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Trying to decipher 1880 census #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Someone was kins enough to send me a copy of the 1880 NY
censusThe page no. is 4, supervisor's district 1, ED # 145.

I'm wondering if anyone out there who has access to this can
tell me what the Street name is, and what the last 3 columns
ask for. It's hard to decipher.

Thanks,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills,Ca

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Re: "yichus is nice, but honest and upright ancestors is better" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/14/2002 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nachum@avichai.org.il writes:

<< The moral of the story is that yichus is nice, but honest
and upright ancestors is better. I imagine that honest,
upright and important people is even better, but I have nothing
to back that up with. >>

I'm not sure how you'd classify the family of my mgm's brother.
His wife, Therese, was a granddaughter of the renowned Rabbi
Samson Rafael Hirsch, "founder" of modern orthodoxy.

Their daughter, LiseLotte Altmann was personal secretary in
London to noted author Stefan Zweig. Zweig's wife, who was
Catholic, caught them in flagrante delicte (on the office desk,
allegedly), and offered a divorce so Stefan (whom everyone adored)
could be with the woman he now loved. He and LiseLotte did
indeed marry. Zweig had fled Europe as hatred threatened, then
fled with his wife to the USA as WW 2 approached, then fled
further to Brazil when the USA entered the war--then, apprarently
having nowhere else to flee, he and LiseLotte died in a suicide
pact. They had no children.

Liselotte had a brother. Not surprising, he was also a
greatgrandson of Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch. Not surprising,
I've forgotten his name. The brother emigrated to Egypt. There
he married a Moslem woman and converted to Islam. He became
arms dealer for the Egyptian government. He's on my tree
somewhere, a little faded, a little discolored, a little ragged
around the edges and hidden by other, more glorious leaves.

Where does that leave me?

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Don Solomon
 

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/14/02, Alex Bender wrote:

To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
for ... the wrong person.
Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search?
[snip]
(I don't have my ancestor's SS number)
I had some luck where they simply sent the wrong form -- wrong
name and everything, probably copied the record next to the one
I wanted. But in your case you only provided the name and
approximate date of death; probably they did the best search
they could and that's really what you paid for.

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
If he was born in 1873, he reached retirement age just about
the time Social Security benefits began to be paid. It's very
unlikely he had a Social Security number; even without considering
his age, many categories of individuals (self-employed, government
employees, clergy, farmers) did not receive numbers until many
years later.

If he died in California, the death indexes for California are
online at www.vitalsearch-ca.com -- I have found an individual
who died in 1950 using that method.

Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to decipher 1880 census #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Someone was kins enough to send me a copy of the 1880 NY
censusThe page no. is 4, supervisor's district 1, ED # 145.

I'm wondering if anyone out there who has access to this can
tell me what the Street name is, and what the last 3 columns
ask for. It's hard to decipher.

Thanks,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills,Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to post the entry on ViewMate
so that members of this list can help you decipher the entry.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "yichus is nice, but honest and upright ancestors is better" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/14/2002 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nachum@avichai.org.il writes:

<< The moral of the story is that yichus is nice, but honest
and upright ancestors is better. I imagine that honest,
upright and important people is even better, but I have nothing
to back that up with. >>

I'm not sure how you'd classify the family of my mgm's brother.
His wife, Therese, was a granddaughter of the renowned Rabbi
Samson Rafael Hirsch, "founder" of modern orthodoxy.

Their daughter, LiseLotte Altmann was personal secretary in
London to noted author Stefan Zweig. Zweig's wife, who was
Catholic, caught them in flagrante delicte (on the office desk,
allegedly), and offered a divorce so Stefan (whom everyone adored)
could be with the woman he now loved. He and LiseLotte did
indeed marry. Zweig had fled Europe as hatred threatened, then
fled with his wife to the USA as WW 2 approached, then fled
further to Brazil when the USA entered the war--then, apprarently
having nowhere else to flee, he and LiseLotte died in a suicide
pact. They had no children.

Liselotte had a brother. Not surprising, he was also a
greatgrandson of Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch. Not surprising,
I've forgotten his name. The brother emigrated to Egypt. There
he married a Moslem woman and converted to Islam. He became
arms dealer for the Egyptian government. He's on my tree
somewhere, a little faded, a little discolored, a little ragged
around the edges and hidden by other, more glorious leaves.

Where does that leave me?

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Don Solomon
 

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/14/02, Alex Bender wrote:

To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
for ... the wrong person.
Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search?
[snip]
(I don't have my ancestor's SS number)
I had some luck where they simply sent the wrong form -- wrong
name and everything, probably copied the record next to the one
I wanted. But in your case you only provided the name and
approximate date of death; probably they did the best search
they could and that's really what you paid for.

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
If he was born in 1873, he reached retirement age just about
the time Social Security benefits began to be paid. It's very
unlikely he had a Social Security number; even without considering
his age, many categories of individuals (self-employed, government
employees, clergy, farmers) did not receive numbers until many
years later.

If he died in California, the death indexes for California are
online at www.vitalsearch-ca.com -- I have found an individual
who died in 1950 using that method.

Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Re: Immigration from England #general

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

My great grandfather and his family went >from Poland to
England on the way to New York. In 1876, my grandfather
was born in London, and sometime that year they left for
the United States. ...I would like to know of the
possible ports they might have left England from, bound
for the U.S.
Linda

Many East European immigrants departed >from Glasgow, Scotland.
The records of departures by ship for the US, Canada etc are
held in the Public Records Office (PRO), Kew, London.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigration from England #general

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

My great grandfather and his family went >from Poland to
England on the way to New York. In 1876, my grandfather
was born in London, and sometime that year they left for
the United States. ...I would like to know of the
possible ports they might have left England from, bound
for the U.S.
Linda

Many East European immigrants departed >from Glasgow, Scotland.
The records of departures by ship for the US, Canada etc are
held in the Public Records Office (PRO), Kew, London.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow


Vodes, Segall #france

Bubylu@...
 

I have been searching and searching and have had not luck yet!

Do any of you recognize the names: SEGALL or VODES >from the
Paris area? The name VODES does have a mark over the 'e' or the 'o'.
Any help would be most helpful. All I do know at this time was that back
in the late 1940's or early 1950's Jacques VODES was a furrier and he had a
sister Arlette.

All help will be most gratefully appreciated.

Lois SEGALL Friedman
Delray Beach, FL
Bubylu@aol.com

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French SIG #France Vodes, Segall #france

Bubylu@...
 

I have been searching and searching and have had not luck yet!

Do any of you recognize the names: SEGALL or VODES >from the
Paris area? The name VODES does have a mark over the 'e' or the 'o'.
Any help would be most helpful. All I do know at this time was that back
in the late 1940's or early 1950's Jacques VODES was a furrier and he had a
sister Arlette.

All help will be most gratefully appreciated.

Lois SEGALL Friedman
Delray Beach, FL
Bubylu@aol.com

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French Jewish women deported from France #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Different postings were sent on that site to tell about sites where
one can find the names of deportees >from France. I found a new one
(in French)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/claude.gervais/pub_jo_arretes_mort_en_deportation.htm
M. Claude Gervais has drawn up an index of a lot of French decrees
concerning deportees >from France, related with the site Rosanne
Leeson told about last 10 September (Subject: [frenchsig] Deportation
lists >from France...). That index is not useful by itself and it must
be connected to lists which are not online. Moreover, it doesn't
concern all the deportees. But at the bottom of the above site there
is a link to a file one can download (click on "A a Z"), with the
name of about 4 200 Jewish women deported >from France, with their
maiden name. It may be very useful when one is searching for a woman
one knows only her maiden name, since they were deported with their
spouse name. I want to insist once more on the fact that this is only
a small part of the whole list of deportees >from France : until now,
there is no exhaustive list of all of them, only a few ones, here and
there on the Web, that we can find sometimes by chance.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


