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Re: photos of Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Nicole BERLINE <nberline@...>
 

The book "Getto Warsawskie" which I mentionned contains
tons of information which would be precious to us whose parents died in the
ghetto.
But it is in polish , and so far it has not been translated : editors are
not interested ...
Would anyone know how to have it published in English ?
I am trying to find a publisher in French.

Nicole Berline, Paris

Much thanks to Stefan Mucha of the United Kingdom for
letting us access his photo collection of Warsaw and
teh ghetto. I am so grateful to those who are willing
to share this kind of information which is so helpful
and interesting to us all. I am wondering if there is
any possibility of putting photos like this into a
book format for purchase? I know I would be most
interested in owning a copy.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: photos of Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Nicole BERLINE <nberline@...>
 

The book "Getto Warsawskie" which I mentionned contains
tons of information which would be precious to us whose parents died in the
ghetto.
But it is in polish , and so far it has not been translated : editors are
not interested ...
Would anyone know how to have it published in English ?
I am trying to find a publisher in French.

Nicole Berline, Paris

Much thanks to Stefan Mucha of the United Kingdom for
letting us access his photo collection of Warsaw and
teh ghetto. I am so grateful to those who are willing
to share this kind of information which is so helpful
and interesting to us all. I am wondering if there is
any possibility of putting photos like this into a
book format for purchase? I know I would be most
interested in owning a copy.


Re: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos? #warsaw #poland

Giselle <Giselle-Thurm@...>
 

Hello Peter,

it is a misunderstanding

This website is not my own. I just found it and was as you were, very
impressed with the pictures and the maps.

I also cannot speak polish but I am sure that we can contact the
person of this website and ask him (or her) about his (or her) plans

Mr.Stefan Mucha could also try to contact this person and try to
change informations and/or pictures. Is that not a good idea ?

best regards

Giselle





Peter Lebensold schrieb am 08.10.2003:

I've just taken a quick look at Giselle's website - and am most
impressed.
True, it's all in Polish, but there seem to be literally hundreds of
photographs of pre-WWII (and earlier) Warsaw buildings ... and they
appear
to be searchable by street name (scroll down to "Ulice, place i
Wis=B3a" on
page

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/fundamenty/indeks.htm

then search by street) and by map location (go to

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php?r1=3Dplany/plan_ogolny.htm&r2=3Ds
trony/p
lan_ogolny_r.htm

, then click on the map to zoom in; it seems that buildings for
which the
site has photos are identified in colour).

Giselle: Are you planning to add more photographs as they are
identified?

Peter Lebensold
Toronto






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Giselle <Giselle-Thurm@...>
 

Hello Peter,

it is a misunderstanding

This website is not my own. I just found it and was as you were, very
impressed with the pictures and the maps.

I also cannot speak polish but I am sure that we can contact the
person of this website and ask him (or her) about his (or her) plans

Mr.Stefan Mucha could also try to contact this person and try to
change informations and/or pictures. Is that not a good idea ?

best regards

Giselle





Peter Lebensold schrieb am 08.10.2003:

I've just taken a quick look at Giselle's website - and am most
impressed.
True, it's all in Polish, but there seem to be literally hundreds of
photographs of pre-WWII (and earlier) Warsaw buildings ... and they
appear
to be searchable by street name (scroll down to "Ulice, place i
Wis=B3a" on
page

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/fundamenty/indeks.htm

then search by street) and by map location (go to

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php?r1=3Dplany/plan_ogolny.htm&r2=3Ds
trony/p
lan_ogolny_r.htm

, then click on the map to zoom in; it seems that buildings for
which the
site has photos are identified in colour).

Giselle: Are you planning to add more photographs as they are
identified?

Peter Lebensold
Toronto






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Hanna KASSLER - Stockholm #scandinavia

daphna brafman <daphnabrafman@...>
 

HI,

I recently found out that my father's aunt - Hanna KASSLER -
escaped >from Poland during the Holocaust/WW" period or shortly
after, and was in Stockholm.

