Date   

Re: Jews in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada #general

Adrian Lentz (Personal) <adrian_l@...>
 

Hello,

This is my first note to the list & I am a total amatuer
doing this family research so please excuse the clumsiness
of this communication....

My father, Edward Wilhelm (later changed by his mother to
William) LENTZ was born in Hamilton in 1936 & lived there
(& environs) until he entered boot camp 1952. He lived with
what he thought to be his father, Michael Maryan Lukoszaytys
(now thought to be one of a number of stepfathers he & his
siblings & half siblings had over their lifetimes), a Lithuanian
immigrant that must have hailed >from somewhere close to the
Polish frontier due to the spelling of the name. (Lukoszaytys
(& Lithuanian translations, etc.) seem to be an incredibly rare
-- I've spent months trying to find references to the name).
My father now believes his birth father was Samuel Lentz, a
Russian immigrant who married his mother, Christine Duflot
(Dufloth/Duflott) in Alberta in 1921 (date unsure, maybe 1914).

My gm was very secretive whenever by father asked about family
roots, to the extent of regularly manually altering marriage &
birth certificates, changing my father's name without his
permission at age 16, & refusing to answer questions (gm died
at age 94(92??) in 1990). I don't believe Samuel Lentz ever
lived in Hamilton. The only Canadian record I can find on the
Internet is a Samuel Lentz who shows up on a Alberta county
archive list >from (I think) the 1940s that lists him & a son as
residents.

I'm having the same frustration about the lack of Canadian
immigration sources online as an earlier list member. Wondering
whether Sam Lentz may have landed in the US before moving to the
US Midwest / Cdn Prairie provinces (gm was born in North Dakota &
I speculate a member of a South Dakota colony of Dufloths), I
checked EIDB for Samuel Lentz (& variants) where the ages might
match up. The only reasonable match is a Samuel Lentzky (age 9
in 1903) who landed Sep 1, 1903 on the Kronprinz Wilhelm out
of Bremen with his father Abraham Lentzky. Unfortunately, the
ship's manifest for that sailing of the Kronprinz is not available
online so I have no other info. The Lentzky family is listed as
Russian Jews residing in Warsaw. I went looking for Lentzky's on
PRI-Poland but can find absolutely no record of Lentzky (or any
variant I can decipher) among any of the records >from the late
19th C. on PRI-P. In EIDB I found some variants on Lentz, given
name Samuel, but their countries of origin & ages don't match
with the info on my gm's marriage certificate

I would certainly like to hear >from anyone researching Russian
Lentz's (or variants) who, >from the info above, might link with my
father's family. I am particularly interested in trying to identify
where in Russia my gf Sam Lentz may have originated (Country but
not town of origin is on marriage certificate). Any clues greatly
appreciated.

Adrian Lentz
adrian_L@telus.net

Researching: Lentz / Lentzky (& variants) (Russia / possibly
resided in Poland / known residence in North America: province of
Alberta Canada) Lukoszaytys (& variants) (Lithuania / Poland /
known residence in North America: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada)

Hello Group,
I would be pleased to hear >from residents in Hamilton Ontario
Canada or relatives, who have done or are engaged in family
searches of ancestors who came >from Russia and settled in
Hamilton (environs) during the early part of the twentieth
century. I am recommencing my search for information about
my grandparents, who arrived in Hamilton around 1905 (I think),
and became known within the Jewish community. They, along with
some of their children are resting in Hamilton's Jewish cemetery.


Family Reunion #general

raphael c greenspon
 

I was wondering if someone out there in Jewish Genealogy Land
could give me some guidance, advice, suggestions, ideas on
planing an Inaugural Family Reunion. I have never attended one
and am interested in having one. How do I come to a happy median
with observant and non observant "mishpocha".
TIG
Raphael Greenspon
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, SHERESHEVSKY, BERONOVITCH,
LIPNICK, NEVAISER, KURLAND, SCHABES, SHWINDLER


Searching Moritz Zomepfeld (Zomerfeld?) #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

