Hello,
This may be a simple question, but I would really like a map of the
Vilna Gubernia or one of the Lida district. I don't know whether this lies in
present-day Belarus or in Lithuania. My apologies are in order in case I
wrote to the wrong web-site!
Phyllis Grodzinsky Campbell
San Jose, CA

Hello,
This may be a simple question, but I would really like a map of the
Vilna Gubernia or one of the Lida district. I don't know whether this lies in
present-day Belarus or in Lithuania. My apologies are in order in case I
wrote to the wrong web-site!
Phyllis Grodzinsky Campbell
San Jose, CA

While searching the above captioned database on the JGS-GB website, I found
several burials of interest. Is anyone able to assist me in obtaining either
photos of these gravesites or a transcription of the information on the
stones?

Sarah Caplan DOD Oct 27,1912 age 47 Mourned by Rev Hyman Caplan

Hyman Caplan, AKA Chaim Leib CAPLAN/KAPLAN was my great grandmother's
brother, and connected to many shuls during his career as a Cantor >from the
early 1900's until his death in the early 1950's. Is he also buried at
Edmonton?

Hannah Barron DOD Aug 7, 1894, age 75 Mourned by Woolf Barron

This may be my great great grandmother and her son, my great grandfather,
known in the US as Wolf Baron. Wolf lived in London >from 1880 or 1881 until
he left for the US in 1885 or early 1886. He was a Cantor and was the
brother in law of Hyman Caplan. His mother is recorded on various documents
as Hannah Halpern Baron but I never had any reason to believe she ever left
Lithuania before now.

Many thanks for any assistance.

Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York, USA


EDENSARA@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: The database mentioned is on the Members' Corner pages of the JGSGB website and is only available to members of the Society.

While searching the above captioned database on the JGS-GB website, I found
several burials of interest. Is anyone able to assist me in obtaining either
photos of these gravesites or a transcription of the information on the
stones?

Sarah Caplan DOD Oct 27,1912 age 47 Mourned by Rev Hyman Caplan

Hyman Caplan, AKA Chaim Leib CAPLAN/KAPLAN was my great grandmother's
brother, and connected to many shuls during his career as a Cantor >from the
early 1900's until his death in the early 1950's. Is he also buried at
Edmonton?

Hannah Barron DOD Aug 7, 1894, age 75 Mourned by Woolf Barron

This may be my great great grandmother and her son, my great grandfather,
known in the US as Wolf Baron. Wolf lived in London >from 1880 or 1881 until
he left for the US in 1885 or early 1886. He was a Cantor and was the
brother in law of Hyman Caplan. His mother is recorded on various documents
as Hannah Halpern Baron but I never had any reason to believe she ever left
Lithuania before now.

Many thanks for any assistance.

Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York, USA


EDENSARA@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: The database mentioned is on the Members' Corner pages of the JGSGB website and is only available to members of the Society.

I don't think that it would be too difficult to organize the data as
long as the database is set up correctly. I do not know how it would
need to confirm to any JewishGen standard for databases in order to
make use of the search pages but if that was not an issue then setting
up a database to store the information would not be a huge problem.

There are several factors to take into consideration. The location
would most likely be better stored as a range or coordinates if
possible. That way the unique reference point would be the coordinates
not the name for an area that may change names.

Secondly there needs to be a reference for an era, a range of dates
when the name change and/or country change took place.

Thirdly the area in question needs to be denoted by the type of area
it encompasses e.g. whether it is a shtetl, a district or some other
entity.

I am sure that there are other complications but they just need to be
formalized so that the database tables can be formed.

David Zeidman
San Francisco

I don't think that it would be too difficult to organize the data as
long as the database is set up correctly. I do not know how it would
need to confirm to any JewishGen standard for databases in order to
make use of the search pages but if that was not an issue then setting
up a database to store the information would not be a huge problem.

There are several factors to take into consideration. The location
would most likely be better stored as a range or coordinates if
possible. That way the unique reference point would be the coordinates
not the name for an area that may change names.

Secondly there needs to be a reference for an era, a range of dates
when the name change and/or country change took place.

Thirdly the area in question needs to be denoted by the type of area
it encompasses e.g. whether it is a shtetl, a district or some other
entity.

I am sure that there are other complications but they just need to be
formalized so that the database tables can be formed.

David Zeidman
San Francisco

Dear Keith and other LatviaSIGgers,

During the meeting of the LatviaSIG at the IAJGS conference in Toronto in
August, the creation of a strong web focal point for Dvinsk researchers was
identified as an important priority for the LatviaSIG. Judy Brandspigel of
the JGS of Montreal and I have agreed to work on this.

We have only just begun planning our "plan of attack", so to speak. What we
want to do is create a place where Dvinsk researchers can check for
information regarding Daugavpils (formerly Dunaberg and then Dvinsk). We
want to pull together in one place references to maps, records, history and
historical narratives, Holocaust, etc. There is a lot of information on the
Internet already to which we would link; other information, such as the
whereabouts of some records, remains to be discovered and/or created.

During the coming months, Judy and I will be using this forum and others to
relate our progress and to solicit your help when that is needed. Count on
us contacting you! With a strong group of volunteers who have research
interests in and around Dvinsk, we believe we can make a website which will
be really useful. If you have any ideas you would like to share, please get
in touch with me offlist at the address given below.

As a related aside, the Latvian State Historical Archive today notified me
that they will soon send me significant information on my TRUPIN ancestors
and related lines. Thanks to the volunteer indexing efforts of LatviaSIG in
getting some of the Dvinsk data in the LSHA records online, in a relatively
short time I have managed to quadruple the size of my family tree and have
pushed my ancestry back to around 1800. Being involved in creating a Dvinsk
focal point on the web for researchers is, in a way, my contribution in
kind.

Stay tuned for more notes >from Judy and me as we get the Dvinsk plans into
shape.

Regards,
Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa (Canada)
blacknus@igs.net

Researching: TRUPIN, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK, and SIMON
>from Latvia, possibly Belarus and Lithuania, and definitely New York

<The above is not in any way intended to reflect the policies and opinions
of my employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

-----Original Message-----
From: KethZerdin@aol.com [mailto:KethZerdin@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:03 PM
To: Latvia SIG
Subject: [latvia] RE: Matrix for Locations


I am interested to see that you are planning a Dvinsk focal
point. Can you
provide any information about what you intend

Keith Zerdin

---
This SIG (latvia@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org

Dear Keith and other LatviaSIGgers,

During the meeting of the LatviaSIG at the IAJGS conference in Toronto in
August, the creation of a strong web focal point for Dvinsk researchers was
identified as an important priority for the LatviaSIG. Judy Brandspigel of
the JGS of Montreal and I have agreed to work on this.

We have only just begun planning our "plan of attack", so to speak. What we
want to do is create a place where Dvinsk researchers can check for
information regarding Daugavpils (formerly Dunaberg and then Dvinsk). We
want to pull together in one place references to maps, records, history and
historical narratives, Holocaust, etc. There is a lot of information on the
Internet already to which we would link; other information, such as the
whereabouts of some records, remains to be discovered and/or created.

During the coming months, Judy and I will be using this forum and others to
relate our progress and to solicit your help when that is needed. Count on
us contacting you! With a strong group of volunteers who have research
interests in and around Dvinsk, we believe we can make a website which will
be really useful. If you have any ideas you would like to share, please get
in touch with me offlist at the address given below.

As a related aside, the Latvian State Historical Archive today notified me
that they will soon send me significant information on my TRUPIN ancestors
and related lines. Thanks to the volunteer indexing efforts of LatviaSIG in
getting some of the Dvinsk data in the LSHA records online, in a relatively
short time I have managed to quadruple the size of my family tree and have
pushed my ancestry back to around 1800. Being involved in creating a Dvinsk
focal point on the web for researchers is, in a way, my contribution in
kind.

Stay tuned for more notes >from Judy and me as we get the Dvinsk plans into
shape.

Regards,
Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa (Canada)
blacknus@igs.net

Researching: TRUPIN, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK, and SIMON
>from Latvia, possibly Belarus and Lithuania, and definitely New York

<The above is not in any way intended to reflect the policies and opinions
of my employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

-----Original Message-----
From: KethZerdin@aol.com [mailto:KethZerdin@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:03 PM
To: Latvia SIG
Subject: [latvia] RE: Matrix for Locations


I am interested to see that you are planning a Dvinsk focal
point. Can you
provide any information about what you intend

Keith Zerdin

---
This SIG (latvia@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org

Hello,

I have posted on viewmate a sampling of the letters I
have been unable to identify conclusively. The
letters I feel uncertain of are the first letters of
the entries with the highlighted numbers -- entry
numbers 89, 92, &93.

Viewmate posting are found at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate

My file is VM1869.

Thank you for your assistance.

Denise

--- Viewmate <viewmate@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From: Viewmate <viewmate@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: Denise <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:32:40 GMT
Subject: Your Viewmate file is on-line

Your file is up on the ViewMate site
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View
section - as file - VM1869

You may now announce the file' availability and ask
for help at the forum or newsgroup or SIG of your
choice.

When POSTING about your files - please REMEMBER to:
- include the VM file Names
- the ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
- you may include a direct address to your files (go
to your file on ViewMate and copy/paste the direct
page address)
- ask that RESPONSES be sent DIRECTLY to you - NOT
to the list, news group or the SIG. This is a
request >from the SIG and List Moderators.

A reminder that the files will remain on JewishGen
ViewMate site for at least 7 days.

If you need ADDITIONAL time on ViewMate for your
file - please let us know before the expire date.

You can also request to REMOVE your file prior to
the 7 day window - if you have received all of the
help that you need.

Good Luck!

Moderator VK: The entry you have marked appears to state: "Berger Jakab Zsido ozveg" which means probably means the widow of Jew Jakab Berger.

Did Hungarian Jews move to Germany between 1650 and
1750?

My grgrgrgrandfather Loew, born circa 1750, was given
or adopted the family name of GOETTER in 1808, when
German Jews had to register a permanent family name.
He lived in Ehrstadt, a small village, about ten miles

from Heidelberg. The list of the family names adopted

by the Ehrstadt Jews shows his new name as Loew
GOETTER, and in parenthesis is written what looks like
Gastorer or Gattorer.

Is it possible, that GASTORER/GATTORER indicates a
previous residence in Gater and my ancestor or his
parents came >from Gater in Hungary?

At the end of the 30 Year War 1618 - 1648 the
Kurpfalz, today part of the state of Baden, was laid
to waste and the local rulers tried to induce
immigrants >from many areas to resettle their land.

Please respond to me privately.

Anne Kaiser New York City

Hello,

I have posted on viewmate a sampling of the letters I
have been unable to identify conclusively. The
letters I feel uncertain of are the first letters of
the entries with the highlighted numbers -- entry
numbers 89, 92, &93.

Viewmate posting are found at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate

My file is VM1869.

Thank you for your assistance.

Denise

--- Viewmate <viewmate@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From: Viewmate <viewmate@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: Denise <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:32:40 GMT
Subject: Your Viewmate file is on-line

Your file is up on the ViewMate site
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View
section - as file - VM1869

You may now announce the file' availability and ask
for help at the forum or newsgroup or SIG of your
choice.

When POSTING about your files - please REMEMBER to:
- include the VM file Names
- the ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
- you may include a direct address to your files (go
to your file on ViewMate and copy/paste the direct
page address)
- ask that RESPONSES be sent DIRECTLY to you - NOT
to the list, news group or the SIG. This is a
request >from the SIG and List Moderators.

A reminder that the files will remain on JewishGen
ViewMate site for at least 7 days.

If you need ADDITIONAL time on ViewMate for your
file - please let us know before the expire date.

You can also request to REMOVE your file prior to
the 7 day window - if you have received all of the
help that you need.

Good Luck!

Moderator VK: The entry you have marked appears to state: "Berger Jakab Zsido ozveg" which means probably means the widow of Jew Jakab Berger.

Did Hungarian Jews move to Germany between 1650 and
1750?