Not long ago I received an old file under my fathers's name -
Chaim BRAFMAN - >from the Zionist Archive in Jerusalem.

I found out that during the 1940ies Hanna wrote him a letter.
This letter was never forwarded to him. We don't know if Hanna
is still living, but we would certainly welcome any information
on her or family. We don't know if she was married or had any
children.

Does the Jewish Community of Stockholm have an archive where I
could search or trace her?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Daphna Brafman
mailto:daphnabrafman@hotmail.com


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Hanna KASSLER - Stockholm #scandinavia

daphna brafman <daphnabrafman@...>
 

HI,

I recently found out that my father's aunt - Hanna KASSLER -
escaped >from Poland during the Holocaust/WW" period or shortly
after, and was in Stockholm.

Not long ago I received an old file under my fathers's name -
Chaim BRAFMAN - >from the Zionist Archive in Jerusalem.

I found out that during the 1940ies Hanna wrote him a letter.
This letter was never forwarded to him. We don't know if Hanna
is still living, but we would certainly welcome any information
on her or family. We don't know if she was married or had any
children.

Does the Jewish Community of Stockholm have an archive where I
could search or trace her?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Daphna Brafman
mailto:daphnabrafman@hotmail.com


Searching Gildenfenig and Friedenberg #poland

dmfjgs@...
 

Gildenfenig and Friedenberg surnames came >from Bialystok. Some
Gildenfenigs went to Argentina after WWI others came to USA.
Friedenbergs came to USA and are Kohains.

Are any of these surnames on your family tree?

Diane M. Freilich of Michigan

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BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Searching Gildenfenig and Friedenberg #poland

dmfjgs@...
 

Gildenfenig and Friedenberg surnames came >from Bialystok. Some
Gildenfenigs went to Argentina after WWI others came to USA.
Friedenbergs came to USA and are Kohains.

Are any of these surnames on your family tree?

Diane M. Freilich of Michigan

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Bialystok Hebrew Gimnasium #poland

Carlos Pinkus <cpinkus@...>
 

I'm interested in obtain informatium of the Bialystok Hebrew Gimnasium
like subjets that were taught, names of the pupils that were companion
of F. Trybiarz (a friend of my father) pictures of the building and any
other thing you can send me.

Thank you for your attention,

CARLOS PINKUS
BUENOS AIRES


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Bialystok Hebrew Gimnasium #poland

Carlos Pinkus <cpinkus@...>
 

I'm interested in obtain informatium of the Bialystok Hebrew Gimnasium
like subjets that were taught, names of the pupils that were companion
of F. Trybiarz (a friend of my father) pictures of the building and any
other thing you can send me.

Thank you for your attention,

CARLOS PINKUS
BUENOS AIRES


Re: warszawa digest: October 08, 2003 #warsaw #poland

Joseph Osman <josman@...>
 

I am also looking for pictures of Mila street. My Grand'father Anszel Osman
had a restaurant there: 52, Mila street. Thank you for your help.

Joseph Osman

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WARSZAWA Digest for Wednesday, October 08, 2003.

1. RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
2. RE: warszawa digest: October 04, 2003
3. RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
From: "Kris Murawski" <kris.murawski@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:35:26 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been
searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?
What street numbers are you looking for? Ogrodowa (Garden) Street was
several blocks long and included about seventy apartment houses extending
between
Solna (not Solona ) Street and Plac Kercellego (Kercelli Square). On the
other hand, Solna was rather a short street with only twenty or so
apartment
houses. Those two streets were situated in a "T" configuration with
Ogrodowa beginning in the middle of and at approximately number 10 of
Solna
Street. I happen to have my own snapshot in front of 56 Ogrodowa Street
taken in 1942 or 1943. That part of Ogrodowa was at the other end,
opposite
to Solna. On my photo you can not see much other than a 13 years old boy
kicking a ball, which was me.




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: warszawa digest: October 04, 2003
From: Stefan Mucha <stefan.mucha@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:20:25 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2


Dear Dr Marius Loeffler

Thank you very much for your email.
In answer to your question? I bought these 'Ghetto photos >from a
collector in Germany, like many on the Warszawa list I was hoping that
one of these fotos may include 28 Panska Street which is the last known
address of my grandparents, who were murdered sometime in 1942 in
Warszawa. I am hoping that other members, like yourself, may help
identify some of the streets so that I can add this information to each
foto - in this way they become more meaningful. I have many more fotos
which I have collected over time- of Ghetto life, Warszawa during WW2
and of Poland during this period - again these are mainly taken by Nazi
soldiers as 'tourist' images which have minimal desrcriptions ie.
Warschau 1939! no details as such which would put names to places, of
course there are landmark buildings in many of these fotos as one would
expect. So any help >from anyone to identify the subject matter is most
welcome.

I have posted a further set of 50+ new images on URL:
http://www.thorn.co.uk/WarsawWW2_08-0-03/WarsawWW2_081003.htm

Very best regards,
Stefan Mucha
united Kingdom



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
From: Giselle <Giselle-Thurm@gmx.de>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:55:55 +0100
X-Message-Number: 3

Kolin, Andrew schrieb am 06.10.2003:
Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been
searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and
Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?

HELLO Andrew,

I have a website adresse wixh you can find a map of Warsaw, the
streets and many pictures. May be you can find what you are looking
for. We have just one problem...this website is in polish language.

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php

good luck

regards

Giselle






-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Mucha [mailto:stefan@thorn.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:05 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

Greeting to all in the Warszawa Group!

I have placed a small collection of photographs taken mainly by Nazi
soldiers stationed in Warsaw during the war which I hope some will
find
interesting? I have tried a programme called 'Portfolio' to cerate
the web
album so am interested to see if it downloads okay? If it works
better than
the other mini-albums I created I will convert them all and add
scans more
to each.

To view just copy and paste this URL
http://www.thorn.co.uk/Warsaw_at_War/Warsaw_WW2.htm

Very best regards,

Stefan Mucha
United Kingdom


www.stefanmucha.com



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pictures of warszawa #warsaw #poland

daphna brafman <daphnabrafman@...>
 

HI,
I MUST SAY I COULD RELATE MUCH MORE TO THE PHOTOS IF I KNEW THE EXACT
LOCATIONS.
I ALSO KNOW THE EXACT ADDRESSES OF MY FATHER'S FAMILY IN WARSZAWA. HAVING
PHOTOS OF THESE ADDRESSES MEANS A LOT TO ME.
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Re: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos? #warsaw #poland

Peter Lebensold <lebensold@...>
 

I've just taken a quick look at Giselle's website - and am most =
impressed.
True, it's all in Polish, but there seem to be literally hundreds of
photographs of pre-WWII (and earlier) Warsaw buildings ... and they =
appear
to be searchable by street name (scroll down to "Ulice, place i Wis=B3a" =
on
page=20

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/fundamenty/indeks.htm=20

then search by street) and by map location (go to=20

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php?r1=3Dplany/plan_ogolny.htm&r2=3Ds=
trony/p
lan_ogolny_r.htm=20

, then click on the map to zoom in; it seems that buildings for which =
the
site has photos are identified in colour).
=20
Giselle: Are you planning to add more photographs as they are =
identified?
=20
Peter Lebensold
Toronto


Re: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos? #warsaw #poland

Kolin, Andrew <akolin@...>
 

Thank you fot the kind reply .My relatives-the Kolniczanski family lived on
5 Ogrodowa street.They had a Meat shop on 9 Solna street.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Murawski [mailto:kris.murawski@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:35 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?
What street numbers are you looking for? Ogrodowa (Garden) Street was
several blocks long and included about seventy apartment houses extending
between
Solna (not Solona ) Street and Plac Kercellego (Kercelli Square). On the
other hand, Solna was rather a short street with only twenty or so apartment
houses. Those two streets were situated in a "T" configuration with
Ogrodowa beginning in the middle of and at approximately number 10 of Solna
Street. I happen to have my own snapshot in front of 56 Ogrodowa Street
taken in 1942 or 1943. That part of Ogrodowa was at the other end, opposite
to Solna. On my photo you can not see much other than a 13 years old boy
kicking a ball, which was me.




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Re: photos of Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Much thanks to Stefan Mucha of the United Kingdom for
letting us access his photo collection of Warsaw and
teh ghetto. I am so grateful to those who are willing
to share this kind of information which is so helpful
and interesting to us all. I am wondering if there is
any possibility of putting photos like this into a
book format for purchase? I know I would be most
interested in owning a copy. Meanwhile, I'll be
viewing everything at the website Stefan developed!

By the way, Stefan, the last known address of my
Grandparents was Panska 35, cu 7. We have the last
two postcards my Mother received >from her Father,
Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, both 1939 >from this address.
Another relative, GOLDFLAM, lived at Panska 31. It's
my understanding that many of my relatives resided in
this area, within a few blocks range.

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, RYWKIND,
BAUMWOLL, WASSERSPRING, KIRSCHROT, KUTSCHINSKI

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Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: warszawa digest: October 08, 2003 #warsaw #poland

Joseph Osman <josman@...>
 

I am also looking for pictures of Mila street. My Grand'father Anszel Osman
had a restaurant there: 52, Mila street. Thank you for your help.

Joseph Osman

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: warszawa digest: October 08, 2003


WARSZAWA Digest for Wednesday, October 08, 2003.

1. RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
2. RE: warszawa digest: October 04, 2003
3. RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
From: "Kris Murawski" <kris.murawski@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:35:26 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been
searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?
What street numbers are you looking for? Ogrodowa (Garden) Street was
several blocks long and included about seventy apartment houses extending
between
Solna (not Solona ) Street and Plac Kercellego (Kercelli Square). On the
other hand, Solna was rather a short street with only twenty or so
apartment
houses. Those two streets were situated in a "T" configuration with
Ogrodowa beginning in the middle of and at approximately number 10 of
Solna
Street. I happen to have my own snapshot in front of 56 Ogrodowa Street
taken in 1942 or 1943. That part of Ogrodowa was at the other end,
opposite
to Solna. On my photo you can not see much other than a 13 years old boy
kicking a ball, which was me.




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: warszawa digest: October 04, 2003
From: Stefan Mucha <stefan.mucha@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:20:25 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2


Dear Dr Marius Loeffler

Thank you very much for your email.
In answer to your question? I bought these 'Ghetto photos >from a
collector in Germany, like many on the Warszawa list I was hoping that
one of these fotos may include 28 Panska Street which is the last known
address of my grandparents, who were murdered sometime in 1942 in
Warszawa. I am hoping that other members, like yourself, may help
identify some of the streets so that I can add this information to each
foto - in this way they become more meaningful. I have many more fotos
which I have collected over time- of Ghetto life, Warszawa during WW2
and of Poland during this period - again these are mainly taken by Nazi
soldiers as 'tourist' images which have minimal desrcriptions ie.
Warschau 1939! no details as such which would put names to places, of
course there are landmark buildings in many of these fotos as one would
expect. So any help >from anyone to identify the subject matter is most
welcome.

I have posted a further set of 50+ new images on URL:
http://www.thorn.co.uk/WarsawWW2_08-0-03/WarsawWW2_081003.htm

Very best regards,
Stefan Mucha
united Kingdom



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?
From: Giselle <Giselle-Thurm@gmx.de>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:55:55 +0100
X-Message-Number: 3

Kolin, Andrew schrieb am 06.10.2003:
Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been
searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and
Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?

HELLO Andrew,

I have a website adresse wixh you can find a map of Warsaw, the
streets and many pictures. May be you can find what you are looking
for. We have just one problem...this website is in polish language.

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php

good luck

regards

Giselle






-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Mucha [mailto:stefan@thorn.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:05 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

Greeting to all in the Warszawa Group!

I have placed a small collection of photographs taken mainly by Nazi
soldiers stationed in Warsaw during the war which I hope some will
find
interesting? I have tried a programme called 'Portfolio' to cerate
the web
album so am interested to see if it downloads okay? If it works
better than
the other mini-albums I created I will convert them all and add
scans more
to each.

To view just copy and paste this URL
http://www.thorn.co.uk/Warsaw_at_War/Warsaw_WW2.htm

Very best regards,

Stefan Mucha
United Kingdom


www.stefanmucha.com



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daphna brafman <daphnabrafman@...>
 

HI,
I MUST SAY I COULD RELATE MUCH MORE TO THE PHOTOS IF I KNEW THE EXACT
LOCATIONS.
I ALSO KNOW THE EXACT ADDRESSES OF MY FATHER'S FAMILY IN WARSZAWA. HAVING
PHOTOS OF THESE ADDRESSES MEANS A LOT TO ME.
DAPHNA BRAFMAN

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Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos? #warsaw #poland

Peter Lebensold <lebensold@...>
 

I've just taken a quick look at Giselle's website - and am most =
impressed.
True, it's all in Polish, but there seem to be literally hundreds of
photographs of pre-WWII (and earlier) Warsaw buildings ... and they =
appear
to be searchable by street name (scroll down to "Ulice, place i Wis=B3a" =
on
page=20

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/fundamenty/indeks.htm=20

then search by street) and by map location (go to=20

http://warszawa1939.strefa.pl/index.php?r1=3Dplany/plan_ogolny.htm&r2=3Ds=
trony/p
lan_ogolny_r.htm=20

, then click on the map to zoom in; it seems that buildings for which =
the
site has photos are identified in colour).
=20
Giselle: Are you planning to add more photographs as they are =
identified?
=20
Peter Lebensold
Toronto


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos? #warsaw #poland

Kolin, Andrew <akolin@...>
 

Thank you fot the kind reply .My relatives-the Kolniczanski family lived on
5 Ogrodowa street.They had a Meat shop on 9 Solna street.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Murawski [mailto:kris.murawski@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:35 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] RE: Warsaw 1939-1945 photos?

Many relatives lived and died in the Warsaw Ghetto. I have been searching
for photographs for streets where they lived such as Ogrodowa and Solona
streets. Any suggestions as to where I can locate such photos?
What street numbers are you looking for? Ogrodowa (Garden) Street was
several blocks long and included about seventy apartment houses extending
between
Solna (not Solona ) Street and Plac Kercellego (Kercelli Square). On the
other hand, Solna was rather a short street with only twenty or so apartment
houses. Those two streets were situated in a "T" configuration with
Ogrodowa beginning in the middle of and at approximately number 10 of Solna
Street. I happen to have my own snapshot in front of 56 Ogrodowa Street
taken in 1942 or 1943. That part of Ogrodowa was at the other end, opposite
to Solna. On my photo you can not see much other than a 13 years old boy
kicking a ball, which was me.




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Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: photos of Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Much thanks to Stefan Mucha of the United Kingdom for
letting us access his photo collection of Warsaw and
teh ghetto. I am so grateful to those who are willing
to share this kind of information which is so helpful
and interesting to us all. I am wondering if there is
any possibility of putting photos like this into a
book format for purchase? I know I would be most
interested in owning a copy. Meanwhile, I'll be
viewing everything at the website Stefan developed!

By the way, Stefan, the last known address of my
Grandparents was Panska 35, cu 7. We have the last
two postcards my Mother received >from her Father,
Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, both 1939 >from this address.
Another relative, GOLDFLAM, lived at Panska 31. It's
my understanding that many of my relatives resided in
this area, within a few blocks range.

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, RYWKIND,
BAUMWOLL, WASSERSPRING, KIRSCHROT, KUTSCHINSKI

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