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Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

mindyoc
 

Have you tried this site: http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/moyt/main.htm?
Mindy Yochelson
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

I agree with Max.  Geni is by far the best tool we have for Jewish genealogy at the moment.  All of the best Jewish genealogists use it.  How do I know?  Because on Geni we can all see each other's work, correct mistakes and learn new information about resources in our areas of interest.  

Sadly, some people think genealogy is about hiding yourself and your family.  Nothing could be more wrong.  The more you share, the more you will learn.

As for Holocaust victims, we have on Geni various projects concerning the Holocaust, which are another great tool.  See the umbrella project at https://www.geni.com/projects/Holocaust-The-Final-Solution/10996

To learn more about why everyone should be using Geni for building their trees, please see my old blog at https://schoenblog.com/?p=712

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Dan Bodenheimer
 

Bill, you wrote that someone, "told me his goal was to 'memorialize' Holocaust victims." and that "this is a term used by the Mormon church to designate a ceremony in which Jewish victims of the Holocaust are baptized by the Mormon church." 

I do not agree with your premise, as I have a goal of "Memorializing" Holocaust victims so that they are never forgotten, so that we have pictures of real people, and so that we all can see that relatives linked to us were lost. All this makes it more real, and solidifies the fact that this should Never Happen Again.  I use the term memorialize, and it has nothing to do with the old LDS baptism issue from many years ago, which they refer to as "posthumous baptisms" or "proxy baptisms", not memorials.    

In accordance with a 1995 agreement, the LDS has removed more than 300,000 names of Jewish Holocaust victims from its databases, as well as subsequently removing names later identified by Jewish groups in more recent years (2012). 

Additionally, MyHeritage is an Israeli company, headquartered in Or Yehuda, Israel, and it owns and operates GENI.   
FamilySearch is run by the LDS and Ancestry.com was a spin-off from that and is headquartered in Utah.  

Dan Bodenheimer
San Diego, California
criteria for inclusion of names to a residents db in pre-war Poland #holocaust #general #names

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>
 


I need to know what the boundaries are for inclusion of victims of the Holocaust in genealogical databases. While building a db of Jewish residents I cannot decide where to cut off the margins for inclusion. Starting only from the Yiskorbooks of a specific town, I compiled a list of residents but there seemed to me to be lacking others who came before. I therefore searched JewishGen for others born in the same town to add to my db. The problem arises whether those born within a range of 50 years (or more?) to the end of WW2 are reasonable to include or not? Someone born in the town in 1890, for example, would have been about age 49 in 1939 when Poland was invaded by the Germans and the Holocaust was clearly underway. This is certainly someone who should be present in the town during the occupation and most probably alive and well (for the time being!). But what about margins of error? Is there a cut-off year for assuming that someone was not alive or present during the period 1939-1945? Should a certain age group be excluded due to life expectancy? Is it better to err on the side of inclusion or exclusion?
Please send me or post your reasoned opinions. Thanks
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Jerusalem
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Nancy Reicher
 

You may be the only honest on of all the curators, then maybe not. I know a curator and he has changed things on my verry small tree that I put up on Geni , when Geni was first alive. The things he has changed are all wrong. He refuses to do anything to help that situation. I am sorry I ever put tose two generations onto Geni. Now My trees, going back to the 1600s are all on my computers. They are shared with relatives only, and I do share very willingly.
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Nancy L. Reicher
Kansas City MO
Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"it's quite likely that the records of Jewish births, like those of marriages and deaths, were reported and registered in the town's Kehilah, where Jewish records were kept".

Few Jewish groups kept records. A ketubah was the marriage contract, so the family had the record - no rabbi was needed (unless the government required one). Most Jewish communities were small enough that people knew who had a baby or who died. The only old communities that had records were Sephardi, who were more like Catholics in that regard. 

Jews moved around a lot, and were often expelled from a town or small area, so nobody would have wanted to carry records to remember their former neighbors.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jx. Gx.
 

Bill,

Its unfortunate you had such a bad experience with Geni.  I never post my family tree on any site because once you do its tantamount to tacit acceptance for the site owners and anyone else with access to your tree to do with it as they please. In my experience with Geni, a woman researched my relatives and posted them on the Geni tree as her ancestors. When I questioned her about this she finally fessed up and agreed they weren't related to her. I asked her to remove them from her tree and never responded to me.  Send me a private message and I'll give you a suggestion of what you can do in your case.

Jeff Gee
Arizona, USA
Recommendations for Russian translation service? #translation

Josh Poritz
 

Hi all,
 
I'm looking for someone to help translate several dozen 19th century vital and census records from Russian into English. The records are handwritten in Cyrillic script.
 
I've found ViewMate to be incredibly helpful, but I'm willing to pay for higher volume / faster turnaround time if the fees are reasonable.
 
If the translator knows Polish as well then that's a bonus since I also need a couple of Polish documents translated, but if not then that's okay.
 
If you know someone or can recommend a service to help, please reply privately to (my first name).(my last name)@gmail.com.
 
Best,
 
Josh Poritz
New York, NY
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

lydgateaction@...
 

Except that it isn't anything like Wikipedia. There are a huge number of problems with this type of "genealogy" of which erroneous data is just one. But even at this level: 

Wikipedia, imperfect as it is does not involve mass cloning  and propagation of errors, not only within the Wikipedia database but elsewhere. Correction is at one point only, has to be justified, and there is a well developed structure for controlling this process. Comparing this type of nonsense  genealogy to Wikipedia is like comparing apples and belly button fluff. It's like saying that holocaust denial is a good thing because the more dishonesty out there the greater the opportunity to convey truth. 

Aubrey Blumsohn

Sheffield, UK
Re: Looking for the whereabouts of Gussie HOCH #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


NTalbot,

The certificate states that the doctor attended Gussie from March 19th to April 8th, which is 21 days.

The length of stay in hospital is 10 years, ? months, and 5 days.  This is written as 3 lines.  A bit hard to see because of the large number 2 over it.

I think the large number 2 over that part of the document could have gotten there by mistake.

I also noted that in the section for informant's name it states the info came from the records of the hospital, which may infer that no relative was found to be informed of her passing.

The certificate also states that Gussie is buried at the State Hospital cemetery.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Rosner and Feiwish Rosenkrantz born in Zychlin (lived in Lodz, perished in Holocaust). #holocaust

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with Elie Rosner of Paris, France who posted a
Page of Testimony to Yad VaShem in 2007 for his wife's grandfather,
Feiwel Rosenkrantz. descendants of Baharir rabbinical family.
Dr. Neil Rosenstein, Elizabeth, NJ
Re: Creating a map in Europe #general

davide@...
 

Hi Moishe,

As your grandparents came from Hungary and reached a port city in Italy, it is very likely that such a city was Trieste. If they continued travelling by ship from there, they had to cross the whole Adriatic sea, pass south to Sicily, cross the Mediterranean sea, enter the Atlantic ocean at Gibraltar and travel along the entire coast of Portugal, France and enter the English Channel. Otherwise, they had to stop somewhere along the western coast of France, continuing by land to Paris. Anyway, it is very unlikely they reached Paris directly by ship, as Paris is not on any coast.

But as you write that they travelled in 1938, before the war, I take the liberty to say that very likely they travelled by land, probably by train. Italy and France have a common boundary, therefore that's the easiest way to move; from Trieste they might have reached Venice, Milan, Turin, then Lyon and Paris. Or from Milan they might have reached Zuerich (Switzerland) and then crossed France to Paris.

I hope this might help.

Regards,
Davide Csermely
Italy  
davide@...
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Max Heffler
 

Just like Wikipedia provide the ability for correcting the incorrect, my tree is infinitely more correct as people have found and suggested corrections, which I have gladly made. This would be impossible with all of the siloed incorrect private trees. Seems every private siloed tree has the same and different errors that do not get corrected. I prefer progressive correctness to leave those that follow me after I am gone

 

Max Heffler

Houston

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Herrmann via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 5:17 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  

What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”

Jeffrey Herrmann
London


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
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Re: Looking for Herman/Hyman Wayler on ships manifest #general #lithuania

donna@...
 

Barbara - what search resources would you recommend? I am having a similar issue with finding a relative's manifest. I have looked at Ancestry and Family Search. I tried Steven Morse, but it doesn't link properly. I would like to try searching using different fields as you suggest.

Thanks!

~Donna Borok Moss
Re: Looking for help Zabokrich #ukraine

Sherri Bobish
 

Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

Michael Hoffman
 

A good place to look is in your local Central Library, which could/should have a copy of "Who's Who in the Theatre". this publication has not only information about Actors but information about Theatres in the UK.

Regards,

Michael Hoffman

Borehamwood,
HERTS. UK 
Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

David Lewin
 

That is precisely why web-based genealogy trees cannot be trusted.

I have long since stopped adding anything to mine

David Lewin
London


At 14:47 28/10/2020, Stephen Katz via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I'm grateful to Bill Katz (no relation, as far as I'm aware, but hey, who knows) for his thoughtful and detailed exposition of his bad experiences with geni.com. I have had had the same horrid experiences. I naively started a geni tree in the very early days of my adventure in genealogy. At some point, I realized that it had essentially been hijacked by others, who were adding all sorts of rubbish to it. When I delved into geni's policies, I became aware that when you put a tree on that site you lose control over it. I did not contact geni as Bill did, so I did not receive the unacceptable response from geni "support" that he did -- which included the appalling accusation that he'd "vandalized" his own tree! As I've said before in this forum and others, whenever anyone asks me about genealogy websites, I advise them to avoid geni at all costs.
To a poster who advised reading a site's policies before adding a tree to it: sure, one might eventually glean from the site's turgid and opaque policy recitations that someone who creates a tree on geni loses control over it, but how many prople have the time, inclination, or ability to do this? This is, indeed, what this and many other sites rely on to effectively hide how the sites actually work, and why the EU and other jurisdictions have felt the need to address it.
Stephen Katz
USA

Re: "Unehelichen"/Illegitimacy: applied to mother or child? #germany

sjgwed@...
 

Years ago, when I first found an online copy of my grandfather's 1883 birth info and name listed as "Unehelichen"/illegitimate, I wondered why, as there was no question or doubt that his parents were married in a religious ceremony.
 
Since then, I have heard that listing the birth of a Jewish baby as illegitimate was common in civil records, and that it's quite likely that the records of Jewish births, like those of marriages and deaths, were reported and registered in the town's Kehilah, where Jewish records were kept - but they were not listed in the civil offices of the town.

Susan J. Gordon
White Plains NY
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Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

ELIAS SAVADA
 

I agree with Jeffrey,
 
I gave up on Geni because it does allow people to make massive mistakes that are impossible to correct. Years ago I added a small piece of my own branch there. Someone added children for my late sister. She had none. I should know. While I might look for hints on that website, no way would I want others to mess with my full tree. Too many hands in the pot.
 
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Elias Savada
Bethesda MD
 

From: Jeffrey Herrmann
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:12:07 EDT 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  
What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”

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Elias Savada
Bethesda MD
esavada@...
Re: Looking for help Zabokrich #ukraine

Alexander Sharon
 

Len,

A Jewish history of shtetl Zabokrich is written in Russian. Please use Google translate the article.

https://stmegi.com/posts/71070/evreyskaya-istoriya-mestechka-zhabokrich/


Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
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