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Re: Legitimacy of Jewish Children in the 19th Century #ukraine

CHARLES J MILLMAN <gedalia@...>
 

While marriages according to Jewish law are valid Jewish marriages,
probably there were no separate civil marriages in the 19th century
Russia. Probably marriages by a Russian Orthodox priest were recognized
as lawful in the civil context. The question is whether Jewish marriages
were also recognized by the Tsarist government as valid marriages. It was
not uncommon where Jews lived in ghettoes to have a degree of self- governing. In s
uch cases, the civil authorities may have well recognized Jewish marriage
s as civil.

Charles Millman
Harrisburg, PA
gedalia@msn.com

Researching: CHERNER, GANSKY and KOLKER, Olgopol, Romanovka and Bershad,
Ukraine; MALAMED, MILMED, MILMAN, MILLMAN, Kiyev, Ukraine and Varnifka,
Russia; Philadelphia, PA, Buffalo, NY and Vineland, NJ;ROSENBLUM, Philadel-
phia, PA, Buffalo, NY and Vineland, NJ;WALDMAN, Rovno (Grovne?), Russia;
Wachnovka, Kiyev.


Barry Graham wrote in part:
Illegitimate in the eyes of the country, but not in the eyes of our
religion (which is more important).>>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Legitimacy of Jewish Children in the 19th Century #ukraine

CHARLES J MILLMAN <gedalia@...>
 

While marriages according to Jewish law are valid Jewish marriages,
probably there were no separate civil marriages in the 19th century
Russia. Probably marriages by a Russian Orthodox priest were recognized
as lawful in the civil context. The question is whether Jewish marriages
were also recognized by the Tsarist government as valid marriages. It was
not uncommon where Jews lived in ghettoes to have a degree of self- governing. In s
uch cases, the civil authorities may have well recognized Jewish marriage
s as civil.

Charles Millman
Harrisburg, PA
gedalia@msn.com

Researching: CHERNER, GANSKY and KOLKER, Olgopol, Romanovka and Bershad,
Ukraine; MALAMED, MILMED, MILMAN, MILLMAN, Kiyev, Ukraine and Varnifka,
Russia; Philadelphia, PA, Buffalo, NY and Vineland, NJ;ROSENBLUM, Philadel-
phia, PA, Buffalo, NY and Vineland, NJ;WALDMAN, Rovno (Grovne?), Russia;
Wachnovka, Kiyev.


Barry Graham wrote in part:
Illegitimate in the eyes of the country, but not in the eyes of our
religion (which is more important).>>


Re: "Senility" on EIDB Manifests #general

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

On my ggf's 1920 passenger manifest "Med Cert Senility" is handwritten on
his line on the typewritten page. His age was listed as 57.

So I assumed he was senile. I was convinced even more of his condition when
I learned that he is not buried next to his wife, nor could I find his death
certificate.

So I assumed he walked out of the house one day, got lost, and never
returned home.

So if passengers received this label, what did it mean exactly back then?

Thanks,

Steve Gabai

Researching:

ABOUAF, ALGRANATI (ALGRANTI), BINDER, CARMONA, CHASAN (any spelling),
FINKELSTEIN (NYC), GABAI (GABBAI - GABAY), GREENBAUM (Odessa), GREENBERG
(Bialystok/Wasilkow), INSKY, KOHEN (NYC), PERLSTEIN (PEARLSTEIN),
RATOVETSKY, ROUSSO (RUSSO) (Italy/Turkey), SCHIMSKY (SCHIMKE - SCHYMSKER -
SCHETZENSKY), SCHRAPATZ (SKROPOTICH), SHWARTZ (SCHWARTZ), SILVER, SPECTOR &
TARANTO

From: "Melanie Greenberg" <mgreenberg@wideopenwest.com>
I notice that several of my immigrant relatives - those who came to
America
at age 60 or above - had the notation "Senility."
At that time the term meant someone of old age -- not the current meaning
of
losing mental faculties. I had the same notation on one of my husband's
relatives' manifests and was curious about it until I read about the old
meaning of the word.


Hotel Praha in Vranov #general

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Is there anybody among you >from Vranov who knows anything about this hotel
which was destroyed during WW2?
from what I just learned it was owned by the Wintner family and I'm
wondering if these were the Wintners I'm related to.
I will be grateful for any bit of information.
Happy Hannukah to all,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Senility" on EIDB Manifests #general

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

On my ggf's 1920 passenger manifest "Med Cert Senility" is handwritten on
his line on the typewritten page. His age was listed as 57.

