Looking for descendants of Ciechanow-born Hyman JOSEPHS and Fanny born
LAURIE who lived in London.

The children were:

1) Betty JOSEPHS (b.1918) married Monty WOOLF
(i) Child WOOLF

2) Sylvia JOSEPHS (b.1920) married Alec WRIGHTMAN
(i) John WRIGHTMAN
(ii)Unknown WRIGHTMAN (male)

3) Nathan (Nat) JOSEPHS (b.1922) married Millie UNKNOWN
(i) Roy JOSEPHS
(ii)David JOSEPHS

4) Golda JOSEPHS (b.1924) married Abraham (Abe) WRIGHTMAN
(i) Unknown WRIGHTMAN (male)

Please contact me privately if you have any information on this family.

Alice JOSEPHS
UK
See my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/

I don't know where this is though it was listed on the manifest
for my grandmother. Any help would be appreciated.

Linda Goldberg
Larchmont, New York
lrgold@optonline.net

Does anyone have Ronald Greene's (Klimontow research) Email
address?

-- Michael Gottlieb

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Whilst doing research on South African Jewish resources in
America, I found some interesting references to materials that
are available at the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center
at the University of Texas, Austin, which relate to several
Irish Jewish writers and provide biographical information and
correspondance as follows for:

Abraham Jacob "Con" Leventhal (1896-1979)
http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/research/fa/leventhal.html

He was among other things, secretary to the Irish writer Samuel
Beckett.

Leslie Daiken (originally Yodaiken) (1912-1964)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/uthrc/00032/00032.html

Poet and authority on children's toys, games and nursery rhymes.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

One of our family surnames is OSTROPOLSKY. Is it likely that
the family was at one time >from Ostropol? To the best of our
knowledge, they came to the US >from Zhitomer.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

Dear all.

Jane Vogel wrote:

David Framowitz sent me this answer:
First cousin - Ben (or Bat) Dod
First cousin once removed - Ben Ben Dod (et al)
Second cousin - Ben Dodan Ha'Em (or Ha'Av)
or - shlishi b'shlishi (which I didn't quite get but I asked him
to clarify).
In short, if anyone has connections with the Hebrew Language
Academy, can they ask them?

Just to make sure: Dodan in Hebrew, is the same as Ben Dod
(cousin!).
A second cousin can also be interpreted as: Dodan (Ben Dod)
M'Darga Shniya (of second degree).

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem.

Looking for descendants of Ciechanow-born Hyman JOSEPHS and Fanny born
LAURIE who lived in London.

The children were:

1) Betty JOSEPHS (b.1918) married Monty WOOLF
(i) Child WOOLF

2) Sylvia JOSEPHS (b.1920) married Alec WRIGHTMAN
(i) John WRIGHTMAN
(ii)Unknown WRIGHTMAN (male)

3) Nathan (Nat) JOSEPHS (b.1922) married Millie UNKNOWN
(i) Roy JOSEPHS
(ii)David JOSEPHS

4) Golda JOSEPHS (b.1924) married Abraham (Abe) WRIGHTMAN
(i) Unknown WRIGHTMAN (male)

Please contact me privately if you have any information on this family.

Alice JOSEPHS
UK
See my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/

I don't know where this is though it was listed on the manifest
for my grandmother. Any help would be appreciated.

Linda Goldberg
Larchmont, New York
lrgold@optonline.net

Does anyone have Ronald Greene's (Klimontow research) Email
address?

-- Michael Gottlieb

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Whilst doing research on South African Jewish resources in
America, I found some interesting references to materials that
are available at the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center
at the University of Texas, Austin, which relate to several
Irish Jewish writers and provide biographical information and
correspondance as follows for:

Abraham Jacob "Con" Leventhal (1896-1979)
http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/research/fa/leventhal.html

He was among other things, secretary to the Irish writer Samuel
Beckett.

Leslie Daiken (originally Yodaiken) (1912-1964)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/uthrc/00032/00032.html

Poet and authority on children's toys, games and nursery rhymes.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

One of our family surnames is OSTROPOLSKY. Is it likely that
the family was at one time >from Ostropol? To the best of our
knowledge, they came to the US >from Zhitomer.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

Dear all.

Jane Vogel wrote:

David Framowitz sent me this answer:
First cousin - Ben (or Bat) Dod
First cousin once removed - Ben Ben Dod (et al)
Second cousin - Ben Dodan Ha'Em (or Ha'Av)
or - shlishi b'shlishi (which I didn't quite get but I asked him
to clarify).
In short, if anyone has connections with the Hebrew Language
Academy, can they ask them?

Just to make sure: Dodan in Hebrew, is the same as Ben Dod
(cousin!).
A second cousin can also be interpreted as: Dodan (Ben Dod)
M'Darga Shniya (of second degree).

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem.

I am trying to find information on my great grandparents- Polly
(Pearl) Fineberg(?) Symons Kushner and Simon Symons Kushner. They
lived in the east end of London >from the 188OS until the early
194Os. My great grandmother, had 13 children and my grandfather
Henry Symons was the oldest of the crew. He was in the royal army
medical corps in war world One and saved 3O men on the battlefield
in France. My great grandfather made slippers for pavlova. Being
my great grandmother was an orphan, I understand it may be hard
to obtain information on her. If anyone has any information on
the above matter I would be very gratefull.

Searching- Kushner- Olitsky- Cashman and Fineberg.

Thank You
Ms Robin Spain
Ardsley,New York

Dear All,

I've picked up the last couple of mails in the string on removed
cousinship etc.

I was taught that those who share a set of grandparents are 1st
cousins, i.e. starting with yourself, you go up 1 generation,
across to your aunt/uncle, & down 1 generation. Those who share
great-grandparents (up 2, across, & down 2) are 2nd cousins. Up 3,
across, & down 3 is 3rd cousins. The removed bit comes in when
there's a generation difference. The children of your 1st cousin
(i.e. up 1, across, & down 2) are your 1st cousins once removed.
This also goes the other way round, working for your parents' 1st
cousins (i.e. up 2, across, & down 1).

I think this follows what Michael Bernet said, but I'm not sure.
My French cousin views every up or down step in the up-across-down
procedure as a degree of "cousin-hood", e.g. 1st cousins would be
2nd degree cousins, 2nd cousins would be 4th degree cousins - my
pidgeon French extended itself quite a bit when I realised I had to
explain a totally different method of determining inter-relationships!

Best of luck to you all in 2003,

Saul Marks
Northern England

In a query several months ago, I asked for information relating
to Herman Blond (b. 1845) and his wife Augusta Blond, (b. 1846),
in Frankfurt, GY. I'd gotten the information on their place of
birth >from the 1900 census. Yesterday, I found them on the 1880
census, and while they may have decided by 1900 that they were
Frankfurters, in 1880, they were still >from Posen, Prussia. (Now
a part of Poland, of course...)

Can anyone suggest some links or sites with info on the Jewish
community of Posen during the mid to late 1800's? Please email me
at lrooff@hotmail.com.

Also researching ROOFF/RUFF >from NY, Chicago and Lithuania/Latvia.

Eliyahu Rooff

In response to a posting regarding a news article about
the public reading of victims' names recently in Germany,
I contacted the writer of the article and the German
archives. I received a reply >from the archives but it
is of course in German which I do not read.

Would some kind soul be willing to translate the message
for the benefit of the group?

I've found that, for general use, the online translator at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ will usually give a pretty
good idea of what's being said, even if the phrasing and
grammar is sometimes a bit awkward. It's also free...

Eliyahu

I am trying to find information on my great grandparents- Polly
(Pearl) Fineberg(?) Symons Kushner and Simon Symons Kushner. They
lived in the east end of London >from the 188OS until the early
194Os. My great grandmother, had 13 children and my grandfather
Henry Symons was the oldest of the crew. He was in the royal army
medical corps in war world One and saved 3O men on the battlefield
in France. My great grandfather made slippers for pavlova. Being
my great grandmother was an orphan, I understand it may be hard
to obtain information on her. If anyone has any information on
the above matter I would be very gratefull.

Searching- Kushner- Olitsky- Cashman and Fineberg.

Thank You
Ms Robin Spain
Ardsley,New York

Dear All,

I've picked up the last couple of mails in the string on removed
cousinship etc.

I was taught that those who share a set of grandparents are 1st
cousins, i.e. starting with yourself, you go up 1 generation,
across to your aunt/uncle, & down 1 generation. Those who share
great-grandparents (up 2, across, & down 2) are 2nd cousins. Up 3,
across, & down 3 is 3rd cousins. The removed bit comes in when
there's a generation difference. The children of your 1st cousin
(i.e. up 1, across, & down 2) are your 1st cousins once removed.
This also goes the other way round, working for your parents' 1st
cousins (i.e. up 2, across, & down 1).

I think this follows what Michael Bernet said, but I'm not sure.
My French cousin views every up or down step in the up-across-down
procedure as a degree of "cousin-hood", e.g. 1st cousins would be
2nd degree cousins, 2nd cousins would be 4th degree cousins - my
pidgeon French extended itself quite a bit when I realised I had to
explain a totally different method of determining inter-relationships!

Best of luck to you all in 2003,

Saul Marks
Northern England

In a query several months ago, I asked for information relating
to Herman Blond (b. 1845) and his wife Augusta Blond, (b. 1846),
in Frankfurt, GY. I'd gotten the information on their place of
birth >from the 1900 census. Yesterday, I found them on the 1880
census, and while they may have decided by 1900 that they were
Frankfurters, in 1880, they were still >from Posen, Prussia. (Now
a part of Poland, of course...)

Can anyone suggest some links or sites with info on the Jewish
community of Posen during the mid to late 1800's? Please email me
at lrooff@hotmail.com.

Also researching ROOFF/RUFF >from NY, Chicago and Lithuania/Latvia.

Eliyahu Rooff

In response to a posting regarding a news article about
the public reading of victims' names recently in Germany,
I contacted the writer of the article and the German
archives. I received a reply >from the archives but it
is of course in German which I do not read.

Would some kind soul be willing to translate the message
for the benefit of the group?

I've found that, for general use, the online translator at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ will usually give a pretty
good idea of what's being said, even if the phrasing and
grammar is sometimes a bit awkward. It's also free...

Eliyahu