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Re: How long apart would civil and religious marriages be? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/8/2002 9:23:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
timl@... asks about the conflicting dates of Jewish weddin
and of granting a marriage license:

from the Jewish Chronicle he learns:
On 2nd September at East London Synagogue, Samuel Lyons, youngest son of
Louis Lyons of Birmingham to Leah, second youngest daughter of John Nathan
and the late Sarah Nathan of 125 London Rd., SE.*
==That was a convenient date to get married, Sunday, Rosh Chodesh Elul,
three weeks after the end of the 3-week mourning period when Jewish
marriages are forbidden, four weeks before Rosh Hashana and three weks of
Jewish holidays.

. . . the marriage certificate, . . .shows 7th May 1894, Samuel Lyons,
father Louis Lyons and Leah Nathan father John Nathan, married in the
Register Office Fulham, London. (The address given for both groom and
bride is 59 Milson Road Hammersmith, so this is presumably their marital
home).

==I doubt it. For one thing, Hammersmith is quite a ways >from Fulham. For
another, it would have been *most* unlikely that a couple planning to have
a Jewish wedding, would be living together and would "publicize" this by
giving it as their official residence. I'd guess that the groom has
friends or relatives in Hammersmith with whom he's staying.
==Was this actually a marriage certificate (after the wedding) or a
marriage license (permission to wed)? Was it an actual marriage solemnized
in the registry office or was it an application for a license? May 7th was
the 16th day of the Omer, when Jewish marriages are forbidden. The first
Sunday on which they could have been married in the synagogue would have
been June 17.
. . . . would it have been normal, or even occasional that a religious
ceremony should take place so long after the civil one?
==Here's one scenario. The groom lives with his parents in Birmingham,
the bride with hers in London. He's in London for a few days. The bride
can take a few hours off her job to go to the registry office. They make
decisions about the wedding and pick an auspicious September date. Now's
the opportunity for them to get a license, so the groom won't have to make
another trip before the actual wedding.

. . .would you read the Jewish Chronicle to say that it was Samuel that
lived in Birmingham, because there is a little evidence that Louis was
born in Newmarket.
==It looks like his father lived there. He may have lived there, too, or
he may be living in Hammersmith

By the birth of their first child, they were apparently living at 126
London Road, so right next door (I have seen the houses) to father and mother in law!
==The bride's father. Her mother was dead. Are you sure nos 125 and 126
arent' facing each other across the street (not that it matters).

Engagements of a year or longer weren't uncommon at that time. I imagine a
marriage license would have been valid for a year. Altogether, I have no
problem with assuming these were the same people.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How long apart would civil and religious marriages be? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/8/2002 9:23:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
timl@... asks about the conflicting dates of Jewish weddin
and of granting a marriage license:

from the Jewish Chronicle he learns:
On 2nd September at East London Synagogue, Samuel Lyons, youngest son of
Louis Lyons of Birmingham to Leah, second youngest daughter of John Nathan
and the late Sarah Nathan of 125 London Rd., SE.*
==That was a convenient date to get married, Sunday, Rosh Chodesh Elul,
three weeks after the end of the 3-week mourning period when Jewish
marriages are forbidden, four weeks before Rosh Hashana and three weks of
Jewish holidays.

. . . the marriage certificate, . . .shows 7th May 1894, Samuel Lyons,
father Louis Lyons and Leah Nathan father John Nathan, married in the
Register Office Fulham, London. (The address given for both groom and
bride is 59 Milson Road Hammersmith, so this is presumably their marital
home).

==I doubt it. For one thing, Hammersmith is quite a ways >from Fulham. For
another, it would have been *most* unlikely that a couple planning to have
a Jewish wedding, would be living together and would "publicize" this by
giving it as their official residence. I'd guess that the groom has
friends or relatives in Hammersmith with whom he's staying.
==Was this actually a marriage certificate (after the wedding) or a
marriage license (permission to wed)? Was it an actual marriage solemnized
in the registry office or was it an application for a license? May 7th was
the 16th day of the Omer, when Jewish marriages are forbidden. The first
Sunday on which they could have been married in the synagogue would have
been June 17.
. . . . would it have been normal, or even occasional that a religious
ceremony should take place so long after the civil one?
==Here's one scenario. The groom lives with his parents in Birmingham,
the bride with hers in London. He's in London for a few days. The bride
can take a few hours off her job to go to the registry office. They make
decisions about the wedding and pick an auspicious September date. Now's
the opportunity for them to get a license, so the groom won't have to make
another trip before the actual wedding.