I received a page of testimony >from Yad Vashem for an Awraham
Ajzan while doing a search for Eisen. The connection between
the towns of Tyzcyn in Poland and Nagyvarad in Hungary ( now
Romania) seem too much of a coincidence to not be related to
my grandfather's family and both are mentioned.Since I have
noted that the name Eisen appears on the list of surnames to
be indexed in Tyczyn, is Ajzan a different name, or would it
be the Polish spelling of Eisen? We know my grandfather lived
in Tyczyn but had a brother in Nagyvarad. The page was filled
out by a nephew ( son of Awraham's sister) and his name is
Moritz Zomepfeld ( or as close to that name as the person who
looked it up for me could get). It listed Awraham's father's
name as Khaim (Chaim was my great-grandfather's name). The page
was submitted in 1956. Does anyone know how I might institute a
search for this man, assuming he is still alive? Leslie


Catchy Subject Lines #general

Dov & Varda <yknow@...>
 

Michael Bernet wrote: "Please folk, again, subject lines aren't
there for you to be cute."

I couldn't help wondering if he was referring to me. With all
due respect, I take some time devising, 'cute,' subject lines,
in hopes they will catch peoples' eyes, make them want to read
my postings and respond. I seem to get good results with this
method and plan to continue.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


Bialykaminer Aid Society #general

larry denzer <larrydenzer@...>
 

On January 1907 my father, David Danzer (Denzer) landed on
these shores with his fiancee and settled in the lower east
side of Manhattan, New York which was referred to as "Little
Galitzia" because of the confluence of Galician Jewish emigres.
I lived on Cannon St. until I was 10 years old when we moved
to Brooklyn. Shortly after, all the tenement buildings were
razed to make room for The Lillian Wald Housing Development
and all the immigrant residents were forced to vacate for parts
unknown. At the turn of the century and after Galicians settling
there got together and formled farbands for faternalism and a
means of maintaining their culture, religion and family values
emanating >from their individual shtetls. Ostensibly, their
raison d'etre was to raise funds for their less fortunate families
and relations they had left behind in the shtetls. As far as
I can remember, my father was the ongoing secretary/treasurer
for his organization, "The Bialykaminer Aid Society". (We also
belonged to "The Parnes Family Assoc." as my mothers mlaiden name
was Parnes.) The society was named tfor the little town, Bialykamen
in Galicia, Poland where he came from. Formerly owned by Austria
it had the German name and spelling but now it is called Belyy
Kamen in Ukraine which is somewhat near Lviv, Ukraine also formerly
called Lemberg, Poland. My father was the society's last official
president and for all the continuing years that he was able he
continued to make funeral arrangements for all his past friends
and families.

For those interested the society bought two burial plots in Queens,
N. Y. for it's members and families. One is The Mt. Zion Cemetery
where my uncle is buried right next to the gravesite of Hertzel
Ingber, the author of Hatikva, whose remains were moved to israel.
The tall tombstone still stands. After World War I when Mt. Zion
became overcrowded Montifiore Cemetery was used. The Lubavitcher
Rebbe is also buried there. It is well kept and as I walk through
it each year, visiting my family, old familiar names pop out at me
from the stones.
Thank You,
larrydenzer@mybluelight.com


Re: 1930 Census - married but not at "home" #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Yes, I had a similar situation where the information was way
off in the 1930 Brooklyn census for my Mom and Dad. (sigh)

I was so excited to have an address for my NY 1930 parent's home.
I particularly wanted it to show my sister who was 4 years old at
the time as I thought she'd get a kick out of that. I knew I
wouldn't be listed as I was in utero, but it is the same address
on my birth certificate so I know the address is correct.

So, when I got to the page, here is how it was listed by Mildred
Jones #1659 page 9-A ED74-1923 and Supervisor's District #32.

Ernest Pinkus Head age 27
Selma Pinkus Wife age 27
but *no* sister Lucille Pinkus age 4 instead it showed:
Ernest Pinkus age 10 son
Selma Pinkus age 8 daughter.
Anita Baylor, a servant and interestingly there were several
areas whited out. Those areas pertained to citizenship, language,
etc. and one good thing another Pinkus name.

Good in the fact that it gives me another name I didn't have.
It's possible that the two children might have been related to
the other Pinkus, but my Uncle Irv had two daughters not a son
and daughter. Plus the Pinkus listed is a Julius Pinkus. I have
a younger cousin name Jules, who may have been named after the
"mysterious" Julius. So far no info about Julius, but I will
continue my search and see what I can find.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn,
NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

I have a potentially frustrating puzzle I wonder if anyone
else has come across in the 1930 census. Specifically, I am
researching Brooklyn, NY, and this may be limited to the
enumerator for the area I am researching. The enumerator was
a Harry FINKELSTEIN and the Enumeration District was #1454.

