Will the real Hebrew date please stand up! I have two different death dates
and would like to know if I have the right certificate for my great great
aunt. She WAS a Prigel but died a WAXMAN and I am trying to sort it all
out.

The stone is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1847

Please respond privately.

Thank you.

Jackye Sullins

Will the real Hebrew date please stand up! I have two different death dates
and would like to know if I have the right certificate for my great great
aunt. She WAS a Prigel but died a WAXMAN and I am trying to sort it all
out.

The stone is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1847

Please respond privately.

Thank you.

Jackye Sullins

Michelle Frager wrote:
Though not a true ancestral family of mine, Selma/Zelda MAZUR/MAZIN or
similar was my g'father Shmuel FRAKT's first wife. <snip> Were the
MAZUR/MAZINs?"

Like Michelle, the MAZOR family is not my ancestors, but since they are
ancestors of my step children, I have been tracking them. >from their cousin,
Hilda PERL GOODWIN, I have obtained considerable information about Isaac
Hirsch MAZOR and his descendents.

"Isaac Masur and Bela Lande were married in about 1870 and raised their five
children, Maltzie, Sarah, Minnie, Louis, and Sophie, in Schwartz Tiffel, a
shtettel in Kiew giberny in the southwestern area of the Ukraine, near the
Romanian border. Life, for the Jews of the area, was difficult, as pogroms -
violent acts of tyranny by soldiers and Christian citizens threatened their
lives and property. In addition, the majority of the shtettels were
inhabited by mostly poor Jews who lived >from day to day under adverse living
and sanitary conditions. Thus, it was not unusual that Bela succumbed to
cholera in an epidemic in 1890. She left behind an unskilled husband and
children ranging in age >from eleven to nineteen."

"Shortly after Bela's death, Itsig married Malka Pollock. In 1891, fearing
pogroms and more epidemics, Ilya and his sisters Sarah (BERNSTEIN) and
Minnie (SKOLNIK) (and their husbands), began the voyage that would take them
half-way around the world to America. The sisters took Ilya with them to
keep him >from the dreaded conscription into the Army. Traveling without
passports they went first to the Austria-Hungarian border, where they were
hidden in barns to wait their turn for passage on the train to Hamburg,
Germany."

"With little more than $34. for the voyage, the steerage passengers arrived
at Locust Point in Baltimore after a grueling 18-day voyage in the filthy,
smelly hold of the ship."

"Granddaddy's father, Isaac Mazor, had entered the port of Baltimore,
October 13, 1893, on a ship named 'The Dresden.' His name and that of his
wife appear on a passenger list as Itzig and Malka Masur. Hes was listed as
a laborer and she as a schneider (sewer)."

Isaac MAZOR died in Baltimore in 1918. Malka (Molly) died in 1954. The
descendents of Isaac MAZOR have relocated all over the US, but many still
remain in Baltimore. Mazor Furniture, started by Louis (Ilya) MAZOR is still
in business, although not as large as it was in the the 1920's when Louis
was running it.

Hilda's reference to the town of Schwartze Tiffel, which means black
church. Typical of Jewish humor of the time, the town was probably Bila
Tserkva (White Church), now in the Ukraine.

Although this is Bila Tserkva is far >from Kovno, I hope that this
information will relate to Michelle's research or that of someone else. I
have not been able to locate Isaac MAZOR's grave, although I have tried, so
that I can determine the name of his father and perhaps open another door.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
Researching:
KULPE, SOMMERS: Lithuania, Whales, Birmingham AL, Baltimore, MD
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT, GOLDSTEIN: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus, Newtown,CT, NYC

I'm still searching for my Uncle Morris LIEBERMAN, born in 1891 in
Swislowitz, Russia, and who came to the states between 1911 and 1917. He
came after my Uncle Max in 1911 and he served in WWI. The only info I have
about Uncle Morris is he was >from Swislowitz, Russia (Uncle Max spelled it
Zvistrich), which is now Swisloch in Belarus. He made his way to the states
through Japan. I assume that he landed in Seattle, WA. My info is so poor it
would be besheret if anyone can help me. I'm looking for the lists for
immigrant ships >from Japan to U.S. and am posting this message with the hope
someone can direct me on how to find this information. I have no idea how
many ships came >from Japan with Russian passengers during those years, but
it must have been many.

I know Uncle Morris lived in New York - first in Brooklyn and then in
Manhattan. In searching NARA in NY, I found a list of 4 Morris LIEBERMANs in
NY showing a Declaration of Intent, but I can't order each one. Is there
anyone who could look up this information at NARA in NY?

My grandparents were Shimshon and Alte Neome Ain LIEBERMAN.

Uncle Morris kept the surname LIEBERMAN, while his brothers, my Dad, Sam
(Samuel Isaiah) and Uncle Max changed theirs to LEAF.

Please reply privately.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@aol.com or rlberliner@comcast.net

Michelle Frager wrote:
Though not a true ancestral family of mine, Selma/Zelda MAZUR/MAZIN or
similar was my g'father Shmuel FRAKT's first wife. <snip> Were the
MAZUR/MAZINs?"

Like Michelle, the MAZOR family is not my ancestors, but since they are
ancestors of my step children, I have been tracking them. >from their cousin,
Hilda PERL GOODWIN, I have obtained considerable information about Isaac
Hirsch MAZOR and his descendents.

"Isaac Masur and Bela Lande were married in about 1870 and raised their five
children, Maltzie, Sarah, Minnie, Louis, and Sophie, in Schwartz Tiffel, a
shtettel in Kiew giberny in the southwestern area of the Ukraine, near the
Romanian border. Life, for the Jews of the area, was difficult, as pogroms -
violent acts of tyranny by soldiers and Christian citizens threatened their
lives and property. In addition, the majority of the shtettels were
inhabited by mostly poor Jews who lived >from day to day under adverse living
and sanitary conditions. Thus, it was not unusual that Bela succumbed to
cholera in an epidemic in 1890. She left behind an unskilled husband and
children ranging in age >from eleven to nineteen."

"Shortly after Bela's death, Itsig married Malka Pollock. In 1891, fearing
pogroms and more epidemics, Ilya and his sisters Sarah (BERNSTEIN) and
Minnie (SKOLNIK) (and their husbands), began the voyage that would take them
half-way around the world to America. The sisters took Ilya with them to
keep him >from the dreaded conscription into the Army. Traveling without
passports they went first to the Austria-Hungarian border, where they were
hidden in barns to wait their turn for passage on the train to Hamburg,
Germany."

"With little more than $34. for the voyage, the steerage passengers arrived
at Locust Point in Baltimore after a grueling 18-day voyage in the filthy,
smelly hold of the ship."

"Granddaddy's father, Isaac Mazor, had entered the port of Baltimore,
October 13, 1893, on a ship named 'The Dresden.' His name and that of his
wife appear on a passenger list as Itzig and Malka Masur. Hes was listed as
a laborer and she as a schneider (sewer)."

Isaac MAZOR died in Baltimore in 1918. Malka (Molly) died in 1954. The
descendents of Isaac MAZOR have relocated all over the US, but many still
remain in Baltimore. Mazor Furniture, started by Louis (Ilya) MAZOR is still
in business, although not as large as it was in the the 1920's when Louis
was running it.

Hilda's reference to the town of Schwartze Tiffel, which means black
church. Typical of Jewish humor of the time, the town was probably Bila
Tserkva (White Church), now in the Ukraine.

Although this is Bila Tserkva is far >from Kovno, I hope that this
information will relate to Michelle's research or that of someone else. I
have not been able to locate Isaac MAZOR's grave, although I have tried, so
that I can determine the name of his father and perhaps open another door.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
Researching:
KULPE, SOMMERS: Lithuania, Whales, Birmingham AL, Baltimore, MD
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT, GOLDSTEIN: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus, Newtown,CT, NYC

I'm still searching for my Uncle Morris LIEBERMAN, born in 1891 in
Swislowitz, Russia, and who came to the states between 1911 and 1917. He
came after my Uncle Max in 1911 and he served in WWI. The only info I have
about Uncle Morris is he was >from Swislowitz, Russia (Uncle Max spelled it
Zvistrich), which is now Swisloch in Belarus. He made his way to the states
through Japan. I assume that he landed in Seattle, WA. My info is so poor it
would be besheret if anyone can help me. I'm looking for the lists for
immigrant ships >from Japan to U.S. and am posting this message with the hope
someone can direct me on how to find this information. I have no idea how
many ships came >from Japan with Russian passengers during those years, but
it must have been many.

I know Uncle Morris lived in New York - first in Brooklyn and then in
Manhattan. In searching NARA in NY, I found a list of 4 Morris LIEBERMANs in
NY showing a Declaration of Intent, but I can't order each one. Is there
anyone who could look up this information at NARA in NY?

My grandparents were Shimshon and Alte Neome Ain LIEBERMAN.

Uncle Morris kept the surname LIEBERMAN, while his brothers, my Dad, Sam
(Samuel Isaiah) and Uncle Max changed theirs to LEAF.

Please reply privately.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@aol.com or rlberliner@comcast.net

Perhaps Toby RODNEY could be persuaded to share the entire translation of the
army service records as a newlsetter item? This is the first I've heard of
actually being able to pinpoint these records. It'd be great to see what
kind of info can be extracted if you actually find one....

Adam Davis
Chicago, Pinsk

Perhaps Toby RODNEY could be persuaded to share the entire translation of the
army service records as a newlsetter item? This is the first I've heard of
actually being able to pinpoint these records. It'd be great to see what
kind of info can be extracted if you actually find one....

Adam Davis
Chicago, Pinsk

With the loss of Steve Moss's WEB site searching the EIDB has become much
more difficult!

Does anyone know of a site where I can find suggested alternate name
spellings? I have exhausted my imagination trying to find alternate
spellings for the name FISH.


Michael Kaplan
Michael-kaplan@worldnet.att.net

With the loss of Steve Moss's WEB site searching the EIDB has become much
more difficult!

Does anyone know of a site where I can find suggested alternate name
spellings? I have exhausted my imagination trying to find alternate
spellings for the name FISH.


Michael Kaplan
Michael-kaplan@worldnet.att.net

My Grandfather, Harris Brockman and his wife, Rachel Wurtenmacher came >from
either Moldavia or Belarus. They emigrated to London, England in 1917.
Reportedly, the family says they came >from Kishinev, but there are no
documents to support this. I had hired a geneologist in England to help me,
but with little luck I'm afraid. Is anyone researching these two names,
Thanks, Colin Brockman

i have asked before , but a long time ago. my ggf manifest >from 1876 says he
was >from FRIDARD RUSSIA. i ahve never been able to find any shtetl that even
slightly resembles that name. very few anywhere even start with an "F". any
clues?
lynn
baltimore
RESEARCHING : WEISBERG

My Grandfather, Harris Brockman and his wife, Rachel Wurtenmacher came >from
either Moldavia or Belarus. They emigrated to London, England in 1917.
Reportedly, the family says they came >from Kishinev, but there are no
documents to support this. I had hired a geneologist in England to help me,
but with little luck I'm afraid. Is anyone researching these two names,
Thanks, Colin Brockman

i have asked before , but a long time ago. my ggf manifest >from 1876 says he
was >from FRIDARD RUSSIA. i ahve never been able to find any shtetl that even
slightly resembles that name. very few anywhere even start with an "F". any
clues?
lynn
baltimore
RESEARCHING : WEISBERG

Our Belarus SIG Newsletter has just received eight (8) wonderful articles
translated >from the Russian Journal: East European Jewish Affairs.

We are anxious to see them in print. They need someone who can convert them
to HTML so that we can publish them "live".

They are presently in "WORD" with footnotes. These will have to be converted
to endnotes and the numbering system re-done. Otherwise they are ready for
conversion.

Please help.
If you think you need us, WE need you.

Nancy Holden
Project Coordinator Belarus SIG

Our Belarus SIG Newsletter has just received eight (8) wonderful articles
translated >from the Russian Journal: East European Jewish Affairs.

We are anxious to see them in print. They need someone who can convert them
to HTML so that we can publish them "live".

They are presently in "WORD" with footnotes. These will have to be converted
to endnotes and the numbering system re-done. Otherwise they are ready for
conversion.

Please help.
If you think you need us, WE need you.

Nancy Holden
Project Coordinator Belarus SIG

I have posted a photograph of a gravestone that I recently received. I
believe that the stone marks the gravesite of Abram Bronsztejn and
memorializes the deaths of his wife, Rosa and daughter, Frida. The family
lived in Warsaw; Rosa and Frida were last heard >from in June 1941 while they
were in the Warsaw ghetto. I assume that the stone is in a Warsaw cemtery,
but am not sure. It may have been erected by the son after the war, but
again am not sure.

I am trying to identify the location of the grave, does anyone recognize the
stone? the arch in back? Have any suggestions? Please view at ViewMate
VM1824.
Thanks

Toby Brief, Campton, New Hampshire
tbrief@hotmail.com

Olyka: HORWITZ, FINKLESTEIN, MATHLESS, ERGA, GINGBURG, GORBATY
Horchiv(Gorokhov): AUERBACH (AVERBUCH), REICHER, RABINOWITZ
Rozhishche: AUERBACH, GOLDWEBER
Torcin: BRONSTEIN, WEISBERG
Volodymyr, Zaslav, Mikhlya: BRIEF, BURACK

Hi. I have posted 3 items in Russian that I would like some help
translating please.

The first 2 items (VM 1827 and 1828) I think are birth certificates.

The 3rd item (VM 1829) was written at the bottom of my great-uncle
Louis's draft papers.

Any help translating these documents would be greatly appreciated.

To view please go to

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please send translations directly to me at janin-usa@snet.net or
snjanin@yahoo.com

Thank you very very much for taking time to help.

Sally Novak Janin
Middlebury, CT, USA

I'm interested in a Marco KOHEN who lived at XX Allen St. in NYC, at least
as of 1920. He had a nephew Rudolph Rousso who immigrated to the U.S. in
1920 >from Izmir, Turkey.

Other names involved might be Gelardino (Djelardini), Algranati and Gabai.

Respond privately.

Thanks,

Steve Gabai

Researching:

ABOUAF, ALGRANATI (ALGRANTI), BINDER, CARMONA, CHASAN (any spelling),
FINKELSTEIN (NYC), GABAI (GABBAI - GABAY), GREENBAUM (Odessa), GREENBERG
(Bialystok/Wasilkow), INSKY, MUSSAF (NJ), PERLSTEIN (PEARLSTEIN),
RATOVETSKY, ROUSSO (RUSSO) (Italy/Turkey), SCHIMSKY (SCHIMKE - SCHYMSKER -
SCHETZENSKY), SCHRAPATZ (SKROPOTICH), SHWARTZ, (SCHWARTZ), SILVER, SPECTOR

An amazing thing has happened. The wonderful Dr. Norman Weinberg who is
responsible for the restoration of the Suwalki, Poland Jewish Cemetery, made an
inquiry about restoration of the Mogielnica (Warsaw Gubernia) Cemetery. We do
not yet know who is responsible, however, the work has already begun. Norman
just sent me photos of two Ohels built on the property. I wept as I viewed
them since the cemetery, when I last visited, was a forest and all tombstones
totally destroyed. We are dreaming/hoping/ planning to fence in this cemetery
and put up a single monument in memory of the lost little shtetl and the once
vibrant Jewish community that lived there. Further work will begin next spring
and perhaps a group of us can go to Mogielnica and dedicate the cemetery of our
ancestors.

Descendants of Mogielnica, who wish to be a part of this project and honor the
memory of our mutual ancestors, kindly contact me.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI
Email: BetteJoy@aol.com