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Re: Why the Name Change? #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

I would trust both the manifest and your Grandmother about the names of your
gr grandmother.

Our ancestors often had many names! Among the various languages used in the
area they came from: Yiddish, Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Belarussian,
whatever, they used different names. Sometimes the names were similar,
sometimes not.

When they came to the US (or to any other country) they took another name
according to fashion and their liking. My gr grandmother, who I always
heard was Rachel, was Regina on her marriage record. Her husband Bernhard
was born Baruch and used the name Barnett in Britain. The clerk in the New
York Archives did not find their marriage when I searched by mail, but I
found them right away-I know all their names.

So both could be right-it makes searching difficult, but it is a fact of
genealogy.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why the Name Change? #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

I would trust both the manifest and your Grandmother about the names of your
gr grandmother.

Our ancestors often had many names! Among the various languages used in the
area they came from: Yiddish, Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Belarussian,
whatever, they used different names. Sometimes the names were similar,
sometimes not.

When they came to the US (or to any other country) they took another name
according to fashion and their liking. My gr grandmother, who I always
heard was Rachel, was Regina on her marriage record. Her husband Bernhard
was born Baruch and used the name Barnett in Britain. The clerk in the New
York Archives did not find their marriage when I searched by mail, but I
found them right away-I know all their names.

So both could be right-it makes searching difficult, but it is a fact of
genealogy.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY

wholesale slopseller #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Keith

Though not >from the UK, here in Israel there are still some places not
connected to the central sewer system. Their sceptic (not sure I have the
right word) tank in the backyard has to be cleaned >from time to time. I
would guess that way back then there might have something similiar with
outhouses, use of "pots" cause there were no indoor toliets. If so the
person who collected it may have sold it .....
Just a guess.
Rose Feldman
rosef@...
EPSTEIN/BOYARSKY Amstiveva, Mstibov or Mstibovo or Mscibow (Belarus);
Ruzhany or maybe Rozhno; Petach Tikvah, Chicago, Argentine
GITNER/LULKIN/REZNIK Litin (Lityn) Ukraine,Kalinovka Ukraine, Israel,
Chicago
ILEWICKI/ILIWITSKY/ELEVITSKY Kusava Grodno Belarus
TREPMAN/SOJCHER/SLOVIK Warsaw, Israel
FELDMAN/LICHT Warsaw, Israel

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen wholesale slopseller #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Keith

Though not >from the UK, here in Israel there are still some places not
connected to the central sewer system. Their sceptic (not sure I have the
right word) tank in the backyard has to be cleaned >from time to time. I
would guess that way back then there might have something similiar with
outhouses, use of "pots" cause there were no indoor toliets. If so the
person who collected it may have sold it .....
Just a guess.
Rose Feldman
rosef@...
EPSTEIN/BOYARSKY Amstiveva, Mstibov or Mstibovo or Mscibow (Belarus);
Ruzhany or maybe Rozhno; Petach Tikvah, Chicago, Argentine
GITNER/LULKIN/REZNIK Litin (Lityn) Ukraine,Kalinovka Ukraine, Israel,
Chicago
ILEWICKI/ILIWITSKY/ELEVITSKY Kusava Grodno Belarus
TREPMAN/SOJCHER/SLOVIK Warsaw, Israel
FELDMAN/LICHT Warsaw, Israel

searching lists of american soldiers stationned at Toul #general

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear Genners,

Is it possible to find somewhere lists of american soldiers stationned at
Toul ( Lorraine/France) in the years 1955-1957 ?

Thank you for your answer.

Pierre KOGAN
kogan@...
Strasbourg, FRANCE

Searching for BRENNER family #general

katie <ak2727@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I am searching for the BRENNER family >from Ra'anana, Israel.
If anyone has this family lineage,
please contact me privately.

Thank you,
Katie Sobol
ak2727@...
(contact me privately)

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching lists of american soldiers stationned at Toul #general

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear Genners,

Is it possible to find somewhere lists of american soldiers stationned at
Toul ( Lorraine/France) in the years 1955-1957 ?

Thank you for your answer.

Pierre KOGAN
kogan@...
Strasbourg, FRANCE

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for BRENNER family #general

katie <ak2727@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I am searching for the BRENNER family >from Ra'anana, Israel.
If anyone has this family lineage,
please contact me privately.

Thank you,
Katie Sobol
ak2727@...
(contact me privately)

Improving the legibility of a tombstone photograph #general

MBernet@...
 

Tombstone inscriptions are often hard to read because of weathering, unequal
lighting, dirt or organic growth on the stone.

Ideally, the stone should be photographed when the trees have no leaves, and
the sun is slightly covered with clouds. Portable lighting might help, as
would large reflectors and umbrellas.

Unfortunately, that is not an option for most of us. We take whatever we get
and however we can get it. Fortunately, most graphics programs can help us
improve the legibility of an image. I use Microsoft Photo Editor, myself and
adjust color balance using the IMAGE menu. Very often, "autobalance" will
give me the best image with just one click. I might try to improve this by
variously heightening and lessening brightness, contrast and gamma, for the
entire spectrum at once, or for each shade separately. It doesn't matter
what weird colors I end up with, so long as I have maximum readability. I'll
end up with a photo that looks most like the original and one that gives me
the most readable image.

Two useful helps when deciphering tombstones inscribed in Hebrew. One is
downloading a calendar conversion program such as kaluach.com that gives the
Hebrew and English calendar with either Hebrew or English view, that can be
adjusted for any latitude and longitude to give you the critical time of
sunset so that you can more accurately determine the significance of the
Hebrew date if the time of death is recorded in paper documents. The other
is to prepare for yourself a chart of the Hebrew alphabet in a variety of
fonts so that you can consider a range of alternative letters that might fit
the image.

I recently paid for the restoration of the tombstones of my
greatgrandparents, Eva/Chava (nee Berg) BERNET, d. 1858, and Yomtov haLevi
("Jonathan") BERNET, d. 1876, both buried in the Zeckern cemetery of the
Adelsdorf community in Franconia (Bavaria). I struggled with interpreting
the worn letters of the two poetic Hebrew inscriptions. I made my best
guesses and posted queries to knowledgable genners on line. They were able to
correctly identify an unusual form of a word here, of a string of words
there, and even give me biblical references to the source of these words and
phrases. The mason sent me photographs of the stones after they had been
cleaned, and I was better able to discern how the entire stones were to be
read, based on the visual images and the suggested text. The carved
lettering was enhanced with a new coat of paint, and then the entire stone
was given a protective plastics-based coating, looking exactly as it did a
century and a half ago--and as it will look for another two or three
centuries.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>
seeking
WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Improving the legibility of a tombstone photograph #general

MBernet@...
 

Tombstone inscriptions are often hard to read because of weathering, unequal
lighting, dirt or organic growth on the stone.

Ideally, the stone should be photographed when the trees have no leaves, and
the sun is slightly covered with clouds. Portable lighting might help, as
would large reflectors and umbrellas.

Unfortunately, that is not an option for most of us. We take whatever we get
and however we can get it. Fortunately, most graphics programs can help us
improve the legibility of an image. I use Microsoft Photo Editor, myself and
adjust color balance using the IMAGE menu. Very often, "autobalance" will
give me the best image with just one click. I might try to improve this by
variously heightening and lessening brightness, contrast and gamma, for the
entire spectrum at once, or for each shade separately. It doesn't matter
what weird colors I end up with, so long as I have maximum readability. I'll
end up with a photo that looks most like the original and one that gives me
the most readable image.

Two useful helps when deciphering tombstones inscribed in Hebrew. One is
downloading a calendar conversion program such as kaluach.com that gives the
Hebrew and English calendar with either Hebrew or English view, that can be
adjusted for any latitude and longitude to give you the critical time of
sunset so that you can more accurately determine the significance of the
Hebrew date if the time of death is recorded in paper documents. The other
is to prepare for yourself a chart of the Hebrew alphabet in a variety of
fonts so that you can consider a range of alternative letters that might fit
the image.

I recently paid for the restoration of the tombstones of my
greatgrandparents, Eva/Chava (nee Berg) BERNET, d. 1858, and Yomtov haLevi
("Jonathan") BERNET, d. 1876, both buried in the Zeckern cemetery of the
Adelsdorf community in Franconia (Bavaria). I struggled with interpreting
the worn letters of the two poetic Hebrew inscriptions. I made my best
guesses and posted queries to knowledgable genners on line. They were able to
correctly identify an unusual form of a word here, of a string of words
there, and even give me biblical references to the source of these words and
phrases. The mason sent me photographs of the stones after they had been
cleaned, and I was better able to discern how the entire stones were to be
read, based on the visual images and the suggested text. The carved
lettering was enhanced with a new coat of paint, and then the entire stone
was given a protective plastics-based coating, looking exactly as it did a
century and a half ago--and as it will look for another two or three
centuries.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>
seeking
WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

OPPENHEIMER Family Research/ OPPENHEIMER Family Reunion #germany

jesseo@...
 

Hello everyone! I am joining the group right now, which is about the same
time I began the pursuit of genealogy and also my attempt to uncrack some
family mysteries. Thank you for your warm support! First and foremost I am
trying to locate info about Walter OPPENHEIMER, my grandfather, who (as far
as I know and all of this info is uncertain) relocated to New York, later
Philadelphia in January 1937 aboard the SS Manhattan >from Hamburg. He was
from Frankfurt/Heidelberg. I know his birth/death dates. Sponsoring him in
the US was his uncle Max DREYFUSS >from Brewster, New York. Walter's parents
(father I believe named Moritz, mother unknown) later shipped (possibly
from Dachau) to extermination camps. If anyone has info about these folks,
please respond!

I am planning to attend the OPPENHEIMER family reunion in Oppenheim,
Germany Sep 19-22 2002. Anyone else going or went to the last one?

Thank you all,

Jesse Oppenheimer
Los Angeles, California



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German SIG #Germany OPPENHEIMER Family Research/ OPPENHEIMER Family Reunion #germany

jesseo@...
 

Hello everyone! I am joining the group right now, which is about the same
time I began the pursuit of genealogy and also my attempt to uncrack some
family mysteries. Thank you for your warm support! First and foremost I am
trying to locate info about Walter OPPENHEIMER, my grandfather, who (as far
as I know and all of this info is uncertain) relocated to New York, later
Philadelphia in January 1937 aboard the SS Manhattan >from Hamburg. He was
from Frankfurt/Heidelberg. I know his birth/death dates. Sponsoring him in
the US was his uncle Max DREYFUSS >from Brewster, New York. Walter's parents
(father I believe named Moritz, mother unknown) later shipped (possibly
from Dachau) to extermination camps. If anyone has info about these folks,
please respond!

I am planning to attend the OPPENHEIMER family reunion in Oppenheim,
Germany Sep 19-22 2002. Anyone else going or went to the last one?

Thank you all,

Jesse Oppenheimer
Los Angeles, California



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1897 Ukmerge Census #general

Howard Margol
 

Someone did write me that the 1897 census for Ukmerge
is available. Will it include the city or the entire district.
Do we know all the shtetls included in the Ukmerge district
Thanks again.
Marcia Silberfarb

The exact inventory for the 1897 Census of the Vilkomir (Ukmerge) District is as follows;

Vilkomir (Ukmerge) District [834 families]
Andronishki [5 families]
Anyksciai [448 families]
Debeikiai [73 families]
Oloty [1 family]
Pagiria [6 famies]
Skudutiskis [12 families]
Utena [79 families]
Konstantinova [6 families]
Vilkomir City [195 families]
Vilkomir District - small rurals - [2 families]
Vizhuny [7 families]

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1897 Ukmerge Census #general

Howard Margol
 

Someone did write me that the 1897 census for Ukmerge
is available. Will it include the city or the entire district.
Do we know all the shtetls included in the Ukmerge district
Thanks again.
Marcia Silberfarb

The exact inventory for the 1897 Census of the Vilkomir (Ukmerge) District is as follows;

Vilkomir (Ukmerge) District [834 families]
Andronishki [5 families]
Anyksciai [448 families]
Debeikiai [73 families]
Oloty [1 family]
Pagiria [6 famies]
Skudutiskis [12 families]
Utena [79 families]
Konstantinova [6 families]
Vilkomir City [195 families]
Vilkomir District - small rurals - [2 families]
Vizhuny [7 families]

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

Lubowo/Lebova, Lithuania census challenge for about 1800 #general

LE01982@...
 

In Landsmen - July 2002 (Volume 12, Numbers 1-2),
several articles discuss the 1799-1800 Prussian Inventory
and the Jewish Suwalki in the First Half of
the 19th Century.

One article 'pegs' the Jewish census as 135 of the 492
people cited in the Prussian Inventory (circa 1799-1800)
for Bialystok Department.

I propose to organize a (complete) census for this
'135 people' group by soliciting info >from persons
who 'know' their ancestors came >from this town
circa 1800.

Info (birth dates, marriages, etc., for this 'select'
population) can be sorted into Excel to facilitate
sorting, & using Soundex alternatives.

Suggestions for organizing (and/or refining the database
elements) the same will be appreciated.

Interested? Please correspond with me.

My personal interest:
My ggg-grandfather, Rov 'Solomon Rienitz HOMBURG,'
1811-1891 (last name, HOMBURG, is noted on Sheffield,
England gravestone and indicates birthplace
in Hebrew letters as "Lebova").
Possibly his original family last name was REINHERTZ
or variant spellings, but we have no proof of this.
His sister,Rebecca, married a WIGRAM(SKI) and
she also immigrated to Sheffield (DOD is 1905).
Her son, Maurice WIGRAM, also came to Sheffield
in the latter third of the 19th century,
but specific immigration dates are unknown
for any of the above.

Mark ROSENHOLZ
Albany, NY
email: le01982@aol (pronounced as "ell-ee-zero-one-nine ... etc.)

Searching family ancestors: BLOCH/K >from Suwalki gubernia; ROSENHOLZ & LEVY >from Kalvaria; and
EIGER >from 'Suwalki gubernia' but near Kalvaria, Lithuania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lubowo/Lebova, Lithuania census challenge for about 1800 #general

LE01982@...
 

In Landsmen - July 2002 (Volume 12, Numbers 1-2),
several articles discuss the 1799-1800 Prussian Inventory
and the Jewish Suwalki in the First Half of
the 19th Century.

One article 'pegs' the Jewish census as 135 of the 492
people cited in the Prussian Inventory (circa 1799-1800)
for Bialystok Department.

I propose to organize a (complete) census for this
'135 people' group by soliciting info >from persons
who 'know' their ancestors came >from this town
circa 1800.

Info (birth dates, marriages, etc., for this 'select'
population) can be sorted into Excel to facilitate
sorting, & using Soundex alternatives.

Suggestions for organizing (and/or refining the database
elements) the same will be appreciated.

Interested? Please correspond with me.

My personal interest:
My ggg-grandfather, Rov 'Solomon Rienitz HOMBURG,'
1811-1891 (last name, HOMBURG, is noted on Sheffield,
England gravestone and indicates birthplace
in Hebrew letters as "Lebova").
Possibly his original family last name was REINHERTZ
or variant spellings, but we have no proof of this.
His sister,Rebecca, married a WIGRAM(SKI) and
she also immigrated to Sheffield (DOD is 1905).
Her son, Maurice WIGRAM, also came to Sheffield
in the latter third of the 19th century,
but specific immigration dates are unknown
for any of the above.

Mark ROSENHOLZ
Albany, NY
email: le01982@aol (pronounced as "ell-ee-zero-one-nine ... etc.)

Searching family ancestors: BLOCH/K >from Suwalki gubernia; ROSENHOLZ & LEVY >from Kalvaria; and
EIGER >from 'Suwalki gubernia' but near Kalvaria, Lithuania

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Re: Why the Name Change? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/10/2002 11:36:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sallybru@... writes:

<< I would trust both the manifest and your Grandmother about the names of
your
gr grandmother.

Our ancestors often had many names! Among the various languages used in the
area they came from: Yiddish, Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Belarussian,
whatever, they used different names. Sometimes the names were similar,
sometimes not. >>

==Very well said.

However, I must add some caution to the response
of Sally Bruckner. Transcriptions are generally
correct but depend on the clarity of the clerk's
handwriting and on the skill of the (volunteer)
transcriber. It is highly unlikely that anyon'e
grandmother or great grandmother was actually
name "M a r i e m l t e" in *any* language.
It is most likely a misreading.

The most likely form would have been Mariette or Marietta
-both of which would have given the name Etta as
used by the ancestor of the original quationner.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why the Name Change? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/10/2002 11:36:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sallybru@... writes:

<< I would trust both the manifest and your Grandmother about the names of
your
gr grandmother.

Our ancestors often had many names! Among the various languages used in the
area they came from: Yiddish, Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Belarussian,
whatever, they used different names. Sometimes the names were similar,
sometimes not. >>

==Very well said.

However, I must add some caution to the response
of Sally Bruckner. Transcriptions are generally
correct but depend on the clarity of the clerk's
handwriting and on the skill of the (volunteer)
transcriber. It is highly unlikely that anyon'e
grandmother or great grandmother was actually
name "M a r i e m l t e" in *any* language.
It is most likely a misreading.

The most likely form would have been Mariette or Marietta
-both of which would have given the name Etta as
used by the ancestor of the original quationner.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER

Viewmate 1689 Rashi Tomstone inscription #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted two incriptions of a tomstone >from the old jewish cemetery in Prague. I am trying to find a possible ancestor but am not sure about all the words and especially names.

Please go to http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

Please don't reply to the list but directly to my address.
Thanks in advance,
Peter zimmer
Germany

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Direct link to Viewmate entry:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate 1689 Rashi Tomstone inscription #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted two incriptions of a tomstone >from the old jewish cemetery in Prague. I am trying to find a possible ancestor but am not sure about all the words and especially names.

Please go to http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

Please don't reply to the list but directly to my address.
Thanks in advance,
Peter zimmer
Germany

MODERATOR NOTE:
Direct link to Viewmate entry:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1689.html