So I assumed he was senile. I was convinced even more of his condition when
I learned that he is not buried next to his wife, nor could I find his death
certificate.

So I assumed he walked out of the house one day, got lost, and never
returned home.

So if passengers received this label, what did it mean exactly back then?

Thanks,

Steve Gabai

Researching:

ABOUAF, ALGRANATI (ALGRANTI), BINDER, CARMONA, CHASAN (any spelling),
FINKELSTEIN (NYC), GABAI (GABBAI - GABAY), GREENBAUM (Odessa), GREENBERG
(Bialystok/Wasilkow), INSKY, KOHEN (NYC), PERLSTEIN (PEARLSTEIN),
RATOVETSKY, ROUSSO (RUSSO) (Italy/Turkey), SCHIMSKY (SCHIMKE - SCHYMSKER -
SCHETZENSKY), SCHRAPATZ (SKROPOTICH), SHWARTZ (SCHWARTZ), SILVER, SPECTOR &
TARANTO

From: "Melanie Greenberg" <mgreenberg@wideopenwest.com>
I notice that several of my immigrant relatives - those who came to
America
at age 60 or above - had the notation "Senility."
At that time the term meant someone of old age -- not the current meaning
of
losing mental faculties. I had the same notation on one of my husband's
relatives' manifests and was curious about it until I read about the old
meaning of the word.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hotel Praha in Vranov #general

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Is there anybody among you >from Vranov who knows anything about this hotel
which was destroyed during WW2?
from what I just learned it was owned by the Wintner family and I'm
wondering if these were the Wintners I'm related to.
I will be grateful for any bit of information.
Happy Hannukah to all,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel


Re: Aunty=Tzotze=Schatz #general

ariewish@...
 

Hi Anita,

The word "keinehora" is a Yiddish version of the Hebrew word "Bli ayin raah (?)"
in English it would be used to "word of the devils eye (?)". I remember that my
mother would tie a red rib en on my sisters wrist and then if anybody would
say "what a lovely girl", she would spit three times and would say "keinehore
(e)". As to Aunty, it all depends where the family is from. My wife (she is
from England)is using "Anty", I'm >from Poland so I use "Ciocia or Mime", some
of my Cousins use "Tante" and the Spanish side of the family use "Tia"

Arie L. Wishnia
Ft. Myers, Fl.


Re: Gorky #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

I think you have found a problem with Mapquest and Shtetlseeker. It
shows up on a shtetlseeker search for Gorki, but not with Nizhniy
Novogorod as an alternate name. The reverse holds true for the
alternate search.

When the Communists took over Russia, the city of Nizhniy Novogorod's
name was changed to Gorki in honor of the writer, a native son and
supporter of the Revolution. After the fall of the USSR, the name of
this very old city was changed back.

It is a city on the Volga 250 east of Moscow at Lat 56deg 20" Long 44deg
00" right in the heartland of Mother Russia.

During much of the 20th century it was a major industrial town with a
lot of defense industries. The town was "closed" in that you had to have
special permission to even visit there.

As it was not in the Pale before the Revolution it was not a city that
usually allowed Jewish residents. So perhaps this isn't the Gorki you
are looking for.


Jessica Schein

I am told that I have relatives >from Gorky. Can someone tell me about this
city?


Re: Aunty=Tzotze=Schatz and ....kunahora.... #general

Israel Zamir <iczamir@...>
 

... hebrew... pure hebrew in yiddish deformation:
In hebrew: blee a-een hara
In yiddish adaptation: kein o kainehore... also,in yiddish with spanish
declinations: kanore

It is a blessing: without bad eyes or be protected >from bad looks,
equivalent to the English "nice".

About little children, that they are growing up well, it was very usual to
speake about them and agregate the blessing:
example: Moishele, kainehore... Esterke, kainehora ...
How kainehora transformed in kunahora... the explanation is in jewish
wanderings throw distint countrys.

My aunt in France was alled "tante",
My aunt in Argentina was called "mime"
and when I met my aunt >from Poland arriving to Israel
she was called "czocza". ( If she was a Litvak she was
a tzottze... :-)

In hebrew DOD is feter, uncle, and DODA is aunt ...
But in my original Argentina " di grobe mime X", (the fat aunt X) has
transformed in
"la tia gorda X"... Nu...

Excuse me for taking so much time >from you in my bad English...

Israel Zamir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Citron" <anitac47@optonline.net>
>>My cousins all called my late mother 'Tzotze Ester' - how does this
>>fit in with Tante and Mume?

This reminds me of a family habit of saying someone's given name
followed
by (and this is entirely phonetic..) "kunahora". My brother and I grew up
thinking that we had this extra name because we were always
"Anitakunahora"
and "Marcunahora". Family idiosyncrasies. Also, Yiddish picked up words
from other languages and there are words in Yiddish with French origins as
I believe might apply to "tante". This is also interesting in that it
might be clue as to where the family lived at one time and what Yiddish
they spoke (and there are many).


POLAND ARCHIVES #general

David Edelman <pappapeach43@...>
 

Dear Group;
Does anyone out there have an address to write to for the archives in
Poland, to get records? I have been able to get a lot of help with the
Latvian archives, but also need something similar for Poland. Also, do they
reply in English, and how much have they been charging?
Thank you all,
David Edelman,
San Francisco.

Searching:
EDELMAN; FEINSTEIN; STEIN; Latvia to New York.
DUNN; Latvia to London to New York.
ALLEN; Lomza, Poland to London to New York.


LAZOVSKY from Icherkask, Russia #general

Burt Goodman
 

My father-in-law Jossel, his brother Dovid and their sister Nekhame - along
with their father Khai came to California in 1923.

On the passenger record, the surname was given as LASOVSKY, but they all
used LAZOVSKY, until they changed it to LAZAR, in the late 30's.

We (my wife and I) are trying do determine of Khai (who became "Charlie"
here in America) had any siblings that might have come over to US?

If anyone has a connection, please contact us directly...

Many thanx

Burt and Sunny Goodman
Los Angeles, CA
<bgactor@earthlink.net>


NEUMAYER #general

renato mannheimer <r.mannheimer@...>
 

Hi. I just wanted to ask if somebody can tell me if NEUMAYER could be a
Jewish name. Thanks a lot
Renato Mannheimer
Milano Italy
Searching: MANNHEIMER Hungary


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Aunty=Tzotze=Schatz #general

ariewish@...
 

Hi Anita,

The word "keinehora" is a Yiddish version of the Hebrew word "Bli ayin raah (?)"
in English it would be used to "word of the devils eye (?)". I remember that my
mother would tie a red rib en on my sisters wrist and then if anybody would
say "what a lovely girl", she would spit three times and would say "keinehore
(e)". As to Aunty, it all depends where the family is from. My wife (she is
from England)is using "Anty", I'm >from Poland so I use "Ciocia or Mime", some
of my Cousins use "Tante" and the Spanish side of the family use "Tia"

Arie L. Wishnia
Ft. Myers, Fl.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gorky #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

I think you have found a problem with Mapquest and Shtetlseeker. It
shows up on a shtetlseeker search for Gorki, but not with Nizhniy
Novogorod as an alternate name. The reverse holds true for the
alternate search.

When the Communists took over Russia, the city of Nizhniy Novogorod's
name was changed to Gorki in honor of the writer, a native son and
supporter of the Revolution. After the fall of the USSR, the name of
this very old city was changed back.

It is a city on the Volga 250 east of Moscow at Lat 56deg 20" Long 44deg
00" right in the heartland of Mother Russia.

During much of the 20th century it was a major industrial town with a
lot of defense industries. The town was "closed" in that you had to have
special permission to even visit there.

As it was not in the Pale before the Revolution it was not a city that
usually allowed Jewish residents. So perhaps this isn't the Gorki you
are looking for.


Jessica Schein

I am told that I have relatives >from Gorky. Can someone tell me about this
city?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Aunty=Tzotze=Schatz and ....kunahora.... #general

Israel Zamir <iczamir@...>
 

... hebrew... pure hebrew in yiddish deformation:
In hebrew: blee a-een hara
In yiddish adaptation: kein o kainehore... also,in yiddish with spanish
declinations: kanore

It is a blessing: without bad eyes or be protected >from bad looks,
equivalent to the English "nice".

About little children, that they are growing up well, it was very usual to
speake about them and agregate the blessing:
example: Moishele, kainehore... Esterke, kainehora ...
How kainehora transformed in kunahora... the explanation is in jewish
wanderings throw distint countrys.

My aunt in France was alled "tante",
My aunt in Argentina was called "mime"
and when I met my aunt >from Poland arriving to Israel
she was called "czocza". ( If she was a Litvak she was
a tzottze... :-)

In hebrew DOD is feter, uncle, and DODA is aunt ...
But in my original Argentina " di grobe mime X", (the fat aunt X) has
transformed in
"la tia gorda X"... Nu...

Excuse me for taking so much time >from you in my bad English...

Israel Zamir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Citron" <anitac47@optonline.net>
>>My cousins all called my late mother 'Tzotze Ester' - how does this
>>fit in with Tante and Mume?

This reminds me of a family habit of saying someone's given name
followed
by (and this is entirely phonetic..) "kunahora". My brother and I grew up
thinking that we had this extra name because we were always
"Anitakunahora"
and "Marcunahora". Family idiosyncrasies. Also, Yiddish picked up words
from other languages and there are words in Yiddish with French origins as
I believe might apply to "tante". This is also interesting in that it
might be clue as to where the family lived at one time and what Yiddish
they spoke (and there are many).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POLAND ARCHIVES #general

David Edelman <pappapeach43@...>
 

Dear Group;
Does anyone out there have an address to write to for the archives in
Poland, to get records? I have been able to get a lot of help with the
Latvian archives, but also need something similar for Poland. Also, do they
reply in English, and how much have they been charging?
Thank you all,
David Edelman,
San Francisco.

Searching:
EDELMAN; FEINSTEIN; STEIN; Latvia to New York.
DUNN; Latvia to London to New York.
ALLEN; Lomza, Poland to London to New York.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LAZOVSKY from Icherkask, Russia #general

Burt Goodman
 

My father-in-law Jossel, his brother Dovid and their sister Nekhame - along
with their father Khai came to California in 1923.

On the passenger record, the surname was given as LASOVSKY, but they all
used LAZOVSKY, until they changed it to LAZAR, in the late 30's.

We (my wife and I) are trying do determine of Khai (who became "Charlie"
here in America) had any siblings that might have come over to US?

If anyone has a connection, please contact us directly...

Many thanx

Burt and Sunny Goodman
Los Angeles, CA
<bgactor@earthlink.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NEUMAYER #general

renato mannheimer <r.mannheimer@...>
 

Hi. I just wanted to ask if somebody can tell me if NEUMAYER could be a
Jewish name. Thanks a lot
Renato Mannheimer
Milano Italy
Searching: MANNHEIMER Hungary


Need Photo from United Hebrew Cemetery, Staten Island, NY #general

Richard Blalock <richard@...>
 

Hello,

Someone upstairs must be helping me today because I located both of my
great grandparent's graves on the same day. Unfortunately, all the
people who would have known this information have passed on. My family
has been looking for them for years. I am astonished.

Is there anyone that could provide a photo of the headstone of my great
grandfather at United Hebrew Cemetery on Staten Island, NY? As
mentioned in my earlier email today, I am in California and can not make
the trip back east.

Abram "Abraham" Sherman
Ozarower YG Men's Society
Death: 6/16/1929
Block 29, Row 1, Grave 6

United Hebrew Cemetery
122 Arthur Kill Road
Staten Island, NY 10306-1134
(718) 351-0230

Best Regards,

Richard Blalock
Sacramento, CA
rblalock@vtext.com ( short messages )


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Photo from United Hebrew Cemetery, Staten Island, NY #general

Richard Blalock <richard@...>
 

Hello,

Someone upstairs must be helping me today because I located both of my
great grandparent's graves on the same day. Unfortunately, all the
people who would have known this information have passed on. My family
has been looking for them for years. I am astonished.

Is there anyone that could provide a photo of the headstone of my great
grandfather at United Hebrew Cemetery on Staten Island, NY? As
mentioned in my earlier email today, I am in California and can not make
the trip back east.

Abram "Abraham" Sherman
Ozarower YG Men's Society
Death: 6/16/1929
Block 29, Row 1, Grave 6

United Hebrew Cemetery
122 Arthur Kill Road
Staten Island, NY 10306-1134
(718) 351-0230

Best Regards,

Richard Blalock
Sacramento, CA
rblalock@vtext.com ( short messages )