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Place of birth or place of childhood #general

David Cainer <davidcainer@...>
 

Many thanks for the helpful and knowledgeable replies to my query. The
logic of the replies has helped to clarify my thoughts and make me realise
that I should probably have worded my question differently. I agree with
what members say that genealogically the place of birth is a fact. To
modify it would affect the validity of my research and give problems to
future researchers. So I shall keep my records exact as you recommend. I
also agree that there is nothing to stop me recording supplementary
information that sheds more light on the individual. Certainly Family Tree
Maker permits this, allowing you to record what facts you want and label
them as you wish.

This is fine for sharing records with fellow genealogists, but often one
wants to produce, say, a family tree chart for a relation who may be
fascinated and pleased by the chart but who does not look at it >from a pure
genealogical point of view. They are interested to know where their
ancestors originated, in much the same way as one might ask a new
acquaintance where they came from. Admittedly this is a vague question, but
it is quite common. Probably a good way of dealing with it is to make the
birth location entry "born in x, childhood in y" when x and y are different.
In a computer system such as Family Tree Maker this will then print out on
the chart, but it can cause a spacing problem when the place names are long,
and one has to identify the country as well. As we all know, nobody has yet
invented a piece of paper big enough to accommodate a family tree chart, so
one is always looking for brevity.

However, thanks to your replies I can now think clearly enough to address
the problem myself in a way that will not jeopardise the correctness of the
records.

Kind regards

David Cainer
Knutsford, Cheshire, UK
davidcainer@freeuk.com


Benno ELKAN descendants #general

Judith Diamond <judith@...>
 

I am looking for any living descendants or heirs of the sculptor Benno
ELKAN, who was born of S Elkan & Rosa Oppenheimer in Dortmund, Geramany in
1877 came to England in 1933, lived in London, died London 10 January 1960.

He married in1907 Hedwig EInstein (died 1959) by whom he had a son Wolf
Elkan M.D.living in New York City in 1960, and daughter Mrs Ursula Hammil

Judith or Bryan Diamond
London


ED error in 1930 Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I was researching the 1930 Census for Brooklyn. Specifically, I was
interested in Mermaid Avenue, on Coney Island. The selected street
index has transposed the ED numbers for the 3300 block. The NARA
Selected Street Index (M1931) gives ED 1457 for the odd numbers for
the 3300 block, and ED 1449 for the even numbers. These two numbers
should be swopped. Whilst the Stephen Morse ED site does list these
two ED numbers plus another (1459) for Mermaid Avenue, perhaps not
everyone will be using Stephen's excellent site. Incidentally, the
M1931 street list already lists three errors in ED numbers for
Mermaid Avenue. Must be something in the water around Coney Island!

Best wishes,

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


Looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL #general

RonatuF
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL's Worldwide.
I already have the information about 12 branches and for one branch
(which I belong to) the ancestors were tracked down to 1750 year.
Around 150 years ago we are began to spread around the World and
shortly some of Tunkels came to China, Japan, Australia,
South-Africa, Brazil, Palestine, Canada and USA.

The purpose of this letter is to invite you all to visit
TUNKEL's Family Web site.

I hope many of you find it interesting and educational, and some
of you would be able to add useful information to the existing
family tree.
To visit an updated version of this site, please simple click
on this link: http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

If you are in any way related to TUNKEL family, please feel
free to send me a request for a personal user id and a password.
Thank you all for your interest and participation.
Sincerely,
Dr.Roman Tunkel,
Arlington, MA
ronatuf@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Place of birth or place of childhood #general

David Cainer <davidcainer@...>
 

Many thanks for the helpful and knowledgeable replies to my query. The
logic of the replies has helped to clarify my thoughts and make me realise
that I should probably have worded my question differently. I agree with
what members say that genealogically the place of birth is a fact. To
modify it would affect the validity of my research and give problems to
future researchers. So I shall keep my records exact as you recommend. I
also agree that there is nothing to stop me recording supplementary
information that sheds more light on the individual. Certainly Family Tree
Maker permits this, allowing you to record what facts you want and label
them as you wish.

This is fine for sharing records with fellow genealogists, but often one
wants to produce, say, a family tree chart for a relation who may be
fascinated and pleased by the chart but who does not look at it >from a pure
genealogical point of view. They are interested to know where their
ancestors originated, in much the same way as one might ask a new
acquaintance where they came from. Admittedly this is a vague question, but
it is quite common. Probably a good way of dealing with it is to make the
birth location entry "born in x, childhood in y" when x and y are different.
In a computer system such as Family Tree Maker this will then print out on
the chart, but it can cause a spacing problem when the place names are long,
and one has to identify the country as well. As we all know, nobody has yet
invented a piece of paper big enough to accommodate a family tree chart, so
one is always looking for brevity.

However, thanks to your replies I can now think clearly enough to address
the problem myself in a way that will not jeopardise the correctness of the
records.

Kind regards

David Cainer
Knutsford, Cheshire, UK
davidcainer@freeuk.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Benno ELKAN descendants #general

Judith Diamond <judith@...>
 

I am looking for any living descendants or heirs of the sculptor Benno
ELKAN, who was born of S Elkan & Rosa Oppenheimer in Dortmund, Geramany in
1877 came to England in 1933, lived in London, died London 10 January 1960.

He married in1907 Hedwig EInstein (died 1959) by whom he had a son Wolf
Elkan M.D.living in New York City in 1960, and daughter Mrs Ursula Hammil

Judith or Bryan Diamond
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ED error in 1930 Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I was researching the 1930 Census for Brooklyn. Specifically, I was
interested in Mermaid Avenue, on Coney Island. The selected street
index has transposed the ED numbers for the 3300 block. The NARA
Selected Street Index (M1931) gives ED 1457 for the odd numbers for
the 3300 block, and ED 1449 for the even numbers. These two numbers
should be swopped. Whilst the Stephen Morse ED site does list these
two ED numbers plus another (1459) for Mermaid Avenue, perhaps not
everyone will be using Stephen's excellent site. Incidentally, the
M1931 street list already lists three errors in ED numbers for
Mermaid Avenue. Must be something in the water around Coney Island!

Best wishes,

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL #general

RonatuF
 

Dear Genners,

I am looking for TUNKEL-TOONKEL-TOUNKEL's Worldwide.
I already have the information about 12 branches and for one branch
(which I belong to) the ancestors were tracked down to 1750 year.
Around 150 years ago we are began to spread around the World and
shortly some of Tunkels came to China, Japan, Australia,
South-Africa, Brazil, Palestine, Canada and USA.

The purpose of this letter is to invite you all to visit
TUNKEL's Family Web site.

I hope many of you find it interesting and educational, and some
of you would be able to add useful information to the existing
family tree.
To visit an updated version of this site, please simple click
on this link: http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

If you are in any way related to TUNKEL family, please feel
free to send me a request for a personal user id and a password.
Thank you all for your interest and participation.
Sincerely,
Dr.Roman Tunkel,
Arlington, MA
ronatuf@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf


Please join them - JewishGen donor list updated #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

The online list of JewishGen General Fund contributors has
been updated to 30 September, 2002.

The list of donations received >from 1 October 2001 to 9/30/02
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on that date.

I am grateful to the many Scandinavia SIG members whose names
are included and to those who have donated to Scandinavia SIG.

If you donated to the Scandinavia Sig Research Fund or to other
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Thanks to all whose names appear on the revised list or on
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Please join them - JewishGen donor list updated #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

The online list of JewishGen General Fund contributors has
been updated to 30 September, 2002.

The list of donations received >from 1 October 2001 to 9/30/02
is at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Contributions.html

Those whose donations were received after 5 August 2002 are
listed in boldface type. This is to highlight the donor's
participation in the "first annual appeal" which was announced
on that date.

I am grateful to the many Scandinavia SIG members whose names
are included and to those who have donated to Scandinavia SIG.

If you donated to the Scandinavia Sig Research Fund or to other
SIG funds your name will not be included in the General Fund Donor
list unless you also made a General Fund Donation.

If you made a contribution to the JewishGen General Fund
between October 1, 2001, and Sept. 30, 2002 and your name is
not included in the list I will be happy to inquire about the
omission. Write to me at elsebeth@paikin.dk giving your name,
the date of your donation and the method of donation -- that is
by check or via JewishGen's secure credit card webform.
The amount of your contribution need not be mentioned.

Thanks to all whose names appear on the revised list or on
the JewishGen Wall of Honor.

If you are not yet a member of one of these supporter groups
please join us today. Any amount >from $10.00 by credit card
or by check will be gladly accepted and promptly acknowledged.

I regret that JewishGen is not able to accept donations of
books or other publications.

For credit card transactions use the URL at the top of this
email message to reach the JewishGen Secure Webform.
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/>
For donations by check or money order make the instrument
payable to: JewishGen, Inc.

and mail it to:

JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr., Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573

Many thanks.


---------------------------------------
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Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
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Re: social security death index complete? #general

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Your gf may not have had a SSN if he had been in a work category not
covered by the SSA. Or, he never applied for coverage. He may not have been
listed in the SSDI if he did not accumulate enough "work units" to receive
retirement benefits or for his family to receive the death payment of $255.
And, as you noted, there may have been one or more errors concerning
spelling, death dates, etc.

If your gf had a SSN, look for death certificates and other documents (e.g.
insurance, medical policies, hospital records, driver's license) that may
have recorded the number, or ask members of the family for documents they
may have in their possession. Failing this approach, send the SSA as much
information about your gf as you can and request a copy of his original
SS-5 application form. The cost is $29. For details, see
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

MODERATOR NOTE: See also JewishGen's InfoFile on "US Social Security
Administration (SSA) Records" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt


Re: About the surname "WERNIK" #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Nov.16/02 Virginia WERNIK (verogode@yahoo.com) wrote in part:

I was wondering if someone could tell me about my surname; Wernik;
probably originally Wernick. My family and I live in Uruguay in South
America. What we know is that my grand-grandfather came to Buenos
Aires, Argentina, his name was Ruben Wernik.

Ms. Wernik should check Jewishgen's Family Finder and its Discussion Group
Archives and the mail group archives of Jewishgen's SIGs (Special Interet
Groups) for the names WERNICK,WERNIK, WIERNIK, and other spelling variants.
She may be please to find listing and messages concerning this name. She
should also use the "search this website box" on Jewishen's main page.

In Polish, "vernik" means "varnish" it could be that her ancestors were
furniture finishers or manufacturers of varnish.

But Polish also has the word "wierny" an adjective which means "faithful" so
it could be that if her surname was originally WIERNIK, it might signify
that her ancestors were pious Jews.

But then I am not familiar with the Polish language.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: social security death index complete? #general

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Your gf may not have had a SSN if he had been in a work category not
covered by the SSA. Or, he never applied for coverage. He may not have been
listed in the SSDI if he did not accumulate enough "work units" to receive
retirement benefits or for his family to receive the death payment of $255.
And, as you noted, there may have been one or more errors concerning
spelling, death dates, etc.

If your gf had a SSN, look for death certificates and other documents (e.g.
insurance, medical policies, hospital records, driver's license) that may
have recorded the number, or ask members of the family for documents they
may have in their possession. Failing this approach, send the SSA as much
information about your gf as you can and request a copy of his original
SS-5 application form. The cost is $29. For details, see
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

MODERATOR NOTE: See also JewishGen's InfoFile on "US Social Security
Administration (SSA) Records" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: About the surname "WERNIK" #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Nov.16/02 Virginia WERNIK (verogode@yahoo.com) wrote in part:

I was wondering if someone could tell me about my surname; Wernik;
probably originally Wernick. My family and I live in Uruguay in South
America. What we know is that my grand-grandfather came to Buenos
Aires, Argentina, his name was Ruben Wernik.

Ms. Wernik should check Jewishgen's Family Finder and its Discussion Group
Archives and the mail group archives of Jewishgen's SIGs (Special Interet
Groups) for the names WERNICK,WERNIK, WIERNIK, and other spelling variants.
She may be please to find listing and messages concerning this name. She
should also use the "search this website box" on Jewishen's main page.

In Polish, "vernik" means "varnish" it could be that her ancestors were
furniture finishers or manufacturers of varnish.

