Translation please
#germany
Dennis Baer <dennis.baer@...>
Hello
Can someone translate the short letter [in large modern type German] found at: http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/darmstadt_response.jpg Thank you. Dennis Baer City? State? MOD NOTE: Residence information is required for your future postings to this Forum.
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German SIG #Germany Translation please
#germany
Dennis Baer <dennis.baer@...>
Hello
Can someone translate the short letter [in large modern type German] found at: http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/darmstadt_response.jpg Thank you. Dennis Baer City? State? MOD NOTE: Residence information is required for your future postings to this Forum.
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Too Many M's
#general
Albert W. Gershman <gershie@...>
What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses. This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see his brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized name. In 1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe. Sort of reminds me of that Bob Newhart show with the two brothers Daryl. Did we, Jews of Eastern European practice, do this? Searching: BEGUN (Pinsk), SINOWITZ (Pinsk, Worldwide), DAVICO/DEVITKA (Pinsk, Colorado) DUFINE/DUFAIN, (Mezhirich, Israel) GERSHMAN (Mezhirich, Antopol) GOLUBCHICK, LIPOFSKY,(Antopol) VAN DUNK descendants of Greenberg (Paterson, NJ)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Too Many M's
#general
Albert W. Gershman <gershie@...>
What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses. This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see his brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized name. In 1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe. Sort of reminds me of that Bob Newhart show with the two brothers Daryl. Did we, Jews of Eastern European practice, do this? Searching: BEGUN (Pinsk), SINOWITZ (Pinsk, Worldwide), DAVICO/DEVITKA (Pinsk, Colorado) DUFINE/DUFAIN, (Mezhirich, Israel) GERSHMAN (Mezhirich, Antopol) GOLUBCHICK, LIPOFSKY,(Antopol) VAN DUNK descendants of Greenberg (Paterson, NJ)
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Re: LEWIN - Paul & Rosa
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Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
The Thersesienstadt Memorbook shows three Paul Lewins
born 1872, died in Theresienstadt 1944 born 1893, deported to Auschwitz born 1864, deported to Treblinka As far as Rosa Lewin is concerned there were also three Rosa born 1862, died in Thesesienstadt 1942 Rosa born 1873, liberated >from Theresienstadt Rosa born 1862, died in Theresienstadt 1943 As far as the Jews >from Stettin are concerned, they were the first ones who were deported to Poland in February 1940. I understand that they lived in Poland for some time. ERNEST R. STIEFEL, Seattle, Washington
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German SIG #Germany Re: LEWIN - Paul & Rosa
#germany
Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
The Thersesienstadt Memorbook shows three Paul Lewins
born 1872, died in Theresienstadt 1944 born 1893, deported to Auschwitz born 1864, deported to Treblinka As far as Rosa Lewin is concerned there were also three Rosa born 1862, died in Thesesienstadt 1942 Rosa born 1873, liberated >from Theresienstadt Rosa born 1862, died in Theresienstadt 1943 As far as the Jews >from Stettin are concerned, they were the first ones who were deported to Poland in February 1940. I understand that they lived in Poland for some time. ERNEST R. STIEFEL, Seattle, Washington
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WIN(N)IKOFs from Dobrova, Poland
#general
Mel Comisarow <melcom@...>
I have recently discovered that my VINIKVOVSKY relatives who migrated
from the Sokolka, Poland area to Southeastern Ukraine in 1852 and then,before and after WWI to North America, where where they became WINNIKOFFs, WINIKOFFs and WEINKLEs, were originally >from the town of Dombrovy (Russian name)/Dobrova (Polish name, no "m") located at N 53š 38¹ E 23š 21¹, 20 km NNW of Sokolka in Poland. Are there any WINIKOFFs/WINIKOVs/VINIKOVs, etc. out there whose ancestors hail >from Dombrovy/Dobrova Poland? Mel Comisarow melcom@chem.ubc.ca MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your chances of success in your research will be greatly enhanced if you register the name(s) you are searching for in the JewishGen Family Finder. Go to www.jewishgen.org/jgff
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WIN(N)IKOFs from Dobrova, Poland
#general
Mel Comisarow <melcom@...>
I have recently discovered that my VINIKVOVSKY relatives who migrated
from the Sokolka, Poland area to Southeastern Ukraine in 1852 and then,before and after WWI to North America, where where they became WINNIKOFFs, WINIKOFFs and WEINKLEs, were originally >from the town of Dombrovy (Russian name)/Dobrova (Polish name, no "m") located at N 53š 38¹ E 23š 21¹, 20 km NNW of Sokolka in Poland. Are there any WINIKOFFs/WINIKOVs/VINIKOVs, etc. out there whose ancestors hail >from Dombrovy/Dobrova Poland? Mel Comisarow melcom@chem.ubc.ca MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your chances of success in your research will be greatly enhanced if you register the name(s) you are searching for in the JewishGen Family Finder. Go to www.jewishgen.org/jgff
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Re: Red Cross Holocaust Tracing Center
#belarus
LindaCGreenman@...
