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Re: The Immortal Spirit: the Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium Poland, #poland

Bialystoker
 

Gary:

I do have a copy of this book, which I acquired on an auction
website. I have not yet read the book, but it does appear to have
many name references, although there is no index of names

Apparently the book is only available through the author or his
family -- see http://www.bialystokgymnasium.com/sale.htm -- but
does not mention a price.

Mark Halpern

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone have a copy of this book? Does it mention many
names?

What is the cost of the book?

The site about the book contains a link to a web site about
contemporary
Bialystok. http://www.city.bialystok.pl/eng/index.html The site
has a search
engine. I keyed in the words "Jew," "Jews," and "Jewish" and
got no hits.
<sigh>

Gay Mokotoff


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: The Immortal Spirit: the Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium Poland, #poland

Bialystoker
 

Gary:

I do have a copy of this book, which I acquired on an auction
website. I have not yet read the book, but it does appear to have
many name references, although there is no index of names

Apparently the book is only available through the author or his
family -- see http://www.bialystokgymnasium.com/sale.htm -- but
does not mention a price.

Mark Halpern

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone have a copy of this book? Does it mention many
names?

What is the cost of the book?

The site about the book contains a link to a web site about
contemporary
Bialystok. http://www.city.bialystok.pl/eng/index.html The site
has a search
engine. I keyed in the words "Jew," "Jews," and "Jewish" and
got no hits.
<sigh>

Gay Mokotoff


Sunshine #hungary

Michael Kelemen <m.kel@...>
 

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@rogers.com

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Sunshine #hungary

Michael Kelemen <m.kel@...>
 

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@rogers.com

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Re: Cont: Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

yehuda l frischman <rebyidel@...>
 

Dear Melody,

I am in the same spot as you. My GGF, Josef Schwartz, is buried on Har
Hazeitem (the mount of olives in JERUSALEM. He passed away sometime
between 1925 and 1950, and was active in Kolel Shomrei Hachomot. I
thought that it would be easy to locate him, posted the info on h-sig
about a year ago, and a number of gracious souls, tried to help me
locate him, but to no avail. So if anyone out there would like to try
again, I would be very grateful. He was born in MICHALOVCE, now
Slovakia, then Austria-Hungary, in 1862, immigrated to SCRANTON, Pa,
around 1885 and moved with his wife Lena to Jerusalem around 1920 to
spend his last years on holy soil.

Thanks and Chag sameach to all
Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

Researching: Frischman >from BEREGSZASZ, NYC.
Schwartz, Shmulevitz >from MICHALOVCE, SCRANTON
Silbert >from BESSARABIA, WINNIPEG
Shuffman >from BESSARABIA


From: Melody <nomietai@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Cont: Stropkov to Jerusalem
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:28:27 -0700 (PDT)

Here is a respopnse >from a member of the Israel Genealogical
Society:

If you know where your relatives are buried, you must try and go
back
to the
Chevra Kadesha (C.K.) original records. As most Ashkenazi Jews
belong
to a
Kolel the C.K. may have the name of the Kolel. Now there are
archives
of
Koleleem in the Jerusalem city archives. Also I think there was an
article
in Sharshert Hadorot about archives still held by the Koleleem. In
those
archives you may find the data. As far as I know no passenger
lists
exist.

Still fishing, Melody


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Fwd: Cont: Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

yehuda l frischman <rebyidel@...>
 

Dear Melody,

I am in the same spot as you. My GGF, Josef Schwartz, is buried on Har
Hazeitem (the mount of olives in JERUSALEM. He passed away sometime
between 1925 and 1950, and was active in Kolel Shomrei Hachomot. I
thought that it would be easy to locate him, posted the info on h-sig
about a year ago, and a number of gracious souls, tried to help me
locate him, but to no avail. So if anyone out there would like to try
again, I would be very grateful. He was born in MICHALOVCE, now
Slovakia, then Austria-Hungary, in 1862, immigrated to SCRANTON, Pa,
around 1885 and moved with his wife Lena to Jerusalem around 1920 to
spend his last years on holy soil.

Thanks and Chag sameach to all
Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

Researching: Frischman >from BEREGSZASZ, NYC.
Schwartz, Shmulevitz >from MICHALOVCE, SCRANTON
Silbert >from BESSARABIA, WINNIPEG
Shuffman >from BESSARABIA


From: Melody <nomietai@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Cont: Stropkov to Jerusalem
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:28:27 -0700 (PDT)

Here is a respopnse >from a member of the Israel Genealogical
Society:

If you know where your relatives are buried, you must try and go
back
to the
Chevra Kadesha (C.K.) original records. As most Ashkenazi Jews
belong
to a
Kolel the C.K. may have the name of the Kolel. Now there are
archives
of
Koleleem in the Jerusalem city archives. Also I think there was an
article
in Sharshert Hadorot about archives still held by the Koleleem. In
those
archives you may find the data. As far as I know no passenger
lists
exist.

