.
The Family Names I am looking for are:-
Pruzanski
Treszczan
Fink

ANy help would be greatly appreciated.

Incidentally, I noticed that the translated NECROLOGY section of the Pinkas Krynki book has my relatives listed as Fruzanski and not Pruzanski. Who should I write to about this.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this is essentially a private message, we are publishing it on this list because it contains research suggestions that may be of broader interest.


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: bialystok digest: December 15, 2003 #poland

Michael Palmer <m.palmer@...>
 

Allan,

Did you do searches in JewishGen (www.jewishgen.org/index.html) for your
family names? If you look down the right side (it appears near the top
AND near the bottom of the JewishGen home page) you will see "Search
this website." Try it! Looking at their Web Pages I get 8 hits for
Pruzanski, 3 for Treszcan and 216 for Fink, including 72 in the Pinkus
Krynki pages!!! >from there you can also do searches of the Family
Finder, Group Archives and JewishGen Data Bases. Enjoy!!

Michael Palmer (Pinkus Krynki coordinator)
ps, I will notify JGen about the misspelling in the Necrology.
pps You will note that there are many spellings of your names,
especially Pruzanski and Treszcan. That can keep you busy!



1. Family >from Krynki

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Family >from Krynki
From: <allan@gothicmeadows.com.au>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:08:01 Pacific Standard Time
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear All,
I have only recently 'discovered' the BRRG whilst looking for my ancestors.
My Mother was born in Krynik and I am looking for her ancestors.
The Family Names I am looking for are:-
Pruzanski
Treszczan
Fink

ANy help would be greatly appreciated.

Incidentally, I noticed that the translated NECROLOGY section of the Pinkas Krynki book has my relatives listed as Fruzanski and not Pruzanski. Who should I write to about this.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this is essentially a private message, we are publishing it on this list because it contains research suggestions that may be of broader interest.


Re: town names that cause confusion - Zurow, formerly Austria #poland

Hazanjo <hazanjo@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Stern" <brians99@earthlink.net>

Obviously genealogy researchers need to be diligent in determining all the
names of their ancestral towns. Just as obviously, not all are able to do
so. Having strict naming rules that result in ancestral towns being known
by names that are irrelevant to Jewish genealogy seems odd, at best.
I'm not sure if my confusion is caused in quite the same way as what you've
described, but I'm not totally clear about where ancestral town fits in. I
received this response >from Mark Halpern (thank you Mark!) which explains
somewhat, but I'm still not sure where I should see Zurow listed on the JRI
Poland site and to where I could be sending my donation. Here's what Mark
said:

Zurow was a town in the Rohatyn (Rogatin now) Jewish
administrative district during Austrian rule of Galicia. I think
Zurow is now Zhurov, located at coordinates 4919, 2427 about 10
miles >from Rohatyn. All vital records for Zurow would have been
registered during Austrian rule in Rohatyn. I would not expect to
find your town listed in the Routes to Roots database as it was
too small. I do not think Dzhuruv is the same town as
Shtetlseeker shows this town to be 77 miles away >from Rohatyn.<<

Thanks,
Hazel Sandow Boon
Searching: HABER - Zhuróv, Ukraine; STARK - Warsaw, Poland;
SADOFSKY/SADOWSKY - Lodz, Poland; KANET/KANNETT - Czyzewo, Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: town names that cause confusion - Zurow, formerly Austria #poland

Hazanjo <hazanjo@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Stern" <brians99@earthlink.net>

Obviously genealogy researchers need to be diligent in determining all the
names of their ancestral towns. Just as obviously, not all are able to do
so. Having strict naming rules that result in ancestral towns being known
by names that are irrelevant to Jewish genealogy seems odd, at best.
I'm not sure if my confusion is caused in quite the same way as what you've
described, but I'm not totally clear about where ancestral town fits in. I
received this response >from Mark Halpern (thank you Mark!) which explains
somewhat, but I'm still not sure where I should see Zurow listed on the JRI
Poland site and to where I could be sending my donation. Here's what Mark
said:

