Earlier today, Joel Ratner <joelrat1@hotmail.com> wrote:

See Sefer HaYichus L'Mishpachat Rivlin V'Mishpachat Ha"Gra
M'Vilna... published in 1935 in Jerusalem by Eliezer Rivlin.

The 1935 edition of "Sefer HaYachas L'Mishpachat Rivlin," published
by Eliezer Rivlin in Jerusalem, was followed by a second edition in
1940. Further details appear in the book by his son, Binyamin
Rivlin, "R. Moshe Rivkas, Be'er HaGola, and His Descendants," 1971.

I have entered much but not all of Sefer HaYachas into my family
data base and am interested in contact with all descendants of
Shlomo Zalman RIVLIN of Shklov , who according to Sefer HaYachas was
"the first to be called RIVLIN." He was a 6th great grandfather of
my wife.

Shabbat Shalom

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel

Earlier today, Joel Ratner <joelrat1@hotmail.com> wrote:

See Sefer HaYichus L'Mishpachat Rivlin V'Mishpachat Ha"Gra
M'Vilna... published in 1935 in Jerusalem by Eliezer Rivlin.

The 1935 edition of "Sefer HaYachas L'Mishpachat Rivlin," published
by Eliezer Rivlin in Jerusalem, was followed by a second edition in
1940. Further details appear in the book by his son, Binyamin
Rivlin, "R. Moshe Rivkas, Be'er HaGola, and His Descendants," 1971.

I have entered much but not all of Sefer HaYachas into my family
data base and am interested in contact with all descendants of
Shlomo Zalman RIVLIN of Shklov , who according to Sefer HaYachas was
"the first to be called RIVLIN." He was a 6th great grandfather of
my wife.

Shabbat Shalom

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel

On 2003.08.29, Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
wrote:

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor?

Hi, Logan,

I don't know about your relative, but if in your searches you run
across R. Yitzhak ALTENBERG, please write to me off list with your
findings. He was born in Lublin and migrated to Stary Sambor in the
1880s as a widower with a young son. He married a widow named
KUPFERBERG (married name), who also had children by her first
marriage.

Thanks.

Miriam Solon
mailto:msolon@ameritech.net

On 2003.08.29, Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
wrote:

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor?

Hi, Logan,

I don't know about your relative, but if in your searches you run
across R. Yitzhak ALTENBERG, please write to me off list with your
findings. He was born in Lublin and migrated to Stary Sambor in the
1880s as a widower with a young son. He married a widow named
KUPFERBERG (married name), who also had children by her first
marriage.

Thanks.

Miriam Solon
mailto:msolon@ameritech.net

I generally do not like to get involved in personalities, but you have
relayed a number of messages about Rudolf Kasztner which (in addition to
having no bearing on the original inquiry) do not represent the man I have
known. I was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and
repeatedly interviewed Rezso Rudolf (Israel) Kasztner as a prosecution
witness.

The man who initiated the negotioations with Eichmann was Joel Jeno
Brand, a knitgoods dealer. Eichmann had been charged with clearing
Budapest of all Jews. Eichmann sent Brand to Turkey in May 1944, to
negotiate an exchange of Hungarian Jews for trucks with representatives
of the Jewish Agency. He was asked to proceed to Palestine in order to
continue negotiations. He was arrested in Aleppo, Syria by the British
who suspected him of being a Nazi agent. He was released in Jerusalem in
October 1944, and remained in Israel.

