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Ellis Island #ukraine

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

I am looking for KSENDOVSKY and SILVERMAN family members arriving at ELlis
Island and cannotfind them. I have tried all the various combinations of
letters and still no luck. BTW, KSENDOVSKY in Mogilven Podulsky became
Sadowsky in Brooklyn, Zilberman (>from Barr?) became Silverman.

Bill Silverman
<bsilverman@...>

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ellis Island #ukraine

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

I am looking for KSENDOVSKY and SILVERMAN family members arriving at ELlis
Island and cannotfind them. I have tried all the various combinations of
letters and still no luck. BTW, KSENDOVSKY in Mogilven Podulsky became
Sadowsky in Brooklyn, Zilberman (>from Barr?) became Silverman.

Bill Silverman
<bsilverman@...>

Re: Kamenets Podolsky #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

Lots of messages were flying yesterday about Kamenets Podolsky. I'd
just like to add some information >from a presentation last week at
the Toronto conference. Alti Rodal spoke about a project to
digitally photograph all the tombstones (56,000!) in the Chernivtsi
Jewish Cemetery. The same group responsible for this work also had
the resources to photograph the cemeteries (all or in part) of
Sadgura, Chotin, and Kamenets Podolsky. Ms. Rodal's presentation
will be published in an upcoming issue of Avotaynu. We have not only
her to thank, but also Dr. George Bolotenko of the Canadian National
Archives, and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Ottawa, Canada.
Researchers are still on site now seeing this project through to
completion.

The outcome of this project will be a free online, searchable database.
--
Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York

RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN, KURTZ - Radauti and
Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Kamenets Podolsky #ukraine

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

Lots of messages were flying yesterday about Kamenets Podolsky. I'd
just like to add some information >from a presentation last week at
the Toronto conference. Alti Rodal spoke about a project to
digitally photograph all the tombstones (56,000!) in the Chernivtsi
Jewish Cemetery. The same group responsible for this work also had
the resources to photograph the cemeteries (all or in part) of
Sadgura, Chotin, and Kamenets Podolsky. Ms. Rodal's presentation
will be published in an upcoming issue of Avotaynu. We have not only
her to thank, but also Dr. George Bolotenko of the Canadian National
Archives, and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Ottawa, Canada.
Researchers are still on site now seeing this project through to
completion.

The outcome of this project will be a free online, searchable database.
--
Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York

RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN, KURTZ - Radauti and
Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine

Re: kamenitz podulski #ukraine

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

Laura Eugenia ARNOLD RODGERS (pigglet@...) writes

My maternal grandfather Harry BLASSMAN >from kamenitz podulski, russia
married Grandmother Esther BROWN BLASMAN whose parents (David Brown and
Yetta SUPHIRE BROWN came >from budapest, hungry). Mom has been told that
the blassman family lived on the border between russia and poland.
Although I have found a map of poland that goes well into the current
russia/ukrain area I still have yet to find a map that shows kamenitz
podulski on the russian side of the border.

Mom's first cousin sent me a copy of a passport for jews to travel to
jewish places is russia. It was issued to Fesia wife of Kendal or maybe
wendal Bluzman a resident of kamenetz-podulsk goubernia and the city of
kamenetz >from 1899 July 23 to 1900 July 23. We do not know why the last
name is spelt differenty.
The name Bluzman sounds to me like a Yiddish version of Blassman.
There are several members of a Bluzmann family listed in the Ellis
Island records as coming >from Kamenetz Podolskiy in 1900 (no Fesia,
though). There are also some Blusmanns. A man named ...iendel
Blusmann (name only partly legible) came at age 60 in 1906, >from a
different city. The database names his residence as Woclsiosk, but I
think that's transcribed >from a different line and should say
something like Schrigrod. According to Shtetlseeker on Jewishgen,
there is a Shargorod in what was Podolia guberniya, closer to Mogilev
Podolskiy.

That might be a good starting point.
--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@...
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: kamenitz podulski #ukraine

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

Laura Eugenia ARNOLD RODGERS (pigglet@...) writes

My maternal grandfather Harry BLASSMAN >from kamenitz podulski, russia
married Grandmother Esther BROWN BLASMAN whose parents (David Brown and
Yetta SUPHIRE BROWN came >from budapest, hungry). Mom has been told that
the blassman family lived on the border between russia and poland.
Although I have found a map of poland that goes well into the current
russia/ukrain area I still have yet to find a map that shows kamenitz
podulski on the russian side of the border.