French SIG #France French Jewish women deported from France #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Different postings were sent on that site to tell about sites where
one can find the names of deportees >from France. I found a new one
(in French)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/claude.gervais/pub_jo_arretes_mort_en_deportation.htm
M. Claude Gervais has drawn up an index of a lot of French decrees
concerning deportees >from France, related with the site Rosanne
Leeson told about last 10 September (Subject: [frenchsig] Deportation
lists >from France...). That index is not useful by itself and it must
be connected to lists which are not online. Moreover, it doesn't
concern all the deportees. But at the bottom of the above site there
is a link to a file one can download (click on "A a Z"), with the
name of about 4 200 Jewish women deported >from France, with their
maiden name. It may be very useful when one is searching for a woman
one knows only her maiden name, since they were deported with their
spouse name. I want to insist once more on the fact that this is only
a small part of the whole list of deportees >from France : until now,
there is no exhaustive list of all of them, only a few ones, here and
there on the Web, that we can find sometimes by chance.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Israel Genealogical Society - Jerusalem November 2002 meeting #general

Jean-Pierre Stroweis <stroweis@...>
 

Israel Genealogical Society - Jerusalem
Program of meeting
Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 19:30

Speaker: Prof. Moshe FARAGGI, Ben Gurion University in
Beer Sheva.
Subject: The Faraggi Family of the Balkans (Greece, Turkey,
Macedonia) and Italy."

The lecture (in hebrew) is in cooperation with the SIG
Sephardim of the Mediterranean Basin.
The library is open >from 18:00. The lecture is at 19:30.

Location: Beit Frankfurter, Derech Beit Lechem 80, Baka'a, Jerusalem.
Buses: 7, 21 (Central Bus Station), 30, 48.
Admission: free (member), 20 NIS (non-member)

For more information, please contact us:
The Israel Genealogical Society
P.O Box. 4270
91041 Jerusalem
Tel: (02) 651-4996
E-mail: igs@isragen.org.il
Web: http://www.isragen.org.il

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
stroweis@trendline.co.il

MODERATOR NOTE: The web site referenced above was not
accessible at the time of this posting.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Israel Genealogical Society - Jerusalem November 2002 meeting #general

Jean-Pierre Stroweis <stroweis@...>
 

Israel Genealogical Society - Jerusalem
Program of meeting
Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 19:30

Speaker: Prof. Moshe FARAGGI, Ben Gurion University in
Beer Sheva.
Subject: The Faraggi Family of the Balkans (Greece, Turkey,
Macedonia) and Italy."

The lecture (in hebrew) is in cooperation with the SIG
Sephardim of the Mediterranean Basin.
The library is open >from 18:00. The lecture is at 19:30.

Location: Beit Frankfurter, Derech Beit Lechem 80, Baka'a, Jerusalem.
Buses: 7, 21 (Central Bus Station), 30, 48.
Admission: free (member), 20 NIS (non-member)

For more information, please contact us:
The Israel Genealogical Society
P.O Box. 4270
91041 Jerusalem
Tel: (02) 651-4996
E-mail: igs@isragen.org.il
Web: http://www.isragen.org.il

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
stroweis@trendline.co.il

MODERATOR NOTE: The web site referenced above was not
accessible at the time of this posting.


GALATI (Romania) 19th Century City Map #romania

Arnon Hershkovitz <arnonh@...>
 

Hi!

I'm looking for a city map of GALATI city, Galati county, Romania, >from the mid-
late 19th century.

Where can I get such a map online/offline?

Thanks,
Arnon Hershkovitz
Haifa, Israel
arnonh@tx.technion.ac.il

Researching:
HERSHKOVITZ: Romania (Galati) -> Israel (1882),
some left to the USA, France, SA, Australia;
JACOBSON: Pinsk (Minsk Gub.), Belarus -> Israel (1880s);
GOLDBERG: Vienne(?) -> Jerusalem (1838),
some left to USA, Paris
LIBMAN: Volochisk & Krasilov, Ukraine (Volhynia Gub.) -> Israel (1920s);
SCHREIER: Orinin, Ukraine (Podolia Gub.) -> Israel (1920s), Russia, USA;
TROP: Grodno -> Israel (mid 19th century).


Romania SIG #Romania GALATI (Romania) 19th Century City Map #romania

Arnon Hershkovitz <arnonh@...>
 

Hi!

I'm looking for a city map of GALATI city, Galati county, Romania, >from the mid-
late 19th century.

Where can I get such a map online/offline?

Thanks,
Arnon Hershkovitz
Haifa, Israel
arnonh@tx.technion.ac.il

Researching:
HERSHKOVITZ: Romania (Galati) -> Israel (1882),
some left to the USA, France, SA, Australia;
JACOBSON: Pinsk (Minsk Gub.), Belarus -> Israel (1880s);
GOLDBERG: Vienne(?) -> Jerusalem (1838),
some left to USA, Paris
LIBMAN: Volochisk & Krasilov, Ukraine (Volhynia Gub.) -> Israel (1920s);
SCHREIER: Orinin, Ukraine (Podolia Gub.) -> Israel (1920s), Russia, USA;
TROP: Grodno -> Israel (mid 19th century).


Two Rare Romanian History Books #romania

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

*First of all, a BIG thank-you to all those who offered to translate
my letter >from Romanian to English. The translation has been done,
and I'm amazed by all the kind offers to help.*

A friend of mine in Switzerland (and a collector of European
historical judaica >from Romania and Bukovina in particular) has
acquired two rare books:

Leibovici, Lazar. In "Duminica Aceia", A Pogromului dela Iasi, 29
Juni 1941. Published in Tel Aviv - Tipografia Moshe Shoham. 20 pp.


Evreii in Romania Democrata. Prima Conferinta pe Tara a Comitetului
Democrat Evreesc. published ca. 1945. Publisher - Editura
Comitetului Democrat Evreesc: Bucarest. 144 pp. including pictures
of conference participants.

I can't find either of them in the WorldCat database (you librarians
know what I mean!)

The first book looks like an account of a terrible pogrom in Iasi,
Romania, 1941. The second seems to be the proceedings of a
conference on Romania Jewish History held in Bucarest just after the
war.

My friend is willing to make these available for translation, and he
can send good scans of each page. He doesn't see any copyright
information in either book (nor does he read Romanian). There might
still be a copyright issue in making a translation available to the
public. As a "go-between" here, I'd like to find a "project
coordinator" willing to follow up on the possibility of translating
the material, posting it to the internet (I've been in touch with
Joyce Field of the Yizkor Book project), and/or otherwise letting
others know what of genealogical and historical value might be found
in these books.

Please contact me privately, and I'll put you in touch with my Swiss friend.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
<bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu>


Romania SIG #Romania Two Rare Romanian History Books #romania

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

*First of all, a BIG thank-you to all those who offered to translate
my letter >from Romanian to English. The translation has been done,
and I'm amazed by all the kind offers to help.*

A friend of mine in Switzerland (and a collector of European
historical judaica >from Romania and Bukovina in particular) has
acquired two rare books:

Leibovici, Lazar. In "Duminica Aceia", A Pogromului dela Iasi, 29
Juni 1941. Published in Tel Aviv - Tipografia Moshe Shoham. 20 pp.


Evreii in Romania Democrata. Prima Conferinta pe Tara a Comitetului
Democrat Evreesc. published ca. 1945. Publisher - Editura
Comitetului Democrat Evreesc: Bucarest. 144 pp. including pictures
of conference participants.

I can't find either of them in the WorldCat database (you librarians
know what I mean!)

The first book looks like an account of a terrible pogrom in Iasi,
Romania, 1941. The second seems to be the proceedings of a
conference on Romania Jewish History held in Bucarest just after the
war.

My friend is willing to make these available for translation, and he
can send good scans of each page. He doesn't see any copyright
information in either book (nor does he read Romanian). There might
still be a copyright issue in making a translation available to the
public. As a "go-between" here, I'd like to find a "project
coordinator" willing to follow up on the possibility of translating
the material, posting it to the internet (I've been in touch with
Joyce Field of the Yizkor Book project), and/or otherwise letting
others know what of genealogical and historical value might be found
in these books.

Please contact me privately, and I'll put you in touch with my Swiss friend.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
<bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu>


Malbim (Weisser) #romania

E
 

In my continuing search, I have discovered that my uncle's (who claimed
descent) mother's maiden name was TASHLINSKY. Does this provide any
connection for anyone?


Rabbi Edward F Goldstein
Woodmere NY

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Romania SIG #Romania Malbim (Weisser) #romania

E
 

In my continuing search, I have discovered that my uncle's (who claimed
descent) mother's maiden name was TASHLINSKY. Does this provide any
connection for anyone?


Rabbi Edward F Goldstein
Woodmere NY

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Finder (www.jewishgen.org/jgff). You can also search there for others
who are looking for the same names/towns.