. . .would you read the Jewish Chronicle to say that it was Samuel that
lived in Birmingham, because there is a little evidence that Louis was
born in Newmarket.
==It looks like his father lived there. He may have lived there, too, or
he may be living in Hammersmith

By the birth of their first child, they were apparently living at 126
London Road, so right next door (I have seen the houses) to father and mother in law!
==The bride's father. Her mother was dead. Are you sure nos 125 and 126
arent' facing each other across the street (not that it matters).

Engagements of a year or longer weren't uncommon at that time. I imagine a
marriage license would have been valid for a year. Altogether, I have no
problem with assuming these were the same people.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Reb Eliezer ben Meir Halevy of Pinsk #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

In answer to my posting researching my ancestress who may have been
a descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin and Reb Eliezer of Ruzhanai,
Leon Koll (Israel) told me of a Reb. Eliezer ben Meir Halevy who was
"the"(?) Rav of Pinsk at the end of the 18th cent.

Does anyone know his family tree?

Thanks

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Reb Eliezer ben Meir Halevy of Pinsk #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

In answer to my posting researching my ancestress who may have been
a descendant of Reb Chaim of Volozhin and Reb Eliezer of Ruzhanai,
Leon Koll (Israel) told me of a Reb. Eliezer ben Meir Halevy who was
"the"(?) Rav of Pinsk at the end of the 18th cent.

Does anyone know his family tree?

Thanks

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat


Re: Palestine records #general

éåðúï áï àøé <yonatan@...>
 

Dear Stephan

I checked with the government archives in jerusalem. The answer I
received was that name changes were not transfered to the new Israeli
govt/ but were either taken back to England or, unfortunately detsroyed.

They suggest you contact the archives of the british govt.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem



My surname was changed >from HIRSCH to ESRATI when I became a Palestinian
citizen and a British subject in 1935. How can I find records of that
naturalization and name change?

Stephen G. ESRATI
mailto:steve@...


Re: How long apart would civil and religious marriages be? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

A question was asked about UK religious and civil marriages:

"So... would it have been normal, or even occasional that a religious
ceremony should take place so long after the civil one?"


Of course they could have snuck off to the registry office and got married
without the families knowing-then told the families when they got their
nerves up and had a religious marriage. I don't know if that was done in
the UK, but that would be the easy explanation here in the US.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Palestine records #general

éåðúï áï àøé <yonatan@...>
 

Dear Stephan

I checked with the government archives in jerusalem. The answer I
received was that name changes were not transfered to the new Israeli
govt/ but were either taken back to England or, unfortunately detsroyed.

They suggest you contact the archives of the british govt.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem



My surname was changed >from HIRSCH to ESRATI when I became a Palestinian
citizen and a British subject in 1935. How can I find records of that
naturalization and name change?

Stephen G. ESRATI
mailto:steve@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How long apart would civil and religious marriages be? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

A question was asked about UK religious and civil marriages:

"So... would it have been normal, or even occasional that a religious
ceremony should take place so long after the civil one?"


Of course they could have snuck off to the registry office and got married
without the families knowing-then told the families when they got their
nerves up and had a religious marriage. I don't know if that was done in
the UK, but that would be the easy explanation here in the US.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Forename Yacha #general

Harold Pollins <snillop@...>
 

My paternal grandmother was known as Golda. She thus appears in such
documents as I have seen. But on her death certificate she is shown as
Yacha Golda. I haven't come across Yacha before. Is it unusual?

Harold Pollins
Oxford


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Forename Yacha #general

Harold Pollins <snillop@...>
 

My paternal grandmother was known as Golda. She thus appears in such
documents as I have seen. But on her death certificate she is shown as
Yacha Golda. I haven't come across Yacha before. Is it unusual?

Harold Pollins
Oxford


Clarity in your request pays off in good responses #general

MBernet@...
 

It always pays to be as specific as possible when you want help >from
fellow genners.

