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Sokolow Podlaski, Poland #poland

shoshi shatit <shoshi_s@...>
 

Sokolow Podlaski is my father's hometown.

I Know that Sokolow Podlaski's survivers had once their own
Organization in Israel,Argentina and the United States.

from what I know, their activity stopped a few years ago.
I was wondering if there are other people like me that would like to see
this organization re-exist in order to share some activities together like:
a community trip to Sokolow P., sharing information etc.

looking for: Wechter Family: Sokolow Podlaski
Tzudiker Family: Sokolow P., Warsaw, Plonsk and visinity
Pensak Family ,:Sokolow P.











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JRI Poland #Poland Sokolow Podlaski, Poland #poland

shoshi shatit <shoshi_s@...>
 

Sokolow Podlaski is my father's hometown.

I Know that Sokolow Podlaski's survivers had once their own
Organization in Israel,Argentina and the United States.

from what I know, their activity stopped a few years ago.
I was wondering if there are other people like me that would like to see
this organization re-exist in order to share some activities together like:
a community trip to Sokolow P., sharing information etc.

looking for: Wechter Family: Sokolow Podlaski
Tzudiker Family: Sokolow P., Warsaw, Plonsk and visinity
Pensak Family ,:Sokolow P.











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named ancestors in Vienna pre-expulsion #germany

Mark Suss <mbsuess@...>
 

Dear all,
I am busily tracing ancestors in various areas around Vienna. I know that
Jewish surnames were received around 1780 or so. Have any other members of
the group managed to trace named ancestors back to Vienna, before the
expulsion in -when was it- 1680 or so? If you have, I remember seeing a
map in the Museum of the City of Vienna of the Jewish ghetto of that time,
including the names of the tenants of each house. I am just interested in
seeing what the results might be if I get back that far!

Mark Suss Melbourne, Austria <mbsuess@hotmail.com>

Researching SUSS (Lackenbach, St Poelten and Linz, Austria)
FRISCHMANN (Lackenbach, Austria, St Poelten, Austria)
BRUDER (Papa, Veszprem, Hungary; Linz, Austria)


German SIG #Germany named ancestors in Vienna pre-expulsion #germany

Mark Suss <mbsuess@...>
 

Dear all,
I am busily tracing ancestors in various areas around Vienna. I know that
Jewish surnames were received around 1780 or so. Have any other members of
the group managed to trace named ancestors back to Vienna, before the
expulsion in -when was it- 1680 or so? If you have, I remember seeing a
map in the Museum of the City of Vienna of the Jewish ghetto of that time,
including the names of the tenants of each house. I am just interested in
seeing what the results might be if I get back that far!

Mark Suss Melbourne, Austria <mbsuess@hotmail.com>

Researching SUSS (Lackenbach, St Poelten and Linz, Austria)
FRISCHMANN (Lackenbach, Austria, St Poelten, Austria)
BRUDER (Papa, Veszprem, Hungary; Linz, Austria)


Re: need translation from Belarussian #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

I doubt that the document is in Belarusian. It is probably Russian or
Polish.
Larry Gaum
yris.jewishgen.org


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: need translation from Belarussian #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

I doubt that the document is in Belarusian. It is probably Russian or
Polish.
Larry Gaum
yris.jewishgen.org


GROSSMAN and KAGAN (COHEN) #belarus

Zvi Peretz Cohen <zpc@...>
 

We are researching two families. The first family that I am researching is
GROSSMAN >from Mogilev Guberniya (village unknown), Belarus. Hershel and
Tziporah GROSSMAN arrived in Montreal, Canada about 1900. It would be
interesting to try to follow their entrance to Canada or voyage >from Europe.
Perhaps there are other Grossmans >from Mogilev or descendents who know more
about the family or the conditions in Mogilev when they left.

The second family that I am researching are the descendents of
Ilia(Eliyahu)Hirsch KAGAN (Cohen)of Bogushevitch, Minsk Guberniya. This very
small Shtetl appears in the Shtetlfinder, and I found one population record
from 1903. Abraham Zalman COHEN emigrated to the USA in 1923, leaving all of
his family, including many younger brothers and sisters, in Minsk Guberniya.
One would hope that not all of the male siblings were killed in the Red
Army. A new immigrant friend in Israel did find, in Minsk, the records of
the "economic crimes" trial for which Ilia Hirsch KAGAN was sent to Siberia,
but I was not able to get a written copy. How could I obtain record of that
trial?

Zvi Peretz Cohen
Hoshaya, Israel 17915
zpc@netvision.net.il
Researching Grossman >from Mogilev and Cohen (Kagan)>from Bogushevitch
MODERATOR NOTE: Don't forget to search the JewishGen Family Finder
(www.jewishgen.org/jgff) and to enter your own names/towns there.


Belarus SIG #Belarus GROSSMAN and KAGAN (COHEN) #belarus

Zvi Peretz Cohen <zpc@...>
 

We are researching two families. The first family that I am researching is
GROSSMAN >from Mogilev Guberniya (village unknown), Belarus. Hershel and
Tziporah GROSSMAN arrived in Montreal, Canada about 1900. It would be
interesting to try to follow their entrance to Canada or voyage >from Europe.
Perhaps there are other Grossmans >from Mogilev or descendents who know more
about the family or the conditions in Mogilev when they left.

The second family that I am researching are the descendents of
Ilia(Eliyahu)Hirsch KAGAN (Cohen)of Bogushevitch, Minsk Guberniya. This very
small Shtetl appears in the Shtetlfinder, and I found one population record
from 1903. Abraham Zalman COHEN emigrated to the USA in 1923, leaving all of
his family, including many younger brothers and sisters, in Minsk Guberniya.
One would hope that not all of the male siblings were killed in the Red
Army. A new immigrant friend in Israel did find, in Minsk, the records of
the "economic crimes" trial for which Ilia Hirsch KAGAN was sent to Siberia,
but I was not able to get a written copy. How could I obtain record of that
trial?

Zvi Peretz Cohen
Hoshaya, Israel 17915
zpc@netvision.net.il
Researching Grossman >from Mogilev and Cohen (Kagan)>from Bogushevitch
MODERATOR NOTE: Don't forget to search the JewishGen Family Finder
(www.jewishgen.org/jgff) and to enter your own names/towns there.


Seeking translation help - Romanian/English #romania

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

I just received a reply to a letter I sent to the Jewish Community
Office in Radauti, Romania. Their reply is written in Romanian. If
someone can help me with a translation, I'll be very grateful.

The letter (3 pages) is posted to Viewmate on JewishGen. You can
find the letter on the web:

Page 1 -
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1909

Page 2-
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1910

Page 3-
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1911

Please reply directly to me; not to Rom-Sig. If the contents are of
general interest, I'll be glad to share everyone. Many thanks in
advance.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
<bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu>

--
RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN, KURTZ - Radauti and
Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine


Romania SIG #Romania Seeking translation help - Romanian/English #romania

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

I just received a reply to a letter I sent to the Jewish Community
Office in Radauti, Romania. Their reply is written in Romanian. If
someone can help me with a translation, I'll be very grateful.

The letter (3 pages) is posted to Viewmate on JewishGen. You can
find the letter on the web:

Page 1 -
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1909

Page 2-
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1910

Page 3-
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1911

Please reply directly to me; not to Rom-Sig. If the contents are of
general interest, I'll be glad to share everyone. Many thanks in
advance.

Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York
<bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu>

--
RADAUTZ: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/radauti/radautz.html
SADGURA: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/sadgura/sadgura.html
Researching: REISCH, SCHECHTER, FEUERSTEIN - Sadgura, Bukowina, Ukraine
SCHACHTER, BRUCKER/BRUKER, HALPERN, HELLMANN, KURTZ - Radauti and
Solca, Bukowina, Romania
WEISSMAN - Brody, Galicia, Ukraine SCHACHTER, HELLMANN - Okup, Ukraine


Lack of Metric (Vital) records compared to Tax/census records #general

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

David Goldman asks, "why in many cases tax/census records
from the Russian Empire can be found to exist more easily
than metric records (birth, death, marriage) in archives."

We will never know the exact answer but we can guess at
various possibilities. Tax/census records were recorded by
government appointed officials. Jewish vital records were
recorded by a Rabbi. Tax/census records were far more
important to government officials than were vital records.
Consequently, it is possible that more was done to protect
the Tax/census records, court records, police records, etc.

I am mainly familiar with the records stored in the Lithuanian
archives. I have seen records there that were recorded in
the 15th century but not Jewish records. I have seen Jewish
census records that were recorded as early as 1765 but not
Jewish vital records. Some Jewish vital records exist for the
1850's, 1860's, but not a large supply. Most of these vital
records date >from the 1880's on forward. Conversely, I have
seen Catholic vital records that date much earlier.

One possibility - my shtetl of Pushelat (Pusalotas), had a
major fire in 1911. The records pertaining to the fire damage
state that the wooden synagogue was destroyed and its records
from 1902 - 1911 were also destroyed. In the old days, most
Synagogues were built of wood while Catholic Churches were
built of stone. Could the type of construction be a factor
in the dearth of Jewish vital records? It is certainly a
possibility.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@aol.com


Hebrew Alphabet Guide on the JewishGenMall #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

The Hebrew Alphabet Guide (JewishGenMall #MBE101), made
available to us by Michael Bernet, Ph.D., is one of the
most useful items we have come across so far in the
genealogy world.

This astonishing Guide, in a sturdy, laminated, four-sided,
loose-leaf punched format, can be readily transported
"into the field." For example, it's easy to take it with
you to the cemetery when preparing to read tombstones, or,
to an archive which may have material in Hebrew that you
would ordinarily be unable to translate.

The four pages are packed full of information. The Guide
begins with a brief history of Hebrew writing and goes on
to offer Font Descriptions, Hebrew Letters as Numbers and
Dates, and abbreviations frequently used on older texts
and monuments. And this is just the first page! Pages 2
and 3 are devoted to recognizing Hebrew letters with helpful
hints for each letter and including all possible written
variations. Page 4 covers Hebrew Vowel Signs (Nikud) with
complete explanations and a chart showing "Latin" letters
and their transliterations into the Hebrew alphabet.

Best of all, this item has a very low selling price of only
$6.50. How to find it? Go to www.jewishgenmall.org and
scroll down to "Browse By Title". Type in MBE101, Click on
"Search" and the item will appear.

Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Chanukah to all,

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn, Managers
JewishGenMall
Boca Raton, Florida


Connection to famous person is some of the fun #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Pertaining to the E-mails about being a descendant of
William the Conqueror, King David, Adam and Eve or
whomever: Finding that you are somehow connected to a
famous person, wether hero or rogue, is part of the
fun in genealogy. My wife comes >from around Plymouth,
England. Her tree includes a bank robber that got away
and ended up in British Columbia. Another who worked
on the Great American Railroad. Her brother-in-law's
tree goes back to the 1500's and includes someone who
came across the channel with William the Conqueror.

Gerald I. Simon
Looking for Czarnoczapka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lack of Metric (Vital) records compared to Tax/census records #general

Howard Margol <homargol@...>
 

David Goldman asks, "why in many cases tax/census records
from the Russian Empire can be found to exist more easily
than metric records (birth, death, marriage) in archives."

We will never know the exact answer but we can guess at
various possibilities. Tax/census records were recorded by
government appointed officials. Jewish vital records were
recorded by a Rabbi. Tax/census records were far more
important to government officials than were vital records.
Consequently, it is possible that more was done to protect
the Tax/census records, court records, police records, etc.

I am mainly familiar with the records stored in the Lithuanian
archives. I have seen records there that were recorded in
the 15th century but not Jewish records. I have seen Jewish
census records that were recorded as early as 1765 but not
Jewish vital records. Some Jewish vital records exist for the
1850's, 1860's, but not a large supply. Most of these vital
records date >from the 1880's on forward. Conversely, I have
seen Catholic vital records that date much earlier.

One possibility - my shtetl of Pushelat (Pusalotas), had a
major fire in 1911. The records pertaining to the fire damage
state that the wooden synagogue was destroyed and its records
from 1902 - 1911 were also destroyed. In the old days, most
Synagogues were built of wood while Catholic Churches were
built of stone. Could the type of construction be a factor
in the dearth of Jewish vital records? It is certainly a
possibility.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Alphabet Guide on the JewishGenMall #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

The Hebrew Alphabet Guide (JewishGenMall #MBE101), made
available to us by Michael Bernet, Ph.D., is one of the
most useful items we have come across so far in the
genealogy world.

This astonishing Guide, in a sturdy, laminated, four-sided,
loose-leaf punched format, can be readily transported
"into the field." For example, it's easy to take it with
you to the cemetery when preparing to read tombstones, or,
to an archive which may have material in Hebrew that you
would ordinarily be unable to translate.

The four pages are packed full of information. The Guide
begins with a brief history of Hebrew writing and goes on
to offer Font Descriptions, Hebrew Letters as Numbers and
Dates, and abbreviations frequently used on older texts
and monuments. And this is just the first page! Pages 2
and 3 are devoted to recognizing Hebrew letters with helpful
hints for each letter and including all possible written
variations. Page 4 covers Hebrew Vowel Signs (Nikud) with
complete explanations and a chart showing "Latin" letters
and their transliterations into the Hebrew alphabet.

Best of all, this item has a very low selling price of only
$6.50. How to find it? Go to www.jewishgenmall.org and
scroll down to "Browse By Title". Type in MBE101, Click on
"Search" and the item will appear.

Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Chanukah to all,

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn, Managers
JewishGenMall
Boca Raton, Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Connection to famous person is some of the fun #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Pertaining to the E-mails about being a descendant of
William the Conqueror, King David, Adam and Eve or
whomever: Finding that you are somehow connected to a
famous person, wether hero or rogue, is part of the
fun in genealogy. My wife comes >from around Plymouth,
England. Her tree includes a bank robber that got away
and ended up in British Columbia. Another who worked
on the Great American Railroad. Her brother-in-law's
tree goes back to the 1500's and includes someone who
came across the channel with William the Conqueror.

Gerald I. Simon
Looking for Czarnoczapka


Where is R. Banyacska? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

One of my close relatives was born in a town entered in his birth record as
R. Banyacska. Any ideas what the "R." stands for and where this place
is/was located?
TIA
Tom

Moderator VK: Could this place be Rimavska Bana (with a whatchamacallit mark over the "n")? It's northwest of Rimavska Sobota.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Where is R. Banyacska? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

One of my close relatives was born in a town entered in his birth record as
R. Banyacska. Any ideas what the "R." stands for and where this place
is/was located?
TIA
Tom

Moderator VK: Could this place be Rimavska Bana (with a whatchamacallit mark over the "n")? It's northwest of Rimavska Sobota.


Modern detailed map of the Ukarine (Was: Re: town identification: Nizhny Sard) #hungary

Janos Bogardi / Radix <janos@...>
 

Hello folks,

In a recent thread Dolph mentions that he doesn't have a modern detailed
map of the Ukraine. As I haven't seen this resource mentioned on this
list, here is the URL:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/ukraine.html
(Ukraine 1:100,000 topographic maps)

These maps are >from the early 1990s, and were printed in the Soviet
Union. I wonder how this site deals with copyright issues that might
arise. Anyway, the maps are there. Note: scripts on maps are in Russian,
in Cyrillic.

Here is the URL for the Zakarpattya (Karpatalja) part of the Ukraine:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M34.html

and the sheet containing Alsosarad (Nizhneye Bolotnoe):
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-34-143.jpg
The place is at the crossing of the 56 (east-west) 50 (south-north) grid
lines, abbreviated a Nizh. Bolotnoe.

Hope this helps some.

Janos Bogardi / Radix.

Dolph Klein wrote:
---
Subject: Re: town identification: Nizhny Sard
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@acpub.duke.edu>
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:58:56 -0500

>
> > I am trying to find the modern name and location for a town called
> > Nizhny Sard (pronounced Shard). This town should be very close to
> > Khust, but I can't find any close matches on ShtetlSeeker. I
> > appreciate your help.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Adam Smith
> > New York, NY
> >
> > Moderator VK: There's a Nyz. Selysce just east of Chust.

Nizhny Sard may be a Slovak variant of Nizni Ssarad (sic). Diacritics
are
omitted. In Hungarian, the town was known as Alsosarad or Also-Sarad and
was located in Ugocsa varmegye, Tiszaninneni jaras. According to several
recent sources, the name is Nizsnye Bolotne or Nyznje Bolatne, Ukraine.
However, this town was incorporated into the town Vilchivka or Vilhivka
(formally Olyvos, Hungary). I do not have a detailed modern map of the
Ukraine, but Vilchivka/Vilhivka is located about 4 miles SE of Irsava and
about 10 miles NW of Chust.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC
---


Hungary SIG #Hungary Modern detailed map of the Ukarine (Was: Re: town identification: Nizhny Sard) #hungary

Janos Bogardi / Radix <janos@...>
 

Hello folks,

In a recent thread Dolph mentions that he doesn't have a modern detailed
map of the Ukraine. As I haven't seen this resource mentioned on this
list, here is the URL:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/ukraine.html
(Ukraine 1:100,000 topographic maps)

These maps are >from the early 1990s, and were printed in the Soviet
Union. I wonder how this site deals with copyright issues that might
arise. Anyway, the maps are there. Note: scripts on maps are in Russian,
in Cyrillic.

Here is the URL for the Zakarpattya (Karpatalja) part of the Ukraine:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M34.html

and the sheet containing Alsosarad (Nizhneye Bolotnoe):
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-34-143.jpg
The place is at the crossing of the 56 (east-west) 50 (south-north) grid
lines, abbreviated a Nizh. Bolotnoe.

Hope this helps some.

Janos Bogardi / Radix.

Dolph Klein wrote:
---
Subject: Re: town identification: Nizhny Sard
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@acpub.duke.edu>
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:58:56 -0500

>
> > I am trying to find the modern name and location for a town called
> > Nizhny Sard (pronounced Shard). This town should be very close to
> > Khust, but I can't find any close matches on ShtetlSeeker. I
> > appreciate your help.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Adam Smith
> > New York, NY
> >
> > Moderator VK: There's a Nyz. Selysce just east of Chust.

Nizhny Sard may be a Slovak variant of Nizni Ssarad (sic). Diacritics
are
omitted. In Hungarian, the town was known as Alsosarad or Also-Sarad and
was located in Ugocsa varmegye, Tiszaninneni jaras. According to several
recent sources, the name is Nizsnye Bolotne or Nyznje Bolatne, Ukraine.
However, this town was incorporated into the town Vilchivka or Vilhivka
(formally Olyvos, Hungary). I do not have a detailed modern map of the
Ukraine, but Vilchivka/Vilhivka is located about 4 miles SE of Irsava and
about 10 miles NW of Chust.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC
---