Kasztner then added Brand's mission to his other negotiations involving
the rescue of Slovakian Jews. He negotiated with Eichmann and SS
Obersturmbannfueher (Lieutenant Colonel, later promoted to Colonel) Kurt
Becher, then Chief of the Economic Staff of the SS in Budapest, and
Himmler's representative. They reached an agreement called Blut fuer Ware
(Blood for Goods), whereby Hungarian Jews would be released in return for
trucks and other supplies. Kasztner made several trips to Switzerland to
negotiate for financing with members of the American Jewish Joint
Distribution Committee (represented by Sally Meyer, a retired Swiss lace
manufacturer), the Jewish Agency, and the War Refugee Board. The
American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee purchased and delivered the
trucks to Switzerland, where they were turned over to German authorities
in return for the Jews. The ultimate deal reached by Kasztner resulted
in the release of 1,658 Hungarian Jews on June 30, 1944. The first group
of 318 Jews was released on August 18, 1944. They were transported to
Switzerland for a fixed price of $1,000 per head, paid by the Jewish
Agency. A second group of 1,368 Jews, mostly >from Hungary and
Transylvania, were at first detained at the Bergen-Belsen concentration
camp as virtual hostages, pending negotiations. They were allowed to
proceed to Switzerland on December 6, 1944. That group apparently included
members of Kasztner's family.

After successful completion of these exchanges, a number of complaints
denounced Kasztner because some members of his own family were included
in one of the first exchanges. According to Kasztner, the ensuing
bickering caused the collapse of the entire project, resulting in
ultimate deportation to Poland, and probably the death of, many of the
remaining Jews. However, Kasztner's continued negotiations with Becher led
to moving an additional 17,000 Hungarian Jews to Vienna. Kasztner was
permitted to travel between Hungary, Germany, and Switzerland. He never
considered remaining in Switzerland for his own safety during his five
journeys there. Some of these journeys were made after the release of
members of his family in December 1944. He continued to negotiate with
the Germans to ensure the survival of the Jews in the Budapest ghetto.
It is believed by Holocaust historians that he influenced Himmler's
decision some time before the end of the war, to stop the mass
exterminations in Auschwitz and other concentration camps.

As for the original inquiry by Elizabeth Bex of Brighton, England: if
there are any lists of names of the 1,658 Hungarian Jews available,
they should be in the possession of the Jewish Agencies named above.
Victor Singer, New York

I generally do not like to get involved in personalities, but you have
relayed a number of messages about Rudolf Kasztner which (in addition to
having no bearing on the original inquiry) do not represent the man I have
known. I was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and
repeatedly interviewed Rezso Rudolf (Israel) Kasztner as a prosecution
witness.

The man who initiated the negotioations with Eichmann was Joel Jeno
Brand, a knitgoods dealer. Eichmann had been charged with clearing
Budapest of all Jews. Eichmann sent Brand to Turkey in May 1944, to
negotiate an exchange of Hungarian Jews for trucks with representatives
of the Jewish Agency. He was asked to proceed to Palestine in order to
continue negotiations. He was arrested in Aleppo, Syria by the British
who suspected him of being a Nazi agent. He was released in Jerusalem in
October 1944, and remained in Israel.

Kasztner then added Brand's mission to his other negotiations involving
the rescue of Slovakian Jews. He negotiated with Eichmann and SS
Obersturmbannfueher (Lieutenant Colonel, later promoted to Colonel) Kurt
Becher, then Chief of the Economic Staff of the SS in Budapest, and
Himmler's representative. They reached an agreement called Blut fuer Ware
(Blood for Goods), whereby Hungarian Jews would be released in return for
trucks and other supplies. Kasztner made several trips to Switzerland to
negotiate for financing with members of the American Jewish Joint
Distribution Committee (represented by Sally Meyer, a retired Swiss lace
manufacturer), the Jewish Agency, and the War Refugee Board. The
American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee purchased and delivered the
trucks to Switzerland, where they were turned over to German authorities
in return for the Jews. The ultimate deal reached by Kasztner resulted
in the release of 1,658 Hungarian Jews on June 30, 1944. The first group
of 318 Jews was released on August 18, 1944. They were transported to
Switzerland for a fixed price of $1,000 per head, paid by the Jewish
Agency. A second group of 1,368 Jews, mostly >from Hungary and
Transylvania, were at first detained at the Bergen-Belsen concentration
camp as virtual hostages, pending negotiations. They were allowed to
proceed to Switzerland on December 6, 1944. That group apparently included
members of Kasztner's family.

