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Re: Stumped #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Arie Wishnia wrote that he was "stumped" because he couldn't find his grfa or
uncle on any of the online databases. He gave lots of detailed information
except one important fact------the names of his grfa and uncle. If he had
given some names, then perhaps some of us might have been able to come up with
some info for him. He stated his grfa came to Cleveland, Ohio. There are
several resources available, and I could have done some 'looking' for him.

Arie wanted "any advice or suggestions" to help him find his relatives. My
advice/suggestion is: Give us a name and you'd be surprised how much help
you'll get. He also does not say where he is located, so that appropriate
suggestions for resources can be made.


Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio (Cleveland)
agloger@aol.com


Hi List,

I need advice or suggestion(s). I have been looking for my grandfathers
arrival
in the USA (twice) as well as my Uncle (arrived with my grandfather when he
returned the second time). Looked for my grandfather on EI (Morse) to no
avail.
Looked for my Uncle with the same results. All I know that my grandfather
arrived some time before WWI started (1913 or 1914). He was admitted to the
States and lived in Cleveland, Ohio. He was a paddler (had a horse and a
wagon
and worked the Norther Pa area). He left for Poland some time in 1923. He
couldn't get readjusted to life in Poland so he decided to go back to the
States. My grandmother didn't wish to go, so they decided that my Uncle will
go
with him (1926 - 1930). When they arrived in the States (port or ship
unknown)
both of them were refused entry. My grandfather wrote to somebody (I guess
INS)
and he was allowed to enter, but not my Uncle, he traveled to Cuba and
entered
the States some time after 1936 at which time my grandfather was already
dead.
My questions are:

Where or to whom would one write to appeal a decision on admission?
Where would one find documents on people not admitted to enter?

One more item. I can't find them on any SS documents (Numbers or death
certificates). Any advise or suggestions are welcome.

Sincerely

Arie L. Wishnia.


Re: William the Conqueror/King David? #general

CharlesPottins
 

Is his name Norman?
As far as I know the only connection was that some Jews came to England with
the Normans. But it was one of his successors who expelled Jews >from the
kingdom. Whether the Jews and Normans mixed socially in between is doubtful.
As for William's parentage, he is known in France as William the Bastard.
(inscribed as such on memorial at Caen castle. Mind you, there is a shul
across the street >from the castle. . .)

Charlie Pottins


Re: alleged descent of European royalty from Biblical, thus Jewish, persons #general

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

It is an irony that the same European royalty that institutionalized
antisemitism in multifarious restrictions against Jewish residents
simultaneously had created for them pseudo-genealogies tracing their descent
from Adam [which must be the case if you believe the Bible literally]
through as distinguished as possible a route. Who could be more
distinguished than David? The first umpty-ump generations of their
ancestries were thus perforce Jewish. Although I don't have a specific
citation for William the Conqueror's alleged descent >from David, I would
expect there to be at least one, but several, each hotly defended by its
respective author, wouldn't jiggle my improbability meter.

Note that there is a gap of several centuries between when the most recent
Biblical records leave off and when generally reliable vital records for
Europeans, even royalty, pick up, called "the Dark Ages" for good reason.
Therefore, any tree that purports to bridge this gap must be considered
highly speculative at best. [Incidentally, similar considerations hold for
today's Jews. Jewish records also had trouble surviving the Dark Ages].

There are newsgroups that discuss these issues in detail. A web search
would no doubt turn up many, many pages, though judging the soundness of the
research behind any individual page might be more time-consuming than the
average reader of this newsgroup has to devote to that particular topic.