In a message dated 12/21/2002 8:51:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ebf2001@comcast.net writes: << I'd be curious to learn what other people have experienced in terms of length of time for the search and results. >> Although Evan Fishman requested a private response, as the volunteer in charge of the Holocaust Tracing Program in the Greater New York Red Cross, it might be helpful to other genners if I posted this to the whole group. When anyone in the United States initiates a request \tfor a search for relatives presumed lost in WWII -- there is a strict international protocol that must be followed: 1) You submit your request (form #1609) to your local Red Cross Holocaust tracing office. 2) They review it to ensure that all the mandated information has been filled out and sign off on it. 3) It is sent to the National WWII Tracing Office in Baltimore where the volunteers there will open a file and make a determination, based on what you have written, which European Red Cross office(s) should receive it. A typical example, the person you are searching for was born in Poland, may have moved around in Russia and was then possibly sent to an unknown concentration camp. 4) If Baltimore has a question about any of the information you filled in, i.e., they can find no town in Poland that matches the one you named, they will communicate with your local office who will call or write to you in order to get more accurate information >from you. 5) In the above example, after having the forms translated into Polish, Russian and German -- Baltimore will forward your request to the National Office of the Polish Red Cross in Warsaw, the National Office of the Russian Red Cross in Moscow, and the Arolson Archives of Concentration Camp Documents in Germany. 6) According to the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) mandate, the Polish and Russian Red Cross National Offices will then open their own files before forwarding your request to the local Red Cross office(s) in every place you mentioned that your relative might have lived or even passed through. 7) Local volunteers in all of these offices will then begin the incredible time consuming task of going through 60+ year old HAND WRITTEN sometimes crumbling paper records looking for your relative. (None of this has been computerized). As soon as any bit of information is discovered, it is routed back through the Baltimore office to your local office and then on to you. 9) The bad news is that in approximately 35% of the requests, NO records are ever found. 9) The good news is that Baltimore NEVER closes your case, and if new information is discovered 10 years after you asked for it, it will still be sent to you. In fact, when you think that 65% of the requests for information receive some sort of response, it is truly amazing. As you can see, the process is cumbersome and overwhelming. In addition to all of the genealogists who are looking for their family history, there are literally thousands who are looking for a date to say kaddish for a parent -- and many more who are looking for their self documentation in order to apply for slave labor and property reparations. How long does it take? In the best of cases, a year or two, more often three to five years. I just received records >from Bosnia for someone who had requested a search in 1991, when the war interrupted the search When it was over, the Bosnian Red Cross continued to look and found our inquirer's family records. You are right that It would be totally useless for anyone else to tell you how long their search took -- since each set of facts are individual. It also depends on whether the local European office has a two day/week volunteer or a full time staff of 10! One thing is VERY important. If you move or change your phone number and don't update the information with your local office, you stand a good chance of never receiving any of the information! So, don't give up. Keep in touch. If the records are there, they'll find them. Linda Greenman Researching GREENMAN/RESNICK/RUSHEVSKY/RUSH/SHERETSHEVSKY/ SHERRY >from Antopol, NY and Alabama. RAFALOWSKI/RAFF/FISHBEIN >from Miedzyzrec/Bialystok and NY. PLOCIENKO/CALECKI/HERMAN/KLUGER >from Sniadowo/Radzilow/Zambrow and NY, Paris, Johannesburg. GREENBERG/COHEN >from Rochester, NY. WEISS >from Mexico City.
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Red Cross Holocaust Tracing Center
#belarus
LindaCGreenman@...
In a message dated 12/21/2002 8:51:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ebf2001@comcast.net writes: << I'd be curious to learn what other people have experienced in terms of length of time for the search and results. >> Although Evan Fishman requested a private response, as the volunteer in charge of the Holocaust Tracing Program in the Greater New York Red Cross, it might be helpful to other genners if I posted this to the whole group. When anyone in the United States initiates a request \tfor a search for relatives presumed lost in WWII -- there is a strict international protocol that must be followed: 1) You submit your request (form #1609) to your local Red Cross Holocaust tracing office. 2) They review it to ensure that all the mandated information has been filled out and sign off on it. 3) It is sent to the National WWII Tracing Office in Baltimore where the volunteers there will open a file and make a determination, based on what you have written, which European Red Cross office(s) should receive it. A typical example, the person you are searching for was born in Poland, may have moved around in Russia and was then possibly sent to an unknown concentration camp. 4) If Baltimore has a question about any of the information you filled in, i.e., they can find no town in Poland that matches the one you named, they will communicate with your local office who will call or write to you in order to get more accurate information >from you. 5) In the above example, after having the forms translated into Polish, Russian and German -- Baltimore will forward your request to the National Office of the Polish Red Cross in Warsaw, the National Office of the Russian Red Cross in Moscow, and the Arolson Archives of Concentration Camp Documents in Germany. 6) According to the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) mandate, the Polish and Russian Red Cross National Offices will then open their own files before forwarding your request to the local Red Cross office(s) in every place you mentioned that your relative might have lived or even passed through. 7) Local volunteers in all of these offices will then begin the incredible time consuming task of going through 60+ year old HAND WRITTEN sometimes crumbling paper records looking for your relative. (None of this has been computerized). As soon as any bit of information is discovered, it is routed back through the Baltimore office to your local office and then on to you. 9) The bad news is that in approximately 35% of the requests, NO records are ever found. 9) The good news is that Baltimore NEVER closes your case, and if new information is discovered 10 years after you asked for it, it will still be sent to you. In fact, when you think that 65% of the requests for information receive some sort of response, it is truly amazing. As you can see, the process is cumbersome and overwhelming. In addition to all of the genealogists who are looking for their family history, there are literally thousands who are looking for a date to say kaddish for a parent -- and many more who are looking for their self documentation in order to apply for slave labor and property reparations. How long does it take? In the best of cases, a year or two, more often three to five years. I just received records >from Bosnia for someone who had requested a search in 1991, when the war interrupted the search When it was over, the Bosnian Red Cross continued to look and found our inquirer's family records. You are right that It would be totally useless for anyone else to tell you how long their search took -- since each set of facts are individual. It also depends on whether the local European office has a two day/week volunteer or a full time staff of 10! One thing is VERY important. If you move or change your phone number and don't update the information with your local office, you stand a good chance of never receiving any of the information! So, don't give up. Keep in touch. If the records are there, they'll find them. Linda Greenman Researching GREENMAN/RESNICK/RUSHEVSKY/RUSH/SHERETSHEVSKY/ SHERRY >from Antopol, NY and Alabama. RAFALOWSKI/RAFF/FISHBEIN >from Miedzyzrec/Bialystok and NY. PLOCIENKO/CALECKI/HERMAN/KLUGER >from Sniadowo/Radzilow/Zambrow and NY, Paris, Johannesburg. GREENBERG/COHEN >from Rochester, NY. WEISS >from Mexico City.