Zurow was a town in the Rohatyn (Rogatin now) Jewish
administrative district during Austrian rule of Galicia. I think
Zurow is now Zhurov, located at coordinates 4919, 2427 about 10
miles >from Rohatyn. All vital records for Zurow would have been
registered during Austrian rule in Rohatyn. I would not expect to
find your town listed in the Routes to Roots database as it was
too small. I do not think Dzhuruv is the same town as
Shtetlseeker shows this town to be 77 miles away >from Rohatyn.<<

Thanks,
Hazel Sandow Boon
Searching: HABER - Zhuróv, Ukraine; STARK - Warsaw, Poland;
SADOFSKY/SADOWSKY - Lodz, Poland; KANET/KANNETT - Czyzewo, Poland


Early 1900's Leeds #unitedkingdom

Stephen Cohen <susam@...>
 

My great grandfather had the habit of changing his name a number of times.
He was variously called 'The Magyar' or 'Mager'.He arrived in England around
the 1870's >from Hungary and lived for a while in the East End of London
where my Grandmother was born (1883). My Great-grandmother (
'Yettra/Jettron') apparently died at child birth. My Great Grandfather then
moved at some time to Leeds where he changed his name and wives at least
twice.

I remember when I was very young my Grandmother mentioned that for a while
she worked in Leeds market for a man named Marks - Marks & Spencer. I also
recall that a so called cousin named Bernard visited us in London in the
early 1960's.

I would like very much to try and trace the Leeds family if it still exists.


Stephen Cohen

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond off list


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Early 1900's Leeds #unitedkingdom

Stephen Cohen <susam@...>
 

My great grandfather had the habit of changing his name a number of times.
He was variously called 'The Magyar' or 'Mager'.He arrived in England around
the 1870's >from Hungary and lived for a while in the East End of London
where my Grandmother was born (1883). My Great-grandmother (
'Yettra/Jettron') apparently died at child birth. My Great Grandfather then
moved at some time to Leeds where he changed his name and wives at least
twice.

I remember when I was very young my Grandmother mentioned that for a while
she worked in Leeds market for a man named Marks - Marks & Spencer. I also
recall that a so called cousin named Bernard visited us in London in the
early 1960's.

I would like very much to try and trace the Leeds family if it still exists.


Stephen Cohen

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond off list


Hungarian Magnate records #hungary

henry wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I just came back >from a short trip to the "Big Apple" and found all =
these messages on the H-Sig discussion group about my alleged talk on =
Hungarian Magnate records at the Washington conference. I think there =
is some misunderstanding here.=20
The title of my presentation at this conference was: The =
Austro-Hungarian Empire: Conventional and Unconventional Resources. The =
focus of the talk was, among other things, on Austro-Hungarian Military =
Records.=20
The year before, at the 2002 conference in Toronto, I gave a =
presentation with the title: Hungarian Jews: Where did they come from. =
The theme of this talk was a bit closer to Magnate records, but in fact =
I discussed then the various Jewish censuses that were conducted by the =
Hungarian administration during the 18th century. The material came >from =
official 18th century Hungarian governmental sources and not >from =
Magnate records. It was published in Magyar Zsido Leveltar, an 18 volume =
collection of documents and the FHL also has microfilmed originals of =
these censuses. Both talks were taped and I am quite sure the cassettes =
are available >from the Washington and Toronto societies.=20
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Magnate records #hungary

henry wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

I just came back >from a short trip to the "Big Apple" and found all =
these messages on the H-Sig discussion group about my alleged talk on =
Hungarian Magnate records at the Washington conference. I think there =
is some misunderstanding here.=20
The title of my presentation at this conference was: The =
Austro-Hungarian Empire: Conventional and Unconventional Resources. The =
focus of the talk was, among other things, on Austro-Hungarian Military =
Records.=20
The year before, at the 2002 conference in Toronto, I gave a =
presentation with the title: Hungarian Jews: Where did they come from. =
The theme of this talk was a bit closer to Magnate records, but in fact =
I discussed then the various Jewish censuses that were conducted by the =
Hungarian administration during the 18th century. The material came >from =
official 18th century Hungarian governmental sources and not >from =
Magnate records. It was published in Magyar Zsido Leveltar, an 18 volume =
collection of documents and the FHL also has microfilmed originals of =
these censuses. Both talks were taped and I am quite sure the cassettes =
are available >from the Washington and Toronto societies.=20
Henry Wellisch
Toronto