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Re: Difficult Research Problems in London #unitedkingdom

Menno & Renée Nykerk <menno-renee@...>
 

Hi Sylvia,
Thanks for the information on the Next and Previous Household option in the=
=20
1881 UK census search on http://familysearch.org
Redfaced for not having noticed it before. It is just great.

Regards
Menno


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re:Difficult Research Problems in London #unitedkingdom

Menno & Renée Nykerk <menno-renee@...>
 

Hi Sylvia,
Thanks for the information on the Next and Previous Household option in the=
=20
1881 UK census search on http://familysearch.org
Redfaced for not having noticed it before. It is just great.

Regards
Menno


New from JewishGen - Greece and Brooklyn! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

The latest publisher to be added to the JewishGenMall
http://www.jewishgenmall.org has provided us with an important book for
those of you with a Greek heritage, and another for everyone who wants to
know more about how our ancestors lived when they first arrived here.

It is entitled "The Holocaust in Salonika - Eyewitness Accounts" and it
presents three of the basic sources for the post-war memory of the Holocaust
among Salonikan Jews. They constitute the first official witnesses of those
tragic years. Yomtov Yacoel was the lawyer for the community and liaison
with the Nazi civilian representatives. Dr. Matarasso was the post-war
physician for the survivors in Salonika. His report includes the earliest
eyewitness stories of the fate of the Jews in Auschwitz.
Salomon Uziel provides the unique perspective of a community leader and his
fate after the war.
The book was translated >from the Greek and Judeo-Spanish by Dr. Isaac
Benmayor and edited by Steven B. Bowman. It is in hardcover and has 302
pages. You can simply type in BLP101 into the space under Title on the
first page of the mall to find more information.

As an example of the diversity offered through the Mall, you might consider
"Brownsville" (BLP102) which tells the story of the birth, development and
passing of a Jewish community in New York City. You see, as though actually
there the teeming, colorful, close-knit community known at its height as
'the Jerusalem of America' with its pushcart vendors, street-corner orators,
the housewives in the sawdust-strewn poultry markets skeptically pinching
the breast of the live, trussed chickens brought out for inspection. Alter
F. Landesman has brought all these old memories to life in this paperback.

Both books are only available for delivery in the U.S. and Canada.

Enjoy!

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Managers, JewishGenMall


Organizing Records Effectively #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

I use a very simple file system, which seems to be very effective so
far. I can always find what I want very quickly. It also helps that
my computer is right next to my file cabinet, allowing me to lean over
to grab whatever I need.

Here's what I do:

I start with a hanging file folder for each major surname. Within that
surname group, I make folders for each type of record I have, such as
ship's manifests, birth certificates, and marriage licenses. I file
each folder in alphabetical order, adding additional hanging files as
needed. I also include a folder for each surname called "work in
progress", where I put the various notes I accumulate about ideas and
information which require further research.

As I accumulate information on other surnames, I start a new hanging
folder for each, following the same pattern.

It's simple, but works very well for me. I hope this is helpful.

PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA


Ellis Island plaque for Bessie GABRIEL / 1920 census info #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

Dina writes: How can Bessie GABRIEL, who is listed as having been
processed through Ellis Island, show up as born in the US on a census
report?

I can think of two possibilities. One, the informant for the census
was incorrect about her birthplace. Two, she and her parent or parents
returned to the homeland and then back to the US, where they, being
aliens were processed and so was she. (Perhaps they did not have her
birth certificate.) This is not so unlikely, since in my own family,
my ggfs both traveled to and >from Europe to the US numerous times and
are listed on more than one ship's manifest.

Perhaps more research is needed.

PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA


Re: Patrynomic #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Michael Berey <michael.berey@verizon.net> wrote:

Could someone please explain the usage of the term Patrynomic
A patronymic is a name derived >from that of the father. For example,
in a typical Russian name "Mikhail Sergeievich Gorbachev" the second
name is a patronymic: it means "son of Sergei", and signifies that
this man's father's first name was Sergei. Many Jewish family names
originated as patronymics: for example, my family name was originally
Israelovici, and became my great-grandfather's last name because his
father's first name was Israel. This was quite typical in Romania,
where the modern-style family name was not universally adopted until late
in the 19th century.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Belastrek, Russia #general

carols
 

Has anyone heard of Belastrek? Just found some Solontz (Zolonz) family
members in the EIDB and they list Belastrek as their home. Is it in
the same area as Minsk because my Solontz relatives supposedly came from
Minsk to the USA between 1901 and 1910? Thanks for any help you can
give me.

Carol Streem Cleveland, Ohio
Solonts/Solontz/Salant...Minsk>NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New from JewishGen - Greece and Brooklyn! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

The latest publisher to be added to the JewishGenMall
http://www.jewishgenmall.org has provided us with an important book for
those of you with a Greek heritage, and another for everyone who wants to
know more about how our ancestors lived when they first arrived here.

It is entitled "The Holocaust in Salonika - Eyewitness Accounts" and it
presents three of the basic sources for the post-war memory of the Holocaust
among Salonikan Jews. They constitute the first official witnesses of those
tragic years. Yomtov Yacoel was the lawyer for the community and liaison
with the Nazi civilian representatives. Dr. Matarasso was the post-war
physician for the survivors in Salonika. His report includes the earliest
eyewitness stories of the fate of the Jews in Auschwitz.
Salomon Uziel provides the unique perspective of a community leader and his
fate after the war.
The book was translated >from the Greek and Judeo-Spanish by Dr. Isaac
Benmayor and edited by Steven B. Bowman. It is in hardcover and has 302
pages. You can simply type in BLP101 into the space under Title on the
first page of the mall to find more information.

As an example of the diversity offered through the Mall, you might consider
"Brownsville" (BLP102) which tells the story of the birth, development and
passing of a Jewish community in New York City. You see, as though actually
there the teeming, colorful, close-knit community known at its height as
'the Jerusalem of America' with its pushcart vendors, street-corner orators,
the housewives in the sawdust-strewn poultry markets skeptically pinching
the breast of the live, trussed chickens brought out for inspection. Alter
F. Landesman has brought all these old memories to life in this paperback.

Both books are only available for delivery in the U.S. and Canada.

Enjoy!

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Managers, JewishGenMall


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Organizing Records Effectively #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

I use a very simple file system, which seems to be very effective so
far. I can always find what I want very quickly. It also helps that
my computer is right next to my file cabinet, allowing me to lean over
to grab whatever I need.

Here's what I do:

I start with a hanging file folder for each major surname. Within that
surname group, I make folders for each type of record I have, such as
ship's manifests, birth certificates, and marriage licenses. I file
each folder in alphabetical order, adding additional hanging files as
needed. I also include a folder for each surname called "work in
progress", where I put the various notes I accumulate about ideas and
information which require further research.

As I accumulate information on other surnames, I start a new hanging
folder for each, following the same pattern.

It's simple, but works very well for me. I hope this is helpful.

PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island plaque for Bessie GABRIEL / 1920 census info #general

Barbara Sloan <jeanne4_98@...>
 

Dina writes: How can Bessie GABRIEL, who is listed as having been
processed through Ellis Island, show up as born in the US on a census
report?

I can think of two possibilities. One, the informant for the census
was incorrect about her birthplace. Two, she and her parent or parents
returned to the homeland and then back to the US, where they, being
aliens were processed and so was she. (Perhaps they did not have her
birth certificate.) This is not so unlikely, since in my own family,
my ggfs both traveled to and >from Europe to the US numerous times and
are listed on more than one ship's manifest.

Perhaps more research is needed.

PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid
automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please delete the words "no
spam" >from the "reply to" address above.

Barbara Sloan
New Haven, CT

Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN, SLONIMSKY/
SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Patrynomic #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Michael Berey <michael.berey@verizon.net> wrote:

Could someone please explain the usage of the term Patrynomic
A patronymic is a name derived >from that of the father. For example,
in a typical Russian name "Mikhail Sergeievich Gorbachev" the second
name is a patronymic: it means "son of Sergei", and signifies that
this man's father's first name was Sergei. Many Jewish family names
originated as patronymics: for example, my family name was originally
Israelovici, and became my great-grandfather's last name because his
father's first name was Israel. This was quite typical in Romania,
where the modern-style family name was not universally adopted until late
in the 19th century.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Belastrek, Russia #general

carols
 

Has anyone heard of Belastrek? Just found some Solontz (Zolonz) family
members in the EIDB and they list Belastrek as their home. Is it in
the same area as Minsk because my Solontz relatives supposedly came from
Minsk to the USA between 1901 and 1910? Thanks for any help you can
give me.

Carol Streem Cleveland, Ohio
Solonts/Solontz/Salant...Minsk>NYC


Place of birth or place of childhood #general

David Cainer <davidcainer@...>
 

Many thanks for the helpful and knowledgeable replies to my query. The
logic of the replies has helped to clarify my thoughts and make me realise
that I should probably have worded my question differently. I agree with
what members say that genealogically the place of birth is a fact. To
modify it would affect the validity of my research and give problems to
future researchers. So I shall keep my records exact as you recommend. I
also agree that there is nothing to stop me recording supplementary
information that sheds more light on the individual. Certainly Family Tree
Maker permits this, allowing you to record what facts you want and label
them as you wish.

This is fine for sharing records with fellow genealogists, but often one
wants to produce, say, a family tree chart for a relation who may be
fascinated and pleased by the chart but who does not look at it >from a pure
genealogical point of view. They are interested to know where their
ancestors originated, in much the same way as one might ask a new
acquaintance where they came from. Admittedly this is a vague question, but
it is quite common. Probably a good way of dealing with it is to make the
birth location entry "born in x, childhood in y" when x and y are different.
In a computer system such as Family Tree Maker this will then print out on
the chart, but it can cause a spacing problem when the place names are long,
and one has to identify the country as well. As we all know, nobody has yet
invented a piece of paper big enough to accommodate a family tree chart, so
one is always looking for brevity.

However, thanks to your replies I can now think clearly enough to address
the problem myself in a way that will not jeopardise the correctness of the
records.

Kind regards

David Cainer
Knutsford, Cheshire, UK
davidcainer@freeuk.com


Benno ELKAN descendants #general

Judith Diamond <judith@...>
 

I am looking for any living descendants or heirs of the sculptor Benno
ELKAN, who was born of S Elkan & Rosa Oppenheimer in Dortmund, Geramany in
1877 came to England in 1933, lived in London, died London 10 January 1960.

He married in1907 Hedwig EInstein (died 1959) by whom he had a son Wolf
Elkan M.D.living in New York City in 1960, and daughter Mrs Ursula Hammil

Judith or Bryan Diamond
London


ED error in 1930 Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I was researching the 1930 Census for Brooklyn. Specifically, I was
interested in Mermaid Avenue, on Coney Island. The selected street
index has transposed the ED numbers for the 3300 block. The NARA
Selected Street Index (M1931) gives ED 1457 for the odd numbers for
the 3300 block, and ED 1449 for the even numbers. These two numbers
should be swopped. Whilst the Stephen Morse ED site does list these
two ED numbers plus another (1459) for Mermaid Avenue, perhaps not
everyone will be using Stephen's excellent site. Incidentally, the
M1931 street list already lists three errors in ED numbers for
Mermaid Avenue. Must be something in the water around Coney Island!

Best wishes,

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


Looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL #general

RonatuF
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL's Worldwide.
I already have the information about 12 branches and for one branch
(which I belong to) the ancestors were tracked down to 1750 year.
Around 150 years ago we are began to spread around the World and
shortly some of Tunkels came to China, Japan, Australia,
South-Africa, Brazil, Palestine, Canada and USA.

The purpose of this letter is to invite you all to visit
TUNKEL's Family Web site.

I hope many of you find it interesting and educational, and some
of you would be able to add useful information to the existing
family tree.
To visit an updated version of this site, please simple click
on this link: http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

If you are in any way related to TUNKEL family, please feel
free to send me a request for a personal user id and a password.
Thank you all for your interest and participation.
Sincerely,
Dr.Roman Tunkel,
Arlington, MA
ronatuf@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Place of birth or place of childhood #general

David Cainer <davidcainer@...>
 

Many thanks for the helpful and knowledgeable replies to my query. The
logic of the replies has helped to clarify my thoughts and make me realise
that I should probably have worded my question differently. I agree with
what members say that genealogically the place of birth is a fact. To
modify it would affect the validity of my research and give problems to
future researchers. So I shall keep my records exact as you recommend. I
also agree that there is nothing to stop me recording supplementary
information that sheds more light on the individual. Certainly Family Tree
Maker permits this, allowing you to record what facts you want and label
them as you wish.

This is fine for sharing records with fellow genealogists, but often one
wants to produce, say, a family tree chart for a relation who may be
fascinated and pleased by the chart but who does not look at it >from a pure
genealogical point of view. They are interested to know where their
ancestors originated, in much the same way as one might ask a new
acquaintance where they came from. Admittedly this is a vague question, but
it is quite common. Probably a good way of dealing with it is to make the
birth location entry "born in x, childhood in y" when x and y are different.
In a computer system such as Family Tree Maker this will then print out on
the chart, but it can cause a spacing problem when the place names are long,
and one has to identify the country as well. As we all know, nobody has yet
invented a piece of paper big enough to accommodate a family tree chart, so
one is always looking for brevity.

However, thanks to your replies I can now think clearly enough to address
the problem myself in a way that will not jeopardise the correctness of the
records.

Kind regards

David Cainer
Knutsford, Cheshire, UK
davidcainer@freeuk.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Benno ELKAN descendants #general

Judith Diamond <judith@...>
 

I am looking for any living descendants or heirs of the sculptor Benno
ELKAN, who was born of S Elkan & Rosa Oppenheimer in Dortmund, Geramany in
1877 came to England in 1933, lived in London, died London 10 January 1960.

He married in1907 Hedwig EInstein (died 1959) by whom he had a son Wolf
Elkan M.D.living in New York City in 1960, and daughter Mrs Ursula Hammil

Judith or Bryan Diamond
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ED error in 1930 Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I was researching the 1930 Census for Brooklyn. Specifically, I was
interested in Mermaid Avenue, on Coney Island. The selected street
index has transposed the ED numbers for the 3300 block. The NARA
Selected Street Index (M1931) gives ED 1457 for the odd numbers for
the 3300 block, and ED 1449 for the even numbers. These two numbers
should be swopped. Whilst the Stephen Morse ED site does list these
two ED numbers plus another (1459) for Mermaid Avenue, perhaps not
everyone will be using Stephen's excellent site. Incidentally, the
M1931 street list already lists three errors in ED numbers for
Mermaid Avenue. Must be something in the water around Coney Island!

Best wishes,

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL #general

RonatuF
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL's Worldwide.
I already have the information about 12 branches and for one branch
(which I belong to) the ancestors were tracked down to 1750 year.
Around 150 years ago we are began to spread around the World and
shortly some of Tunkels came to China, Japan, Australia,
South-Africa, Brazil, Palestine, Canada and USA.

The purpose of this letter is to invite you all to visit
TUNKEL's Family Web site.

I hope many of you find it interesting and educational, and some
of you would be able to add useful information to the existing
family tree.
To visit an updated version of this site, please simple click
on this link: http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

If you are in any way related to TUNKEL family, please feel
free to send me a request for a personal user id and a password.
Thank you all for your interest and participation.
Sincerely,
Dr.Roman Tunkel,
Arlington, MA
ronatuf@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf