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Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Jules Feldman
 

There is a Hebrew name Chasha which exists among the ultra-Orthodox in
Jerusalem

Chashele is a diminutive form of the name.

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Marcel Apsel
 

Harvey,

 

It might be a diminutive of Chasya

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

 

If you don’t remember me, I think we had together Friday night dinner in 2018 at the Warsaw Seminar together with Bill Gladstone.

 

Marcel


Re: 1940 US Census problem #records #usa

m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

Hi Richard,
What name are you looking for? I am pretty good at finding elusive relatives. What street did they  live on in 1930?
--
Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

lydgateaction@...
 

Is it not perhaps Chavala -- .חבלה Although the Hebrew meaning of the name Chavala is "life", in Yiddish it sometimes also meant "a little bird" I think. 
 
I'm no expert but I can see possible confusion in the lettering and transliteration /sin/ vs /shin/ and /bet vs /vet/
 
In Fiddler on the roof, Tevya sings a song ``Little bird, little Chavala'' (about his daughter Chavala). 
 
"Little Bird, Little Chavala
I don't understand what's happening today
everything is all a blur
Gentle and kind and affectionate
The sweet little bird you were
Chavala, Chavala
Little Bird, Little Chavala....

Aubrey Blumsohn
Sheffield, UK


Re: Geni Family Trees #general

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Jeffrey, 

The evidence of progressive correctness comes from the various large areas I have worked, for example, the Frankfurt and Prague and Vienna Jewish communities.  I know it is hard for people to believe or understand, but there are many people (not just me) who are extremely active on Geni, doing more than you could ever think is possible.  Some of them become curators (there are several hundred volunteer curators now) and we have frequent discussions (some public, some private) on how to resolve problem areas, for example, when recurring mistakes creep in.  One of the tools we have as curators is to lock down profiles so that new relationships cannot be added without curator approval.  The tree is always a work-in-progress, but it does improve over time.  Look, for example, at the tree of the Maharal of Prague.  There are still some issues, but we have tried to eliminate much of the apocryphal ancestry that you will find on most other sites, based on recent scholarship.  The more evidence is added to the profiles, the easier it is to avoid and resolve errors.  Slowly, but surely, the tree comes together in ways that just are not possible when people work by themselves.  In the Frankfurt tree, I collaborate with a number of others who scour the tree looking for conflicts and discrepancies.  The Geni program also has features that can alert you to potential errors.  In the Prague Jewish tree, I have fewer collaborators, but we are gradually piecing together the families, using old and new resources, so that when people find it, they do not have to reinvent the wheel and can take advantage of the work that has already been done., and then make improvements.  We all make mistakes, of course; that is unavoidable.  And anyone who has experience working with old records knows that there are often errors and ambiguities.  As I have written previously in one of my old blogs, there is no such thing as certainty in genealogy.  We are all just doing our best to figure things out until the next piece of evidence comes along that either confirms our assumptions or requires us to reevaluate them.

I agree that it is one of the things that is very difficult for users operating in a smaller field to understand, that a process that allows some errors to creep into their tree is also a process that ends up catching and correcting even more errors.  I try to explain that it is like a machine that goes three steps forward and one step back, three steps forward and one step back . . . .  Over time, it averages out to real progress.  

Randy Schoenberg


Re: Searching for Spector Families #ukraine #usa

David Mason
 

I was able to reconnect two branches of the family I’m working on with 1920 census data, where the pioneering brothers were still living in the same household in Philadelphia.  One brother immigrated in 1903; the other followed ten years later.  I have not able to find the earlier arrival in the 1910 census.

 

Another member of this forum was able to find brother #2’s immigration record for me.  Census records only show the country of birth, however the immigration record also showed the town they came from, as a mangled but still recognizable transliteration.

 

David Mason

Culver City, California

 


Excellent lecture series from The Holocaust Exhibition and Learning Centre #holocaust

Ellen Caplan
 

The Holocaust Exhibition and Learning Centre at The University of Huddersfield, UK is a hidden gem. I don’t remember where I heard of them - perhaps in this very discussion list. They have an excellent series of free, online lectures that I have been attending. The subjects are interesting, and the speakers have been first-rate. I couldn’t help but notice that attendance is low - in each of the Zoom lectures that I listened to, there were not more than 25 attendees, which is really a shame. 

Recent topics included Creating the National Institute of Holocaust Documentation at the USHMM (United Stated Holocaust Memorial Museum); and Antisemitism and the Russian Revolution. Lectures yet to come include Jewish Refugees Find a Haven in the Dominican Republic; Sources of the Holocaust and from Concentration Camps: Documents and Personal Items from the Arolsen Archives; Shores of Light, Salento 1945,1947: Film Streaming and Director Talk.
 
I highly recommend these lectures.

Ellen Caplan
Ottawa, Canada
Researching: EISENBERG, NAGLER, GINIGER, KLINGER: Mielnica, Ustye Biscupie, & Zalescie, Galicia; BREGER, LIEBMAN: Gomel & area, Belarus; PARADISGARTEN,  SOLOMON: Tukums & Mitau, Latvia


Markus ROSNER (1859-1934) From Tarnow #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners, 

Just discovered  on JRI-PL that my late grandfather Chiel Jakub ROSNER had a brother called Markus ROSNER who died in Tarnow in 1934 at the age of 75. I do not find  anything else about him.

His parents were Rubin ROSNER and Malka PERLBERG. If it rings a bell I would like to hear about it.

Thanks


Jacob Rosen

Jerusalem


Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

You don't say whether the record actually gives the name of the child Regina, which is usually the case in Pfalz birth records. . As quoted, I agree that uneh;lich means unmarried, and I take it, also that Karolina's ,father's name was Isaak. Is Regina also given a surname, in  the record,  I wonder, which would be an indication of her  father's idemtity?
--
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


families left out of 1793 Czech Jewish census #austria-czech #general

Craig Partridge
 

Every census misses some folks.  I'm trying to get a sense of how many
people were missed in the 1793 Czech Jewish census.

If you know of a family (individuals are trickier, so I'm focused on
families) that was missed by the 1793 census, could you drop me a note
describing how you know the family existed and where they lived?

Thanks!

Craig (rfc974@...)


Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Tamas Fleischer
 

(My other address was registered in JG I have to re-send this post. 
I know since there were many new posts, perhaps still relevant. It addressed to the starter of this line.)
 
Dear Joan,
 
(1) in the case of Geni public surface there exist 'my family' but not exist 'my tree'
 
(2) it is a positive act to add joining family details to the tree. If you find a mistake in the added information, you can correct it, or negotiate it with the partner.
 
(3) to delete family branches from other people's family just because you don't like to see it is explicitly a brutal intervention against another partner's activity -- a much more severe error in the collaboration, than your supposed harm you complain about.
 
Tamás Fleischer
Budapest


given name Chashele #latvia #names

rv Kaplan
 

Can anyone tell me about the given name Chashele - for someone who was born in 19th century Lithuania.  Is it Yiddish, corresponding to a Hebrew name?  Seems to refer in my family to my grandfather's sister Ray. I don't know if she was maybe Rochel Chashele?
 
thanks
 
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland
 
 KAPLAN, FAYN, FEIN, FINE, BARSD, GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania


Descendants of Rav Chaim of Volozhin #belarus

Nancy Roberts
 

Hello,

There is a small possibility that Rav Chaim ITZKOVITZ of VOLOZHIN was
my fifth great-grandfather. If the connection is correct, it is
through his daughter, Esther, and granddaughter, Beile Raske
FRIED/FRIEDLAENDER. I am trying to find out whether Beile Raske had a
son named Yehuda Lev, who took or had the surname LAFFER. If so, did
he have a daughter named Musha Beile, known as Bessie in English? She
married Samuel MULWITZ, my great-grandfather.

In other words:
> Rav Chaim ITZKOVITZ of VOLOZHIN
>> Esther ITZKOVITZ FRIED/FRIEDLAENDER
>>>Beile Raske HALEVI
>>>>Yehuda Lev LAFFER
>>>>>Mushe Beile (Bessie) LAFFER MULWITZ

I have searched JewishGen and Geni.com so far (including the geni.com
listings for "The Unbroken Chain"), but I haven't found any
information about Beile's children, other than her daughter Sarah. Any
assistance would be most appreciated.

Thank you,

Nancy Roberts
Montclair, NJ USA
 


Reclaim The Records is going after EVERY SINGLE DIGITIZED RECORD at the New York City Municipal Archives, to put them all online, for free public use #usa #records

Asparagirl
 

Reclaim The Records is once again taking on the New York City Municipal Archives, but this time we're asking for ALLLLL THEIR RECORDS. All of them.
 
We want every historical New York City birth, marriage, and death record. Every scan of an old will or deed or tax assessment list or military recruit list. Every everything! We're going to get them and then put them all online for free, for everyone to use. No fees, no restrictions.

We're sick of the Archives' illegal and immoral "licensing" and "permissions" con job restricting public access to historical public records. We're mad that they're continually ignoring the people and patrons they're supposed to be serving.

And so, we just filed a big brand new Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request with the city, and you can read all about it here, in very copious detail:
 
This would mean that all of the genealogy websites you know and love, both commercial and non-profit, large and small, as well as individual researchers or teachers or journalists or anybody, would finally have access to download and re-upload and re-publish every single historical New York City vital record, for free. Millions and millions of them! And unlike the Archives, we won’t have any dumb “Mother, May I?” permission slips or shady licensing fees to line our pockets. It’s all gonna be free, forever.
 
We're also going to be going after much of the Archives' microfilm holdings, and eventually some of their never-before-scanned-or-photographed paper and book holdings. And early next year, we're planning on launching a groundbreaking kind of new lawsuit against the agency, asking to get genealogists' money back, for all the "licenses" they've had to pay out for years, for the use of old public domain records that the Archives has never owned and will never own. More details about that are forthcoming on our website.
 
Enjoy! :-)
 
 
- Brooke Schreier Ganz
President and Founder, Reclaim The Records
Mill Valley, California


Rabbi Joe KATZOFF-Israel (Givatayim) #israel #usa

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Several months ago I was informed that 30 years ago there was a Rabbi
Joe KATZOFF living in Givatayim or Petach Tikva , Israel. It was most
likely as my brother who is a Rabbi and lived in P.T. 30 years didn"t
hear of him. It seems he was a relative of my late uncle Pincus
KATZOFF (lastly of New Rochelle, N.Y.) and therefore mine too.

Does anyone know this Joe KATZOFF .?

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Jerusalem


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

With dozens of posts on this topic and strong opinions, it's clear that
we are not going to agree.  However, one of the forum guidelines is
civil discourse, and I'm sorry that at least one abusive post has
slipped past the moderators.

It's fine to point out Geni's shortcomings; bashing each other --
especially in a message sent to all -- is out of line.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Stephen Katz
 

I am in complete agreement with Dr. Blumsohn, and I share his chagrin at the offensive and disrespectful comments directed at him by a previous poster. Further, that previous poster's remarks that geni is the "best platform to combat" the propagation of errors, and is superior in that regard to other platforms such as Ancestry and My Heritage, posit an irrelevant comparison. The issue is not whether geni is better than other platforms; it's whether it's advisable to put one's family tree on geni. His assertion that geni allows for the discovery and propagation of errors is belied by the actual experiences of several other posters to this thread, including me. Simply put, one who puts a tree on geni loses control over its contents.
Stephen Katz 
USA


searching for parents of Nathan HAASE #general

George Fogelson
 

Searching for the names of parents of Nathan HAASE (1838-1912 Berlin)

My great great uncle Nathan HAASE was born 5 May 1838 and died January
3, 1912 in Berlin. He lived in Konigsberg and Wormditt, East Prussia.
I would like suggestions on how to find the names of his parents. One
of his sons was the famous social democrat Hugo Haase who was shot on
the steps of the Reichstag in 1919 and died a few days later.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

George FOGELSON
Redondo Beach, CA
fogelson@...


Searching for Spector Families #ukraine #usa

WALTER SPECTOR
 

Hi Genners,

I am searching the Spector family from Zaslav Russia (Ukraine). Some Spectors settled in Woodbine NJ and then went to Philadelphia. Other Spector families settled in the Boston, Haverhill and Chelsea areas in Massachusetts. My brick wall is the connection between the two Spector families. There are a number of individuals with the same given names.

In addition, there is a connection between the Spector and Greenstein families from the same locations. There were marriages bewteen the Spectors and Greensteins. My ggrandfather was a Spector and my ggrandmother was a Greenstein. My great uncle married a Greenstein Haverhill, Mass. His cousin married a sister from the same family.

Any help or conversation would be greatly appreciated.

Walter Spector
Philadelphia
educonser@...

Searching:
SPECTOR- Zaslov (Izyaslov) Volhynia Gub. Ukraine-Woodbine NJ-Phila. PA;
EBY (AB) Rushany, Grodno Gub. Belarus-Woodbine NJ- Phila.PA;
BECKER- Klevan, Rovno Phila. PA Brooklyn NY: GREENSTEIN-Boston MA:
SELTZER (ZELTZER)-Rovno, Klevan, Alexandria; Poland-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov- Phila. PA
PITKOWSKI- Rushany, Grodno Gub. STEINBERG –Los Angeles
ROTHSTEIN- (Rotstein) Phila. PA;
RUDOFSKY- Boston
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Searching:
SPECTOR- Zaslov (Izyaslov) Volhynia Gub. Ukraine-Woodbine NJ-Phila. PA;
EBY (AB)-  Rushany, Grodno Gub. Belarus-Woodbine NJ- Phila.PA;       
BECKER-  Klevan, Rovno Phila. PA Brooklyn NY:   GREENSTEIN-Boston MA:
SELTZER (ZELTZER)Rovno, Klevan, Alexandria; Poland-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov- Phila. PA
PITKOWSKI Rushany, Grodno Gub. STEINBERG –Los Angeles CA  ROTHSTEIN (Rotstein)  Phila. PA;
Rudofsky Boston


Re: Re Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Tamas Fleischer
 

(My other address was registered in JG I have to re-send this post. 
I know since there were many new posts, perhaps still relevant. It addressed to the starter of this line.)
 
Tamas Fleischer <fleischer.tamas@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. okt. 28., Sze, 13:33):

Dear Joan,
 
(1) in the case of Geni public surface there exist 'my family' but not exist 'my tree'
 
(2) it is a positive act to add joining family details to the tree. If you find a mistake in the added information, you can correct it, or negotiate it with the partner.
 
(3) to delete family branches from other people's family just because you don't like to see it is explicitly a brutal intervention against another partner's activity -- a much more severe error in the collaboration, than your supposed harm you complain about.
 
Tamás Fleischer
Budapest

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