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Re: Why the Name Change? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

You can't always trust what is written. On the Ellis Island database,
in trying to read the handwritten names, there are often huge mistakes.
My grandmother Adele, is listed as Schel , and her brother Jene as Fenc.
If you look at the original manifest, you can see the actual names,
since you know what they are, but you can understand how someone
unfamiliar with the names or the handwriting would see it otherwise.
In addition, my grandmother's accent was so heavy, that when my mother
was born here in the U.S. and gave the hospital the name Elise verbally,
it was written down as Elsie. She always called herself Alice!

Genealogy Web Site Hosting #general

Steven Elliot <selliot@...>
 

Hi, I am building our Family Tree (which goes back 6 generations to
early 1800s in Yaneva, Poland) -- names: Lev and Turnansky. My
geographically dispersed family would *love* to see (and contribute to)
the development of the Tree on the web.

Does anyone know of a web site which will host Family Trees for open
*or* secure access over the Internet? (Naturally, sponsored (free)
web sites are of particular interest!)

Thank you,
Steven Elliot

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why the Name Change? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

You can't always trust what is written. On the Ellis Island database,
in trying to read the handwritten names, there are often huge mistakes.
My grandmother Adele, is listed as Schel , and her brother Jene as Fenc.
If you look at the original manifest, you can see the actual names,
since you know what they are, but you can understand how someone
unfamiliar with the names or the handwriting would see it otherwise.
In addition, my grandmother's accent was so heavy, that when my mother
was born here in the U.S. and gave the hospital the name Elise verbally,
it was written down as Elsie. She always called herself Alice!

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy Web Site Hosting #general

Steven Elliot <selliot@...>
 

Hi, I am building our Family Tree (which goes back 6 generations to
early 1800s in Yaneva, Poland) -- names: Lev and Turnansky. My
geographically dispersed family would *love* to see (and contribute to)
the development of the Tree on the web.

Does anyone know of a web site which will host Family Trees for open
*or* secure access over the Internet? (Naturally, sponsored (free)
web sites are of particular interest!)

Thank you,
Steven Elliot

MODERATOR NOTE: We encourage you to submit your family tree to the
Family Tree of the Jewish People, hosted by JewishGen. You can find
out more at http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ . Suggestions for other
family tree sites should be sent privately.

Re: Why the name change? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

My grandmother's first name as I knew it was Sheila. Her
daughters (my mom & aunt) told me that her real name was Sophie
but that she changed it when she came to America. On reviewing
her US naturalization records, it clearly shows that her real
name was originally Getel, not Sophie. .... She obviously didn't
like the name Getel and wanted to purge it >from her life. If it
wasn't for government records, she would have succeeded.

Steve Sherman
We only found out recently that my grandfather's name was not Max,
but Markus. We did find that on his naturalization papers the name
was listed Max (Markus). He decided he wanted his name to be more
"American" and would yell at anyone in the family who occasionally
used "Markus"!

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why the name change? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

My grandmother's first name as I knew it was Sheila. Her
daughters (my mom & aunt) told me that her real name was Sophie
but that she changed it when she came to America. On reviewing
her US naturalization records, it clearly shows that her real
name was originally Getel, not Sophie. .... She obviously didn't
like the name Getel and wanted to purge it >from her life. If it
wasn't for government records, she would have succeeded.

Steve Sherman
We only found out recently that my grandfather's name was not Max,
but Markus. We did find that on his naturalization papers the name
was listed Max (Markus). He decided he wanted his name to be more
"American" and would yell at anyone in the family who occasionally
used "Markus"!

EIDB success - Thanks to Dr. Stephen Morse #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

It is wonderful that so many of us are now able to find our
ancestors on the EIDB due to the wonderful One Step Search
program created and provided by Dr. Stephen Morse.

His Search program has not only enabled us to very easily find
previously "unfindable" records, he has also created a program
to locate the ship manifest images that are supposedly not there.

While Dr. Morse has provided these search aids to the entire world
for free, perhaps all of us could express our thanks to him by
making a contribution to JewishGen in his honor, as well as in
honor of *all* of the volunteers who make JewishGen the valuable
resource that it is.

You can visit the search programs at:

Ellis Island One Step Search:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/

Ellis Island - Missing Manifest Search:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/mm.htm

1930 US Federal Census:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, Michigan

MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, BELARUS) WAGNER
(AUSTRIA; Ft. Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom;
POLAND) POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk - BELARUS) TURUFF--TUREFF
(RUSSIA; NEW YORK) BROCK (NEW YORK)

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Thank You -- JGS of Toronto #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

The 2002 22nd IAJGS Conference held in Toronto this past week was
a wonderful success. Thanks to Gert Rogers and Garry Stein, the
entire membership of the JGS of Toronto, and all of the volunteers,
for putting on a truly world-class event.

Thanks also to all of the speakers -- their knowledge and experience
which was shared with all of us is invaluable. And thanks also to
the almost 800 people who attended for their support of this annual
conference.

** Next year in Washington, DC **

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, MI
MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, BELARUS) WAGNER
(AUSTRIA; Ft. Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom;
POLAND) POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk - BELARUS) TURUFF--TUREFF
(RUSSIA; NEW YORK) BROCK (NEW YORK)

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB success - Thanks to Dr. Stephen Morse #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

It is wonderful that so many of us are now able to find our
ancestors on the EIDB due to the wonderful One Step Search
program created and provided by Dr. Stephen Morse.

His Search program has not only enabled us to very easily find
previously "unfindable" records, he has also created a program
to locate the ship manifest images that are supposedly not there.

While Dr. Morse has provided these search aids to the entire world
for free, perhaps all of us could express our thanks to him by
making a contribution to JewishGen in his honor, as well as in
honor of *all* of the volunteers who make JewishGen the valuable
resource that it is.

You can visit the search programs at:

Ellis Island One Step Search:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/

Ellis Island - Missing Manifest Search:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/mm.htm

1930 US Federal Census:
http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, Michigan

MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, BELARUS) WAGNER
(AUSTRIA; Ft. Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom;
POLAND) POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk - BELARUS) TURUFF--TUREFF
(RUSSIA; NEW YORK) BROCK (NEW YORK)

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someone who has helped you in your research. You can find out more
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank You -- JGS of Toronto #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

The 2002 22nd IAJGS Conference held in Toronto this past week was
a wonderful success. Thanks to Gert Rogers and Garry Stein, the
entire membership of the JGS of Toronto, and all of the volunteers,
for putting on a truly world-class event.

Thanks also to all of the speakers -- their knowledge and experience
which was shared with all of us is invaluable. And thanks also to
the almost 800 people who attended for their support of this annual
conference.

** Next year in Washington, DC **

Marc D. Manson
Farmington Hills, MI
MAN'SKIJ>MANSKY>MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim, BELARUS) WAGNER
(AUSTRIA; Ft. Wayne, IN; Toledo, OH) MAC>MATZ (Skaryszew;Radom;
POLAND) POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk - BELARUS) TURUFF--TUREFF
(RUSSIA; NEW YORK) BROCK (NEW YORK)

Intro Info #unitedkingdom

Jerry Zeisler <jerry.zeisler@...>
 

Here's my UK family info for the record.

Names:
ADELSON: London - 8 Gosset St., Brick Ln - originally >from Nemajuni &
Butromantz Russia/Lithuania - some family members migrated to
Springfield, Mass. USA

GORDON: London - originally >from Butromantz & Merkine Russia/Lithuania -
some family members migrated to Worcester, Mass USA

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA

-----Original Message-----
From: SHEILA TOFFELL [mailto:toffell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:00 PM
To: JCR-UK RSIG
Subject: [jcr-uk] getting going again


I have been following the thread re what will be happening with this
SIG. may I suggest we start by everyone listing their family names and
specifics on locations (not just "the East End" !)? I'm sure that we
will find much common ground just >from that. Here is my stuff:

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Intro Info #unitedkingdom

Jerry Zeisler <jerry.zeisler@...>
 

Here's my UK family info for the record.