Still fishing, Melody


Searching for Rosenbaum from Zywiec (Seybusch) #hungary

Eli Rohn <elirohn@...>
 

Greetings,
I am searching for: Rosenbaum >from Zywiec (Seybusch in German), a small
place in Galicia.
Please reply with specifics, and please do not change to subject line.
Thanks
Eli Rohn
elirohn@yahoo.com

Moderator VK: Zywiec is in Poland about 6.7 miles >from Bielsko Biala. This region was never part of Hungary and is not within the areas that Hungarian SIG covers. Check w. Gesher Galicia.


Re: From Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

I, too, am bothered by these questions and cannot make any headway.
However, I did manage to find, with the help of the Jerusalem Hevra Kadisha
(Prushim), the grave of my eighty-ish GGM who died in 1916 and is buried on
Har HaZeitim. Unfortunately, the stone marker is so eroded that it is
virtually illegible.
The Batei Ungarn, Eida HaHaredit, Colel Shomrei HaHomot or any other
institutions could not provide me with any more information about her from
the time of her arrival in Jerusalem in 1907 >from Stropkov ) until her
death.
I'm still trying.
Hag Same'ah,
Avraham
============================================================================
======

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody" <nomietai@yahoo.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: 03 October 2003 5:53 PM
Subject: [h-sig] >from Stropkov to Jerusalem


Their journey has pre-occupied me for the last ten years.
What route did they take?
Where did they live?
Where did they study?
Can anyone, Alex, Avrvham?--offer anything?
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for Rosenbaum from Zywiec (Seybusch) #hungary

Eli Rohn <elirohn@...>
 

Greetings,
I am searching for: Rosenbaum >from Zywiec (Seybusch in German), a small
place in Galicia.
Please reply with specifics, and please do not change to subject line.
Thanks
Eli Rohn
elirohn@yahoo.com

Moderator VK: Zywiec is in Poland about 6.7 miles >from Bielsko Biala. This region was never part of Hungary and is not within the areas that Hungarian SIG covers. Check w. Gesher Galicia.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: From Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

I, too, am bothered by these questions and cannot make any headway.
However, I did manage to find, with the help of the Jerusalem Hevra Kadisha
(Prushim), the grave of my eighty-ish GGM who died in 1916 and is buried on
Har HaZeitim. Unfortunately, the stone marker is so eroded that it is
virtually illegible.
The Batei Ungarn, Eida HaHaredit, Colel Shomrei HaHomot or any other
institutions could not provide me with any more information about her from
the time of her arrival in Jerusalem in 1907 >from Stropkov ) until her
death.
I'm still trying.
Hag Same'ah,
Avraham
============================================================================
======

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody" <nomietai@yahoo.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: 03 October 2003 5:53 PM
Subject: [h-sig] >from Stropkov to Jerusalem


Their journey has pre-occupied me for the last ten years.
What route did they take?
Where did they live?
Where did they study?
Can anyone, Alex, Avrvham?--offer anything?
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel


Nagykanizsa old cemetery #hungary

Omri Arnon <Omri@...>
 

In the 1907 Jewish encyclopedia I read the following about Nagykanizsa:

"Hungarian town, in the county of Szalad. The antiquity of its disused
cemetery, which dates back to the end of the seventeenth century, is the
only index to the period of the first settlement of the Jews in
Nagy-Kanizsa. This cemetery was closed in 1784, when the one now in use was
opened."...
( http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=21&letter=N )

Does anyone know of this old cemetary, where its located and if it has
available records?

By the way this is an excellent reasource for the point of view of early
1900 about the Jewish world.

Omri Arnon
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Nagykanizsa old cemetery #hungary

Omri Arnon <Omri@...>
 

In the 1907 Jewish encyclopedia I read the following about Nagykanizsa:

"Hungarian town, in the county of Szalad. The antiquity of its disused
cemetery, which dates back to the end of the seventeenth century, is the
only index to the period of the first settlement of the Jews in
Nagy-Kanizsa. This cemetery was closed in 1784, when the one now in use was
opened."...
( http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=21&letter=N )

Does anyone know of this old cemetary, where its located and if it has
available records?

By the way this is an excellent reasource for the point of view of early
1900 about the Jewish world.

Omri Arnon
Israel


Searching for: Jachzel or Jachcel, or Jachzeel #hungary

Eli Rohn <elirohn@...>
 

Greetings,
I am searching for ANY Jachzel or Jachcel or Jachzeel, or ANY similar
variation.

My Great Grand Mother Rosi Jachzel, was born January 06, 1849 in Rychwald,
(in the Austro-Hungarian Empire), died March 27, 1913, Ostrava,
Czechoslovakia.

Jachzel is a very rare name, so any information is likely to have a
connection to what I have gathered thus far.
Please do not change the subject line.

Thanks
Eli Rohn
elirohn@yahoo.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for: Jachzel or Jachcel, or Jachzeel #hungary

Eli Rohn <elirohn@...>
 

Greetings,
I am searching for ANY Jachzel or Jachcel or Jachzeel, or ANY similar
variation.

My Great Grand Mother Rosi Jachzel, was born January 06, 1849 in Rychwald,
(in the Austro-Hungarian Empire), died March 27, 1913, Ostrava,
Czechoslovakia.

Jachzel is a very rare name, so any information is likely to have a
connection to what I have gathered thus far.
Please do not change the subject line.

Thanks
Eli Rohn
elirohn@yahoo.com


Re: Need Info on WEINER from Marmarossighet #hungary

Peter Winter <winterpeeter@...>
 

Hi Jerrz\y,

I am in Transylvania now. Maybe I could do thejob, if no other will anounce.
I also have some data about a Groedel >from Kolozsvar-Cluj, and not the one I
alrady sent you last year. But for that, I will have to be back in Budapest.

Best wishes, and (a bit late) Happy New Year for you, and your beloved.
Peter

From: "Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Need Info on WEINER >from Marmarossighet
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:29:47 -0400

My sister and I would like to know if anyone has information on the
following people >from Marmarossziget. They both were killed during WWII.

WEINER Salamon (b.1919) (mother) Weiner Záli
WEINER Sámuel (b. 1912.09.15) (mother) Weiner Záli

Thank you!
Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDI, ERNST
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazinc, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Need Info on WEINER from Marmarossighet #hungary

Peter Winter <winterpeeter@...>
 

Hi Jerrz\y,

I am in Transylvania now. Maybe I could do thejob, if no other will anounce.
I also have some data about a Groedel >from Kolozsvar-Cluj, and not the one I
alrady sent you last year. But for that, I will have to be back in Budapest.

Best wishes, and (a bit late) Happy New Year for you, and your beloved.
Peter

From: "Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Need Info on WEINER >from Marmarossighet
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:29:47 -0400

My sister and I would like to know if anyone has information on the
following people >from Marmarossziget. They both were killed during WWII.

WEINER Salamon (b.1919) (mother) Weiner Záli
WEINER Sámuel (b. 1912.09.15) (mother) Weiner Záli

Thank you!
Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDI, ERNST
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazinc, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet


Re: "A Szalasi Per" -- book on the Szalasi trial #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

The book 'Szalasi Per' , according to AMAZON is out of print with no copies
available. They show that it was published by 'Reform Lap es konyvkiado'.

Going to the Hungarian search-engine of ORIGO.HU (or - AltaVizsla) - I found
one copy at an auction in Hungary.

There is a copy containing the documents of the trial at the University
Library of Szeged, in Hungary.

Leslie Eloed
California


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: "A Szalasi Per" -- book on the Szalasi trial #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

The book 'Szalasi Per' , according to AMAZON is out of print with no copies
available. They show that it was published by 'Reform Lap es konyvkiado'.

Going to the Hungarian search-engine of ORIGO.HU (or - AltaVizsla) - I found
one copy at an auction in Hungary.

There is a copy containing the documents of the trial at the University
Library of Szeged, in Hungary.

Leslie Eloed
California


Re: Jews in Bohemia of Italian Origin - SALUS #germany

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

MODERATOR PREFACE: The following is an example of how we who created
GerSig and the GerSig Forum would like this discussion group to operate.

Some time ago, Michael Bernet, an active Forum contributor, posted an
essay on possible origins of Jewish communities in Germany, Austria and
northern France. Another GerSig member, Ruth Coman, had some questions
about points that Michael had made. She did not feel that her questions
and their answers would be of interest to most GerSig readers so she
set up an exchange with Michael by private email.

She is now posting a summary of her findings which may be of interest
to many of us.

I should point out that Bohemia is an area covered mostly by the BohMor
SIG, it does contain German speaking regions and is therefore not off-
topic to our Forum. MOD1

Following Michael Bernet's account to the GerSig group of how Judaism
was brought to Germany, Austria and Northern France by Italian Jews, I
wrote privately to him with questions about my mother's SALUS family.
Michael responded with some illuminating comments but also suggested
that I post this note to the Bohmor list, and to the full Gersig list -
which I now do.

