Thanks for these comments, Joyce. I would love to know how they put it
on CD and if the quality is any good. We tried that with the Herder
films we bought and could not get the images consistently visible. Have
you actually investigated the CDs for consistency? Martha

In addition, if there are large amounts of data to be worked on >from a
series of films, the FHL may agree to put these records on a CD-ROM,
which is sent to me to be distributed to the interested SIG. There is a
contractual arrangement between the FHL and JewishGen on the subsequent
indexed data.

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, PhD
President SIGLatvia

Thanks for these comments, Joyce. I would love to know how they put it
on CD and if the quality is any good. We tried that with the Herder
films we bought and could not get the images consistently visible. Have
you actually investigated the CDs for consistency? Martha

In addition, if there are large amounts of data to be worked on >from a
series of films, the FHL may agree to put these records on a CD-ROM,
which is sent to me to be distributed to the interested SIG. There is a
contractual arrangement between the FHL and JewishGen on the subsequent
indexed data.

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, PhD
President SIGLatvia

Rita Bogdanova has kindly sent this response .

In 1882-4 many Lithuanian Jews - mostly >from Kovno province (not
known whether living in Latvia or just coming >from Lithuania) were adopted
by the families of Jews belonging to Riga. They used to adopt grown up
persons which already had their own families. After the adoption these
"children" and families were listed by the Riga Tax Administration as also
belonging to Riga. So they had all the same rights.

In the beginning of 1890's the government was worried about the increased
amount of the Jewish inhabitants in Courland and Lievland and decided
to check up on all the population and to expel all the Jews who were not
listed in the revision of April 3, 1880 as living in Courland or Lievland.
So all the adopted families were removed >from the family lists of Riga Jews
as listed by mistake and sent back to Lithuania.
It is still not known for sure whether they all really went to Lithuania or
stayed in Riga because we have found some families as still living in Riga
by 1900.

The lists of Jews originated not >from Courland for 1890-1893 were made also
to check up on who >from them had the right to live there.

Rita Bogdanova
Archivist

Original message:

>Dear folks,
>
>Census records and family lore indicate that my REST / RESHT family lived in
>Courland, Riga and Libau. (Solomon was born in 1881, Courland). However,
>the only reference to a REST family I find though the databases online is in
>the All Lithuania Databasa which indicates that this family lived in Plunge
>and Ukmerge shtetls in Kaunas guberniya in Lithuania (just south of Riga).
>(Solomon shows up on the 1899 HaMelitz records as living in Kaunas,
>Lithuania, others in Plunge and Ukmerge.)
>
> I did find a reference (All Lithuania Database Revision Lists) in
describing
>the Revision Lists that referred to:
>
>""Jews originally >from Kaunas Gubernya who were expelled >from Riga, Latvia"
>and a host of other lists showing the mobility of our ancestors."
>
>Might this refer to my relatives? Does anyone know of the explusion that
>this refers to?
>
>Does anyone have any other thoughts on why my supposedly Latvian relatives
>turned up in Lithuania? I am pretty certain that this one family of RESTS
>( the only one that I find ANYWHERE) is indeed my family since the first
>names and dates correspond so closely. Also, apparently many Plungians
ended
>up going to South Africa, and there is a branch of RESTs that did go there.
>(I have yet to find them...)
>
>Thanks for any help!
>Elaine Bush
>Pleasant Hill, CA

Rita Bogdanova has kindly sent this response .

In 1882-4 many Lithuanian Jews - mostly >from Kovno province (not
known whether living in Latvia or just coming >from Lithuania) were adopted
by the families of Jews belonging to Riga. They used to adopt grown up
persons which already had their own families. After the adoption these
"children" and families were listed by the Riga Tax Administration as also
belonging to Riga. So they had all the same rights.

In the beginning of 1890's the government was worried about the increased
amount of the Jewish inhabitants in Courland and Lievland and decided
to check up on all the population and to expel all the Jews who were not
listed in the revision of April 3, 1880 as living in Courland or Lievland.
So all the adopted families were removed >from the family lists of Riga Jews
as listed by mistake and sent back to Lithuania.
It is still not known for sure whether they all really went to Lithuania or
stayed in Riga because we have found some families as still living in Riga
by 1900.

The lists of Jews originated not >from Courland for 1890-1893 were made also
to check up on who >from them had the right to live there.

Rita Bogdanova
Archivist

Original message:

>Dear folks,
>
>Census records and family lore indicate that my REST / RESHT family lived in
>Courland, Riga and Libau. (Solomon was born in 1881, Courland). However,
>the only reference to a REST family I find though the databases online is in
>the All Lithuania Databasa which indicates that this family lived in Plunge
>and Ukmerge shtetls in Kaunas guberniya in Lithuania (just south of Riga).
>(Solomon shows up on the 1899 HaMelitz records as living in Kaunas,
>Lithuania, others in Plunge and Ukmerge.)
>
> I did find a reference (All Lithuania Database Revision Lists) in
describing
>the Revision Lists that referred to:
>
>""Jews originally >from Kaunas Gubernya who were expelled >from Riga, Latvia"
>and a host of other lists showing the mobility of our ancestors."
>
>Might this refer to my relatives? Does anyone know of the explusion that
>this refers to?
>
>Does anyone have any other thoughts on why my supposedly Latvian relatives
>turned up in Lithuania? I am pretty certain that this one family of RESTS
>( the only one that I find ANYWHERE) is indeed my family since the first
>names and dates correspond so closely. Also, apparently many Plungians
ended
>up going to South Africa, and there is a branch of RESTs that did go there.
>(I have yet to find them...)
>
>Thanks for any help!
>Elaine Bush
>Pleasant Hill, CA

Somewhere I heard that in Eastern Europe, that is someone had
two hebrew names, the first one was generally their hebrew name,
and the second his Yiddish name. For example, my ggggrandfather's
hebrew name was Yisroel Avroham. According to this, he would have
gone by the name Avram, and not Yisroel Avram.
Has anyone ever heard of this? Any help or suggestions would be
*greatly* appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Brown

Never heard of it, but answers at least one question formed >from
the kind translations of my great grandparents' gravestones: My
mother's mother's father, >from Latvia, was known to all as either
Morris or Mendel. His tombstone pays tribute to Menachem Mendel,
which crossed my eyes a little, having never seen the name Menachem
connected with him.

On the other hand, and with a typically frustrating touch, my
mother's father's father, >from Poland, and known as Isidor(e) and
sometimes Israel, is Yitzak Feivel on his stone, thus switching and
distorting the hypothesis.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY)
KUNST (Grodno, PA)
PHILLIPS (DADACZ, DUDACZ, ISIDOR, EISENDOR), PSCHEDESKY (Poland, UK, NY)

Thanks to all who responded to my request for a German translation.

I have received multiple translations and now know what I need to
do. No further translations are needed.

Thank you,

Rob Weisskirch

This is in reply to David Kravitz's inquiries about accessing
Yad Vashem records. In the JewishGen InfoFiles he can find a
recently updated file on Yad Vashem, at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/YadVashem.htm >.

There are many wonderful resources on the JewishGen site available
for all researchers.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org

Somewhere I heard that in Eastern Europe, that is someone had
two hebrew names, the first one was generally their hebrew name,
and the second his Yiddish name. For example, my ggggrandfather's
hebrew name was Yisroel Avroham. According to this, he would have
gone by the name Avram, and not Yisroel Avram.
Has anyone ever heard of this? Any help or suggestions would be
*greatly* appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Brown

Never heard of it, but answers at least one question formed >from
the kind translations of my great grandparents' gravestones: My
mother's mother's father, >from Latvia, was known to all as either
Morris or Mendel. His tombstone pays tribute to Menachem Mendel,
which crossed my eyes a little, having never seen the name Menachem
connected with him.

On the other hand, and with a typically frustrating touch, my
mother's father's father, >from Poland, and known as Isidor(e) and
sometimes Israel, is Yitzak Feivel on his stone, thus switching and
distorting the hypothesis.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY)
KUNST (Grodno, PA)
PHILLIPS (DADACZ, DUDACZ, ISIDOR, EISENDOR), PSCHEDESKY (Poland, UK, NY)

Thanks to all who responded to my request for a German translation.

I have received multiple translations and now know what I need to
do. No further translations are needed.

Thank you,

Rob Weisskirch

This is in reply to David Kravitz's inquiries about accessing
Yad Vashem records. In the JewishGen InfoFiles he can find a
recently updated file on Yad Vashem, at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/YadVashem.htm >.

There are many wonderful resources on the JewishGen site available
for all researchers.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org

I found a wonderful dictionary which gives full citations that
allow you to identify the idiomatic usage --and it worked perfectly!!
The site is: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/. Of course you will need
to have a sense of what you are reading -- so if it is, for example,
a testimony of a witness for verification of the death/disappearance
of someone (which is what my document was)-- then that is the context
and will influence your choice of meanings. But it did work well.

Rob Weisskirch wrote:
>Subject: German translation needed--not word for word--just content
>From: "Rob Weisskirch" <rob_weisskirch@csumb.edu>

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium),
FURMAN (Pyatkovko/Odessa), FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/
Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)

I was wondering if any one here can can help me.
If someone was refused entry to the United States
and sent back to Europe how do I find out where he was
sent back to and on which ship? His name is Nuchem
KAUF he arrived March 16 1914 >from Hamburg Germany on
the ship Pretoria. He was >from Woloizzek in Russia. He
was 18 and single. That is all the information I know
about him but anymore would be appreciated. Thank you
in advance for your help.

Moshe Schaeffer

Help Can anyone suggest a good and reasonble priced translator
of Polish and Russian
Thank You

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

I found a wonderful dictionary which gives full citations that
allow you to identify the idiomatic usage --and it worked perfectly!!
The site is: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/. Of course you will need
to have a sense of what you are reading -- so if it is, for example,
a testimony of a witness for verification of the death/disappearance
of someone (which is what my document was)-- then that is the context
and will influence your choice of meanings. But it did work well.

Rob Weisskirch wrote:
>Subject: German translation needed--not word for word--just content
>From: "Rob Weisskirch" <rob_weisskirch@csumb.edu>

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium),
FURMAN (Pyatkovko/Odessa), FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/
Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)

I was wondering if any one here can can help me.
If someone was refused entry to the United States
and sent back to Europe how do I find out where he was
sent back to and on which ship? His name is Nuchem
KAUF he arrived March 16 1914 >from Hamburg Germany on
the ship Pretoria. He was >from Woloizzek in Russia. He
was 18 and single. That is all the information I know
about him but anymore would be appreciated. Thank you
in advance for your help.

Moshe Schaeffer

Help Can anyone suggest a good and reasonble priced translator
of Polish and Russian
Thank You

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

I am hoping that someone will have some information as to where I can locate
records for Brody, Ukraine (Poland) for the years 1865-early 1900's. I have
searched high and low, hired a researcher and written to the archive in
L'viv as well as other archives in Poland, but have had no success. Does
anyone know if these records exist and where they might be found?

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

Researching: WILDER, HONIG(HOENIG/CHENIG), HELFER, ZINKER/ZINKOWER - Brody,
Ukraine (Poland)

Dear Scott

In the years 1930 there were only two gymnasium ( high school)for jewish girls in Warsaw . Probably they already existed in 1908.
One was Gymnasium Rozenfeldowa where my mother was a student in 1934-1936.

You might also look at the 1929 business book of Poland ( I did not have time to look at it for the gymanasium yet)
Best regards
Nicole Berline, Paris

Can anyone give information about the 2nd Women's Gymnasium of Warsaw?
I recently obtained the 1908 copy of a great aunt's final report card from
this school. She is >from Vilnius. I am not sure why she would go to

school

in Warsaw.

Scott Noar

I am hoping that someone will have some information as to where I can locate
records for Brody, Ukraine (Poland) for the years 1865-early 1900's. I have
searched high and low, hired a researcher and written to the archive in
L'viv as well as other archives in Poland, but have had no success. Does
anyone know if these records exist and where they might be found?

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

Researching: WILDER, HONIG(HOENIG/CHENIG), HELFER, ZINKER/ZINKOWER - Brody,
Ukraine (Poland)

Dear Scott

In the years 1930 there were only two gymnasium ( high school)for jewish girls in Warsaw . Probably they already existed in 1908.
One was Gymnasium Rozenfeldowa where my mother was a student in 1934-1936.

You might also look at the 1929 business book of Poland ( I did not have time to look at it for the gymanasium yet)
Best regards
Nicole Berline, Paris

Can anyone give information about the 2nd Women's Gymnasium of Warsaw?
I recently obtained the 1908 copy of a great aunt's final report card from
this school. She is >from Vilnius. I am not sure why she would go to

school

in Warsaw.

Scott Noar