My grgrgrgrandfather Loew, born circa 1750, was given
or adopted the family name of GOETTER in 1808, when
German Jews had to register a permanent family name.
He lived in Ehrstadt, a small village, about ten miles

from Heidelberg. The list of the family names adopted

by the Ehrstadt Jews shows his new name as Loew
GOETTER, and in parenthesis is written what looks like
Gastorer or Gattorer.

Is it possible, that GASTORER/GATTORER indicates a
previous residence in Gater and my ancestor or his
parents came >from Gater in Hungary?

At the end of the 30 Year War 1618 - 1648 the
Kurpfalz, today part of the state of Baden, was laid
to waste and the local rulers tried to induce
immigrants >from many areas to resettle their land.

Please respond to me privately.

Anne Kaiser New York City

Just to add one more snippet of information to our
Moderator's explanation, KOVACS means 'smith'. My
American relatives changed KOVACS to KOVATS, so some
people could be looking at two changes of name, each
time adapting the name to where their family has
lived.

Gila Miriam Chait

Just to add one more snippet of information to our
Moderator's explanation, KOVACS means 'smith'. My
American relatives changed KOVACS to KOVATS, so some
people could be looking at two changes of name, each
time adapting the name to where their family has
lived.

Gila Miriam Chait

Last June, after receiving copies of the 1781-82 Jewish census for
Trencin [Trencsen] county >from the Hungarian National Archives, I
innocently asked the archivists (via e-mail) if they had any other Jewish
census records between 1782 and 1828. I was a bit frustrated with the
lack of surnames in the 1781-82 census and was hoping to find a way to
close some gaps in my own research. In response, the archivists did a
search, and, about a month later, told me that they had found some
interesting materials. I sent them a check and asked them to copy
whatever they had located.

Last night, I received in the mail 430 photocopied pages >from the
Hungarian National Archives. As I looked through these pages, I was
stunned. Here's what they contain:

1795: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1798: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city

1809: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1814: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen county

1818: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1821: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

Surnames are included, and there are -- quite literally -- hundreds and
hundreds of entries. In one reading, I have already taken at least three
branches of my family back a new generation. For example, I now know
that the father of my great-great-great-grandfather, Jacob Ezekiel
Teschner (1774-1849) of Vag Besztercze, was LEOPOLD /Lebl TESCHNER. He
is listed in the 1795 census and his name appears all the way through
1821.

The majority of the census records and entries are legible and easy to
read. They uniformly contain only the name of the head of the household,
and the names of wives and children are not included. In format, they
are very similar to the 1828 census. However, the difference is that
they are exclusively Jewish, and non-Jewish families in each community
are not listed.

This is a genealogical gold mine, and I am trying to figure out what to
do with these materials. Because the pages are oversized, it would take
a fair amount of time to make another set of photocopies. However, once
people have a chance to look at these, I think the reaction would be
similar to my own. For that reason, I am willing to invest some time in
making at least one set of photocopies and sending them along to someone
who might be able to transcribe them.

In the meantime, I am more than happy to do any lookups for anyone doing
research that is focused on Trencin county.

By the way, I never asked the archivists whether Jewish census records
exist for other Hungarian counties during these same years (1795-1821).
Given what I just received, it would seem likely that similar censuses
were taken of Jewish families in other parts of Hungary.

Best regards,

Robert Hanscom

Researching (all in Trencin county):
TESCHNER, WILHELM, KOHN, KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZERKOWITZ, ZWILLINGER,
and others...

Last June, after receiving copies of the 1781-82 Jewish census for
Trencin [Trencsen] county >from the Hungarian National Archives, I
innocently asked the archivists (via e-mail) if they had any other Jewish
census records between 1782 and 1828. I was a bit frustrated with the
lack of surnames in the 1781-82 census and was hoping to find a way to
close some gaps in my own research. In response, the archivists did a
search, and, about a month later, told me that they had found some
interesting materials. I sent them a check and asked them to copy
whatever they had located.

Last night, I received in the mail 430 photocopied pages >from the
Hungarian National Archives. As I looked through these pages, I was
stunned. Here's what they contain:

1795: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1798: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city

1809: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1814: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen county

1818: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

1821: JEWISH ONLY census of Trencsen city and Trencsen county

Surnames are included, and there are -- quite literally -- hundreds and
hundreds of entries. In one reading, I have already taken at least three
branches of my family back a new generation. For example, I now know
that the father of my great-great-great-grandfather, Jacob Ezekiel
Teschner (1774-1849) of Vag Besztercze, was LEOPOLD /Lebl TESCHNER. He
is listed in the 1795 census and his name appears all the way through
1821.

The majority of the census records and entries are legible and easy to
read. They uniformly contain only the name of the head of the household,
and the names of wives and children are not included. In format, they
are very similar to the 1828 census. However, the difference is that
they are exclusively Jewish, and non-Jewish families in each community
are not listed.

This is a genealogical gold mine, and I am trying to figure out what to
do with these materials. Because the pages are oversized, it would take
a fair amount of time to make another set of photocopies. However, once
people have a chance to look at these, I think the reaction would be
similar to my own. For that reason, I am willing to invest some time in
making at least one set of photocopies and sending them along to someone
who might be able to transcribe them.

In the meantime, I am more than happy to do any lookups for anyone doing
research that is focused on Trencin county.

By the way, I never asked the archivists whether Jewish census records
exist for other Hungarian counties during these same years (1795-1821).
Given what I just received, it would seem likely that similar censuses
were taken of Jewish families in other parts of Hungary.

Best regards,

Robert Hanscom

Researching (all in Trencin county):
TESCHNER, WILHELM, KOHN, KNOPFELMACHER, TAUBER, ZERKOWITZ, ZWILLINGER,
and others...

Udi,
There is a website for genealogical research of Jews in the Netherlands :

http://www.nljewgen.org

You can also ask questions at :
forum@nljewgen.org

They may have something on Hartog LEEFMANS. Good luck,

Jan Bousse Oostende, Belgium boussejan@pandora.be

Udi,
There is a website for genealogical research of Jews in the Netherlands :

http://www.nljewgen.org

You can also ask questions at :
forum@nljewgen.org

They may have something on Hartog LEEFMANS. Good luck,

Jan Bousse Oostende, Belgium boussejan@pandora.be

Dear all.

Here is a good lesson:

I received a lot of information >from a Polish researcher, with regard to
many of my family members of Posen province.
Reading the old German handwriting is not an easy task, so one can forgive
mistakes.
He wrote to me about the marriage of my G'G'aunt, Lina Arnheim, to Hartvy
Leesmans >from Amsterdam.

To try to learn more about this couple, On October 12th I wrote: "Subject: LEESMANS >from Amsterdam

My G'aunt Lina ARNHEIM >from Rogasen, married in 1909 to Hartvey LEESMANS

from Amdterdam. Their known son was called Leo. Any information will be

most appreciated."

Thanks to out fellow researcher, Sylvia Stawski, I found out that he made
two mistakes (in that case:-)), and the name should have been:

Hartog LEEFMANS

(try and write it in Gothic handwritten letters, and I'm sure that
you'll understand what happened).

So if anyone can continue >from here etc.:-)) Best regards.

Udi Cain, Jerusalem.

Dear all.

Here is a good lesson:

I received a lot of information >from a Polish researcher, with regard to
many of my family members of Posen province.
Reading the old German handwriting is not an easy task, so one can forgive
mistakes.
He wrote to me about the marriage of my G'G'aunt, Lina Arnheim, to Hartvy
Leesmans >from Amsterdam.

To try to learn more about this couple, On October 12th I wrote: "Subject: LEESMANS >from Amsterdam

My G'aunt Lina ARNHEIM >from Rogasen, married in 1909 to Hartvey LEESMANS

from Amdterdam. Their known son was called Leo. Any information will be

most appreciated."

Thanks to out fellow researcher, Sylvia Stawski, I found out that he made
two mistakes (in that case:-)), and the name should have been:

Hartog LEEFMANS

(try and write it in Gothic handwritten letters, and I'm sure that
you'll understand what happened).

So if anyone can continue >from here etc.:-)) Best regards.

Udi Cain, Jerusalem.