In his "Geschichte der Familie SALUS", my grandfather Richard SALUS
traced the family back to the mid 17th century and described the "first"
Josef SALUS arriving in Roudnice in 1632 >from Italy as "Heilgehilfe im
Gefolge eines Grafen Lobkowic". Eugen Stein, a Czech genealogist has,
on my behalf, looked at records relating to Jews in the Roudnice Castle
Archive. Sadly he found no record of Josef nor of his son Isak and
grandchildren Josef and Moses about whom my grandfather wrote. Stein,
however, found evidence of two Jewish SALUS families living in the Jews
quarter of Roudnice, in 1675 (though none before that date) and several
SALUS families by the early eighteenth century. SALUS is a relatively
uncommon name in Bohemia and as I assemble more and more data about
SALUS families in Bohemia I am coming to the opinion that the SALUS
families living there at the begining of the 20th century were all
related and were probably descendants of the Roudnice SALUSes.

My questions are as follows:

the consistent use of SALUS as a family name seems to be earlier than I
would have expected for a non rabinical, "village" family. Are there
other categories of Jews who used surnames by the middle of the
seventeenth century. Jews >from Northern Italy?

MB's response: "They had been common in Spain and in Italy"

could the name SALUS have been adopted in Bohemia as a result of the
"health" connection?

MB response: "Could be, or the name of their town of origin or residence
(the most common source of Italian Jewish surnames). Sal=FC had been a
common German form of greeting; it may therefore have been also a
redering of Shalom (as was Benveniste, who also came >from Spain to Italy
and hence to Austria (where they became the Levitical Epstein family)."

have you any suggestions about where I might most productively search
for pre Roudnice SALUSes?

MB had no suggestions.

MB additonally commented that though it was likely that all the SALUSes
were members of the same family it was possible, if they took their
name >from an Italian village they could be unrelated fellow villagers
who followed the first Salus to Bohemia.

I would greatly welcome any further comments or suggestions

Ruth Coman London, England ruth.coman@virgin.net


German SIG #Germany Re: Jews in Bohemia of Italian Origin - SALUS #germany

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

MODERATOR PREFACE: The following is an example of how we who created
GerSig and the GerSig Forum would like this discussion group to operate.

Some time ago, Michael Bernet, an active Forum contributor, posted an
essay on possible origins of Jewish communities in Germany, Austria and
northern France. Another GerSig member, Ruth Coman, had some questions
about points that Michael had made. She did not feel that her questions
and their answers would be of interest to most GerSig readers so she
set up an exchange with Michael by private email.

She is now posting a summary of her findings which may be of interest
to many of us.

I should point out that Bohemia is an area covered mostly by the BohMor
SIG, it does contain German speaking regions and is therefore not off-
topic to our Forum. MOD1

Following Michael Bernet's account to the GerSig group of how Judaism
was brought to Germany, Austria and Northern France by Italian Jews, I
wrote privately to him with questions about my mother's SALUS family.
Michael responded with some illuminating comments but also suggested
that I post this note to the Bohmor list, and to the full Gersig list -
which I now do.

In his "Geschichte der Familie SALUS", my grandfather Richard SALUS
traced the family back to the mid 17th century and described the "first"
Josef SALUS arriving in Roudnice in 1632 >from Italy as "Heilgehilfe im
Gefolge eines Grafen Lobkowic". Eugen Stein, a Czech genealogist has,
on my behalf, looked at records relating to Jews in the Roudnice Castle
Archive. Sadly he found no record of Josef nor of his son Isak and
grandchildren Josef and Moses about whom my grandfather wrote. Stein,
however, found evidence of two Jewish SALUS families living in the Jews
quarter of Roudnice, in 1675 (though none before that date) and several
SALUS families by the early eighteenth century. SALUS is a relatively
uncommon name in Bohemia and as I assemble more and more data about
SALUS families in Bohemia I am coming to the opinion that the SALUS
families living there at the begining of the 20th century were all
related and were probably descendants of the Roudnice SALUSes.

My questions are as follows:

the consistent use of SALUS as a family name seems to be earlier than I
would have expected for a non rabinical, "village" family. Are there
other categories of Jews who used surnames by the middle of the
seventeenth century. Jews >from Northern Italy?

MB's response: "They had been common in Spain and in Italy"

could the name SALUS have been adopted in Bohemia as a result of the
"health" connection?

MB response: "Could be, or the name of their town of origin or residence
(the most common source of Italian Jewish surnames). Sal=FC had been a
common German form of greeting; it may therefore have been also a
redering of Shalom (as was Benveniste, who also came >from Spain to Italy
and hence to Austria (where they became the Levitical Epstein family)."

have you any suggestions about where I might most productively search
for pre Roudnice SALUSes?

MB had no suggestions.

MB additonally commented that though it was likely that all the SALUSes
were members of the same family it was possible, if they took their
name >from an Italian village they could be unrelated fellow villagers
who followed the first Salus to Bohemia.

I would greatly welcome any further comments or suggestions

Ruth Coman London, England ruth.coman@virgin.net