Names:
ADELSON: London - 8 Gosset St., Brick Ln - originally >from Nemajuni &
Butromantz Russia/Lithuania - some family members migrated to
Springfield, Mass. USA

GORDON: London - originally >from Butromantz & Merkine Russia/Lithuania -
some family members migrated to Worcester, Mass USA

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA

-----Original Message-----
From: SHEILA TOFFELL [mailto:toffell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:00 PM
To: JCR-UK RSIG
Subject: [jcr-uk] getting going again


I have been following the thread re what will be happening with this
SIG. may I suggest we start by everyone listing their family names and
specifics on locations (not just "the East End" !)? I'm sure that we
will find much common ground just >from that. Here is my stuff:

Re: 1880 Canada To North Dakota: Hope floats! #general

Paul Silverstone
 

My great-grandfather with his son and daughter arrived in Winnipeg
in 1882 >from Europe. They landed at Quebec, traveled through Montreal
and Toronto. They sailed >from Sarnia to Duluth where there was a
train to Winnipeg. This was before the trans-Canadian RR reached
Winnipeg. They were with a group of 350 Jews who arrived on June 6,
1882. I believe no one checked on crossing the border to or >from
Canada >from Dakota at that time and not until after 1900.

Paul Silverstone, New York
paulh@...

Do you know of where I might find a listing of ships carrying
passengers >from through Canada to a North Dakota port in 1880 or
thereabouts?
You could take a boat up the Red River >from Winnipeg, but how would
you get to Winnipeg? The most likely way for an immigrant to get
to North Dakota through Canada around 1880 might be to take a ship
through the Great Lakes >from southern Ontario to Duluth, and then a
train to North Dakota. Or possibly he originally settled in Western
Canada and later moved to North Dakota.

ISAACS Ancestors in 1901 UK Census #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

Dear Fellow researchers,

Is anyone about to visit GRO's Family Record Centre in Islington,
London or the PRO at Kew? If so, please get in touch. I'm interested
in knowing whether my paternal grandfather Simon WOLF/WOOLF (formerly
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI) appears in the 1901 UK Census.

Simon WOLF/WOOLF emigrated >from (Lodz) Poland to England circa 1895.
In March 1901 (after settling in Birmingham) he married my grandmother,
Annie ISAACS.

At the time of their marriage, Annie lived with her parents, Solomon
and Sarah ISAACS at 47 Thorp Street. Simon lived at 58 Bishop Street.

Marriage was registered in the District and County of Birmingham.

By the time my father Nathan WOOLF was born (in Feb. 1902), Simon and
Annie were living at 88 Charles Henry St. in Aston, sub-district
Deritend, County of Birmingham.

Please respond privately,

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA (formerly >from Birmingham, England)
rnwoolf@...

Researching:
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI, Lodz, Poland; DROZDIAS/DROSDASH/RAUS, Karczew,
Poland; SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland; ISAACS (family
of Solomon and Sarah, Birmingham, England), formerly >from Poland,
town unknown; SHORN/SHORR (family of Morris and Yetta, London,
England), formerly Poland, town unknown

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: 1880 Canada To North Dakota: Hope floats! #general

Paul Silverstone
 

My great-grandfather with his son and daughter arrived in Winnipeg
in 1882 >from Europe. They landed at Quebec, traveled through Montreal
and Toronto. They sailed >from Sarnia to Duluth where there was a
train to Winnipeg. This was before the trans-Canadian RR reached
Winnipeg. They were with a group of 350 Jews who arrived on June 6,
1882. I believe no one checked on crossing the border to or >from
Canada >from Dakota at that time and not until after 1900.

Paul Silverstone, New York
paulh@...

Do you know of where I might find a listing of ships carrying
passengers >from through Canada to a North Dakota port in 1880 or
thereabouts?
You could take a boat up the Red River >from Winnipeg, but how would
you get to Winnipeg? The most likely way for an immigrant to get
to North Dakota through Canada around 1880 might be to take a ship
through the Great Lakes >from southern Ontario to Duluth, and then a
train to North Dakota. Or possibly he originally settled in Western
Canada and later moved to North Dakota.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ISAACS Ancestors in 1901 UK Census #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

Dear Fellow researchers,

Is anyone about to visit GRO's Family Record Centre in Islington,
London or the PRO at Kew? If so, please get in touch. I'm interested
in knowing whether my paternal grandfather Simon WOLF/WOOLF (formerly
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI) appears in the 1901 UK Census.

Simon WOLF/WOOLF emigrated >from (Lodz) Poland to England circa 1895.
In March 1901 (after settling in Birmingham) he married my grandmother,
Annie ISAACS.

At the time of their marriage, Annie lived with her parents, Solomon
and Sarah ISAACS at 47 Thorp Street. Simon lived at 58 Bishop Street.

Marriage was registered in the District and County of Birmingham.

By the time my father Nathan WOOLF was born (in Feb. 1902), Simon and
Annie were living at 88 Charles Henry St. in Aston, sub-district
Deritend, County of Birmingham.

Please respond privately,

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA (formerly >from Birmingham, England)
rnwoolf@...

Researching:
KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI, Lodz, Poland; DROZDIAS/DROSDASH/RAUS, Karczew,
Poland; SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland; ISAACS (family
of Solomon and Sarah, Birmingham, England), formerly >from Poland,
town unknown; SHORN/SHORR (family of Morris and Yetta, London,
England), formerly Poland, town unknown

Trying to reach Researcher #26544 #general

desrx <desrx@...>
 

Cousin Michelle are you still 'active' and if so would you please
email? Your email address keeps bouncing them back.

H. Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA, USA
desrx@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to reach Researcher #26544 #general

desrx <desrx@...>
 

Cousin Michelle are you still 'active' and if so would you please
email? Your email address keeps bouncing them back.

H. Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA, USA
desrx@...

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in the JewishGen Family Finder should also be reported to
LostNFound@...

Re: Americanisation of Hebrew Names #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/11/2002 7:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilsonettes@... writes:

<< I have traced family with the names Moritz, Nechame, Rifka, Yirl,
Sima and Naftali.

Moritz became Morris.
==fittingly. Morris is English for Moritz (who was probnably
Mordechai in Hebrew)

Nechame is a mystery - I have been advised it could have been
changed to Nettie?
==Nechama is a Hebrew name. It does not have a common English
equivalent. There's no telling what name she chose in the USA

Rifka became Beckie.
==Rifvka (H) is Rebecca in English, where it is often shortened to
Becky.

Yirl is a mystery.
==Gender? Nationality? Coud it be a form of Yuri? Yisroel?

Sima - I have been advised it could have been changed to Pearl, Celia
or Sylvia?
==Sima is variant (among both Sfardim and Ashkenazim) for the feminine
Heb. name Simcha ("Joy"); Among Ashkenazim Simcha (but not Sima) is
also a male name. Celia and Sylvia both start with the "sin" sound but
I see no connection with Pearl.

Naftali - is a mystery.
==No mystery at all. One of the sons of Jacob, father of the tribe
Naftali. Naftali's totem is a deer, which gave the Judeo-German Hirsch,
Herz, the french Cerf, and the Hebrew back formation Zvi. Hirsch/Herz
in America often became Henry. I knew someone in the USA named Nathan
whose Hebrew name was Naftali.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>
seeking
WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

Re: What is a farible #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/11/2002 7:48:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
anitwal@... writes:

<< A " farible" is what a person has when you don't invite them to the
wedding, party or event that everyone else is going to. I first heard
it in South Africa when the widow of my father's cousin was not invited
to my sons wedding.(The bride's family did not realize how big a family
the Canadian groom had in South Africa and so had to leave out the widow)
She would not speak to my father even though she had not seen him for
over 50 years. She had a "farible" against him.
I think it is a Yiddish Litvack expression. >>

==I couldn't find the word in Weinreich's Yiddish dictionary. My guess
is that it's related to the German verueblen, to make ugly or unpleasant.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER