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Re: Records for Ellis Island deportees #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Mara,

You can always get the entire record >from the old INS. It will only work
for 1906 and later.

If you are certain that this relative was deported, try again 2 to 6 weeks
later in the ultimate destination city. If this city did not have a port,
then I don't know what to do next.

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and
Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mara Fein" <maraharv@msn.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Records for Ellis Island deportees

I have discovered a relative who came in through Ellis Island in 1901,
but was deported rather than allowed in because of trachoma. I have
read the Record of Detainees at the end of the ship manifest to learn
details there.

My relative was put into the hospital and then received a second hearing.
Does anyone know how to gain access to any other Ellis Island records
that would provide more details on the second hearing itself? I
understand that in some cases those records were retained.


Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lili:
Depends on what country you're asking about.

In Germany, they made everybody do ancestry research. For an excellent
introduction into the issue of "who is a Jew", and the preposterous,
corrupt, unworkable, contradictory system that grew up around it, see
Bryan Mark Rigg's _Hitler's Jewish Soldiers_ (U of Kansas Press).

In many countries, a person's religion was part of registry--birth,
marriage, death, school, etc. Public records offered plenty of information.

In most of Europe, unlike the US, circumcision was rare among Gentiles.
Accordingly, Jewish men were easy to identify.

The key to the whole question is that the Nazis got to make up their own
rules about Jewishness.

Best,

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Records for Ellis Island deportees #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Mara,

You can always get the entire record >from the old INS. It will only work
for 1906 and later.

If you are certain that this relative was deported, try again 2 to 6 weeks
later in the ultimate destination city. If this city did not have a port,
then I don't know what to do next.

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and
Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mara Fein" <maraharv@msn.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Records for Ellis Island deportees

I have discovered a relative who came in through Ellis Island in 1901,
but was deported rather than allowed in because of trachoma. I have
read the Record of Detainees at the end of the ship manifest to learn
details there.

My relative was put into the hospital and then received a second hearing.
Does anyone know how to gain access to any other Ellis Island records
that would provide more details on the second hearing itself? I
understand that in some cases those records were retained.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lili:
Depends on what country you're asking about.

In Germany, they made everybody do ancestry research. For an excellent
introduction into the issue of "who is a Jew", and the preposterous,
corrupt, unworkable, contradictory system that grew up around it, see
Bryan Mark Rigg's _Hitler's Jewish Soldiers_ (U of Kansas Press).

In many countries, a person's religion was part of registry--birth,
marriage, death, school, etc. Public records offered plenty of information.

In most of Europe, unlike the US, circumcision was rare among Gentiles.
Accordingly, Jewish men were easy to identify.

The key to the whole question is that the Nazis got to make up their own
rules about Jewishness.

Best,

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ


RIVLIN Rabbinical Family #rabbinic

Menachem Butler <menachembutler@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers:

Is anyone aware of any published genealogies of the RIVLIN family?

Thanks,
Menachem Butler


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RIVLIN Rabbinical Family #rabbinic

Menachem Butler <menachembutler@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers:

Is anyone aware of any published genealogies of the RIVLIN family?

Thanks,
Menachem Butler


Stary Sambor Rabbis #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor? I am especially interested in R. David HaKohen KALTER and
his son R. Moshe. Both were active in 1870, and R. David apparently
was Dayan and Moreh Tzedek there for 70 years.

Thanks and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Stary Sambor Rabbis #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor? I am especially interested in R. David HaKohen KALTER and
his son R. Moshe. Both were active in 1870, and R. David apparently
was Dayan and Moreh Tzedek there for 70 years.

Thanks and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks


Looking for Kazimierz Dolny (Lublin) Researchers #general

RobinnM@...
 

Dear JewishGen readers:

I visited Kazimierz Dolny near Lublin, Poland in May, 2002 and took some
great photographs of this picturesque town which I'm willing to share with
other Kazimierz Dolny researchers. I am also involved in a project to
index the Jewish KD vital records. If you are interested in that town,
please contact either Norm Katz at: NormK12065@aol.com or me at:
RobinnM@aol.com

We're hoping to hear >from you!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
RobinnM@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Kazimierz Dolny (Lublin) Researchers #general

RobinnM@...
 

Dear JewishGen readers:

I visited Kazimierz Dolny near Lublin, Poland in May, 2002 and took some
great photographs of this picturesque town which I'm willing to share with
other Kazimierz Dolny researchers. I am also involved in a project to
index the Jewish KD vital records. If you are interested in that town,
please contact either Norm Katz at: NormK12065@aol.com or me at:
RobinnM@aol.com

We're hoping to hear >from you!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
RobinnM@aol.com


Re: Obtaining birth certificate from Grahamstown 1885 #southafrica

Deborah Findlay <devorah@...>
 

I stand to be corrected but I think that Gordon Mulholland is deceased.
Perhaps you could try contacting the SABC which is the national broadcaster
in South Africa based in Jhbfor futher info as he was a well known actor.
Debbie Findlay
Hillcrest South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Budlender <annebud@optushome.com.au>
To: South Africa SIG <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: [safrica] Obtaining birth certificate >from Grahamstown 1885


My husband's grandmother died in 1922 at the age of 37. Her youngest child
was only 6 months old at the time of her death and knows nothing about her
mother and grandparents. All we know is that her name was Gertrude
Mulholland, she was born in Grahamstown in 1922, and that she converted to
Judaism when she married approximately 1905. Apparently she was related to
the actor Gordon Mulholland- I have tried without success to obtain
Gordon's
address so I can write to him. How can I find out who Gertrude's parents
were? The Cape Town Beth Din cannot find the appropriate records for
1905,
and I believe it isn't possible to get a birth certificate for Grahamstown
for 1885.

Thank you for any suggestions,
Anne Budlender
Melbourne


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Obtaining birth certificate from Grahamstown 1885 #southafrica

Deborah Findlay <devorah@...>
 

I stand to be corrected but I think that Gordon Mulholland is deceased.
Perhaps you could try contacting the SABC which is the national broadcaster
in South Africa based in Jhbfor futher info as he was a well known actor.
Debbie Findlay
Hillcrest South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Budlender <annebud@optushome.com.au>
To: South Africa SIG <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: [safrica] Obtaining birth certificate >from Grahamstown 1885


My husband's grandmother died in 1922 at the age of 37. Her youngest child
was only 6 months old at the time of her death and knows nothing about her
mother and grandparents. All we know is that her name was Gertrude
Mulholland, she was born in Grahamstown in 1922, and that she converted to
Judaism when she married approximately 1905. Apparently she was related to
the actor Gordon Mulholland- I have tried without success to obtain
Gordon's
address so I can write to him. How can I find out who Gertrude's parents
were? The Cape Town Beth Din cannot find the appropriate records for
1905,
and I believe it isn't possible to get a birth certificate for Grahamstown
for 1885.

Thank you for any suggestions,
Anne Budlender
Melbourne


Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project Thank you ! #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I want to thank fellow genner Robert and the efforts of the Pittsburgh
Jewish Cemetery Project for finding and sending me images of tombstones
belonging to several family members buried at West View Cemetery in
Pittsburgh. I had tried twice to deal directly with West View
to 'purchase' these photos. Both times I was told they would be in the
mail within days! Needless to say, I never received the photos. A while
back I noticed a posting about the Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project and
wrote to Robert. Yesterday, he emailed me images of all the headstones.
Robert is a volunteer for the Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project and tells
me he and his wife have recorded about 3000 to 4000 tombstones in the last
two years. They have more than 20,000 more tombstones to do in Pittsburgh
and there are only four field volunteers for the project. (They also need
data entry clerks). If anyone is interested in volunteer information,
please email me and I will forward your note on to Robert.
Robert's generousity reminded me that I needed to renew my Jewish Gen
contribution, which I just did. I have received so much help >from this
fabulous group, it seemed like a small way to say thanks. Keep the
projects going and the research coming!