The family I am researching, Abraham and Fanny BARNETT, were
living at 3734 Laurel Avenue, Brooklyn, New York. They are
listed with their two grown-up children. The daughter, Lillian,
is listed as 27 years, married at 18 and status as married. Her
brother, Lawrence, is 24, married at 15 (a mistake, it should
be 20) and also listed as married. In the case of Lillian, she
is listed under her maiden, not married name. In both cases I
am stymied as I cannot find their families in the 1930 census!
The closest city directory was issued in 1933 and while Lawrence
is listed at a different address, I checked the 1930 census but
his family was not living there in 1930.

This is not an isolated case - at least on this page. A few
doors away at 3745, one finds the ABELSON family; Max and Ginnie,
along with their eight grown-up children. There are five daughters
and three sons. The youngest is 25 and all are married (one for
sixteen years!) save the youngest daughter who is 30 years old.
None of the children's families are listed, so one presumes that
they all lived elsewhere. Again, all four married daughters are
are listed under their maiden name!

has anyone else come across this situation?

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jews in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada #general

Adrian Lentz (Personal) <adrian_l@...>
 

Hello,

This is my first note to the list & I am a total amatuer
doing this family research so please excuse the clumsiness
of this communication....

My father, Edward Wilhelm (later changed by his mother to
William) LENTZ was born in Hamilton in 1936 & lived there
(& environs) until he entered boot camp 1952. He lived with
what he thought to be his father, Michael Maryan Lukoszaytys
(now thought to be one of a number of stepfathers he & his
siblings & half siblings had over their lifetimes), a Lithuanian
immigrant that must have hailed >from somewhere close to the
Polish frontier due to the spelling of the name. (Lukoszaytys
(& Lithuanian translations, etc.) seem to be an incredibly rare
-- I've spent months trying to find references to the name).
My father now believes his birth father was Samuel Lentz, a
Russian immigrant who married his mother, Christine Duflot
(Dufloth/Duflott) in Alberta in 1921 (date unsure, maybe 1914).

My gm was very secretive whenever by father asked about family
roots, to the extent of regularly manually altering marriage &
birth certificates, changing my father's name without his
permission at age 16, & refusing to answer questions (gm died
at age 94(92??) in 1990). I don't believe Samuel Lentz ever
lived in Hamilton. The only Canadian record I can find on the
Internet is a Samuel Lentz who shows up on a Alberta county
archive list >from (I think) the 1940s that lists him & a son as
residents.

I'm having the same frustration about the lack of Canadian
immigration sources online as an earlier list member. Wondering
whether Sam Lentz may have landed in the US before moving to the
US Midwest / Cdn Prairie provinces (gm was born in North Dakota &
I speculate a member of a South Dakota colony of Dufloths), I
checked EIDB for Samuel Lentz (& variants) where the ages might
match up. The only reasonable match is a Samuel Lentzky (age 9
in 1903) who landed Sep 1, 1903 on the Kronprinz Wilhelm out
of Bremen with his father Abraham Lentzky. Unfortunately, the
ship's manifest for that sailing of the Kronprinz is not available
online so I have no other info. The Lentzky family is listed as
Russian Jews residing in Warsaw. I went looking for Lentzky's on
PRI-Poland but can find absolutely no record of Lentzky (or any
variant I can decipher) among any of the records >from the late
19th C. on PRI-P. In EIDB I found some variants on Lentz, given
name Samuel, but their countries of origin & ages don't match
with the info on my gm's marriage certificate

I would certainly like to hear >from anyone researching Russian
Lentz's (or variants) who, >from the info above, might link with my
father's family. I am particularly interested in trying to identify
where in Russia my gf Sam Lentz may have originated (Country but
not town of origin is on marriage certificate). Any clues greatly
appreciated.

Adrian Lentz
adrian_L@telus.net

Researching: Lentz / Lentzky (& variants) (Russia / possibly
resided in Poland / known residence in North America: province of
Alberta Canada) Lukoszaytys (& variants) (Lithuania / Poland /
known residence in North America: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada)

Hello Group,
I would be pleased to hear >from residents in Hamilton Ontario
Canada or relatives, who have done or are engaged in family
searches of ancestors who came >from Russia and settled in
Hamilton (environs) during the early part of the twentieth
century. I am recommencing my search for information about
my grandparents, who arrived in Hamilton around 1905 (I think),
and became known within the Jewish community. They, along with
some of their children are resting in Hamilton's Jewish cemetery.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Reunion #general

raphael c greenspon
 

I was wondering if someone out there in Jewish Genealogy Land
could give me some guidance, advice, suggestions, ideas on
planing an Inaugural Family Reunion. I have never attended one
and am interested in having one. How do I come to a happy median
with observant and non observant "mishpocha".
TIG
Raphael Greenspon
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, SHERESHEVSKY, BERONOVITCH,
LIPNICK, NEVAISER, KURLAND, SCHABES, SHWINDLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Moritz Zomepfeld (Zomerfeld?) #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

I received a page of testimony >from Yad Vashem for an Awraham
Ajzan while doing a search for Eisen. The connection between
the towns of Tyzcyn in Poland and Nagyvarad in Hungary ( now
Romania) seem too much of a coincidence to not be related to
my grandfather's family and both are mentioned.Since I have
noted that the name Eisen appears on the list of surnames to
be indexed in Tyczyn, is Ajzan a different name, or would it
be the Polish spelling of Eisen? We know my grandfather lived
in Tyczyn but had a brother in Nagyvarad. The page was filled
out by a nephew ( son of Awraham's sister) and his name is
Moritz Zomepfeld ( or as close to that name as the person who
looked it up for me could get). It listed Awraham's father's
name as Khaim (Chaim was my great-grandfather's name). The page
was submitted in 1956. Does anyone know how I might institute a
search for this man, assuming he is still alive? Leslie


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Catchy Subject Lines #general

Dov & Varda <yknow@...>
 

Michael Bernet wrote: "Please folk, again, subject lines aren't
there for you to be cute."

I couldn't help wondering if he was referring to me. With all
due respect, I take some time devising, 'cute,' subject lines,
in hopes they will catch peoples' eyes, make them want to read
my postings and respond. I seem to get good results with this
method and plan to continue.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bialykaminer Aid Society #general

larry denzer <larrydenzer@...>
 

On January 1907 my father, David Danzer (Denzer) landed on
these shores with his fiancee and settled in the lower east
side of Manhattan, New York which was referred to as "Little
Galitzia" because of the confluence of Galician Jewish emigres.
I lived on Cannon St. until I was 10 years old when we moved
to Brooklyn. Shortly after, all the tenement buildings were
razed to make room for The Lillian Wald Housing Development
and all the immigrant residents were forced to vacate for parts
unknown. At the turn of the century and after Galicians settling
there got together and formled farbands for faternalism and a
means of maintaining their culture, religion and family values
emanating >from their individual shtetls. Ostensibly, their
raison d'etre was to raise funds for their less fortunate families
and relations they had left behind in the shtetls. As far as
I can remember, my father was the ongoing secretary/treasurer
for his organization, "The Bialykaminer Aid Society". (We also
belonged to "The Parnes Family Assoc." as my mothers mlaiden name
was Parnes.) The society was named tfor the little town, Bialykamen
in Galicia, Poland where he came from. Formerly owned by Austria
it had the German name and spelling but now it is called Belyy
Kamen in Ukraine which is somewhat near Lviv, Ukraine also formerly
called Lemberg, Poland. My father was the society's last official
president and for all the continuing years that he was able he
continued to make funeral arrangements for all his past friends
and families.

For those interested the society bought two burial plots in Queens,
N. Y. for it's members and families. One is The Mt. Zion Cemetery
where my uncle is buried right next to the gravesite of Hertzel
Ingber, the author of Hatikva, whose remains were moved to israel.
The tall tombstone still stands. After World War I when Mt. Zion
became overcrowded Montifiore Cemetery was used. The Lubavitcher
Rebbe is also buried there. It is well kept and as I walk through
it each year, visiting my family, old familiar names pop out at me
from the stones.
Thank You,
larrydenzer@mybluelight.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1930 Census - married but not at "home" #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Yes, I had a similar situation where the information was way
off in the 1930 Brooklyn census for my Mom and Dad. (sigh)

I was so excited to have an address for my NY 1930 parent's home.
I particularly wanted it to show my sister who was 4 years old at
the time as I thought she'd get a kick out of that. I knew I
wouldn't be listed as I was in utero, but it is the same address
on my birth certificate so I know the address is correct.