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BOOK CITE: History of Jews in Germany (The Pity of it All - Elon)
#germany
MBernet@...
The Pity of it All: A History of Jews in Germany, 1743-1933 by Amos Elon.
Metropolitan Books. 464 pp. $30 has been widely praised by reviewers. I've put it on my must-buy list Michael Bernet Suburban NYC mbernet@aol.com MODERATOR NOTE: I've been reading it. The reviewers are right (in my opinion).
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Re: BRONSTEIN family. Cumingke?
#romania
Bernie Levy <Bernie-Levy@...>
I wonder why the moderator didn't also mention the Shtetl-Seeker at
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker . In any case using JGFF, nothing turns up spelled Cumingke and nothing resembling it in Romania. However there are lots of variations in the Ukraine, mostly spelled Kamenka or Kamencha. In fact, there is one researcher listed for Bronstein in Kamencha, Ukraine. Shtetl-Seeker turns up many more variations of spellings in many countries including Romania but many more in Ukraine. Note that these two sources try to keep current names of towns and their location within current borders. When in doubt or an initial search turns up nothing, try using a Soundex search and/or try specifying "Any Country" Bernie Levy Stamford, CT Researching: KAUDERER, BURG, ALTMAN - Bukowina area in Ukraine, e.g. Beregomet, Migovo LEVY, POSMONTIER - Biezun (?), Poland ACKERMAN - Kretinga, Lithuania DREBIN/DREBEN - Lithuania; Poltava, Ukraine On 12/19/2002 7:43 PM Winton Pitcoff wrote [snip]
Before he passed away, my grandfather, William BRONSTEIN, told me that
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German SIG #Germany BOOK CITE: History of Jews in Germany (The Pity of it All - Elon)
#germany
MBernet@...
The Pity of it All: A History of Jews in Germany, 1743-1933 by Amos Elon.
Metropolitan Books. 464 pp. $30 has been widely praised by reviewers. I've put it on my must-buy list Michael Bernet Suburban NYC mbernet@aol.com MODERATOR NOTE: I've been reading it. The reviewers are right (in my opinion).
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Romania SIG #Romania Re: BRONSTEIN family. Cumingke?
#romania
Bernie Levy <Bernie-Levy@...>
I wonder why the moderator didn't also mention the Shtetl-Seeker at
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker . In any case using JGFF, nothing turns up spelled Cumingke and nothing resembling it in Romania. However there are lots of variations in the Ukraine, mostly spelled Kamenka or Kamencha. In fact, there is one researcher listed for Bronstein in Kamencha, Ukraine. Shtetl-Seeker turns up many more variations of spellings in many countries including Romania but many more in Ukraine. Note that these two sources try to keep current names of towns and their location within current borders. When in doubt or an initial search turns up nothing, try using a Soundex search and/or try specifying "Any Country" Bernie Levy Stamford, CT Researching: KAUDERER, BURG, ALTMAN - Bukowina area in Ukraine, e.g. Beregomet, Migovo LEVY, POSMONTIER - Biezun (?), Poland ACKERMAN - Kretinga, Lithuania DREBIN/DREBEN - Lithuania; Poltava, Ukraine On 12/19/2002 7:43 PM Winton Pitcoff wrote [snip]
Before he passed away, my grandfather, William BRONSTEIN, told me that
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Disraeli on his Jewish ancestry, in Parliament
#general
MBernet@...
For an article I'm writing on Jewish genealogy, I seek the correct text
for a statement made by Benjamin Disraeli in the House of Commons. Here is the rough paraphrase: "While the ancestors of right honorable gentleman for Upper Ordure were walking around dressed in pelts and woad, my ancestors were signing psalms to the Lord in the temple of King Solomon." Does anyone have the correct text? Thanks Michael Bernet New York mBernet@aol.com.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Disraeli on his Jewish ancestry, in Parliament
#general
MBernet@...
For an article I'm writing on Jewish genealogy, I seek the correct text
for a statement made by Benjamin Disraeli in the House of Commons. Here is the rough paraphrase: "While the ancestors of right honorable gentleman for Upper Ordure were walking around dressed in pelts and woad, my ancestors were signing psalms to the Lord in the temple of King Solomon." Does anyone have the correct text? Thanks Michael Bernet New York mBernet@aol.com.
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Re: Red Cross Holocaust Tracing Center
#belarus
LindaCGreenman@...
ebf2001@comcast.net writes:
<< I'd be curious to learn what other people have experienced in terms of length of time for the search and results. >> Although Evan Fishman requested a private response, as the volunteer in charge of the Holocaust Tracing Program in the Greater New York Red Cross, it might be helpful to other genners if I posted this to the whole group. When anyone in the United States initiates a request \tfor a search for relatives presumed lost in WWII -- there is a strict international protocol that must be followed: 1) You submit your request (form #1609) to your local Red Cross Holocaust tracing office. 2) They review it to ensure that all the mandated information has been filled out and sign off on it. 3) It is sent to the National WWII Tracing Office in Baltimore where the volunteers there will open a file and make a determination, based on what you have written, which European Red Cross office(s) should receive it. A typical example, the person you are searching for was born in Poland, may have moved around in Russia and was then possibly sent to an unknown concentration camp. 4) If Baltimore has a question about any of the information you filled in, i.e., they can find no town in Poland that matches the one you named, they will communicate with your local office who will call or write to you in order to get more accurate information >from you. 5) In the above example, after having the forms translated into Polish, Russian and German -- Baltimore will forward your request to the National Office of the Polish Red Cross in Warsaw, the National Office of the Russian Red Cross in Moscow, and the Arolson Archives of Concentration Camp Documents in Germany. 6) According to the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) mandate, the Polish and Russian Red Cross National Offices will then open their own files before forwarding your request to the local Red Cross office(s) in every place you mentioned that your relative might have lived or even passed through. 7) Local volunteers in all of these offices will then begin the incredible time consuming task of going through 60+ year old *hand written* sometimes crumbling paper records looking for your relative. (None of this has been computerized). As soon as any bit of information is discovered, it is routed back through the Baltimore office to your local office and then on to you. 9) The bad news is that in approximately 35% of the requests, No records are ever found. 9) The good news is that Baltimore *never* closes your case, and if new information is discovered 10 years after you asked for it, it will still be sent to you. In fact, when you think that 65% of the requests for information receive some sort of response, it is truly amazing. As you can see, the process is cumbersome and overwhelming. In addition to all of the genealogists who are looking for their family history, there are literally thousands who are looking for a date to say kaddish for a parent -- and many more who are looking for their self documentation in order to apply for slave labor and property reparations. How long does it take? In the best of cases, a year or two, more often three to five years. I just received records >from Bosnia for someone who had requested a search in 1991, when the war interrupted the search When it was over, the Bosnian Red Cross continued to look and found our inquirer's family records. You are right that It would be totally useless for anyone else to tell you how long their search took -- since each set of facts are individual. It also depends on whether the local European office has a two day/week volunteer or a full time staff of 10! One thing is *very* important. If you move or change your phone number and don't update the information with your local office, you stand a good chance of never receiving any of the information! So, don't give up. Keep in touch. If the records are there, they'll find them. Linda Greenman Researching GREENMAN/RESNICK/RUSHEVSKY/RUSH/SHERETSHEVSKY/ SHERRY >from Antopol, NY and Alabama. RAFALOWSKI/RAFF/FISHBEIN >from Miedzyzrec/Bialystok and NY. PLOCIENKO/CALECKI/HERMAN/KLUGER >from Sniadowo/Radzilow/Zambrow and NY, Paris, Johannesburg. GREENBERG/COHEN >from Rochester, NY. WEISS >from Mexico City.
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Chaim WEITZMANN
#general
PAZ <PAZ@...>
I'm writing on behalf of a friend who is researching the family of his
mother, Mindla Weitzmann. She was born around 1878, but it is not known where. She immigrated to America sometime before the First World War. Family lore has it that she was related to Dr. Chaim Weitzmann, first president of Israel. He would like to know if anyone out there knows of a family tree for Chaim Weitzmann. Peter Zack Toronto, Canada MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately
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Translation of Hebrew Tombstone Inscription
#general
Jerry Schneider <jschneider@...>
I need help >from anyone in the 'genner community to translate the Hebrew
inscription on my great grandfather's gravesite in Beth El in NJ. His name was Abraham Harrison. A photo of the inscription is on ViewMate, VM2015, at the following url. http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2015 Thank you. Please respond privately. - jerry
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Red Cross Holocaust Tracing Center
#general
LindaCGreenman@...
ebf2001@comcast.net writes:
<< I'd be curious to learn what other people have experienced in terms of length of time for the search and results. >> Although Evan Fishman requested a private response, as the volunteer in charge of the Holocaust Tracing Program in the Greater New York Red Cross, it might be helpful to other genners if I posted this to the whole group. When anyone in the United States initiates a request \tfor a search for relatives presumed lost in WWII -- there is a strict international protocol that must be followed: 1) You submit your request (form #1609) to your local Red Cross Holocaust tracing office. 2) They review it to ensure that all the mandated information has been filled out and sign off on it. 3) It is sent to the National WWII Tracing Office in Baltimore where the volunteers there will open a file and make a determination, based on what you have written, which European Red Cross office(s) should receive it. A typical example, the person you are searching for was born in Poland, may have moved around in Russia and was then possibly sent to an unknown concentration camp. 4) If Baltimore has a question about any of the information you filled in, i.e., they can find no town in Poland that matches the one you named, they will communicate with your local office who will call or write to you in order to get more accurate information >from you. 5) In the above example, after having the forms translated into Polish, Russian and German -- Baltimore will forward your request to the National Office of the Polish Red Cross in Warsaw, the National Office of the Russian Red Cross in Moscow, and the Arolson Archives of Concentration Camp Documents in Germany. 6) According to the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) mandate, the Polish and Russian Red Cross National Offices will then open their own files before forwarding your request to the local Red Cross office(s) in every place you mentioned that your relative might have lived or even passed through. 7) Local volunteers in all of these offices will then begin the incredible time consuming task of going through 60+ year old *hand written* sometimes crumbling paper records looking for your relative. (None of this has been computerized). As soon as any bit of information is discovered, it is routed back through the Baltimore office to your local office and then on to you. 9) The bad news is that in approximately 35% of the requests, No records are ever found. 9) The good news is that Baltimore *never* closes your case, and if new information is discovered 10 years after you asked for it, it will still be sent to you. In fact, when you think that 65% of the requests for information receive some sort of response, it is truly amazing. As you can see, the process is cumbersome and overwhelming. In addition to all of the genealogists who are looking for their family history, there are literally thousands who are looking for a date to say kaddish for a parent -- and many more who are looking for their self documentation in order to apply for slave labor and property reparations. How long does it take? In the best of cases, a year or two, more often three to five years. I just received records >from Bosnia for someone who had requested a search in 1991, when the war interrupted the search When it was over, the Bosnian Red Cross continued to look and found our inquirer's family records. You are right that It would be totally useless for anyone else to tell you how long their search took -- since each set of facts are individual. It also depends on whether the local European office has a two day/week volunteer or a full time staff of 10! One thing is *very* important. If you move or change your phone number and don't update the information with your local office, you stand a good chance of never receiving any of the information! So, don't give up. Keep in touch. If the records are there, they'll find them. Linda Greenman Researching GREENMAN/RESNICK/RUSHEVSKY/RUSH/SHERETSHEVSKY/ SHERRY >from Antopol, NY and Alabama. RAFALOWSKI/RAFF/FISHBEIN >from Miedzyzrec/Bialystok and NY. PLOCIENKO/CALECKI/HERMAN/KLUGER >from Sniadowo/Radzilow/Zambrow and NY, Paris, Johannesburg. GREENBERG/COHEN >from Rochester, NY. WEISS >from Mexico City.
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