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Re: Rescues by Rudolph KASZTNER, Hungary #general

Israel@...
 

The District Court (Jerusalem, I think)has extensive records of Kastner's
activities. The expression the Court used to describe them was "sold his
soul to the devil."

Israel Pickholtz

For sometime now I have been researching my families Jewish history in
Hungary. I have been trying to access any information on the rescue by
Rudolph KASZTNER of Hungarian Jews to Switzerland in 1944. I would like
to search the list of names of those Jews who were rescued. I have been
unable to find a source for this search.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rescues by Rudolph KASZTNER, Hungary #general

Israel@...
 

The District Court (Jerusalem, I think)has extensive records of Kastner's
activities. The expression the Court used to describe them was "sold his
soul to the devil."

Israel Pickholtz

For sometime now I have been researching my families Jewish history in
Hungary. I have been trying to access any information on the rescue by
Rudolph KASZTNER of Hungarian Jews to Switzerland in 1944. I would like
to search the list of names of those Jews who were rescued. I have been
unable to find a source for this search.


Re: Rescues by Rudolph KASZTNER, Hungary #general

Stephen G. Esrati <steve@...>
 

This most despicable person rescued mainly his own family, the
hangers-on of his Zionist party, and people who paid him.

I fictionalized him in my novel, "The Tenth Prayer: A Novel of Israel."

An Israeli journalist reported on what Kastner really did and was
quickly sued for libel. Kastner charged that he had been libeled in five
counts. The journalist was acquitted on four of them and fined the
equivalent of a penny or two on the fifth.

The case eventually went to the Israeli Supreme Court, but before it
acted, the son of one of the Budapest Jews Kastner had "given" to the
Germans shot and killed Kastner.

Among other despicable things Kastner did was to testify at Nuremberg on
behalf of SS Col. Kurt Becher, the man in charge of pulling Jews’ gold
teeth and of collecting every pfennig he could squeeze out of the dead
Jews of Europe and the man who was in overall charge of all the
extermination camps? Becher survived the war and became the richest man
in West Germany. Kastner was the only Jew in Budapest allowed to drive a
car, to have a telephone, and to wear suits that did not display the
yellow star. Zionist leaders, like Kastner, sent letters to the Jews of
Hungary urging them to volunteer for "labor service" even when they knew
that this was a synonym for death.

Stephen G. Esrati

elizabeth bex wrote:

For sometime now I have been researching my families Jewish history in
Hungary. I have been trying to access any information on the rescue by
Rudolph KASZTNER of Hungarian Jews to Switzerland in 1944. I would like to
search the list of names of those Jews who were rescued. I have been
unable to find a source for this search.


Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/28/2003 7:42:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
susserl@comcast.net writes:

<< [How did the Nazis know which people were Jewish? Were Jews already
registered?] >>

==Jews had been socially segregated and clearly labeled in Germany for
close to a millenium. In the early years of the 19th century they were
forced to register together with their entire family in the Judenmatrikel.

Until the 1830s or so, Jews segregated themselves, wore distinctive
clothes, spoke a distinctive language, had distinctive trades, customs,
habits, foods . . . (a similar distinctiveness existed between Catholics
and Protestants, at least in the villages and small towns). Even in the
late 19th centuriy, after assimilation and Reform, Jews preserved many of
the practices that made them different. Their neighbors never had any
doubt who was Jewish.

Personal religious adherence is of great importance in the German social
order. Birth, marriage and death records clearly spell out the religious
affiliations. Jews were, and I believe still are, registered as Isr
[aelitisch], Jude being considered to have a negative connotation.
Katholisch and Evangelisch (Lutheran) are similarly recorded. Each
taxpayer is assessed a specific tax for religious purposes which goes to
the government which allocates it proportionately to the budgets of each
parish or community, for building and maintaining houses of worship,
staffing them and providing for their support. Thus, the German
government today still determines the structure and nature of local
Jewish communal authorities (known as israelitische Kultusgemeinde), the
qualifications of rabbis, teachers and other officials--and pays their
salary.

One may elect to leave one's religion and join aother, or to declare no
connection with any religion; this information is duly recorded and the
tax is collected anyway. (I assume they don't fund Congregations of the
Godless, so this money must either be divided up among the recognized
religions, or retained by the government).

The Germans, therefore, had better access than we genealogists do, to
officially documented religious affiliations of everyone, going back for
centuries. Many Jews bore first or surnames that were obviously "Jewish."
In the late 1930s it became imperative for people who wanted to enter
universities, get government jobs, be licensed for professions, and so on,
to bring proof of their ancestry; depending on the number of Jewish
grandparents these "Mischlinge" (mixed breed) were declared to be half-
Aryan, quarter Aryan, seven-eighths Aryan etc. The religious affiliation
had long been noted in many documents such as passports; the Nazis also
imprinted a large capital J on the passports of Jews. Jews whose first
names did not clearly enough define them as Jews were forced to add the
additional name Israel (for males) and Sarah (for females) and all
storefronts had to show boldly the "full" names of the owners--making it
easier to systematically smash and loot them.

Failing all else, the Nazis could count on the majority of the Jew's
neighbors and co-workers, customers and passing acquaintances, to inform
the Party officials on who was Jewish, and it was not uncommon for a man
or boy suspected of being a Jew to have his pants pulled down in the
street for further identification.

It was virtually impossible in Germany to hide one's Jewish heritage
without resorting to elabrate (and rarely foolproof) changes of haitation,
trade, name and identity.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rescues by Rudolph KASZTNER, Hungary #general

Stephen G. Esrati <steve@...>
 

This most despicable person rescued mainly his own family, the
hangers-on of his Zionist party, and people who paid him.

I fictionalized him in my novel, "The Tenth Prayer: A Novel of Israel."

An Israeli journalist reported on what Kastner really did and was
quickly sued for libel. Kastner charged that he had been libeled in five
counts. The journalist was acquitted on four of them and fined the
equivalent of a penny or two on the fifth.

The case eventually went to the Israeli Supreme Court, but before it
acted, the son of one of the Budapest Jews Kastner had "given" to the
Germans shot and killed Kastner.

Among other despicable things Kastner did was to testify at Nuremberg on
behalf of SS Col. Kurt Becher, the man in charge of pulling Jews’ gold
teeth and of collecting every pfennig he could squeeze out of the dead
Jews of Europe and the man who was in overall charge of all the
extermination camps? Becher survived the war and became the richest man
in West Germany. Kastner was the only Jew in Budapest allowed to drive a
car, to have a telephone, and to wear suits that did not display the
yellow star. Zionist leaders, like Kastner, sent letters to the Jews of
Hungary urging them to volunteer for "labor service" even when they knew
that this was a synonym for death.

Stephen G. Esrati

elizabeth bex wrote:

For sometime now I have been researching my families Jewish history in
Hungary. I have been trying to access any information on the rescue by
Rudolph KASZTNER of Hungarian Jews to Switzerland in 1944. I would like to
search the list of names of those Jews who were rescued. I have been
unable to find a source for this search.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/28/2003 7:42:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
susserl@comcast.net writes:

<< [How did the Nazis know which people were Jewish? Were Jews already
registered?] >>

==Jews had been socially segregated and clearly labeled in Germany for
close to a millenium. In the early years of the 19th century they were
forced to register together with their entire family in the Judenmatrikel.

Until the 1830s or so, Jews segregated themselves, wore distinctive
clothes, spoke a distinctive language, had distinctive trades, customs,
habits, foods . . . (a similar distinctiveness existed between Catholics
and Protestants, at least in the villages and small towns). Even in the
late 19th centuriy, after assimilation and Reform, Jews preserved many of
the practices that made them different. Their neighbors never had any
doubt who was Jewish.

Personal religious adherence is of great importance in the German social
order. Birth, marriage and death records clearly spell out the religious
affiliations. Jews were, and I believe still are, registered as Isr
[aelitisch], Jude being considered to have a negative connotation.
Katholisch and Evangelisch (Lutheran) are similarly recorded. Each
taxpayer is assessed a specific tax for religious purposes which goes to
the government which allocates it proportionately to the budgets of each
parish or community, for building and maintaining houses of worship,
staffing them and providing for their support. Thus, the German
government today still determines the structure and nature of local
Jewish communal authorities (known as israelitische Kultusgemeinde), the
qualifications of rabbis, teachers and other officials--and pays their
salary.

One may elect to leave one's religion and join aother, or to declare no
connection with any religion; this information is duly recorded and the
tax is collected anyway. (I assume they don't fund Congregations of the
Godless, so this money must either be divided up among the recognized
religions, or retained by the government).

The Germans, therefore, had better access than we genealogists do, to
officially documented religious affiliations of everyone, going back for
centuries. Many Jews bore first or surnames that were obviously "Jewish."
In the late 1930s it became imperative for people who wanted to enter
universities, get government jobs, be licensed for professions, and so on,
to bring proof of their ancestry; depending on the number of Jewish
grandparents these "Mischlinge" (mixed breed) were declared to be half-
Aryan, quarter Aryan, seven-eighths Aryan etc. The religious affiliation
had long been noted in many documents such as passports; the Nazis also
imprinted a large capital J on the passports of Jews. Jews whose first
names did not clearly enough define them as Jews were forced to add the
additional name Israel (for males) and Sarah (for females) and all
storefronts had to show boldly the "full" names of the owners--making it
easier to systematically smash and loot them.

Failing all else, the Nazis could count on the majority of the Jew's
neighbors and co-workers, customers and passing acquaintances, to inform
the Party officials on who was Jewish, and it was not uncommon for a man
or boy suspected of being a Jew to have his pants pulled down in the
street for further identification.

It was virtually impossible in Germany to hide one's Jewish heritage
without resorting to elabrate (and rarely foolproof) changes of haitation,
trade, name and identity.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: US Navy search #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:46:21 UTC, zen28027@zen.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus)
opined:

A first cousin of mine left home in Minneapolis in 1918 aged 15 and
never returned. He reputedly contacted his family once c 1924 to say
he was in the US Navy in San Diego Cal . He may have give a false
age and name to enlist, Would he be required to show any id in a
recuiting office 1918 and any ideas on tracing .
Aubrey Jacobus
London
I have no real idea of what happened in recruiting offices in 1918.
But it seems clear that the only place the event would have left
tracks is in Navy personnel records. You might write to

Bureau of Personnel
United States Navy
Washington DC

telling them whatever you know, in order to define the person for whom
you are searching. Depending upon how well your cousin hid his
identity, you may or may not find him.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the capital letters >from my address in order to send me
email, and include "JewishGen" in the subject line, else your message
will be deleted automatically, unread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: US Navy search #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:46:21 UTC, zen28027@zen.co.uk (Aubrey Jacobus)
opined:

A first cousin of mine left home in Minneapolis in 1918 aged 15 and
never returned. He reputedly contacted his family once c 1924 to say
he was in the US Navy in San Diego Cal . He may have give a false
age and name to enlist, Would he be required to show any id in a
recuiting office 1918 and any ideas on tracing .
Aubrey Jacobus
London
I have no real idea of what happened in recruiting offices in 1918.
But it seems clear that the only place the event would have left
tracks is in Navy personnel records. You might write to

Bureau of Personnel
United States Navy
Washington DC

telling them whatever you know, in order to define the person for whom
you are searching. Depending upon how well your cousin hid his
identity, you may or may not find him.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the capital letters >from my address in order to send me
email, and include "JewishGen" in the subject line, else your message
will be deleted automatically, unread.


Re: Records for Ellis Island deportees #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Mara,

You can always get the entire record >from the old INS. It will only work
for 1906 and later.

If you are certain that this relative was deported, try again 2 to 6 weeks
later in the ultimate destination city. If this city did not have a port,
then I don't know what to do next.

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and
Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mara Fein" <maraharv@msn.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Records for Ellis Island deportees

I have discovered a relative who came in through Ellis Island in 1901,
but was deported rather than allowed in because of trachoma. I have
read the Record of Detainees at the end of the ship manifest to learn
details there.

My relative was put into the hospital and then received a second hearing.
Does anyone know how to gain access to any other Ellis Island records
that would provide more details on the second hearing itself? I
understand that in some cases those records were retained.


Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lili:
Depends on what country you're asking about.

In Germany, they made everybody do ancestry research. For an excellent
introduction into the issue of "who is a Jew", and the preposterous,
corrupt, unworkable, contradictory system that grew up around it, see
Bryan Mark Rigg's _Hitler's Jewish Soldiers_ (U of Kansas Press).

In many countries, a person's religion was part of registry--birth,
marriage, death, school, etc. Public records offered plenty of information.

In most of Europe, unlike the US, circumcision was rare among Gentiles.
Accordingly, Jewish men were easy to identify.

The key to the whole question is that the Nazis got to make up their own
rules about Jewishness.

Best,

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Records for Ellis Island deportees #general

Kevin Hanit <klh44@...>
 

Mara,

You can always get the entire record >from the old INS. It will only work
for 1906 and later.

If you are certain that this relative was deported, try again 2 to 6 weeks
later in the ultimate destination city. If this city did not have a port,
then I don't know what to do next.

Thanks,
Kevin Hanit
Concord, ON Canada

Searching for: ABELOVICH (Derechin to Canada, Israel, New York and
Argentina),
PARELMAN & PAREPLOTCHIK (Baranovichi to New York & Yarmouth, NS), KLETSKIN,
LEVITT, HOROWITZ, STOLAR (Baranovichi to Israel), GERCHICOF (Kyiv, Canada),
ROTFOGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and USA, Lodz to Israel),
SPIEGEL (Kielce or Lagow, Poland to Canada and Philadelphia, PA)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mara Fein" <maraharv@msn.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Records for Ellis Island deportees

I have discovered a relative who came in through Ellis Island in 1901,
but was deported rather than allowed in because of trachoma. I have
read the Record of Detainees at the end of the ship manifest to learn
details there.

My relative was put into the hospital and then received a second hearing.
Does anyone know how to gain access to any other Ellis Island records
that would provide more details on the second hearing itself? I
understand that in some cases those records were retained.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: how did the Nazis know who was Jewish #general

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lili:
Depends on what country you're asking about.

In Germany, they made everybody do ancestry research. For an excellent
introduction into the issue of "who is a Jew", and the preposterous,
corrupt, unworkable, contradictory system that grew up around it, see
Bryan Mark Rigg's _Hitler's Jewish Soldiers_ (U of Kansas Press).

In many countries, a person's religion was part of registry--birth,
marriage, death, school, etc. Public records offered plenty of information.

In most of Europe, unlike the US, circumcision was rare among Gentiles.
Accordingly, Jewish men were easy to identify.

The key to the whole question is that the Nazis got to make up their own
rules about Jewishness.

Best,

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ


RIVLIN Rabbinical Family #rabbinic

Menachem Butler <menachembutler@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers:

Is anyone aware of any published genealogies of the RIVLIN family?

Thanks,
Menachem Butler


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RIVLIN Rabbinical Family #rabbinic

Menachem Butler <menachembutler@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers:

Is anyone aware of any published genealogies of the RIVLIN family?

Thanks,
Menachem Butler


Stary Sambor Rabbis #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor? I am especially interested in R. David HaKohen KALTER and
his son R. Moshe. Both were active in 1870, and R. David apparently
was Dayan and Moreh Tzedek there for 70 years.

Thanks and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Stary Sambor Rabbis #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks <kleinwks@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

Does anyone have information on the 19th century rabbis of Stary
Sambor? I am especially interested in R. David HaKohen KALTER and
his son R. Moshe. Both were active in 1870, and R. David apparently
was Dayan and Moreh Tzedek there for 70 years.

Thanks and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks


Looking for Kazimierz Dolny (Lublin) Researchers #general

RobinnM@...
 

Dear JewishGen readers:

I visited Kazimierz Dolny near Lublin, Poland in May, 2002 and took some
great photographs of this picturesque town which I'm willing to share with
other Kazimierz Dolny researchers. I am also involved in a project to
index the Jewish KD vital records. If you are interested in that town,
please contact either Norm Katz at: NormK12065@aol.com or me at:
RobinnM@aol.com

We're hoping to hear >from you!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
RobinnM@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Kazimierz Dolny (Lublin) Researchers #general

RobinnM@...
 

Dear JewishGen readers:

I visited Kazimierz Dolny near Lublin, Poland in May, 2002 and took some
great photographs of this picturesque town which I'm willing to share with
other Kazimierz Dolny researchers. I am also involved in a project to
index the Jewish KD vital records. If you are interested in that town,
please contact either Norm Katz at: NormK12065@aol.com or me at:
RobinnM@aol.com

We're hoping to hear >from you!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
RobinnM@aol.com


Re: Obtaining birth certificate from Grahamstown 1885 #southafrica

Deborah Findlay <devorah@...>
 

I stand to be corrected but I think that Gordon Mulholland is deceased.
Perhaps you could try contacting the SABC which is the national broadcaster
in South Africa based in Jhbfor futher info as he was a well known actor.
Debbie Findlay
Hillcrest South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Budlender <annebud@optushome.com.au>
To: South Africa SIG <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: [safrica] Obtaining birth certificate >from Grahamstown 1885


My husband's grandmother died in 1922 at the age of 37. Her youngest child
was only 6 months old at the time of her death and knows nothing about her
mother and grandparents. All we know is that her name was Gertrude
Mulholland, she was born in Grahamstown in 1922, and that she converted to
Judaism when she married approximately 1905. Apparently she was related to
the actor Gordon Mulholland- I have tried without success to obtain
Gordon's
address so I can write to him. How can I find out who Gertrude's parents
were? The Cape Town Beth Din cannot find the appropriate records for
1905,
and I believe it isn't possible to get a birth certificate for Grahamstown
for 1885.

Thank you for any suggestions,
Anne Budlender
Melbourne


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Obtaining birth certificate from Grahamstown 1885 #southafrica

Deborah Findlay <devorah@...>
 

I stand to be corrected but I think that Gordon Mulholland is deceased.
Perhaps you could try contacting the SABC which is the national broadcaster
in South Africa based in Jhbfor futher info as he was a well known actor.
Debbie Findlay
Hillcrest South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Budlender <annebud@optushome.com.au>
To: South Africa SIG <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: [safrica] Obtaining birth certificate >from Grahamstown 1885


My husband's grandmother died in 1922 at the age of 37. Her youngest child
was only 6 months old at the time of her death and knows nothing about her
mother and grandparents. All we know is that her name was Gertrude
Mulholland, she was born in Grahamstown in 1922, and that she converted to
Judaism when she married approximately 1905. Apparently she was related to
the actor Gordon Mulholland- I have tried without success to obtain
Gordon's
address so I can write to him. How can I find out who Gertrude's parents
were? The Cape Town Beth Din cannot find the appropriate records for
1905,
and I believe it isn't possible to get a birth certificate for Grahamstown
for 1885.

Thank you for any suggestions,
Anne Budlender
Melbourne