Best regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, CA
Searching FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER (Warszawa & Bedzin, Poland), BARSKA/BARSKY
(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER
(Poland), ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ, LEVINE, LUPOLOR, FRIEDSAM,
COHN/COHEN/KOHN/KOHEN/KAHN. NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Baltimore),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), ANTZEL
(Poland), BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project Thank you ! #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I want to thank fellow genner Robert and the efforts of the Pittsburgh
Jewish Cemetery Project for finding and sending me images of tombstones
belonging to several family members buried at West View Cemetery in
Pittsburgh. I had tried twice to deal directly with West View
to 'purchase' these photos. Both times I was told they would be in the
mail within days! Needless to say, I never received the photos. A while
back I noticed a posting about the Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project and
wrote to Robert. Yesterday, he emailed me images of all the headstones.
Robert is a volunteer for the Pittsburgh Jewish cemetery project and tells
me he and his wife have recorded about 3000 to 4000 tombstones in the last
two years. They have more than 20,000 more tombstones to do in Pittsburgh
and there are only four field volunteers for the project. (They also need
data entry clerks). If anyone is interested in volunteer information,
please email me and I will forward your note on to Robert.
Robert's generousity reminded me that I needed to renew my Jewish Gen
contribution, which I just did. I have received so much help >from this
fabulous group, it seemed like a small way to say thanks. Keep the
projects going and the research coming!

Best regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, CA
Searching FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER (Warszawa & Bedzin, Poland), BARSKA/BARSKY
(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER
(Poland), ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ, LEVINE, LUPOLOR, FRIEDSAM,
COHN/COHEN/KOHN/KOHEN/KAHN. NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Baltimore),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), ANTZEL
(Poland), BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ


Re: Translation of word on tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/28/2003 12:48:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sjhogarth@cogeco.ca writes:

<< On my grandmother's tombstone next to her surname is another word in
capital letters 'ayin hay'. Would someone please tell me what this
means. >>

==Initials of "`aleyha hashalom" = Peace be with her. For a male, the
same initials would represent "`alav hashalom" = Peace . . . him.

Incidentally, all Hebrew letters are "capitals"; there is no lowercase.
Some letter, however, take a different (usually elongated) form when at
the end of a word.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of word on tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/28/2003 12:48:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sjhogarth@cogeco.ca writes:

<< On my grandmother's tombstone next to her surname is another word in
capital letters 'ayin hay'. Would someone please tell me what this
means. >>

==Initials of "`aleyha hashalom" = Peace be with her. For a male, the
same initials would represent "`alav hashalom" = Peace . . . him.

Incidentally, all Hebrew letters are "capitals"; there is no lowercase.
Some letter, however, take a different (usually elongated) form when at
the end of a word.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Can external ears serve as a genetic linkage? #general

Mervyn Fox <amfox@...>
 

Both ear creases and configuration, and finger prints, reflect
intra-uterine pressures and experiences and are not genetic in the sense
of inherited. Rarely identical twins may have mirror image finger prints
and possibly ear folds etc although that would depend on the topographical
relationship between the two fetuses during the pregnancy. Both may well
be unique. Hand and foot prints are shared by twins and are of course
used in medical dysmorphology to identify variosu types of syndrome or
abnormality, e.g Down syndrome. Also there may be some change in ear
creases, proportions &c with age but the general pattern probably remains
unique. Dysmorphology textbooks provide variosu measures of specific parts
of the ear lobe which could be used to characterise an individual, but one
would have to photograph them in a standard way. In sum, they do not "run
in families" unless someother gentic condition influencing the ears is
present. Mervyn Fox amfox@usa.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Can external ears serve as a genetic linkage? #general

Mervyn Fox <amfox@...>
 

Both ear creases and configuration, and finger prints, reflect
intra-uterine pressures and experiences and are not genetic in the sense
of inherited. Rarely identical twins may have mirror image finger prints
and possibly ear folds etc although that would depend on the topographical
relationship between the two fetuses during the pregnancy. Both may well
be unique. Hand and foot prints are shared by twins and are of course
used in medical dysmorphology to identify variosu types of syndrome or
abnormality, e.g Down syndrome. Also there may be some change in ear
creases, proportions &c with age but the general pattern probably remains
unique. Dysmorphology textbooks provide variosu measures of specific parts
of the ear lobe which could be used to characterise an individual, but one
would have to photograph them in a standard way. In sum, they do not "run
in families" unless someother gentic condition influencing the ears is
present. Mervyn Fox amfox@usa.net


Re: Looking for Information concerning a Concentration Camp in Belarus #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Cindy:

In regard to question about the location of a Concentration Camp in
Belarus, I suggest that you contact the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in
Washington, DC or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, Israel. They will be able to
assist you.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for Information concerning a Concentration Camp in Belarus #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Cindy:

In regard to question about the location of a Concentration Camp in
Belarus, I suggest that you contact the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in
Washington, DC or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, Israel. They will be able to
assist you.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI