--- Barry Edwin Sieger <BarryEdwin@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Prior to the passage of the Basic Naturalization Act of
June 29, 1906 very little personal information was collected
during the naturalization process. The only information you
receive is the relative's name, date of naturalization,
address, occupation, birth date, former nationality,
port of arrival, and date of arrival, and names and address
and occupation of witnesses to naturalization.

The above is actually a best case scenario. Many
naturalizations before 1906 had much less information.
My g-grandfather's naturalization petition in District
Court in Philadelphia in 1900 only has his name, date
of naturalization, nationality, and age. No
occupation, birthdate, or the important arrival
information which I still cannot find anywhere. It
doesn't even say anything about his declaration.

Also, NARA does *not* have an index of *all* pre 1906
naturalizations in the US. They do for New York, but
not for many other places. Before 1906 any court in
any city or town could naturalize people and many of
these records only exist unindexed on dusty shelves in
old courthouses.

Mark Jacobson
Boca Raton, FL


DOGULOV - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; COBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN - Drohobycz, Galicia; KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Brzozow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia

Is there someone in the Ft Lauderdale Florida area who can help us find
a newspaper clipping or other record of a shooting death in 1983? I am
interested in anything about the victim, whose name I know.

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz

--- Barry Edwin Sieger <BarryEdwin@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Prior to the passage of the Basic Naturalization Act of
June 29, 1906 very little personal information was collected
during the naturalization process. The only information you
receive is the relative's name, date of naturalization,
address, occupation, birth date, former nationality,
port of arrival, and date of arrival, and names and address
and occupation of witnesses to naturalization.

The above is actually a best case scenario. Many
naturalizations before 1906 had much less information.
My g-grandfather's naturalization petition in District
Court in Philadelphia in 1900 only has his name, date
of naturalization, nationality, and age. No
occupation, birthdate, or the important arrival
information which I still cannot find anywhere. It
doesn't even say anything about his declaration.

Also, NARA does *not* have an index of *all* pre 1906
naturalizations in the US. They do for New York, but
not for many other places. Before 1906 any court in
any city or town could naturalize people and many of
these records only exist unindexed on dusty shelves in
old courthouses.

Mark Jacobson
Boca Raton, FL


DOGULOV - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; COBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN - Drohobycz, Galicia; KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Brzozow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia

Is there someone in the Ft Lauderdale Florida area who can help us find
a newspaper clipping or other record of a shooting death in 1983? I am
interested in anything about the victim, whose name I know.

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz

If any of you are familiar with the below named Genners, listed in the
JGFF but with bouncing addresses, please contact me. Thanks, Carol
Raspler, Delray Beach, FL (Yes, I have already listed them with
LostNFound)

Jill Bashein (#1848), Rockville, MD
Carolyn Kaplan Harris (#2040), Los Angeles, CA
Bea Cohen (#2851), Easton, PA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

If any of you are familiar with the below named Genners, listed in the
JGFF but with bouncing addresses, please contact me. Thanks, Carol
Raspler, Delray Beach, FL (Yes, I have already listed them with
LostNFound)

Jill Bashein (#1848), Rockville, MD
Carolyn Kaplan Harris (#2040), Los Angeles, CA
Bea Cohen (#2851), Easton, PA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Shalom to all
Do you recognize anyone on this photo ?
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2162

Please, response me privetly
Regards,
David Sandler
yelena_se@bezeqint.net

Hi

I am researching the COBE family in UK and US and the FRANKS family in the
UK.

In the UK the Cobe family was based in Manchester - my great-grandfather
Louis Cobe started a cap making factory there. Before that he came from
Krotoszyn (Krotochin) in Prussia (now in Poland). I am also looking for
anyone who knows about the William, Meyer and Mark Henry Cobe families in
Boston, Massachusetts, US as well.

My great-great-great grandfather was Jacob Franks - an optician in
Manchester in the late 18th century. He had 24 children who may have moved
anywhere in the UK or the US. I would be particularly interested if anyone
can link the UK and US Franks families.

If anyone knows any information on these families please let me know.

Dawn Cobe

Not long ago, I asked for help in identifying the region of Zamot. I
received a number of helpful replies, particular thanks to Len Yodaiken. I
have put everything together and present it here for your information.

1 Zamot

Zamot was mainly occupied by the Samogitians, a Lithuanian tribe whose
members remained heathens until the early 15th century. Zamot (Samogitia or Zamogitie) included all of Lithuania west of the Nevezha (Nevez'is) river (flowing south >from Vilkomir Province above Panevezys and ending in the Nieman river). In the early days, the land was mostly marshy. It was
divided into Western Samogitia whose Eastern boundary was the Dubisa river
(rising in the mountains around Bobya in Siauliai Province and ending in the Nieman river near Sardnik) and Eastern Samogitia which included the area between the Dubisa and the Nevezha. Zamot extended north to the border of Kurland in Latvia, south to the Nieman river (rising west of Minsk, flowing west, then due north to Kaunas and then west to Koenigsberg) and into the Baltic Sea.

Samogitia is English for the Lithuanian Zhemaitiya (the H replaces the
little half circle over the Z). Jews shortened the name into Yiddish.
Zhemaitiya became Zhamo or Zamot. In Russian it is Zhmud. Zamot was the
last part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to be settled by Jews. In the
18th century Jews moved there in large numbers, in part because they had been driven out of the large towns of Grodno, Brest-Litovsk and Vilnius by the local non Jewish populations, especially middle class Germans who were
organized in Guilds closed to the Jews. However, with the backing of the
nobility who wanted to bring down prices, the Jews managed to compete.

Many of the largely Jewish shtetls and towns in Zamot were first settled at
that time The border between Lithuania and Kurland was always a subject of
disputes and disagreements. The Russian Imperial Government repeatedly
changed borders between Kovno province and Kurland province. The border
with the Baltic Sea has also changed repeatedly. The Memel area to the west of the border was part of the German province of East Prussia which became part of the German Empire in 1871. Lithuania became independent following WW I.

In 1923, a strip of land along the Baltic, sometimes known as the
Memel Territory, was added to Lithuania. This strip, including the city of Memel, ran south to the Nemunas River (known in German as the Russ River
and Memel River, and in Russian as the Niemen). Memel was renamed
Klaipeda. Germany seized the strip in 1939 and Klaipeda again became
Memel. The Soviet Union annexed the rest of Lithuania in 1940. Following
World War II, the strip became part of Russia and Memel again became
Klaipeda. The strip became part of Lithuania in 1990 when Lithuania became
independent of Russia.

Stanley H. Judd Los Altos Hills, CA
Searching JUDELOWITZ/YUDELOWITZ, BRILLIANT, JANKOWSKY, ROTCHILD, BAER
Locations northern Lithuania and Latvia

Shalom to all
Do you recognize anyone on this photo ?
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2162

Please, response me privetly
Regards,
David Sandler
yelena_se@bezeqint.net

Hi

I am researching the COBE family in UK and US and the FRANKS family in the
UK.

In the UK the Cobe family was based in Manchester - my great-grandfather
Louis Cobe started a cap making factory there. Before that he came from
Krotoszyn (Krotochin) in Prussia (now in Poland). I am also looking for
anyone who knows about the William, Meyer and Mark Henry Cobe families in
Boston, Massachusetts, US as well.

My great-great-great grandfather was Jacob Franks - an optician in
Manchester in the late 18th century. He had 24 children who may have moved
anywhere in the UK or the US. I would be particularly interested if anyone
can link the UK and US Franks families.

If anyone knows any information on these families please let me know.

Dawn Cobe

Not long ago, I asked for help in identifying the region of Zamot. I
received a number of helpful replies, particular thanks to Len Yodaiken. I
have put everything together and present it here for your information.

1 Zamot

Zamot was mainly occupied by the Samogitians, a Lithuanian tribe whose
members remained heathens until the early 15th century. Zamot (Samogitia or Zamogitie) included all of Lithuania west of the Nevezha (Nevez'is) river (flowing south >from Vilkomir Province above Panevezys and ending in the Nieman river). In the early days, the land was mostly marshy. It was
divided into Western Samogitia whose Eastern boundary was the Dubisa river
(rising in the mountains around Bobya in Siauliai Province and ending in the Nieman river near Sardnik) and Eastern Samogitia which included the area between the Dubisa and the Nevezha. Zamot extended north to the border of Kurland in Latvia, south to the Nieman river (rising west of Minsk, flowing west, then due north to Kaunas and then west to Koenigsberg) and into the Baltic Sea.

Samogitia is English for the Lithuanian Zhemaitiya (the H replaces the
little half circle over the Z). Jews shortened the name into Yiddish.
Zhemaitiya became Zhamo or Zamot. In Russian it is Zhmud. Zamot was the
last part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to be settled by Jews. In the
18th century Jews moved there in large numbers, in part because they had been driven out of the large towns of Grodno, Brest-Litovsk and Vilnius by the local non Jewish populations, especially middle class Germans who were
organized in Guilds closed to the Jews. However, with the backing of the
nobility who wanted to bring down prices, the Jews managed to compete.

Many of the largely Jewish shtetls and towns in Zamot were first settled at
that time The border between Lithuania and Kurland was always a subject of
disputes and disagreements. The Russian Imperial Government repeatedly
changed borders between Kovno province and Kurland province. The border
with the Baltic Sea has also changed repeatedly. The Memel area to the west of the border was part of the German province of East Prussia which became part of the German Empire in 1871. Lithuania became independent following WW I.

In 1923, a strip of land along the Baltic, sometimes known as the
Memel Territory, was added to Lithuania. This strip, including the city of Memel, ran south to the Nemunas River (known in German as the Russ River
and Memel River, and in Russian as the Niemen). Memel was renamed
Klaipeda. Germany seized the strip in 1939 and Klaipeda again became
Memel. The Soviet Union annexed the rest of Lithuania in 1940. Following
World War II, the strip became part of Russia and Memel again became
Klaipeda. The strip became part of Lithuania in 1990 when Lithuania became
independent of Russia.

Stanley H. Judd Los Altos Hills, CA
Searching JUDELOWITZ/YUDELOWITZ, BRILLIANT, JANKOWSKY, ROTCHILD, BAER
Locations northern Lithuania and Latvia

Subject: Name "IRAM"?
From: Leslie Reich
Sent: 20 Feb 2003

Leslie Weinberg enquired recently:-

"Can anyone tell me what country the name IRAM might have
originated? Great-grandmother seems to have been named "Schewa Iram" -
doesn't sound very Polish to me, or Jewish, for that matter..........."

I wonder if he is sure that this is a family name. Could it be the Jewish
place name "Sheva Arim", which, I think, was the popular translation of
Sibenburgen, the German name for the the Hungarian province of Erdely, or
Romanian Transilvania (Dracula territory!) ?

Leslie Reich Manchester UK

I sent a note of 'apology' to USC Sosnowiec for my 'misunderstanding'. I
would not have requested the documents at 35USD each had I known they
were that costly. They were helpful and provided me with
birthdates/document references of three of my great grandmother's
children which I did not have previously. I thought also that perhaps
the documents had been 'certified' which accounted such a price.

Apparently I am not the only one surprised at the cost as they responded:

"Your certificates in Poland cost (5x15 PLN )+5 PLN = 80 PLN ( 20,50
USD for all )."

In response to the message above:

In Poland, at about 10 different USCs (town family-registry office),
I have paid >from 2 cents up to a maximum of 1.50 dollars for documents.
(This is not a rule or a suggestion. It is just my personal experience,
which may or may not be of relevant to the personal experience of other
people.)

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA,
SZEWCZYK, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH
Poland: Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Piotrkow-Zgierz-Lodz
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/talman/
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/

Subject: Name "IRAM"?
From: Leslie Reich
Sent: 20 Feb 2003

Leslie Weinberg enquired recently:-

"Can anyone tell me what country the name IRAM might have
originated? Great-grandmother seems to have been named "Schewa Iram" -
doesn't sound very Polish to me, or Jewish, for that matter..........."

I wonder if he is sure that this is a family name. Could it be the Jewish
place name "Sheva Arim", which, I think, was the popular translation of
Sibenburgen, the German name for the the Hungarian province of Erdely, or
Romanian Transilvania (Dracula territory!) ?

Leslie Reich Manchester UK

I sent a note of 'apology' to USC Sosnowiec for my 'misunderstanding'. I
would not have requested the documents at 35USD each had I known they
were that costly. They were helpful and provided me with
birthdates/document references of three of my great grandmother's
children which I did not have previously. I thought also that perhaps
the documents had been 'certified' which accounted such a price.

Apparently I am not the only one surprised at the cost as they responded:

"Your certificates in Poland cost (5x15 PLN )+5 PLN = 80 PLN ( 20,50
USD for all )."

In response to the message above:

In Poland, at about 10 different USCs (town family-registry office),
I have paid >from 2 cents up to a maximum of 1.50 dollars for documents.
(This is not a rule or a suggestion. It is just my personal experience,
which may or may not be of relevant to the personal experience of other
people.)

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA,
SZEWCZYK, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH
Poland: Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Piotrkow-Zgierz-Lodz
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/talman/
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, and I am researching the surname RIVES.

The first of my ancestors to come to the USA was William RIVES, who came
here to Surry Co., VA around 1653 >from Oxfordshire, England. William's
earliest traceable ancestor so far is Robert Ryves (alternate spellings are
REVE and RYVE), who lived in a place called Blandford Forum in Dorcetshire,
England. He was born around 1491 (place unknown) and died in Dorcetshire on
February 11, 1551.

The RIVES in my line were wealthy and well educated. Several had knighthood
conferred on them, several were members of the clergy (non-Catholic), one
was a speaker for the Irish House of Lords, and one was an alderman in
London. Timothy RYVES, William's father, was a steward at Oxford
University. There is a RIVES almshouse in Blandford Forum that was founded
in the 15th century with RIVES family money, and it was still in operation
in the 1980's.

A book was written about the RIVES called "Reliques of the REEVES" and it
was written by James RIVES Childs around 1928. Childs surmises, among other
things, that the descendants of the RIVES in England came >from France in the
1300's. He does not name the locale.

I am trying to do the impossible - I would like to trace the RIVES in my
family to their place of origin in order to be able to determine if they are
in fact Jewish. At JewishEncylopedia.com I found a listing for a small
community called Beaucroissant located in the canton of RIVES,
arrondissement of St. Marcellin, Isene, France. It was inhabited by Jews in
1337. The source for this information was the "Revue des Etudes Juives" ix
241.

I don't know if my family came >from this community or not. I know that
RIVES is a toponym, and that on many occasions Jews took such names. I
would welcome any and all commentary and suggestions. Thank you.

Jordan Cates
Morehead City, North Carolina, USA

Linda,

I am hoping I can get some advise on writing for documents in Europe.
Judith LEVI died in Goersdorf 2 May 1898 and her husband Nachum WALDHORN
died 19 August 1902 also in Goersdorf.

When I write to Goersfdorf for copies of their death certificates, do I
write in French (mine is dreadful) or can I write in English.

Rather write in your "dreadful" French: just say "je desire les actes de
deces de...mort le... et de... mort le... Merci.
.

Also, does
anyone know how much money I need to send and in what form (check,
international money order, etc)?

Nothing at all!

I also want to find out if two of their children married or died in
Goersdorf. Is there a list of marriages or deaths for the period after
1862 (when the FHC films stop)?

In the on-line FHC catalog I read that marriages go until 1892 and deaths go
until 1872.

I have been unable to learn what happened to
Leobold WALDHORN (b: Nov. 17,1855) or Elise WALDHORN (b: July 9, 1860).

Search into the annual indexes (no ten-year indexes) for marriages and
deaths, up to 1882. And if a marriage occurred after 1897 it should appear as a marginal note on the birth certificate (acte de naissance).

Should I contact the library about city directories? Does anyone have any
suggestions?

No city directory for a small town.

Concerning another branch of my family. I am looking for information of
Fanny KAHN (b: January 17, 1857) Schirrhoffen. Family lore says she
owned/ran a company (comb & brush or hair net) factory before she came to
the USA in 1910. She is also supposed to have married (or almost married)
someone named Gradwohl. How do I research the years after the FHC records
end.

Subscribe to our Society (CGJ, see below) and we shall help you for that.

Linda
Chelmsford, MassachusettsL

--------------
Basile Ginger, CGJ
(Cercle de Genealogie Juive, International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, and I am researching the surname RIVES.

The first of my ancestors to come to the USA was William RIVES, who came
here to Surry Co., VA around 1653 >from Oxfordshire, England. William's
earliest traceable ancestor so far is Robert Ryves (alternate spellings are
REVE and RYVE), who lived in a place called Blandford Forum in Dorcetshire,
England. He was born around 1491 (place unknown) and died in Dorcetshire on
February 11, 1551.

The RIVES in my line were wealthy and well educated. Several had knighthood
conferred on them, several were members of the clergy (non-Catholic), one
was a speaker for the Irish House of Lords, and one was an alderman in
London. Timothy RYVES, William's father, was a steward at Oxford
University. There is a RIVES almshouse in Blandford Forum that was founded
in the 15th century with RIVES family money, and it was still in operation
in the 1980's.

A book was written about the RIVES called "Reliques of the REEVES" and it
was written by James RIVES Childs around 1928. Childs surmises, among other
things, that the descendants of the RIVES in England came >from France in the
1300's. He does not name the locale.

I am trying to do the impossible - I would like to trace the RIVES in my
family to their place of origin in order to be able to determine if they are
in fact Jewish. At JewishEncylopedia.com I found a listing for a small
community called Beaucroissant located in the canton of RIVES,
arrondissement of St. Marcellin, Isene, France. It was inhabited by Jews in
1337. The source for this information was the "Revue des Etudes Juives" ix
241.

I don't know if my family came >from this community or not. I know that
RIVES is a toponym, and that on many occasions Jews took such names. I
would welcome any and all commentary and suggestions. Thank you.

Jordan Cates
Morehead City, North Carolina, USA

Linda,

I am hoping I can get some advise on writing for documents in Europe.
Judith LEVI died in Goersdorf 2 May 1898 and her husband Nachum WALDHORN
died 19 August 1902 also in Goersdorf.

When I write to Goersfdorf for copies of their death certificates, do I
write in French (mine is dreadful) or can I write in English.

Rather write in your "dreadful" French: just say "je desire les actes de
deces de...mort le... et de... mort le... Merci.
.

Also, does
anyone know how much money I need to send and in what form (check,
international money order, etc)?

Nothing at all!

I also want to find out if two of their children married or died in
Goersdorf. Is there a list of marriages or deaths for the period after
1862 (when the FHC films stop)?

In the on-line FHC catalog I read that marriages go until 1892 and deaths go
until 1872.

I have been unable to learn what happened to
Leobold WALDHORN (b: Nov. 17,1855) or Elise WALDHORN (b: July 9, 1860).

Search into the annual indexes (no ten-year indexes) for marriages and
deaths, up to 1882. And if a marriage occurred after 1897 it should appear as a marginal note on the birth certificate (acte de naissance).

Should I contact the library about city directories? Does anyone have any
suggestions?

No city directory for a small town.

Concerning another branch of my family. I am looking for information of
Fanny KAHN (b: January 17, 1857) Schirrhoffen. Family lore says she
owned/ran a company (comb & brush or hair net) factory before she came to
the USA in 1910. She is also supposed to have married (or almost married)
someone named Gradwohl. How do I research the years after the FHC records
end.

Subscribe to our Society (CGJ, see below) and we shall help you for that.

Linda
Chelmsford, MassachusettsL

--------------
Basile Ginger, CGJ
(Cercle de Genealogie Juive, International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org