One recent posting here (I've changed the names and locations to avoid
embarrassing a likely newbie)

<< Subject: GOLDSCHMIDT

Looking for Esther GOLDSCHMIDT formerly >from Veteran Highway in
Springfield and more recently >from Lincoln. At one time lived in Lincoln
with the Steinbergs. >>

==How many Springfields are there in the USA? How many Lincolns? How many
Goldschmidts? How many Steinbergs?

==Would you call your friends in Springfield or in Lincoln to ask if they
knew these people?

==What would have helped is knowing

How old, approx., is this Esther? In which states are these Springfield
and Lincoln? When did Esther live with the Steinbergs? Other information
might have helped even further: Esther's profession, names of family
members, marital status. You don't have to write a whole megillah, just
enough to narrow the search and make it more likely that you get the right
answer--and less likely that others waste their time trying to figure out
how to help.

And don't forget, the prper subject line will vastly improve your chance
of response. "Goldschmidt" as a subject line means little. "Esther
Goldschmidt, formerly Springfield ND & Lincoln AZ" would have stood a much
better chance of alerting someone's attention to your quest.

Perhaps the actual posting actually did get a response? Congratulations . . .
but don't stretch your luck

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


DOBGINSKI - shtetl or surname? #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

The 1881 UK census lists my ancestor Henry SAMUEL/SAMUELS as being >from a
place called Dobginski, in Poland. The ShtetlSeeker can't find anything
remotely close to this & one helpful gentleman said he's heard of it as a
surname. Henry was listed in one Leeds street directory as Henry Samuel &
another as Samuel Henry. Does this confusion of names indicate he was
formerly Herr Dobginski of NE Germany/NW Poland? His wife came >from near
Szczecin, so I assume any town of Dobginski wouldn't be too far away >from
there.

Any clues, anyone?

Best wishes to you all,

Saul Marks
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Clarity in your request pays off in good responses #general

MBernet@...
 

It always pays to be as specific as possible when you want help >from
fellow genners.

One recent posting here (I've changed the names and locations to avoid
embarrassing a likely newbie)

<< Subject: GOLDSCHMIDT

Looking for Esther GOLDSCHMIDT formerly >from Veteran Highway in
Springfield and more recently >from Lincoln. At one time lived in Lincoln
with the Steinbergs. >>

==How many Springfields are there in the USA? How many Lincolns? How many
Goldschmidts? How many Steinbergs?

==Would you call your friends in Springfield or in Lincoln to ask if they
knew these people?

==What would have helped is knowing

How old, approx., is this Esther? In which states are these Springfield
and Lincoln? When did Esther live with the Steinbergs? Other information
might have helped even further: Esther's profession, names of family
members, marital status. You don't have to write a whole megillah, just
enough to narrow the search and make it more likely that you get the right
answer--and less likely that others waste their time trying to figure out
how to help.

And don't forget, the prper subject line will vastly improve your chance
of response. "Goldschmidt" as a subject line means little. "Esther
Goldschmidt, formerly Springfield ND & Lincoln AZ" would have stood a much
better chance of alerting someone's attention to your quest.

Perhaps the actual posting actually did get a response? Congratulations . . .
but don't stretch your luck

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DOBGINSKI - shtetl or surname? #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

The 1881 UK census lists my ancestor Henry SAMUEL/SAMUELS as being >from a
place called Dobginski, in Poland. The ShtetlSeeker can't find anything
remotely close to this & one helpful gentleman said he's heard of it as a
surname. Henry was listed in one Leeds street directory as Henry Samuel &
another as Samuel Henry. Does this confusion of names indicate he was
formerly Herr Dobginski of NE Germany/NW Poland? His wife came >from near
Szczecin, so I assume any town of Dobginski wouldn't be too far away >from
there.

Any clues, anyone?

Best wishes to you all,

Saul Marks
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE England


JGSLA meeting October 21, 2002 Speaker- Arthur Kurzweil #latinamerica

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the Skirball
Cultural Center are pleased to announce a jointly sponsored program on
October 21, 2002 "Jewish Genealogy as a Tool for Rebuilding of the Jewish
People". The speaker is Arthur Kurzweil, renowned author of >from Generation
to Generation: How to Trace Your Jewish Genealogy and Family History. Mr.
Kurzweil has spoken before hundreds of Jewish groups over the past two
decades. His name has become synonymous with Jewish Genealogy.

Mr. Kurzweil will explore the field of Jewish genealogical research and
discuss its importance as a tool for Jews today. Jewish genealogical
research is far more than just a fascinating pastime! >from the very
beginning of the Jewish people, genealogy has been an important tool for
education, continuity and rebuilding. In our generation, living in the
shadow of the Holocaust, Jewish genealogy has become a powerful and
important activity within the Jewish community. Both beginners and
experienced researchers will gain a wealth of information and insight from
this program.

Our traveling library (not a lending library) will be available for use 30
minutes before the meeting.

Date and Place:The meeting is Monday, October 21, 2002 7:30 p.m. at the
Skirball Cultural Center, Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA .

Directions: Exit the San Diego Freeway (405) at Skirball Center Drive.
Right onto Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into the Skirball parking lot
opposite the Center entrance ; or after turning right on Sepulveda Blvd
turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center to the underground parking
lot.

There is no fee and parking is free as well. Non-members are welcome.

For more information on the JGSLA and our future meeting dates and speakers
visit our website: www.jgsla,org .

Jan Meisels Allen
JGSLA Vice President Programs


Latin America #LatinAmerica JGSLA meeting October 21, 2002 Speaker- Arthur Kurzweil #latinamerica

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the Skirball
Cultural Center are pleased to announce a jointly sponsored program on
October 21, 2002 "Jewish Genealogy as a Tool for Rebuilding of the Jewish
People". The speaker is Arthur Kurzweil, renowned author of >from Generation
to Generation: How to Trace Your Jewish Genealogy and Family History. Mr.
Kurzweil has spoken before hundreds of Jewish groups over the past two
decades. His name has become synonymous with Jewish Genealogy.

Mr. Kurzweil will explore the field of Jewish genealogical research and
discuss its importance as a tool for Jews today. Jewish genealogical
research is far more than just a fascinating pastime! >from the very
beginning of the Jewish people, genealogy has been an important tool for
education, continuity and rebuilding. In our generation, living in the
shadow of the Holocaust, Jewish genealogy has become a powerful and
important activity within the Jewish community. Both beginners and
experienced researchers will gain a wealth of information and insight from
this program.

Our traveling library (not a lending library) will be available for use 30
minutes before the meeting.

Date and Place:The meeting is Monday, October 21, 2002 7:30 p.m. at the
Skirball Cultural Center, Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA .

Directions: Exit the San Diego Freeway (405) at Skirball Center Drive.
Right onto Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into the Skirball parking lot
opposite the Center entrance ; or after turning right on Sepulveda Blvd
turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center to the underground parking
lot.

There is no fee and parking is free as well. Non-members are welcome.

For more information on the JGSLA and our future meeting dates and speakers
visit our website: www.jgsla,org .

Jan Meisels Allen
JGSLA Vice President Programs


Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Meeting October 21, 2002 Speaker- Arthur Kurzweil #yizkorbooks

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the Skirball
Cultural Center are pleased to announce a jointly sponsored program on
October 21, 2002 "Jewish Genealogy as a Tool for Rebuilding of the Jewish
People". The speaker is Arthur Kurzweil, renowned author of >from Generation
to Generation: How to Trace Your Jewish Genealogy and Family History. Mr.
Kurzweil has spoken before hundreds of Jewish groups over the past two
decades. His name has become synonymous with Jewish Genealogy.

Mr. Kurzweil will explore the field of Jewish genealogical research and
discuss its importance as a tool for Jews today. Jewish genealogical
research is far more than just a fascinating pastime! >from the very
beginning of the Jewish people, genealogy has been an important tool for
education, continuity and rebuilding. In our generation, living in the
shadow of the Holocaust, Jewish genealogy has become a powerful and
important activity within the Jewish community. Both beginners and
experienced researchers will gain a wealth of information and insight from
this program.

Our traveling library (not a lending library) will be available for use 30
minutes before the meeting.

Date and Place:The meeting is Monday, October 21, 2002 7:30 p.m. at the
Skirball Cultural Center, Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA .

Directions: Exit the San Diego Freeway (405) at Skirball Center Drive.
Right onto Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into the Skirball parking lot
opposite the Center entrance ; or after turning right on Sepulveda Blvd
turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center to the underground parking
lot.

There is no fee and parking is free as well. Non-members are welcome.

For more information on the JGSLA and our future meeting dates and speakers
visit our website: www.jgsla,org .

Jan Meisels Allen
JGSLA Vice President Programs


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Meeting October 21, 2002 Speaker- Arthur Kurzweil #yizkorbooks

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the Skirball
Cultural Center are pleased to announce a jointly sponsored program on
October 21, 2002 "Jewish Genealogy as a Tool for Rebuilding of the Jewish
People". The speaker is Arthur Kurzweil, renowned author of >from Generation
to Generation: How to Trace Your Jewish Genealogy and Family History. Mr.
Kurzweil has spoken before hundreds of Jewish groups over the past two
decades. His name has become synonymous with Jewish Genealogy.

Mr. Kurzweil will explore the field of Jewish genealogical research and
discuss its importance as a tool for Jews today. Jewish genealogical
research is far more than just a fascinating pastime! >from the very
beginning of the Jewish people, genealogy has been an important tool for
education, continuity and rebuilding. In our generation, living in the
shadow of the Holocaust, Jewish genealogy has become a powerful and
important activity within the Jewish community. Both beginners and
experienced researchers will gain a wealth of information and insight from
this program.

Our traveling library (not a lending library) will be available for use 30
minutes before the meeting.

Date and Place:The meeting is Monday, October 21, 2002 7:30 p.m. at the
Skirball Cultural Center, Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA .

Directions: Exit the San Diego Freeway (405) at Skirball Center Drive.
Right onto Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into the Skirball parking lot
opposite the Center entrance ; or after turning right on Sepulveda Blvd
turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center to the underground parking
lot.

There is no fee and parking is free as well. Non-members are welcome.

For more information on the JGSLA and our future meeting dates and speakers
visit our website: www.jgsla,org .

Jan Meisels Allen
JGSLA Vice President Programs


Re: Leczyca/Piatek #lodz #poland

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

On 2002.09.27, Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...> wrote:

[...] at the end of the 18th century (let us say >from 1765 to
1805) [...] Has anyone seen whether in the Leczycza Yizkor Book
(Sefer Lenthshitz) or elsewhere, a list of rabbis of Leczyca for
that period and some explanations about them?
In Pinkas Hakehilot Volume I - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pinkas_poland.html
there is in the article about Leczyca pages 151-156 a chapter about
the famous Rabbis of this community which was considered as one of
the oldest communities of Poland.

Among others, there are mentioned Rabbi Shlomo Efraim (1619-1545)
who was afterwards also the Rabbi of Prague; Rabbi Laib Prager, his
son Rabbi Sender, Rabbi Haim Karo, grandson of R Laib Prager and son
of Rabbi Icchak Zelig Karo who died 1750; after him served his
son-in-law, Rabbi Zeev Orbach who died 1809 aged 113(!). He was
followed by Rabbi Avraham Tiketin (1810-1811), after him Rabbi Haim
Orbach, grandson of Rabbi Zeev who died 1839. He was followed by his
son Rabbi Icchak Itzik Orbach who died in 1846.

Shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Leczyca/Piatek #rabbinic

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

On 2002.09.27, Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...> wrote:

[...] at the end of the 18th century (let us say >from 1765 to
1805) [...] Has anyone seen whether in the Leczycza Yizkor Book
(Sefer Lenthshitz) or elsewhere, a list of rabbis of Leczyca for
that period and some explanations about them?
In Pinkas Hakehilot Volume I - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pinkas_poland.html
there is in the article about Leczyca pages 151-156 a chapter about
the famous Rabbis of this community which was considered as one of
the oldest communities of Poland.

Among others, there are mentioned Rabbi Shlomo Efraim (1619-1545)
who was afterwards also the Rabbi of Prague; Rabbi Laib Prager, his
son Rabbi Sender, Rabbi Haim Karo, grandson of R Laib Prager and son
of Rabbi Icchak Zelig Karo who died 1750; after him served his
son-in-law, Rabbi Zeev Orbach who died 1809 aged 113(!). He was
followed by Rabbi Avraham Tiketin (1810-1811), after him Rabbi Haim
Orbach, grandson of Rabbi Zeev who died 1839. He was followed by his
son Rabbi Icchak Itzik Orbach who died in 1846.

Shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org