As an example along these lines, I once read in German, for someone who
sought advice on its general reliability, a book on Charlemagne's ancestry,
before he invested actual money in its translation. The basic thesis of
this book can be distilled into: the identity of one of Charlemagne's
grandmothers is now unknown. Given that it borders on the impossible that
he himself did not know who she was, her identity must have been suppressed
because it was politically incorrect for him to have her in his pedigree.
So the author cast about to see if he could identify a small set of females
who would have been the most embarassing grandmother possible, given
Charlemagne's political status at the time of his ascent to the throne. And
lo, he found a small number of such women and was able, with arguments I
wasn't sufficiently grounded in the history of the time to judge, to
conclude that one of these individuals must have been considerably more
embarassing as a grandmother than all the rest & that, therefore, she must
be his grandmother. [And no, he did not address the possibility that his
grandmother was actually someone less embarassing than this woman, and that
Charlemagne, when thinking about the swivet that might follow disclosure of
who she was, consoled himself by thinking, "At least it's not HER"]. The
remainder of the book, which was substantial in length, worked out the 'new'
genealogical 'facts' his 'discovery' had 'uncovered'. This person also
quoted someone, with approval, as having said, "There are only 2 kinds of
people: those who know they're descended >from Charlemagne, and those who
haven't discovered it yet".

This appears to be the sort of thing that can happen to one's mental
processes when one tries to bridge the Dark Ages.

In case you're wondering, the person who asked me about this work decided it
was not worth his while to have the entire book translated.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Re: Surname: DRUT or DRUIT #general

CharlesPottins
 

Not in my tree, but I did have a boss at work called Jack Druit (or Druitt),
pronounced Drew-it, when I was in south London. I believe he was >from south
east London, as I remember him supporting Charlton soccer club.
Probably no relation, but you never know!

Charlie Pottins


help given name Izak Yisakhar Sucher equivalent #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Hello all

1/ The g-g-father SMIETAN married with Chaja GRYNCAJG, living Warsaw
Nowoliki street 31 was know in the documents (1930's years) of his son as:
Icek (polish identity document )
Izak (polish-belgian identity document)
Isidore (french notary document)
We dont know his occupation, but his son Jozef 21 years was going in 1921 to
Leipzig, where is a great toys fair, for toys business...
2/ A certain Abram Sucher GRYNCAJG was working Nowolipki street 57 in 1923
(nothing in 1929) as toyshandler. I saw in Given Name Data Base that Sucher
can be equivalent of Yisakhar (yiddish) or Issachar (european secular)
3/ Besides, in this case they are many arguments that he take the name of
his wife (the name SMIETAN was infamous in according with family documents
and testimony of Isaak Bashevis Ginger) ; that I take as I. GRYNCAJG firstly
the same occupation of his wife in 1929 (She may be papier handler in 1923
and 1929), then in 1939 the own shop and succession of his wife.

My ask is: Can be Icek/Izak/Isydor equivalent of Abram Sucher/
Issachar/Yisakhar?

Any help would be apprecied

Daniel Vangheluwe
France


Re: Given name "Pesia" #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Alan Rackow posted as follows:

"My maternal grandmother was called Bessie in English, or Pesia. I believe
the latter is a Yiddish name. Is there a common Hebrew equivalent? Mind
you, in those days (late 19th century) I believe it was not uncommon for
people, women especially, not to receive Hebrew names. Am I correct?"

The name of the European country of origin was not mentioned, so I will
assume Poland. The Yiddish name Pesye is linked to the Hebrew names Basya
and Bisya (see Chronicles I 4:18). There are other variations of this
name: Pesale, Pesl, Pesele, Peske, Pesle.

Using the Given Names Data Base for Poland, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ , one will find a fuller
listing of information. Search for Pesye using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex.

It was quite common for Jewish women not to receive a Hebrew name, because
they did not need one for an aliya in shul, as did men.

G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


King David/William the Conqueror #general

David Kravitz
 

Varda Epstein asked "Does anyone know of a connection between King David's
and William the conqueror's descendants?"

My understanding of the Old Testament, not necessarily accurate, is that
King Solomon is the first biblical character for whom there is archaelogical
evidence (the West Wall in Jerusalem etc). For those who wish to accept Adam
and Eve forwards as absolute, some years ago I published in the UK and USA a
dictionary of Greek and Roman mythology. Omitted >from both editions was a
forward that linked the earlier characters in the OT to characters in my
book, suggesting that both may be based on something much earlier. Certainly
the story of the Flood goes back rather further than 5700 years.

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stumped #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Arie Wishnia wrote that he was "stumped" because he couldn't find his grfa or
uncle on any of the online databases. He gave lots of detailed information
except one important fact------the names of his grfa and uncle. If he had
given some names, then perhaps some of us might have been able to come up with
some info for him. He stated his grfa came to Cleveland, Ohio. There are
several resources available, and I could have done some 'looking' for him.

Arie wanted "any advice or suggestions" to help him find his relatives. My
advice/suggestion is: Give us a name and you'd be surprised how much help
you'll get. He also does not say where he is located, so that appropriate
suggestions for resources can be made.


Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio (Cleveland)
agloger@aol.com


Hi List,

I need advice or suggestion(s). I have been looking for my grandfathers
arrival
in the USA (twice) as well as my Uncle (arrived with my grandfather when he
returned the second time). Looked for my grandfather on EI (Morse) to no
avail.
Looked for my Uncle with the same results. All I know that my grandfather
arrived some time before WWI started (1913 or 1914). He was admitted to the
States and lived in Cleveland, Ohio. He was a paddler (had a horse and a
wagon
and worked the Norther Pa area). He left for Poland some time in 1923. He
couldn't get readjusted to life in Poland so he decided to go back to the
States. My grandmother didn't wish to go, so they decided that my Uncle will
go
with him (1926 - 1930). When they arrived in the States (port or ship
unknown)
both of them were refused entry. My grandfather wrote to somebody (I guess
INS)
and he was allowed to enter, but not my Uncle, he traveled to Cuba and
entered
the States some time after 1936 at which time my grandfather was already
dead.
My questions are:

Where or to whom would one write to appeal a decision on admission?
Where would one find documents on people not admitted to enter?

One more item. I can't find them on any SS documents (Numbers or death
certificates). Any advise or suggestions are welcome.

Sincerely

Arie L. Wishnia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: William the Conqueror/King David? #general

CharlesPottins
 

Is his name Norman?
As far as I know the only connection was that some Jews came to England with
the Normans. But it was one of his successors who expelled Jews >from the
kingdom. Whether the Jews and Normans mixed socially in between is doubtful.
As for William's parentage, he is known in France as William the Bastard.
(inscribed as such on memorial at Caen castle. Mind you, there is a shul
across the street >from the castle. . .)

Charlie Pottins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: alleged descent of European royalty from Biblical, thus Jewish, persons #general

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

It is an irony that the same European royalty that institutionalized
antisemitism in multifarious restrictions against Jewish residents
simultaneously had created for them pseudo-genealogies tracing their descent
from Adam [which must be the case if you believe the Bible literally]
through as distinguished as possible a route. Who could be more
distinguished than David? The first umpty-ump generations of their
ancestries were thus perforce Jewish. Although I don't have a specific
citation for William the Conqueror's alleged descent >from David, I would
expect there to be at least one, but several, each hotly defended by its
respective author, wouldn't jiggle my improbability meter.

Note that there is a gap of several centuries between when the most recent
Biblical records leave off and when generally reliable vital records for
Europeans, even royalty, pick up, called "the Dark Ages" for good reason.
Therefore, any tree that purports to bridge this gap must be considered
highly speculative at best. [Incidentally, similar considerations hold for
today's Jews. Jewish records also had trouble surviving the Dark Ages].

There are newsgroups that discuss these issues in detail. A web search
would no doubt turn up many, many pages, though judging the soundness of the
research behind any individual page might be more time-consuming than the
average reader of this newsgroup has to devote to that particular topic.

As an example along these lines, I once read in German, for someone who
sought advice on its general reliability, a book on Charlemagne's ancestry,
before he invested actual money in its translation. The basic thesis of
this book can be distilled into: the identity of one of Charlemagne's
grandmothers is now unknown. Given that it borders on the impossible that
he himself did not know who she was, her identity must have been suppressed
because it was politically incorrect for him to have her in his pedigree.
So the author cast about to see if he could identify a small set of females
who would have been the most embarassing grandmother possible, given
Charlemagne's political status at the time of his ascent to the throne. And
lo, he found a small number of such women and was able, with arguments I
wasn't sufficiently grounded in the history of the time to judge, to
conclude that one of these individuals must have been considerably more
embarassing as a grandmother than all the rest & that, therefore, she must
be his grandmother. [And no, he did not address the possibility that his
grandmother was actually someone less embarassing than this woman, and that
Charlemagne, when thinking about the swivet that might follow disclosure of
who she was, consoled himself by thinking, "At least it's not HER"]. The
remainder of the book, which was substantial in length, worked out the 'new'
genealogical 'facts' his 'discovery' had 'uncovered'. This person also
quoted someone, with approval, as having said, "There are only 2 kinds of
people: those who know they're descended >from Charlemagne, and those who
haven't discovered it yet".

This appears to be the sort of thing that can happen to one's mental
processes when one tries to bridge the Dark Ages.

In case you're wondering, the person who asked me about this work decided it
was not worth his while to have the entire book translated.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname: DRUT or DRUIT #general

CharlesPottins
 

Not in my tree, but I did have a boss at work called Jack Druit (or Druitt),
pronounced Drew-it, when I was in south London. I believe he was >from south
east London, as I remember him supporting Charlton soccer club.
Probably no relation, but you never know!

Charlie Pottins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen help given name Izak Yisakhar Sucher equivalent #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Hello all

1/ The g-g-father SMIETAN married with Chaja GRYNCAJG, living Warsaw
Nowoliki street 31 was know in the documents (1930's years) of his son as:
Icek (polish identity document )
Izak (polish-belgian identity document)
Isidore (french notary document)
We dont know his occupation, but his son Jozef 21 years was going in 1921 to
Leipzig, where is a great toys fair, for toys business...
2/ A certain Abram Sucher GRYNCAJG was working Nowolipki street 57 in 1923
(nothing in 1929) as toyshandler. I saw in Given Name Data Base that Sucher
can be equivalent of Yisakhar (yiddish) or Issachar (european secular)
3/ Besides, in this case they are many arguments that he take the name of
his wife (the name SMIETAN was infamous in according with family documents
and testimony of Isaak Bashevis Ginger) ; that I take as I. GRYNCAJG firstly
the same occupation of his wife in 1929 (She may be papier handler in 1923
and 1929), then in 1939 the own shop and succession of his wife.

My ask is: Can be Icek/Izak/Isydor equivalent of Abram Sucher/
Issachar/Yisakhar?

Any help would be apprecied

Daniel Vangheluwe
France


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Given name "Pesia" #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Alan Rackow posted as follows:

"My maternal grandmother was called Bessie in English, or Pesia. I believe
the latter is a Yiddish name. Is there a common Hebrew equivalent? Mind
you, in those days (late 19th century) I believe it was not uncommon for
people, women especially, not to receive Hebrew names. Am I correct?"

The name of the European country of origin was not mentioned, so I will
assume Poland. The Yiddish name Pesye is linked to the Hebrew names Basya
and Bisya (see Chronicles I 4:18). There are other variations of this
name: Pesale, Pesl, Pesele, Peske, Pesle.

Using the Given Names Data Base for Poland, at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ , one will find a fuller
listing of information. Search for Pesye using Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex.

It was quite common for Jewish women not to receive a Hebrew name, because
they did not need one for an aliya in shul, as did men.

G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen King David/William the Conqueror #general

David Kravitz
 

Varda Epstein asked "Does anyone know of a connection between King David's
and William the conqueror's descendants?"

My understanding of the Old Testament, not necessarily accurate, is that
King Solomon is the first biblical character for whom there is archaelogical
evidence (the West Wall in Jerusalem etc). For those who wish to accept Adam
and Eve forwards as absolute, some years ago I published in the UK and USA a
dictionary of Greek and Roman mythology. Omitted >from both editions was a
forward that linked the earlier characters in the OT to characters in my
book, suggesting that both may be based on something much earlier. Certainly
the story of the Flood goes back rather further than 5700 years.

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England


William the Conq./King David & the merchants of Russia and China #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/10/2002 5:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
simonb@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Dov & Varda wrote:

> A new aquaintance mentioned to me that her husband believes himself to
> descend >from both King David and William the Conqueror

Maybe David I King Of Scots born 1080 died Sunday 24 May 1153

==That would be tough! It would mean that Willie the Conq won the battle of
Hastings 14 years before he was born. Even for a descendant of our King
David, that would be difficult.

William was a Norseman, one of the Norse settlers in northern France. I very
much dobt the level of literacy among the Norse--or even among the Normans,
that would have permitted Willie to trace his ancestry more than four
generations--I mean, no FHC, no jewishgen, no FTM, no EIDB. I doubt even
that the Conqueror had much of an idea of who King David was

My guess: some smart-alecky priest (who else would be able to tell him about
David?) was trying to flatter him.

Ooops, just realized, there were Jews in Normandy even before 1066, some in
the service of William. I bet singing mah yofis and telling William of his
Biblical ancestors and Jewish roots could have earned someone passage on an
early boat to England.

In short, I don't believe its true--but it is the basis for Queen Elizabeth
claiming Davidic descent.

I checked out the Enc Judaica to find out how soon after 1066 Jews came to
England (almost instantaneously it appears). What surprised me was to read
in the EJ that some of the Jews who lived in England before the expulsion in
1290, had come >from Germany, Italy, and Spain, and some even >from Russia and
the Muslim countries. There were Jews in Russia, especially in the Crimea and
Kiev, in the very early middle ages, I learned when I followed up on the
story, and there were Jewish merchants, referred to in Hebrew as holkhei
Rusyah (those who walk in/to Russia) who regularly traveled through the
Slavonic and Khazar lands on their way to India and China. I guess some of
these may have extended their business to England at this time.

Amazing how much one can learn by following up on one jewishgen query--even
when it sounds implausible.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: William the Conqueror/King David? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/10/2002 10:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
David_Bursztyn@hotmail.com writes:

<< Seriously now, why would you expect a relation? As far as I know, my
maternal grandfather and my paternal grandfather were not related to each
other (except that they were both descendants of Samuel the prophet). >>

==Not so preposterous and not so impossible! I think most of my ancestors
(in Germany) relate to most of the others with not more than six degrees of
separation.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen William the Conq./King David & the merchants of Russia and China #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/10/2002 5:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
simonb@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Dov & Varda wrote:

> A new aquaintance mentioned to me that her husband believes himself to
> descend >from both King David and William the Conqueror

Maybe David I King Of Scots born 1080 died Sunday 24 May 1153

==That would be tough! It would mean that Willie the Conq won the battle of
Hastings 14 years before he was born. Even for a descendant of our King
David, that would be difficult.

William was a Norseman, one of the Norse settlers in northern France. I very
much dobt the level of literacy among the Norse--or even among the Normans,
that would have permitted Willie to trace his ancestry more than four
generations--I mean, no FHC, no jewishgen, no FTM, no EIDB. I doubt even
that the Conqueror had much of an idea of who King David was

My guess: some smart-alecky priest (who else would be able to tell him about
David?) was trying to flatter him.

Ooops, just realized, there were Jews in Normandy even before 1066, some in
the service of William. I bet singing mah yofis and telling William of his
Biblical ancestors and Jewish roots could have earned someone passage on an
early boat to England.

In short, I don't believe its true--but it is the basis for Queen Elizabeth
claiming Davidic descent.

I checked out the Enc Judaica to find out how soon after 1066 Jews came to
England (almost instantaneously it appears). What surprised me was to read
in the EJ that some of the Jews who lived in England before the expulsion in
1290, had come >from Germany, Italy, and Spain, and some even >from Russia and
the Muslim countries. There were Jews in Russia, especially in the Crimea and
Kiev, in the very early middle ages, I learned when I followed up on the
story, and there were Jewish merchants, referred to in Hebrew as holkhei
Rusyah (those who walk in/to Russia) who regularly traveled through the
Slavonic and Khazar lands on their way to India and China. I guess some of
these may have extended their business to England at this time.

Amazing how much one can learn by following up on one jewishgen query--even
when it sounds implausible.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: William the Conqueror/King David? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/10/2002 10:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
David_Bursztyn@hotmail.com writes:

<< Seriously now, why would you expect a relation? As far as I know, my
maternal grandfather and my paternal grandfather were not related to each
other (except that they were both descendants of Samuel the prophet). >>

==Not so preposterous and not so impossible! I think most of my ancestors
(in Germany) relate to most of the others with not more than six degrees of
separation.

Michael Bernet, New York


Jews of Saxony near Galicia ("Konigshain") #poland

Akiva A. Mevorach <akivam@...>
 

Thank you very much Ms. Fatouros for the information you have supplied,
especially on the book reference.
Konigshain is a village with 1300 people. 5 Km >from Gorlitz (which has
polish name too).
Here is the website of konigshain http://www.koenigshainer-berge.de

If anybody knows about the Jews of Koenigshain and or goerlitz please
let me know. Goerlitz had 649 Jews in 1933. in 1939, 139 stayed in
Goerlitz. All perished.

-----Original Message-----
From: NFatouros@aol.com [mailto:NFatouros@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:21 PM
To: JRI-PL@lyris.jewishgen.org; Akiva Mevorach
Cc: NFatouros@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jews of Saxony near Galicia ("Konigshain")



On Nov. 5/02 Akiva A. Mevorach (akivam@vms.huji.ac il.) wrote:

<<Does anybody know anything about a village named "Konigshain"- it is
in Saxony, Germany. on the border with poland. it is near a town named
Gorlitz. if you know anything about the history or jews of the region
please notify.>>

I think the "village named Konigshain" could be the one named
"Konigstein." In my usual sources, online or in books, I have not found
any place, called "Konigshain." Perhaps this was a misspelling or
mishearing of "Konigstein," pronounced as "Konigshtein" in German.

My 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer has three listings for places
named Konigstein. One is a very small village) in the Upper Palatinate,
central Bavaria, northwest of Amberg. A second listing is for
"Kongstein im Taunus, which is in the former Prussian province of
Hesse-Nassau, in West Germany.

But the one in which Ms. Mevorach may be interested is the Konigstein
in Saxony, (population 5,139). It is in East Central Germany, in
Saxonion Switzerland, and located on the Elbe Riiver, 7 miles east
southeast of Pirna. It was used in both World Wars as a prison camp.

Ms. Mevorach may want to find this Saxony Konigstein on an online or
paper map to see how close it is to "Gorlitz" which I suggest may be
Gorlice or "Gorlitza," which is southeast of Krakow and east of Sanz.


Also, she may also try doing a "google" search (http://www.google.com)
typing in the search box "Jews of Saxony." I just did this and turned up
several websites, one of which mentions a book "The Migration and
Settlement of Jews in Saxony, 1834-1933, by Solvejg Hopner. But there
are several more sites which Ms. Mezorach should visit, including one
which concerns the rights of Jews in Saxony (granted in full in 1837)
and the construction of the Semper Synagogue in Dresden.

I myself did not have the time, patience or genealogical interest to
click on all the sites to read

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY,
Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev;
BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Rabbi Shimon HERTZ - Wloszczowa #poland

M & M. Schejtman <mario_m@...>
 

My gggrandfather was Rabbi Hertz.
He was born in 1860 and was chief rabbi of Wloszczowa in the 1920's. He died
Feb. 9th 1928.
I have all the excerpts >from the book: " Vlotsheve: Zydzi we Wlodzczowie w
Latach
1867-1942"

I am having problems finding information about his earlier life and the names of
his parents. In the book an Eidelis is mentioned as the rabbi.
I searched JRI-Poland and found no mention of my Shimon (plenty of Herc Herz
Hertz), and no form of Eidelis to be found.
Can anyone help me?