After successful completion of these exchanges, a number of complaints
denounced Kasztner because some members of his own family were included
in one of the first exchanges. According to Kasztner, the ensuing
bickering caused the collapse of the entire project, resulting in
ultimate deportation to Poland, and probably the death of, many of the
remaining Jews. However, Kasztner's continued negotiations with Becher led
to moving an additional 17,000 Hungarian Jews to Vienna. Kasztner was
permitted to travel between Hungary, Germany, and Switzerland. He never
considered remaining in Switzerland for his own safety during his five
journeys there. Some of these journeys were made after the release of
members of his family in December 1944. He continued to negotiate with
the Germans to ensure the survival of the Jews in the Budapest ghetto.
It is believed by Holocaust historians that he influenced Himmler's
decision some time before the end of the war, to stop the mass
exterminations in Auschwitz and other concentration camps.

As for the original inquiry by Elizabeth Bex of Brighton, England: if
there are any lists of names of the 1,658 Hungarian Jews available,
they should be in the possession of the Jewish Agencies named above.
Victor Singer, New York

Dear Ms. Krauss,
Your messsage is of a private nature. Please send it directly to Allen at:
Aejordan@aol.com.
The message below will not be posted to the group.

Moderator on duty



Dear Allen,
I will help if I can access the needed records for you. But I need to
know where the lady lived and died and where her family lived.
I live in Portage, MI (Kalamazoo County), which is in SW Michigan,
halfway between Detroit, MI, and Chicago, IL, along I-94.
Barbara Krauss

Dear Ms. Krauss,
Your messsage is of a private nature. Please send it directly to Allen at:
Aejordan@aol.com.
The message below will not be posted to the group.

Moderator on duty



Dear Allen,
I will help if I can access the needed records for you. But I need to
know where the lady lived and died and where her family lived.
I live in Portage, MI (Kalamazoo County), which is in SW Michigan,
halfway between Detroit, MI, and Chicago, IL, along I-94.
Barbara Krauss

My grandfather, Henry Morgan (nee Heinrich Morgenstern) is suspiciously
missing >from the available US Census data. (He came in 1905 >from Lodz,
Poland to evade Russian conscription.) He is not in the 1910, 20, or 30
US Census.

Several other of my ancestors are also missing >from census data. (Or, I
haven't found them.)

Is it possible that Jewish immigrants to America actively avoided
registering? My theory is that they came >from a world where the Jews
were rounded-up. Registration would have been the first step.

Hank Margolis

Searching:
MORGAN, MORGENSTERN >from Lodz, Poland
MARGOLIS, MARGULIS
KRACHMAN, KRACHMANN >from Kolomea, Galicia
SILVERMAN, Morris in New York City >from about 1870 - 1930

My grandfather, Henry Morgan (nee Heinrich Morgenstern) is suspiciously
missing >from the available US Census data. (He came in 1905 >from Lodz,
Poland to evade Russian conscription.) He is not in the 1910, 20, or 30
US Census.

Several other of my ancestors are also missing >from census data. (Or, I
haven't found them.)

Is it possible that Jewish immigrants to America actively avoided
registering? My theory is that they came >from a world where the Jews
were rounded-up. Registration would have been the first step.

Hank Margolis

Searching:
MORGAN, MORGENSTERN >from Lodz, Poland
MARGOLIS, MARGULIS
KRACHMAN, KRACHMANN >from Kolomea, Galicia
SILVERMAN, Morris in New York City >from about 1870 - 1930

In a message dated 8/29/2003 5:28:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
golanron@netvision.net.il writes:

<< In the research that I did on the missing identity of Hildegard
DONDORF, I found out, that although most of the vital records about the
family indicated the religion as "Kath."(olisch), a *swastika* was added
near the names.

This may have indicated the fact, that the family was in fact Jewish, and
the swastika was added by the Nazis.

==I doubt it very much. For us, a swastika daubed on a tombstone or a
synagogue door is a sign of pure hatred--and rightly so, and so intended.
For the Nazis it was an emblem of pride. They might have put a Magen David
next to the name but, much more likely they would have crossed out
the "Kath." and daubed the entry with a large J or the word Jude.

==put it another way: would Jews feel they were insulting a Nazi by
drawing a Magen David next to his name?

The Swastika _may_ have indicated that the person is a party member. I
think however that what you see is not a swastika but a Maltese Cross.
These were used in a standard manner in public records, for Jews,
Christians and atheists, to indicate tht the entry refers to a person now
dead. You'll see them on records of birth and marriage, usually with the
death date and an indication of where and how the death information can be
accessed.

Michael Bernet, New York

In a message dated 8/29/2003 5:28:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
golanron@netvision.net.il writes:

<< In the research that I did on the missing identity of Hildegard
DONDORF, I found out, that although most of the vital records about the
family indicated the religion as "Kath."(olisch), a *swastika* was added
near the names.

This may have indicated the fact, that the family was in fact Jewish, and
the swastika was added by the Nazis.

==I doubt it very much. For us, a swastika daubed on a tombstone or a
synagogue door is a sign of pure hatred--and rightly so, and so intended.
For the Nazis it was an emblem of pride. They might have put a Magen David
next to the name but, much more likely they would have crossed out
the "Kath." and daubed the entry with a large J or the word Jude.

==put it another way: would Jews feel they were insulting a Nazi by
drawing a Magen David next to his name?

The Swastika _may_ have indicated that the person is a party member. I
think however that what you see is not a swastika but a Maltese Cross.
These were used in a standard manner in public records, for Jews,
Christians and atheists, to indicate tht the entry refers to a person now
dead. You'll see them on records of birth and marriage, usually with the
death date and an indication of where and how the death information can be
accessed.

Michael Bernet, New York

Hello Gersigers, Not long ago Yossi Goldschmit distributed in the
Gersig Forum the "Stammbaum der Samsonschen Familie" which
was published in Wolfenbuettel (near Braunschweig) in 1912
- including names of about 70 SAMSONs, of many GUMPELs who
are related and many more names of relatives.

The origin of my SAMSON family is >from Bernburg /Dessau not far

from Wolfenbuettel. I am convinced that some family connections

of the SAMSONs in both places must exist - the number of Jewish
families in the area was not so large.

Now I want to try to find those connections - therefore I looked for the
"youngest" SAMSONs published in the Stammbaum to try to locate
them and their descendants - they are:

1) Leopold SAMSON b.1.6.1908 and Herbert SAMSON b.2.2.1910.
Both are the children of Siegfried SAMSON b.1876 who married
Alice LANDAU >from Berlin in 1907.

2)Walter SAMSON b.27.1.1905 and Henry SAMSON b.10.8.1910.
Both children of Herbert SAMSON 1862-1911 and Margaret
BELLHOUSE (One of their ancestors was a salesman from
Manchester)

All those who know anything about those SAMSONs are kindly
requested to contact me - to try to find long lost family connections.
All the best wishes,

Eli SAMSON Herzliya Israel samsonf@zahav.net.il

Hello Gersigers, Not long ago Yossi Goldschmit distributed in the
Gersig Forum the "Stammbaum der Samsonschen Familie" which
was published in Wolfenbuettel (near Braunschweig) in 1912
- including names of about 70 SAMSONs, of many GUMPELs who
are related and many more names of relatives.

The origin of my SAMSON family is >from Bernburg /Dessau not far

from Wolfenbuettel. I am convinced that some family connections

of the SAMSONs in both places must exist - the number of Jewish
families in the area was not so large.

Now I want to try to find those connections - therefore I looked for the
"youngest" SAMSONs published in the Stammbaum to try to locate
them and their descendants - they are:

1) Leopold SAMSON b.1.6.1908 and Herbert SAMSON b.2.2.1910.
Both are the children of Siegfried SAMSON b.1876 who married
Alice LANDAU >from Berlin in 1907.

2)Walter SAMSON b.27.1.1905 and Henry SAMSON b.10.8.1910.
Both children of Herbert SAMSON 1862-1911 and Margaret
BELLHOUSE (One of their ancestors was a salesman from
Manchester)

All those who know anything about those SAMSONs are kindly
requested to contact me - to try to find long lost family connections.
All the best wishes,

Eli SAMSON Herzliya Israel samsonf@zahav.net.il

dear genners,

ViewMate has agreed to extend my posting vm2781 for another week.

I hope somebody will be able to decipher what is written
in Occidental Yiddish on the enveloppe painted in this
pseudo collage in praise of rabbi David DISPECK (1715 - 1793).
On the left side can be seen part of the Shir Hamaaloth sung
before the Birkat hamazon (Psalm 126)

This Mizrach is the work of Joel BAIERSDORF, one of rabbi
David 's grandsons. Does somebody exactly know who he was ?
The places of Diespeck and Baiersdorf are in Franconia, Bavaria.

The file is up on the ViewMate site :
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
in the "To View" section - as file vm2781 -

respond privately please to eliagil.roos@libertysurf.fr

shalom to all and good luck

Eliane Roos Schuhl, Paris

dear genners,

ViewMate has agreed to extend my posting vm2781 for another week.

I hope somebody will be able to decipher what is written
in Occidental Yiddish on the enveloppe painted in this
pseudo collage in praise of rabbi David DISPECK (1715 - 1793).
On the left side can be seen part of the Shir Hamaaloth sung
before the Birkat hamazon (Psalm 126)

This Mizrach is the work of Joel BAIERSDORF, one of rabbi
David 's grandsons. Does somebody exactly know who he was ?
The places of Diespeck and Baiersdorf are in Franconia, Bavaria.

The file is up on the ViewMate site :
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
in the "To View" section - as file vm2781 -

respond privately please to eliagil.roos@libertysurf.fr

shalom to all and good luck

Eliane Roos Schuhl, Paris

Dear genners,

ViewMate has agreed to extend my posting -- vm2781 -- for another
week.

I hope somebody will be able to decipher what is written in
Occidental Yiddish on the envelope painted in this pseudo collage in
praise of Rabbi David DISPECK (1715 - 1793). On the left side can
be seen part of the Shir Hamaaloth sung before the Birkat Hamazon
(Psalm 126).

This Mizrach is the work of Joel BAIERSDORF, one of Rabbi David's
grandsons. Does anyone know exactly who he was? The places of
Diespeck and Baiersdorf are in Franconia, Bavaria.

The file is up on the ViewMate site:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
in the "To View" section as file vm2781.

Respond privately please to eliagil.roos@libertysurf.fr

Shalom to all and good luck

Eliane Roos Schuhl
Paris

Dear genners,

ViewMate has agreed to extend my posting -- vm2781 -- for another
week.

I hope somebody will be able to decipher what is written in
Occidental Yiddish on the envelope painted in this pseudo collage in
praise of Rabbi David DISPECK (1715 - 1793). On the left side can
be seen part of the Shir Hamaaloth sung before the Birkat Hamazon
(Psalm 126).

This Mizrach is the work of Joel BAIERSDORF, one of Rabbi David's
grandsons. Does anyone know exactly who he was? The places of
Diespeck and Baiersdorf are in Franconia, Bavaria.

The file is up on the ViewMate site:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
in the "To View" section as file vm2781.

Respond privately please to eliagil.roos@libertysurf.fr

Shalom to all and good luck

Eliane Roos Schuhl
Paris

I am researching my ancestors in Poland and found a reference to a
Hassidic sect called Alexander. The time was in the late 1880s and
I thought perhaps this reference >from the Sokoly Yizkor Book would
give me more info. about my relatives. There is no detail given
beyond the name of the sect. Does anyone know who the Rav Alexander
was and >from which town? Poland was under Russian domination then
and maybe the reference points to Russia under the Czar Alexander?

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Kedumim
RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, OLSHA, NURZEC

I am researching my ancestors in Poland and found a reference to a
Hassidic sect called Alexander. The time was in the late 1880s and
I thought perhaps this reference >from the Sokoly Yizkor Book would
give me more info. about my relatives. There is no detail given
beyond the name of the sect. Does anyone know who the Rav Alexander
was and >from which town? Poland was under Russian domination then
and maybe the reference points to Russia under the Czar Alexander?

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Kedumim
RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, OLSHA, NURZEC