Mom's first cousin sent me a copy of a passport for jews to travel to
jewish places is russia. It was issued to Fesia wife of Kendal or maybe
wendal Bluzman a resident of kamenetz-podulsk goubernia and the city of
kamenetz >from 1899 July 23 to 1900 July 23. We do not know why the last
name is spelt differenty.
The name Bluzman sounds to me like a Yiddish version of Blassman.
There are several members of a Bluzmann family listed in the Ellis
Island records as coming >from Kamenetz Podolskiy in 1900 (no Fesia,
though). There are also some Blusmanns. A man named ...iendel
Blusmann (name only partly legible) came at age 60 in 1906, >from a
different city. The database names his residence as Woclsiosk, but I
think that's transcribed >from a different line and should say
something like Schrigrod. According to Shtetlseeker on Jewishgen,
there is a Shargorod in what was Podolia guberniya, closer to Mogilev
Podolskiy.

That might be a good starting point.
--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@...
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Hanna KRUTCHIK from Goshcha, Hoshcha or Gostche #ukraine

Frank Krutchik <krutchik@...>
 

I am seeking the sister of my paternal grandfather, Abraham KRUTCHIK.
Abraham's U.S. Naturalization certificate indicates he was born in Gostche,
however several family members have been found to have lived in Goshcha
(Hoshcha). His two sisters were Hanna and Malka Ester CYRLUK (or SIRLAEK).

Does anyone have a Yiskor book of this area of the Ukraine?

Many thanks for your assistance.

Frank KRUTCHIK

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Hanna KRUTCHIK from Goshcha, Hoshcha or Gostche #ukraine

Frank Krutchik <krutchik@...>
 

I am seeking the sister of my paternal grandfather, Abraham KRUTCHIK.
Abraham's U.S. Naturalization certificate indicates he was born in Gostche,
however several family members have been found to have lived in Goshcha
(Hoshcha). His two sisters were Hanna and Malka Ester CYRLUK (or SIRLAEK).

Does anyone have a Yiskor book of this area of the Ukraine?

Many thanks for your assistance.

Frank KRUTCHIK

Burial Record Data Base - Lviv #rabbinic

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,

I am trying to bring together a group of volunteers to create a data
base of persons that were buried in the Lviv Jewish cemetery during
the years 1941 and 1942. These were critical years for the Jews of
Lviv. The data sheets consist of about 9000 surnames, given names,
address at the time of death, date of death, date of burial, grave
section and plot, and amount paid for the burial.

By far, 9000 individuals are nowhere near the number of Jews that lost
their lives during this period of time. It is a start and will answer
many questions for researchers.

This set of documents may very well have the names of persons who have
passed on that do not appear on any other data base. So in essence we
will be doing a service to both the researcher and the deceased.

Copies of the paper records were given to Jewishgen by Yad Vashem in a
landmark agreement which allows copies of their documents out for
input by others. It is of major importance that this project be
successful so that others may follow.

This input when completed will become part of a searchable data base
to be incorporated with the others on the JewishGen system and will
also become a data base to be used by Yad Vashem.

Most of the documents are written in Latin script with about 15% of
the data written in Cyrillic script. Needless to say the Cyrillic
portion is during the period of time that the Russians had control of
Lviv and before the Germans entered the city.

For the project to go forward I will need to volunteers that can read
and translate Cyrillic script in addition to the volunteers needed for
the Latin portion.

The process will involve the input of the information >from paper
records to a Microsoft XL spread sheet and the verification of that
data input by another volunteer. Volunteers must have a recent
version of Microsoft XL and have the knowledge to receive and send e
mail attachments.

The general rules for this project can be found at,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/holocaust/HOWTO.html
There are some specific instructions that go along with this project
and will be forwarded along with the XL spread sheet.

Volunteers should be willing to devote approximately 4 to 6 hours a
week toward this project so it can be completed within a reasonable
amount of time. The hours of work and the length of the project are a
direct function of the number of individual that volunteer. I will be
able to determine the number of sheets each individual will get when I
know the number of volunteers we have.

The final verification of the data base will be made by Yad Vashem.

If you wish to become part of this worthwhile project please
e-mailto:ESLVIV@...

Errol Schneegurt NY

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Burial Record Data Base - Lviv #rabbinic

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,

I am trying to bring together a group of volunteers to create a data
base of persons that were buried in the Lviv Jewish cemetery during
the years 1941 and 1942. These were critical years for the Jews of
Lviv. The data sheets consist of about 9000 surnames, given names,
address at the time of death, date of death, date of burial, grave
section and plot, and amount paid for the burial.

By far, 9000 individuals are nowhere near the number of Jews that lost
their lives during this period of time. It is a start and will answer
many questions for researchers.

This set of documents may very well have the names of persons who have
passed on that do not appear on any other data base. So in essence we
will be doing a service to both the researcher and the deceased.

Copies of the paper records were given to Jewishgen by Yad Vashem in a
landmark agreement which allows copies of their documents out for
input by others. It is of major importance that this project be
successful so that others may follow.

This input when completed will become part of a searchable data base
to be incorporated with the others on the JewishGen system and will
also become a data base to be used by Yad Vashem.

Most of the documents are written in Latin script with about 15% of
the data written in Cyrillic script. Needless to say the Cyrillic
portion is during the period of time that the Russians had control of
Lviv and before the Germans entered the city.

For the project to go forward I will need to volunteers that can read
and translate Cyrillic script in addition to the volunteers needed for
the Latin portion.

The process will involve the input of the information >from paper
records to a Microsoft XL spread sheet and the verification of that
data input by another volunteer. Volunteers must have a recent
version of Microsoft XL and have the knowledge to receive and send e
mail attachments.

The general rules for this project can be found at,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/holocaust/HOWTO.html
There are some specific instructions that go along with this project
and will be forwarded along with the XL spread sheet.

Volunteers should be willing to devote approximately 4 to 6 hours a
week toward this project so it can be completed within a reasonable
amount of time. The hours of work and the length of the project are a
direct function of the number of individual that volunteer. I will be
able to determine the number of sheets each individual will get when I
know the number of volunteers we have.

The final verification of the data base will be made by Yad Vashem.

If you wish to become part of this worthwhile project please
e-mailto:ESLVIV@...

Errol Schneegurt NY

Re: Ellis Island #galicia

nsolat@...
 

You should know that the LDS web site for Ellis Island, for all its great
value, has a great many omissions and errors. For example, I couldn't find my
grandfather's arrival on the Ellis Island site, but did find him and the
manifest at the National Archives in Washington. The National Archives has
many regional offices, and there may be one near you. Look up www.nara.gov.

Norm Solat

"Silverman, Bill" wrote:

I am looking for KSENDOVSKY and SILVERMAN family members arriving at ELlis
Island and cannotfind them. I have tried all the various combinations of
letters and still no luck. BTW, KSENDOVSKY in Mogilven Podulsky became
Sadowsky in Brooklyn, Zilberman (>from Barr?) became Silverman.

Bill Silverman
<bsilverman@...>

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Ellis Island #ukraine

nsolat@...
 

You should know that the LDS web site for Ellis Island, for all its great
value, has a great many omissions and errors. For example, I couldn't find my
grandfather's arrival on the Ellis Island site, but did find him and the
manifest at the National Archives in Washington. The National Archives has
many regional offices, and there may be one near you. Look up www.nara.gov.

Norm Solat

"Silverman, Bill" wrote:

I am looking for KSENDOVSKY and SILVERMAN family members arriving at ELlis
Island and cannotfind them. I have tried all the various combinations of
letters and still no luck. BTW, KSENDOVSKY in Mogilven Podulsky became
Sadowsky in Brooklyn, Zilberman (>from Barr?) became Silverman.

Bill Silverman
<bsilverman@...>

Re: Old map of Proskurov? #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his Aug. 14/02 message with the subject heading "[ukraine] Kamenitz
Podulski] Ron Goldman asked for the whereabouts of a map, circa 1850's, of
the area of Proskurov, preferably one showing roads and railroads.

I haven't tried hard to look for such a map, but there is quite a bit about
Proskurov in David A. Chapin and Ben Weintstock "The Road >from Letichev." On
page 8 of Volume I, there is a map of the late 1700's, of provincial roads
of Podolia.

On Feb. 10, 2001 I sent in a message to Jewishgen referring everyone to a
Russian railroad site map. I wrote:


<<Although others may have mentioned it before, I discovered yesterday
a website that may be useful to many Jewishgenners who wonder what routes
their Eastern European and Russian ancestors may have taken:


http://pavel.physics.sunysb.edu/RR/tree.html

This site is entitled "Merger Tree of Russian Railways." What is
especially good about it is its clickable features which show maps of the
railway lines and their hubs, and the years in which they were constructed
or put into use. The names of the towns are in Russian, but if one has a
printed version the Russian alphabet, this is not a great disadvantage. At
least, unlike some Russian websites, the name do not appear as series of
mysterious question marks and so they should be readable with most web
browsers.>>

I haven't revisited this site lately and I do not recall much detail about it
so I don't know whether it shows railroads near Proskurov or even whether
railroads had already been constructed near the town during the period in
which Mr. Goldman is interested.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Re: Old map of Proskurov? again #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

Postscript to my response to Ron Goldman's inquiry about a map circa 1850 of
Proskurov showing roads and railroads.

I just found an 1882 map showing "Proskourov" with some railroad indications
at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~feefhs/maps/ruse/ukraine.jpg

Of course, this 1882 map doesn't say when the railroads were built.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Old map of Proskurov? #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his Aug. 14/02 message with the subject heading "[ukraine] Kamenitz
Podulski] Ron Goldman asked for the whereabouts of a map, circa 1850's, of
the area of Proskurov, preferably one showing roads and railroads.

I haven't tried hard to look for such a map, but there is quite a bit about
Proskurov in David A. Chapin and Ben Weintstock "The Road >from Letichev." On
page 8 of Volume I, there is a map of the late 1700's, of provincial roads
of Podolia.

On Feb. 10, 2001 I sent in a message to Jewishgen referring everyone to a
Russian railroad site map. I wrote:


<<Although others may have mentioned it before, I discovered yesterday
a website that may be useful to many Jewishgenners who wonder what routes
their Eastern European and Russian ancestors may have taken:


http://pavel.physics.sunysb.edu/RR/tree.html

This site is entitled "Merger Tree of Russian Railways." What is
especially good about it is its clickable features which show maps of the
railway lines and their hubs, and the years in which they were constructed
or put into use. The names of the towns are in Russian, but if one has a
printed version the Russian alphabet, this is not a great disadvantage. At
least, unlike some Russian websites, the name do not appear as series of
mysterious question marks and so they should be readable with most web
browsers.>>

I haven't revisited this site lately and I do not recall much detail about it
so I don't know whether it shows railroads near Proskurov or even whether
railroads had already been constructed near the town during the period in
which Mr. Goldman is interested.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Old map of Proskurov? again #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

Postscript to my response to Ron Goldman's inquiry about a map circa 1850 of
Proskurov showing roads and railroads.

I just found an 1882 map showing "Proskourov" with some railroad indications
at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~feefhs/maps/ruse/ukraine.jpg

Of course, this 1882 map doesn't say when the railroads were built.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Re: Chernigov Gubernia #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ruth,
I only included some sample names of towns. Priluki & Parafievka are indeed
in Chernigov. In fact, you may want to contact Sharen Hogarth & offer to
help with projects & data extraction. Her email address is:
<sjhogarth@...>.

Welcome to the Ukraine SIG.

Sincerely,
Florence Elman
haflo@...

----- Original Message -----
From: rmondlick@...
dear Florence etal,
I am very new to this site. I just read your e-mail about two new
active Gubernia SIGS, one of which is Chernigov. My mother is >from a little
town (village) called Parafievka. She always told me it was in Chernigov
Gubernia. Some of my relatives moved to Priluki. I thought that was also
in Chernigov Gubernia. However, I didn't see either place mentioned. ANy
reason? Am I mistaken about the gubernia?
Ruth Mondlick

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Chernigov Gubernia #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ruth,
I only included some sample names of towns. Priluki & Parafievka are indeed
in Chernigov. In fact, you may want to contact Sharen Hogarth & offer to
help with projects & data extraction. Her email address is:
<sjhogarth@...>.

Welcome to the Ukraine SIG.

Sincerely,
Florence Elman
haflo@...

----- Original Message -----
From: rmondlick@...
dear Florence etal,
I am very new to this site. I just read your e-mail about two new
active Gubernia SIGS, one of which is Chernigov. My mother is >from a little
town (village) called Parafievka. She always told me it was in Chernigov
Gubernia. Some of my relatives moved to Priluki. I thought that was also
in Chernigov Gubernia. However, I didn't see either place mentioned. ANy
reason? Am I mistaken about the gubernia?
Ruth Mondlick

Re: Breaking News from the Conference #ukraine

RMONDLICK@...
 

dear Florence etal,
I am very new to this site. I just read your e-mail about two new
active Gubernia SIGS, one of which is Chernigov. My mother is >from a little
town (village) called Parafievka. She always told me it was in Chernigov
Gubernia. Some of my relatives moved to Priluki. I thought that was also
in
Chernigov Gubernia. However, I didn't see either place mentioned. ANy
reason? Am I mistaken about the gubernia?
Ruth Mondlick
RMONDLICK@...

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Breaking News from the Conference #ukraine

RMONDLICK@...
 

dear Florence etal,
I am very new to this site. I just read your e-mail about two new
active Gubernia SIGS, one of which is Chernigov. My mother is >from a little
town (village) called Parafievka. She always told me it was in Chernigov
Gubernia. Some of my relatives moved to Priluki. I thought that was also
in
Chernigov Gubernia. However, I didn't see either place mentioned. ANy
reason? Am I mistaken about the gubernia?
Ruth Mondlick
RMONDLICK@...