So, when I got to the page, here is how it was listed by Mildred
Jones #1659 page 9-A ED74-1923 and Supervisor's District #32.

Ernest Pinkus Head age 27
Selma Pinkus Wife age 27
but *no* sister Lucille Pinkus age 4 instead it showed:
Ernest Pinkus age 10 son
Selma Pinkus age 8 daughter.
Anita Baylor, a servant and interestingly there were several
areas whited out. Those areas pertained to citizenship, language,
etc. and one good thing another Pinkus name.

Good in the fact that it gives me another name I didn't have.
It's possible that the two children might have been related to
the other Pinkus, but my Uncle Irv had two daughters not a son
and daughter. Plus the Pinkus listed is a Julius Pinkus. I have
a younger cousin name Jules, who may have been named after the
"mysterious" Julius. So far no info about Julius, but I will
continue my search and see what I can find.

Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Odessa, Ukraine and Brooklyn,
NY; GELFAND-Minsk and Bronx, NY; YEHUDIS; KATZ, Bronx, NY

I have a potentially frustrating puzzle I wonder if anyone
else has come across in the 1930 census. Specifically, I am
researching Brooklyn, NY, and this may be limited to the
enumerator for the area I am researching. The enumerator was
a Harry FINKELSTEIN and the Enumeration District was #1454.

The family I am researching, Abraham and Fanny BARNETT, were
living at 3734 Laurel Avenue, Brooklyn, New York. They are
listed with their two grown-up children. The daughter, Lillian,
is listed as 27 years, married at 18 and status as married. Her
brother, Lawrence, is 24, married at 15 (a mistake, it should
be 20) and also listed as married. In the case of Lillian, she
is listed under her maiden, not married name. In both cases I
am stymied as I cannot find their families in the 1930 census!
The closest city directory was issued in 1933 and while Lawrence
is listed at a different address, I checked the 1930 census but
his family was not living there in 1930.

This is not an isolated case - at least on this page. A few
doors away at 3745, one finds the ABELSON family; Max and Ginnie,
along with their eight grown-up children. There are five daughters
and three sons. The youngest is 25 and all are married (one for
sixteen years!) save the youngest daughter who is 30 years old.
None of the children's families are listed, so one presumes that
they all lived elsewhere. Again, all four married daughters are
are listed under their maiden name!

has anyone else come across this situation?

Jeremy Frankel
(ex Edgware, London, England)
Oakland, California, USA


Trying to decipher 1880 census #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Someone was kins enough to send me a copy of the 1880 NY
censusThe page no. is 4, supervisor's district 1, ED # 145.

I'm wondering if anyone out there who has access to this can
tell me what the Street name is, and what the last 3 columns
ask for. It's hard to decipher.

Thanks,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills,Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to post the entry on ViewMate
so that members of this list can help you decipher the entry.
You can find ViewMate at http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/


Re: "yichus is nice, but honest and upright ancestors is better" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/14/2002 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nachum@avichai.org.il writes:

<< The moral of the story is that yichus is nice, but honest
and upright ancestors is better. I imagine that honest,
upright and important people is even better, but I have nothing
to back that up with. >>

I'm not sure how you'd classify the family of my mgm's brother.
His wife, Therese, was a granddaughter of the renowned Rabbi
Samson Rafael Hirsch, "founder" of modern orthodoxy.

Their daughter, LiseLotte Altmann was personal secretary in
London to noted author Stefan Zweig. Zweig's wife, who was
Catholic, caught them in flagrante delicte (on the office desk,
allegedly), and offered a divorce so Stefan (whom everyone adored)
could be with the woman he now loved. He and LiseLotte did
indeed marry. Zweig had fled Europe as hatred threatened, then
fled with his wife to the USA as WW 2 approached, then fled
further to Brazil when the USA entered the war--then, apprarently
having nowhere else to flee, he and LiseLotte died in a suicide
pact. They had no children.

Liselotte had a brother. Not surprising, he was also a
greatgrandson of Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch. Not surprising,
I've forgotten his name. The brother emigrated to Egypt. There
he married a Moslem woman and converted to Islam. He became
arms dealer for the Egyptian government. He's on my tree
somewhere, a little faded, a little discolored, a little ragged
around the edges and hidden by other, more glorious leaves.

Where does that leave me?

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Don Solomon
 

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/14/02, Alex Bender wrote:

To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
for ... the wrong person.
Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search?
[snip]
(I don't have my ancestor's SS number)
I had some luck where they simply sent the wrong form -- wrong
name and everything, probably copied the record next to the one
I wanted. But in your case you only provided the name and
approximate date of death; probably they did the best search
they could and that's really what you paid for.

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
If he was born in 1873, he reached retirement age just about
the time Social Security benefits began to be paid. It's very
unlikely he had a Social Security number; even without considering
his age, many categories of individuals (self-employed, government
employees, clergy, farmers) did not receive numbers until many
years later.

If he died in California, the death indexes for California are
online at www.vitalsearch-ca.com -- I have found an individual
who died in 1950 using that method.

Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to decipher 1880 census #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

Someone was kins enough to send me a copy of the 1880 NY
censusThe page no. is 4, supervisor's district 1, ED # 145.

I'm wondering if anyone out there who has access to this can
tell me what the Street name is, and what the last 3 columns
ask for. It's hard to decipher.

Thanks,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills,Ca

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to post the entry on ViewMate
so that members of this list can help you decipher the entry.
You can find ViewMate at http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "yichus is nice, but honest and upright ancestors is better" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 11/14/2002 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nachum@avichai.org.il writes:

<< The moral of the story is that yichus is nice, but honest
and upright ancestors is better. I imagine that honest,
upright and important people is even better, but I have nothing
to back that up with. >>

I'm not sure how you'd classify the family of my mgm's brother.
His wife, Therese, was a granddaughter of the renowned Rabbi
Samson Rafael Hirsch, "founder" of modern orthodoxy.

Their daughter, LiseLotte Altmann was personal secretary in
London to noted author Stefan Zweig. Zweig's wife, who was
Catholic, caught them in flagrante delicte (on the office desk,
allegedly), and offered a divorce so Stefan (whom everyone adored)
could be with the woman he now loved. He and LiseLotte did
indeed marry. Zweig had fled Europe as hatred threatened, then
fled with his wife to the USA as WW 2 approached, then fled
further to Brazil when the USA entered the war--then, apprarently
having nowhere else to flee, he and LiseLotte died in a suicide
pact. They had no children.

Liselotte had a brother. Not surprising, he was also a
greatgrandson of Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch. Not surprising,
I've forgotten his name. The brother emigrated to Egypt. There
he married a Moslem woman and converted to Islam. He became
arms dealer for the Egyptian government. He's on my tree
somewhere, a little faded, a little discolored, a little ragged
around the edges and hidden by other, more glorious leaves.

Where does that leave me?

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Don Solomon
 

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/14/02, Alex Bender wrote:

To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
for ... the wrong person.
Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search?
[snip]
(I don't have my ancestor's SS number)
I had some luck where they simply sent the wrong form -- wrong
name and everything, probably copied the record next to the one
I wanted. But in your case you only provided the name and
approximate date of death; probably they did the best search
they could and that's really what you paid for.

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
If he was born in 1873, he reached retirement age just about
the time Social Security benefits began to be paid. It's very
unlikely he had a Social Security number; even without considering
his age, many categories of individuals (self-employed, government
employees, clergy, farmers) did not receive numbers until many
years later.

If he died in California, the death indexes for California are
online at www.vitalsearch-ca.com -- I have found an individual
who died in 1950 using that method.

Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Re: Immigration from England #general

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

My great grandfather and his family went >from Poland to
England on the way to New York. In 1876, my grandfather
was born in London, and sometime that year they left for
the United States. ...I would like to know of the
possible ports they might have left England from, bound
for the U.S.
Linda

Many East European immigrants departed >from Glasgow, Scotland.
The records of departures by ship for the US, Canada etc are
held in the Public Records Office (PRO), Kew, London.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigration from England #general

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

My great grandfather and his family went >from Poland to
England on the way to New York. In 1876, my grandfather
was born in London, and sometime that year they left for
the United States. ...I would like to know of the
possible ports they might have left England from, bound
for the U.S.
Linda

Many East European immigrants departed >from Glasgow, Scotland.
The records of departures by ship for the US, Canada etc are
held in the Public Records Office (PRO), Kew, London.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow