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Re: Did Jewish immigrants evade the US Census? #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

There are several reasons why people aren't in the
census occasionally or repeatedly:

1. Family trauma (illness, death, arrest, etc.).
2. Moving, having a baby, or getting married.
3. Anarchist.
4. Enumerators missed the building (it happens!).
5. Everybody works, so nobody home to interview.
6. People too poor to have time or energy.
7. Opportunity cost of time (too busy getting rich).
8. Youngest children sometimes omitted (why?).

People are often in the census but not in Soundex:

1. Interviewer misheard name (e.g. thick accent).
2. Indexer misread handwriting.

You should find subject's address >from a directory.
Then go to building in census and see if there was
a report. And if you're doing NYC, you can check on
the 1905, 1915, & 1925 census records.

My grandfather, Henry Morgan (nee Heinrich Morgenstern) is
suspiciously missing >from the available US Census data. (He came in 1905
from Lodz, Poland to evade Russian conscription.) He is not in the 1910,
20, or 30 US Census.

Several other of my ancestors are also missing >from census data.
(Or, I haven't found them.)

Is it possible that Jewish immigrants to America actively avoided
registering? My theory is that they came >from a world where the Jews
were rounded-up. Registration would have been the first step.

Hank Margolis

Searching:
MORGAN, MORGENSTERN >from Lodz, Poland
MARGOLIS, MARGULIS
KRACHMAN, KRACHMANN >from Kolomea, Galicia
SILVERMAN, Morris in New York City >from about 1870 - 1930


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Did Jewish immigrants evade the US Census? #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

There are several reasons why people aren't in the
census occasionally or repeatedly:

1. Family trauma (illness, death, arrest, etc.).
2. Moving, having a baby, or getting married.
3. Anarchist.
4. Enumerators missed the building (it happens!).
5. Everybody works, so nobody home to interview.
6. People too poor to have time or energy.
7. Opportunity cost of time (too busy getting rich).
8. Youngest children sometimes omitted (why?).

People are often in the census but not in Soundex:

1. Interviewer misheard name (e.g. thick accent).
2. Indexer misread handwriting.

You should find subject's address >from a directory.
Then go to building in census and see if there was
a report. And if you're doing NYC, you can check on
the 1905, 1915, & 1925 census records.

My grandfather, Henry Morgan (nee Heinrich Morgenstern) is
suspiciously missing >from the available US Census data. (He came in 1905
from Lodz, Poland to evade Russian conscription.) He is not in the 1910,
20, or 30 US Census.

Several other of my ancestors are also missing >from census data.
(Or, I haven't found them.)

Is it possible that Jewish immigrants to America actively avoided
registering? My theory is that they came >from a world where the Jews
were rounded-up. Registration would have been the first step.

Hank Margolis

Searching:
MORGAN, MORGENSTERN >from Lodz, Poland
MARGOLIS, MARGULIS
KRACHMAN, KRACHMANN >from Kolomea, Galicia
SILVERMAN, Morris in New York City >from about 1870 - 1930


Searching: W M SCHNEIDER in New York 1920 #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I have traced in the Ellis Island database the immigration to America of my
father's older brother. He sailed >from Southampton to New York in December
1920, and stated that he was going to join his cousin W M SCHNEIDER at 34
Warren Street, New York.
I have never heard of this person as being connected with our family, and
wondered if any kind JewishGenner might know of him.
Many thanks, and please reply privately to
Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England
Researching: NIEWOLSKI or NEVOLSKY or any variants, >from Sompolno, Kolo,
Lowicz, Sochaczew, Poland, or anywhere;
ROZENDORN or ROSENDORN >from Lowicz, Poland; NEVILLE >from anywhere in
England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: W M SCHNEIDER in New York 1920 #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I have traced in the Ellis Island database the immigration to America of my
father's older brother. He sailed >from Southampton to New York in December
1920, and stated that he was going to join his cousin W M SCHNEIDER at 34
Warren Street, New York.
I have never heard of this person as being connected with our family, and
wondered if any kind JewishGenner might know of him.
Many thanks, and please reply privately to
Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England
Researching: NIEWOLSKI or NEVOLSKY or any variants, >from Sompolno, Kolo,
Lowicz, Sochaczew, Poland, or anywhere;
ROZENDORN or ROSENDORN >from Lowicz, Poland; NEVILLE >from anywhere in
England


some LDS films available in Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear fellow genners,

I have always been envious of those in the states that could order the LDS
microfische. Two weeks ago I tried the website for the Diaspora Museum,
which has a partial collection of LDS microfische. And yesterday I received
the *copies* of the specific Akt by registered mail! Now you can be
envious of us. We can get some of them by mail!
The way to do is,
1. Find the microfische you need in the JewishGen Database. Write down the
number of microfische and the Akt., name and year. Check the form first for
the information you need.
2. Go to the Diaspora Museum website and check if they have the microfische
you are interested in. You have to look under the name of the town.
http://www.bh.org.il/ I am listing the general site, cause their server
seems to be down at the moment. Look under genealogy.
3. If they have it, there is an outline order form and you can pay by
credit card.

If you want to go through the whole microfische by yourself, other
arrangements can be made.

Shalom and Next Year in Jerusalem!
The 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 11-16, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004


Rose Feldman
rosef@post.tau.ac.il
EPSTEIN, BOYARSKY Mscibow & Ruzhany
GITNER, REZNIK, LUKIN Litin & Kalinovka
TREPMAN, FELDMAN Warsaw


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen some LDS films available in Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear fellow genners,

I have always been envious of those in the states that could order the LDS
microfische. Two weeks ago I tried the website for the Diaspora Museum,
which has a partial collection of LDS microfische. And yesterday I received
the *copies* of the specific Akt by registered mail! Now you can be
envious of us. We can get some of them by mail!
The way to do is,
1. Find the microfische you need in the JewishGen Database. Write down the
number of microfische and the Akt., name and year. Check the form first for
the information you need.
2. Go to the Diaspora Museum website and check if they have the microfische
you are interested in. You have to look under the name of the town.
http://www.bh.org.il/ I am listing the general site, cause their server
seems to be down at the moment. Look under genealogy.
3. If they have it, there is an outline order form and you can pay by
credit card.

If you want to go through the whole microfische by yourself, other
arrangements can be made.

Shalom and Next Year in Jerusalem!
The 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 11-16, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004


Rose Feldman
rosef@post.tau.ac.il
EPSTEIN, BOYARSKY Mscibow & Ruzhany
GITNER, REZNIK, LUKIN Litin & Kalinovka
TREPMAN, FELDMAN Warsaw


Re: How did the Nazis know who was Jewish? #general

Nathan Reiss <nreiss@...>
 

Just one addition to the responses on this subject:...

Germany actually had an agency whose function it was to dig up
and process the information about who was Jewish, the
"Reichsippenamt", [Federal Ancestry Administration]. One of the
activities carried out under this administration's direction was
the collection of copies of Jewish vital records >from the local
communities. This was the before the days of photocopiers, and
local officials were required to manually transcribe these
records and submit them. In some cases, these transcribed
listings constitute the only surviving copies of communities'
Jewish records.

Nathan Reiss
Highland Park, NJ
nreiss@aesop.rutgers.edu

Subject: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish
From: "lili susser" <susserl@comcast.net>

...... [How did the Nazis know which people were Jewish? Were Jews
already registered?]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How did the Nazis know who was Jewish? #general

Nathan Reiss <nreiss@...>
 

Just one addition to the responses on this subject:...

Germany actually had an agency whose function it was to dig up
and process the information about who was Jewish, the
"Reichsippenamt", [Federal Ancestry Administration]. One of the
activities carried out under this administration's direction was
the collection of copies of Jewish vital records >from the local
communities. This was the before the days of photocopiers, and
local officials were required to manually transcribe these
records and submit them. In some cases, these transcribed
listings constitute the only surviving copies of communities'
Jewish records.

Nathan Reiss
Highland Park, NJ
nreiss@aesop.rutgers.edu

Subject: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish
From: "lili susser" <susserl@comcast.net>

...... [How did the Nazis know which people were Jewish? Were Jews
already registered?]


Re: Searching AZERSKY/PINTEL from Lithuania #france

Finkel**** <finkeland@...>
 

Anyone know anything about Clara, Robert, Julius, Hymie and Cohntoo who
were all children of Yaacov and Goldie AZERSKY of Meretz Lithuania? They
came to Paris >from Lithuania around 1915 and stayed with a cousin name
Sam PINTEL.
They worked in garment factories. They stayed about 7 years and then came
to NY. They were also somehow related to Chaim and Goidie LANDSBERG in
Tel Aviv. They also had cousins in New York with the last name ROMANOFF
as Goldie AZERSKY'S maiden name was ROMANOFF.

Thanks for your help -

Karen in NY
design@finkeland.com

MODERATOR: Please capitalize LAST NAME only


French SIG #France Re: Searching AZERSKY/PINTEL from Lithuania #france

Finkel**** <finkeland@...>
 

Anyone know anything about Clara, Robert, Julius, Hymie and Cohntoo who
were all children of Yaacov and Goldie AZERSKY of Meretz Lithuania? They
came to Paris >from Lithuania around 1915 and stayed with a cousin name
Sam PINTEL.
They worked in garment factories. They stayed about 7 years and then came
to NY. They were also somehow related to Chaim and Goidie LANDSBERG in
Tel Aviv. They also had cousins in New York with the last name ROMANOFF
as Goldie AZERSKY'S maiden name was ROMANOFF.

Thanks for your help -

Karen in NY
design@finkeland.com

MODERATOR: Please capitalize LAST NAME only


Searching MENDELSON - Switzerland/New Orleans/St. Louis/Chicago #france

SANDI ROOT
 

I search Benjamin MENDELSON >from Switzerland. Unfortunately, no
town name or region ever appear in any of the documents I hold
on my great-grandfather. My hope is that descendants of the
MENDELSON family still live in Switzerland, or I can connect with
others searching that name in that region of Europe. The family
data follows:
Benjamin MENDELSON, b.1844, Switzerland, cigar maker.
Lena (SUWALKER/SUWALSKI/*MENDELSON)- his wife - b. ca. 1846,
Sweden or Suwalki, Poland.
Migrated to U.S. 1855-1861. Lived in New Orleans, LA,
St. Louis, MO, and permanently settled in Chicago, IL.
Had 8 daughters, all born in the U.S.

* Lena's family evidently changed their name from
SUWALKER/SUWALSKI to MENDELSON, probably upon arrival to or
after living in the U.S. I am assuming it is pure coincidence
she ended up marrying someone also named MENDELSON, and I do
not believe they were cousins.

Thank you for this helpful search opportunity.

Sandi Root
Bulverde (San Antonio), Texas
roadrunr2@usa.net


French SIG #France Searching MENDELSON - Switzerland/New Orleans/St. Louis/Chicago #france

SANDI ROOT
 

I search Benjamin MENDELSON >from Switzerland. Unfortunately, no
town name or region ever appear in any of the documents I hold
on my great-grandfather. My hope is that descendants of the
MENDELSON family still live in Switzerland, or I can connect with
others searching that name in that region of Europe. The family
data follows:
Benjamin MENDELSON, b.1844, Switzerland, cigar maker.
Lena (SUWALKER/SUWALSKI/*MENDELSON)- his wife - b. ca. 1846,
Sweden or Suwalki, Poland.
Migrated to U.S. 1855-1861. Lived in New Orleans, LA,
St. Louis, MO, and permanently settled in Chicago, IL.
Had 8 daughters, all born in the U.S.

* Lena's family evidently changed their name from
SUWALKER/SUWALSKI to MENDELSON, probably upon arrival to or
after living in the U.S. I am assuming it is pure coincidence
she ended up marrying someone also named MENDELSON, and I do
not believe they were cousins.

Thank you for this helpful search opportunity.

Sandi Root
Bulverde (San Antonio), Texas
roadrunr2@usa.net


Does Anyone Have Boston, Mass., Girls Latin School, Class Of 1910 Yearbook? #general

richard may
 

Dear community,

Does any kind person have or have access to yearbooks
or classbooks for Girls Latin School,the class of
1910,in the Boston Public Schools,Boston,Massachusetts?

My grandfather's sister,Elinor B. MAY,class of
1910,graduated >from Girls Latin School in Boston,Mass.
I am attempting to obtain a copy of her yearbook
photograph.

Please respond privately to: < ferdlilac@yahoo.com >

Thank you very much for your help!

Richard May < ferdlilac@yahoo.com >
Buffalo,New York,
U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Does Anyone Have Boston, Mass., Girls Latin School, Class Of 1910 Yearbook? #general

richard may
 

Dear community,

Does any kind person have or have access to yearbooks
or classbooks for Girls Latin School,the class of
1910,in the Boston Public Schools,Boston,Massachusetts?

My grandfather's sister,Elinor B. MAY,class of
1910,graduated >from Girls Latin School in Boston,Mass.
I am attempting to obtain a copy of her yearbook
photograph.

Please respond privately to: < ferdlilac@yahoo.com >

Thank you very much for your help!

Richard May < ferdlilac@yahoo.com >
Buffalo,New York,
U.S.A.


Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Simone Millsom <simone@...>
 

I always believed that the Nazi's researched family histories
And how did they do it? Personally am not blaming IBM
Claims were made and there was a lawsuit also against IBM.
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010216/1aibm.shtml

Like many I am trying to understand how the Nazi's new who were the Jews,
as many families did not even know of a Jewish background until they were
arrested.
Half of my family were killed during the Holocaust for being Jews, All 4 of
my great grand parents and all of my great great parents among others in
the family.
So naturally I am interested in finding out how this all happened.

Sorry if I offended you in anyway.

Simone Millsom
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Simone Millsom <simone@...>
 

I always believed that the Nazi's researched family histories
And how did they do it? Personally am not blaming IBM
Claims were made and there was a lawsuit also against IBM.
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010216/1aibm.shtml

Like many I am trying to understand how the Nazi's new who were the Jews,
as many families did not even know of a Jewish background until they were
arrested.
Half of my family were killed during the Holocaust for being Jews, All 4 of
my great grand parents and all of my great great parents among others in
the family.
So naturally I am interested in finding out how this all happened.

Sorry if I offended you in anyway.

Simone Millsom
Australia


Genealogy for kids #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Every year I do an "It's All Relative" column on genealogy and kids. This
year, it will be in early October.
I'm working on a column devoted to genealogy for kids, centered on ideas to
make this more fun, including books and publications.

If you teach or have taught genealogy to young people (through high school)
in your community, or your own kids have had interesting projects, or you
present your own research to others in an unusual way, please let me know.
The timing is also relevant because students in Israel begin family history
projects in the fall.

Please reply privately, and make sure you send your full name and location
as well as the setting for your experiences (regular school, a Jewish day
school, an afternoon Hebrew school, youth group, etc.). I would like to be
able to acknowledge Genners in different geographical locations around the
world.

With best wishes to all,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy for kids #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Every year I do an "It's All Relative" column on genealogy and kids. This
year, it will be in early October.
I'm working on a column devoted to genealogy for kids, centered on ideas to
make this more fun, including books and publications.

If you teach or have taught genealogy to young people (through high school)
in your community, or your own kids have had interesting projects, or you
present your own research to others in an unusual way, please let me know.
The timing is also relevant because students in Israel begin family history
projects in the fall.

Please reply privately, and make sure you send your full name and location
as well as the setting for your experiences (regular school, a Jewish day
school, an afternoon Hebrew school, youth group, etc.). I would like to be
able to acknowledge Genners in different geographical locations around the
world.

With best wishes to all,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Re: How did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

Since no one has mentioned it yet, Jews identified themselves as Jews
to remain with their loved ones.

To net those Jews who had ran away, and those who tried to hide, the
Nazis set up a regime of terror. Rewards were offered for denouncing
Jews. Neighbor betrayed neighbor. In Poland, Jews who had grown
speaking Yiddish tended to speak Polish with a distinctive accent
that betrayed their origin as soon as they opened their mouths.
Strangers were automatically suspected of being Jews and denounced
to the gendarmes. When challenged, men had to drop their pants and
prove they were not Jews.

Non-Jews caught harboring or protecting a Jew were subject to severe
punishment, which varied throughout the occupied territories. In
Poland, the punishment was summary execution of all present family
members and destruction of their property by fire. Jews caught in
hiding were tortured to reveal whether there were other Jews with them,
who had protected them, who had provided them with any food, and who
knew they were there.

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Massachusetts


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

Since no one has mentioned it yet, Jews identified themselves as Jews
to remain with their loved ones.

To net those Jews who had ran away, and those who tried to hide, the
Nazis set up a regime of terror. Rewards were offered for denouncing
Jews. Neighbor betrayed neighbor. In Poland, Jews who had grown
speaking Yiddish tended to speak Polish with a distinctive accent
that betrayed their origin as soon as they opened their mouths.
Strangers were automatically suspected of being Jews and denounced
to the gendarmes. When challenged, men had to drop their pants and
prove they were not Jews.

Non-Jews caught harboring or protecting a Jew were subject to severe
punishment, which varied throughout the occupied territories. In
Poland, the punishment was summary execution of all present family
members and destruction of their property by fire. Jews caught in
hiding were tortured to reveal whether there were other Jews with them,
who had protected them, who had provided them with any food, and who
knew they were there.

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Massachusetts