Re: Descendants of Twins #general


My father, who was born in Krynki, Poland in 1898, was one of identical twins but his twin died of (probably) typhus within his first year of life but there are no other twins in our extended family in his or my generation nor had there been any reference to any other set of twins in his previous generation, so, i would guess, you don't need to expect twins in your generation unless by accident...
Murray Stollman
St Pete Beach, FL

Looking for information about Rosenberg sisters from the Bronx and the Brettner family in NY #usa

Richard Stower

I am looking for information about Fay ROSENBERG (b.1914), Florence (b. 1915) and Lillian (b. 1918). Their father was Jack Rosenberg and mother was Katie. They lived in the Bronx on Popham Ave.

Also information about Andrew, Bertha, Maxwell, Julia, Julius, Hannah and Felix BRETTNER.

Thank you.

Richard Stower
Yarmouth, Maine
Dobrowa Tarnowską: KANNER, SCHMIDT, WERNER

Re: Descendants of Twins #general


I'm not a scientist but today I spoke to an ex colleague, a high school science teacher who informed me as follows on this issue:- 

1.  Until recently the thinking was that twins would occur when there were previous generations of twin births and that is what the science teachers in the UK used to teach.   
2.  However, the thinking has changed and twin births are now thought to be more random.
3.  Having said that, there is the phenomenon where some women could be predisposed to releasing 2 eggs giving rise to twins.
4.  But the main issues are (i) the data doesn't go back far enough; (ii) lack of statistical measurement & (iii) oral histories all leading to insecure data analysis.  Hence the change in thinking as set out at 2 above.  

On the subject of oral history, I discovered via Jewish Gen databases that my paternal grandmother was a twin.  She had several children but no twins and neither have I had twins.  

There may be genners 'out there' with more scientific knowledge but in the meantime I hope the above may be of some use to you.   

Malka Flekier
London, UK

Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Mark Halpern

Miriam Weiner’s Routes to Roots Foundation website was introduced to us about 20 years ago. The Archival database provides the holdings by town of repositories in five eastern European countries plus certain repositories in Israel and the United States. What a resource to me and thousands of other genealogists with roots in Eastern Europe. Just look at the great comments that Miriam received back then Well, she did not rest on her laurels.

Miriam gave me a preview tour of her updated website with the new Surnames Database. I entered my mother’s maiden name PERLIS and what a surprise. There were eight collections, five from my mother’s birthplace of Bialystok. I looked at the “List of Jewish Taxpayers, 1847” and there were my great great grandfather Moszko ben Abram PERLIS and my great great great grandfather Abram ben Moszko PERLIS. I had never before been able to place these ancestors in Bialystok or anywhere else before the late 1860s. I now know they were resident in Bialystok in 1847 and most likely for years before 1847. Thank you Miriam!!

If you have not yet searched Miriam’s new Surnames database, do it now.

As a long-time member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Philadelphia, I have known Miriam for a long time. She has always been very kind to our Society; donating books and other materials and speaking to our Society when we have asked. Just last year, well before the pandemic hit all of us, she made a terrific presentation to us. See Well, it’s time to ask again.

Thank you Miriam and also a big thanks to all those who helped you bring this new Surnames database to the Jewish genealogical community.

Mark Halpern
Conshohocken, PA, USA
Jewish Genealogical and Archival Society of Greater Philadelphia, Past President


On 2020-12-22 7:07 pm, Phil Goldfarb wrote:

The lead story in Gary Mokotoff's Nu? What's New? this week was a lengthy article about Miriam Weiner's updated website of The Routes to Roots Foundation at . In addition, she also wrote an article in the new Fall 2020 issue of Avotaynu, The International Review of Jewish Genealogy. For those of you who do not subscribe to these valuable Jewish Genealogy resources, I wanted to let everyone know of the extraordinary and important additions to Miriam's lifelong work.

I had a "preview tour" of the updated website and new surname databases where Miriam includes important information in the "Introduction" on the surname database page. It was exciting for me to see what she has done and is still doing so I wanted to share this release with the Discussion Group Members.

Miriam had her own roots in Tulsa, Oklahoma with her maternal grandparents and mother and we have become friends due to this connection. I urge you to check out her website and I have attached some helpful content descriptions for your perusal.

Good hunting!

Phil Goldfarb


President, JGS of Tulsa

Chairman, 2020 IAJGS Award Selection Committee

Lead Moderator, JewishGen Discussion Group


Re: Descendants of Twins #general


When I unexpectedly had fraternal female twins 28 years ago, people asked me if it ran in the family. My answer at that time was "it does now". Since doing genealogy, I realized that it DOES run in my family. Identical twins do not, but having fraternal twins is governed by the female line and whether she releases two eggs during ovulation. Practically every single female descendant of my maternal great-great-grandmother had twins. My sisters did not, but I guess I was the lucky one. Now to see if my daughters have twins!

Deborah Shindell
Trumbull, CT
researching: Beserglik, Lederhendler, Goldberg (all in Poland) and Szmukler (Ukraine)

Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 #records


How can you get subcarpathia birth certificate that is on the Mukachevo area births, 1871-1880 registry?  

Rita Anne Haberman.

Re: Warsaw Records circa 1920-1922 #poland

Sarah L Meyer

I don't think those records have been released yet.  But check with JRI-Poland.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Sarah L Meyer

It is my understanding that fraternal twins do tend to run in families, but identical twins are purely random events.  My husband's great grand father was an identical twin and my daughter has fraternal twins.  But in order to run in families you should see a lot of them, especially as you look at your great aunts descendants.  Otherwise they are random, and it is my understanding that they are also more common with older mothers.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Adam Goodheart

Another technique for unknown distant DNA matches on Ancestry: 
1) Use the "custom groups" feature to create a color-coded group for each of your ancestral lines.
2) Assign each of your *known* relatives whom you've matched with on Ancestry to a group or groups, identifying which line/s they descend from. (One match can belong to multiple groups.)
3) When you look at an unknown match, go to the list of "Shared Matches" with that person and click on "Groups." The drop-down will show you if the person matches predominantly with your known relatives from a specific ancestral line.
4) Research whether the unknown match shares any of your towns or surnames on that line.
I've used this method to identify quite a few unknown Ancestry matches. It seems to work even with pretty distant relationships. 
For instance, I looked at one unknown "5th-8th cousin" with whom I shared only 14 cms — but with whom I had 3 already-identified shared matches, all of whom came from the same line of my family tree. This 14-cm match turned out to indeed be a 4th cousin from that line of my family, The technique also seems to work especially well when— as in this case —  the unknown match is only part-Jewish.
Adam Goodheart
Washington, DC

Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records

Paul Zoglin

This is a marvelous and significant addition to Miriam's pioneering work cataloguing Jewish records in the Eastern European archives.  The JewishGen Belarus Research Division was very fortunate to be given access to Miriam's Belarus research a couple years ago.  It led to the Miriam Weiner Archive Database for Belarus which is now incorporated into Miriam's new Surname Databases which include over 1 million names from many other regions as well as maps and images of original documents (and more to come).  The value of Miriam's work is not just in data on individual surnames but in the vast record sources her work has revealed.  We are forever indebted to Miriam for leading the way in our journey to trace our ancestral roots.
Dave Feldman
Sharon Fingold
Paul Zoglin
JewishGen Belarus Research Division leadership

Surname Databases #records #announcements

Keren Weiner

Congratulations, Miriam, for the monumental work you are doing with Jewish genealogy. These precious records will open countless doors for us.  The treasures we find will be handed down to our children and their children and so on down the line.  How can we thank you enough for that?  I'm always amazed but never surprised.  Way to go, 'Sis!

Keren Weiner
The Berkshires

Re: Two New SURNAME DATABASES to Check Out! #announcements #records


Miriam Weiner's website at The Routes to Roots Foundation ( has always been one of the go-to sites for Eastern European Jewish research. Now, with this update and the additional information she has added, this should always be the place to start. 
I have been using her site for the last couple of years and the resources and help it provides has taken my research far beyond what I imagined possible, what a blessing.
Thank you, Miriam, for all your incredible work and for making it available for researchers worldwide.




W Todd Knowles, AG
Deputy Chief Genealogical Officer
FamilySearch International

Re: 1899 Psychiatric Diagnosis #records #usa



Although "Terminal Dimentia" seemed to be a catch-all diagnosis meaning the patient couldn't be cured, it included patients with all sorts of conditions -- Syphilitic Pareses among them. This man was 25 when committed, and I can't rule out the possibility of some sort of accident causing brain trauma. I need to do a thorough search of the newspapers in Alachua FL and elsewhere, as well as trying to find the original commitment papers.
Judith Lipmanson
Smyrna, DE USA

looking for information on Gitl Grinberg Vigderovici #names #romania #records #ukraine

Aline Petzold

Hello All:

 I am still trying to track down information on my great grandmother Gitl ( Gitla) Grindberg Vigderovici.  I have documentation that places her birth year around 1855 and names her father as "Avram Grinberg".  Her husband , my great grandfather, was Hersh  (Herscu) Vigderovici.  They lived in Stefanesti, Romania ( now Moldova), where my grandmother and her siblings were born and got married.  I  have been unable to track down any information regarding Avram Grinberg which might lead me to Gitl.  I would love to find out more specifically when and where Gitl was born.  I welcome any ideas...

Aline Petzold
St. Paul MN

Re: Descendants of Twins #general

Eleanor Lind

Do you know if they were identical twins? Could make a difference a doctor would tell you more. 

Eleanor Platt Lind
London UK

Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

Carl Kaplan

I have attended several webinars, and they tend to advise to ignore the "relationship estimate", and rather go with the numbers, and what you know about the family. The numbers I use, from the webinars, for a match worth going after, are Total = >95 cM and one segment > 20cM and two additional segments >10 cM. But that can move. If I see a match that's close, I send a message. The whole idea is to narrow down the thousands of matches. I have definitely found 3rd cousins who were less of a match. One also has to take into consideration what is in the total. Ancestry seems to subtract small pieces from their total. At least this is how I do it. The main objective is to take it down to a manageable number. 

As for replies, good luck. I get very few, and that seems to be a common story. To me, that makes sense. Most of the TV commercials selling DNA kits talk about ethnicity, so I assume most people are ordering DNA kits to find their ethnicity. Since they don't care about matches, they're done. Some sites tell you when the person last logged on. Lots of them are over a year. I have also learned to put as much information as I am comfortable with in my message. I have received several that say, "I think we are related". That doesn't make me want to jump to reply. Lastly, I somewhat ignore last names in common. For a 3rd cousin, and I have found several through DNA, the names can change many times, especially if the connection is mainly through females. Your match can easily be on the 4th surname from the original. Hope this helps.
Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania

Re: Help Reading Ships Manifest #russia #poland


Looks like the town is "Warschau" - Warsaw. And then the second part would be a street address in Warsaw.

Michael Richman

Re: Help Needed Translating Headstones #translation #names

Diane Jacobs

Harry is Tsvi bar Shloma 
Ida is Chaia bat R Shmuel

I hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs 

On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 PM, amitch1066@... wrote:

Hi All,

Would anyone be able to translate the following headstones?  Pix are attached. 

Thanks in advance
Amy Mitchell
Moderator Note: Please reply privately
<Harry Caplan_headstone.jpg>
<Samuel Caplan_headstone.jpg>

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Searching info on Myriam Karesh / Alpern - Emigrated from Triczianne to Palestine circa 1907 #israel


I don't have any information on Myriam Alpern, but my great grandfather Yosef Farber was from Triczianne and came to America in 1903 after spending some time in Bialystok.  He was a bricklayer by trade. I would appreciate any information you have about Triczianne in those years. Thanks.  Paul Farber

Re: Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna

sharon yampell

I have to somewhat disagree with your statement about the person not appearing on a sibling’s list , not being related…  DNA is not evenly distributed so sometimes a sibling may or may not get the same DNA or DNA from the same person.  I have found many family members who I  know I am related to and have shared DNA with and then there are others that should be matches to, because they match other family members on the list, but they don’t…


Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, New Jersey


From: Dahn Cukier via
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:03 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] Help = Ancestry DNA .. is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives? #dna


An opinion.


Try to have more than one known relative to submit DNA. Best a sibling.

If a person is your 3rd cousin, but does not appear in your sibling list,

they are probably not relatives.


But if a person appears in both lists, they may very well be related.


Israel does not permit home DNA test for genealogy, but I found the

children of my mother's second cousin in the north by studying

pages at Yad VeShem. It turned  out that they are interest and tracing

genealogy for years. Neither of us had any idea we exist, DNA

would have found us earlier and showed that we are related.


My grandfather stayed with a family in London after WWI, how

are we related to this family was found a couple of years ago

using DNA result communications tools.


Dahn Cukier



When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas



On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 10:46:56 AM GMT+2, mandy.molava via <> wrote:



 Ancestry - is it worth looking below 2nd Cousin if no proof in trees or known relatives and Jewish on both sides of the families?
Was told not to bother with anything below 4th in 4th Cousin by speaker in a local talk, however told also by another researcher that the DNA is magnified once it gets past 2nd cousin? I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and GEDmatch. (love the GEDmatch tools) to compare and do the wider searches.

Thanks in advance
Mandy Molava


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