But Polish also has the word "wierny" an adjective which means "faithful" so
it could be that if her surname was originally WIERNIK, it might signify
that her ancestors were pious Jews.

But then I am not familiar with the Polish language.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Hebrew equivalent of Zlata #general

GRAMAW
 

My mother, Charlotte, had the Jewish name "Zlata". So did several of her
cousins. Does anyone know if there is a Hebrew equivalent? My rabbi had
never heard the name before.......Thanks.

Myra Shalet, Leawood, KS
Researching: DRUBYCH, LEIBMAN, WINER: Uman, Talnoye, Kherson, Ukraine;
SHARK, SHAK, HOLZBERG: Lithuania; SHALET, GRATCH: Ukraine


Re: A town in Radom, Poland (Nowy Myln) #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Nov.18/02 Murray Goldwaser (mauh2o@worldnet.att.net) said he could not
find the town "Nowego Mlyna" or "Nowy Mlyn" on any of his maps.

"Where We Once Walked" has an entry for this place, Nowe Mlyny, with a
population of (only) 27. It says that it is described in the "Black Book"
(of Localities Whose Jewish Population was Destroyed by the Nazis) as being
the Kielce region, but it was not found in the BGN (US Board on Geographic
Names) gazetteers.

Thinking that "Nowe Mlyny" could have been new settlement named after a
bigger town called "Mlyn" or Myln plus some ending or other, I checked for
that too in WWOW, hoping to find some map coordinates. I did find an entry
for "Myln Wojtostwo", which was hardly any bigger, having had a population
of 48. It too was in the region of Kielce. But this place also could not be
found in the BGN gazetteers.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew equivalent of Zlata #general

GRAMAW
 

My mother, Charlotte, had the Jewish name "Zlata". So did several of her
cousins. Does anyone know if there is a Hebrew equivalent? My rabbi had
never heard the name before.......Thanks.

Myra Shalet, Leawood, KS
Researching: DRUBYCH, LEIBMAN, WINER: Uman, Talnoye, Kherson, Ukraine;
SHARK, SHAK, HOLZBERG: Lithuania; SHALET, GRATCH: Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A town in Radom, Poland (Nowy Myln) #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Nov.18/02 Murray Goldwaser (mauh2o@worldnet.att.net) said he could not
find the town "Nowego Mlyna" or "Nowy Mlyn" on any of his maps.

"Where We Once Walked" has an entry for this place, Nowe Mlyny, with a
population of (only) 27. It says that it is described in the "Black Book"
(of Localities Whose Jewish Population was Destroyed by the Nazis) as being
the Kielce region, but it was not found in the BGN (US Board on Geographic
Names) gazetteers.

Thinking that "Nowe Mlyny" could have been new settlement named after a
bigger town called "Mlyn" or Myln plus some ending or other, I checked for
that too in WWOW, hoping to find some map coordinates. I did find an entry
for "Myln Wojtostwo", which was hardly any bigger, having had a population
of 48. It too was in the region of Kielce. But this place also could not be
found in the BGN gazetteers.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Genealogy sources in the UK #general

David Kravitz
 

There have been several requests for information on how to search for
ancestors in the UK and the JewishGen gives good links. Two years ago I
published an article giving details of how to, where, at what cost etc. I
have recently updated this, yet again. Learn about the Public Record Office
at Kew, the Family Research Center in Islington, Immigration and emigration,
wills, ports, cemeteries etc in the UK, along with many internet links.

Anyone who would like a free copy, please email me. It is in Word97 format
so please tell me if your software is earlier and I will sent it as a
formatted text file (rtf).

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy sources in the UK #general

David Kravitz
 

There have been several requests for information on how to search for
ancestors in the UK and the JewishGen gives good links. Two years ago I
published an article giving details of how to, where, at what cost etc. I
have recently updated this, yet again. Learn about the Public Record Office
at Kew, the Family Research Center in Islington, Immigration and emigration,
wills, ports, cemeteries etc in the UK, along with many internet links.

Anyone who would like a free copy, please email me. It is in Word97 format
so please tell me if your software is earlier and I will sent it as a
formatted text file (rtf).

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.