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Genealogy Meeting East London/London UK #general

A J <genealicej@...>
 

Fed up with the long, hot and sometimes, as it's the UK, not so hot
summer?
Need a fix of genealogy and to chat with like-minded family tree
researchers? Able to come to Gants Hill next Tuesday?
Just a reminder that all are welcome to the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Great Britain East of London Group's next meeting:

*Tell Us About Your Family History* evening

Tuesday, 27th August 2002 at 7.45pm.

Ilford Synagogue
22 Beehive Lane
Gants Hill
Essex

Nearest underground station is Gants Hill on the Central Line
Car drivers can get routes >from their doorstep at http://www.mapquest.co.uk

We want you to tell us about your family's past, however little or much
you know, and we'll all try to help with any brick walls!

Our special guest will be journalist and trade unionist Francis Beckett,
son of a Mosley Blackshirt, who will also be telling us about the
extraordinary twists and turns of his family history and why he has joined
the JGSGB.

On display will be a number of leaflets, books, computer resources and
other information for browsing through with the last half hour of the
meeting a chance to socialize over tea and biscuits. Entry is £1 for JGSGB
members and £2 for non-members including refreshments.

For more information about the JGSGB East of London Group, go to
http://jgsgb-eol.tripod.com (there is no www in this URL), email
shirley.collier@... or phone 020 8551 0254.

You can read about the JGSGB's East of London Group at :

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/search/display.html?nwid=576111
and
http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/archived/2002/wk26/ilford/ilffordnews/history.asp.

See also *This 'n' That* column of the September issue of Practical
Family History.

An article is set to appear in the latest issue of the Essex Jewish News.

Hope to see you at our next meeting!

JGSGB East of London Group Committee

posted via

Alice Josephs
Essex, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy Meeting East London/London UK #general

A J <genealicej@...>
 

Fed up with the long, hot and sometimes, as it's the UK, not so hot
summer?
Need a fix of genealogy and to chat with like-minded family tree
researchers? Able to come to Gants Hill next Tuesday?
Just a reminder that all are welcome to the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Great Britain East of London Group's next meeting:

*Tell Us About Your Family History* evening

Tuesday, 27th August 2002 at 7.45pm.

Ilford Synagogue
22 Beehive Lane
Gants Hill
Essex

Nearest underground station is Gants Hill on the Central Line
Car drivers can get routes >from their doorstep at http://www.mapquest.co.uk

We want you to tell us about your family's past, however little or much
you know, and we'll all try to help with any brick walls!

Our special guest will be journalist and trade unionist Francis Beckett,
son of a Mosley Blackshirt, who will also be telling us about the
extraordinary twists and turns of his family history and why he has joined
the JGSGB.

On display will be a number of leaflets, books, computer resources and
other information for browsing through with the last half hour of the
meeting a chance to socialize over tea and biscuits. Entry is £1 for JGSGB
members and £2 for non-members including refreshments.

For more information about the JGSGB East of London Group, go to
http://jgsgb-eol.tripod.com (there is no www in this URL), email
shirley.collier@... or phone 020 8551 0254.

You can read about the JGSGB's East of London Group at :

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/search/display.html?nwid=576111
and
http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/archived/2002/wk26/ilford/ilffordnews/history.asp.

See also *This 'n' That* column of the September issue of Practical
Family History.

An article is set to appear in the latest issue of the Essex Jewish News.

Hope to see you at our next meeting!

JGSGB East of London Group Committee

posted via

Alice Josephs
Essex, UK


Re: Crash course need to read Search database -RTR #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I wrote the following:
If you look at up Best on
the RTR database you find in the Grodno archive the 1808; 1912-1916 census
in Fond/Opis/Delo: 2/2/69; 492/1/108-109, 189-191; 492/3/90-94.
When I did this search it was on Brest. A search of Brest uezd or oblast on
the RTR database, revealed some additional census data listed as being in
the NHAB (Grodno):

CENSUS Year List: 1795; 1806-1808; 1816; 1831; 1834; 1850; 1851-1860; 1864;
1866-1875; 1877-1879; 1892-1896; 1855-1864 (JEWISH FARMERS)
Fond/Opis/Delo: 24/7/76, 79, 263-276, 279-281, 288-290; 292, 296-298, 309,
311; 2/2/69

Lesson learned: when using the RTR database, be sure to search not only by
town, but also by other geographic area. For example:
Brest (town)
Brest District
Brest Gmina
Brest Poviat
Brest Region
Brest Uezd.

I could not find a reference in the RTR database for the 1897 Census for
Brest uezd. Miriam Wiener has written to me informing me that she is
continually refining her database as she receives confirmations >from the
archivists.

If you look at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/grodno_archives.htm, you
will see that the 1897 census for Brest uezd shtetls can be found in fond
100, opis 1, delo 66 through 109 of the Grodno branch of the NHAB. This
inventory was done by Dimytri Panov and indicates the existence of the 1897
Russian census for portions of what was Grodno gubernia in 1897. This census
is particularly valuable because it includes males and females and has the
place of birth, place of residence at time of census, and place of
registration.

I am sorry for any confusion >from my first message on this subject.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Crash course need to read Search database -RTR #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I wrote the following:
If you look at up Best on
the RTR database you find in the Grodno archive the 1808; 1912-1916 census
in Fond/Opis/Delo: 2/2/69; 492/1/108-109, 189-191; 492/3/90-94.
When I did this search it was on Brest. A search of Brest uezd or oblast on
the RTR database, revealed some additional census data listed as being in
the NHAB (Grodno):

CENSUS Year List: 1795; 1806-1808; 1816; 1831; 1834; 1850; 1851-1860; 1864;
1866-1875; 1877-1879; 1892-1896; 1855-1864 (JEWISH FARMERS)
Fond/Opis/Delo: 24/7/76, 79, 263-276, 279-281, 288-290; 292, 296-298, 309,
311; 2/2/69

Lesson learned: when using the RTR database, be sure to search not only by
town, but also by other geographic area. For example:
Brest (town)
Brest District
Brest Gmina
Brest Poviat
Brest Region
Brest Uezd.

I could not find a reference in the RTR database for the 1897 Census for
Brest uezd. Miriam Wiener has written to me informing me that she is
continually refining her database as she receives confirmations >from the
archivists.

If you look at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/grodno_archives.htm, you
will see that the 1897 census for Brest uezd shtetls can be found in fond
100, opis 1, delo 66 through 109 of the Grodno branch of the NHAB. This
inventory was done by Dimytri Panov and indicates the existence of the 1897
Russian census for portions of what was Grodno gubernia in 1897. This census
is particularly valuable because it includes males and females and has the
place of birth, place of residence at time of census, and place of
registration.

I am sorry for any confusion >from my first message on this subject.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Re: Naming conventions #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Judith and All:

====== Judith Kunofsky wrote:

2) Have others seen cases of this following: a man has a son by a
first wife, and much younger children by a second wife. His first son
gives some of his own children the same names as the names of his
young step-brothers. =========

Just a guess, but given the age differences, e.g. time passage, it's
possible that an ancestor(s) to the father of both sets of sons is
the name source; someone who'd died by the time the youngest were
born, and who was important to the older son or the whole family as
well.


Michelle Frager, NYC


Belarus SIG #Belarus re: Naming conventions #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Judith and All:

====== Judith Kunofsky wrote:

2) Have others seen cases of this following: a man has a son by a
first wife, and much younger children by a second wife. His first son
gives some of his own children the same names as the names of his
young step-brothers. =========

Just a guess, but given the age differences, e.g. time passage, it's
possible that an ancestor(s) to the father of both sets of sons is
the name source; someone who'd died by the time the youngest were
born, and who was important to the older son or the whole family as
well.


Michelle Frager, NYC


JewishGen-erosity #belarus

Rlberliner@...
 

A Healthy & Happy New Year to all!

Many thanks for the help I've received >from the Jewishgen sites, both from
the posts and private email.

At Rosh Hashonah each year, I hope to make a contribution within my means to
JewishGen-erosity to add to these good wishes and show my appreciation.

Thanks, Jewishgen!

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA

MODERATOR NOTE: JG thanks you!!!


Belarus SIG #Belarus JewishGen-erosity #belarus

Rlberliner@...
 

A Healthy & Happy New Year to all!

Many thanks for the help I've received >from the Jewishgen sites, both from
the posts and private email.

At Rosh Hashonah each year, I hope to make a contribution within my means to
JewishGen-erosity to add to these good wishes and show my appreciation.

Thanks, Jewishgen!

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA

MODERATOR NOTE: JG thanks you!!!


Re: Name Translation: Fayvel/ Faivish/ Feivel #lithuania

EilatGordn@...
 

At 16:27 8/22/02 -0400, James R. Platt wrote:

<<Is there a common translation of the given names "Fayvel"
Cheking; http://www.xrefer.com/entry/566392

Faivish (male) Pet forms: Fayvel, Feivel.
Jewish (Yiddish): probably >from Greek Phoibos, an epithet of the sun god
Apollo. It is said to have been adopted as a learned translation equivalent
of Hebrew Shimshon (see Samson), but it is more likely derived directly >from the Greek. The Greeks often named captured slaves after gods, and it would thus have been likely for Jews to come to have this name. It was often paired with the Aramaic name Shraga meaning 'fire, lantern' as Shraga Faivish, since it was important for Jewish men to be called by a Hebrew or Aramaic name in certain religious rites.

A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, Patrick Hanks and
Flavia Hodges 1990

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles
http://eilatgordinlevitan.com/

Shtetl pages for
Dolhinov
Krasne
Krivichi
Kurenets
Radoshkovichi
Vashki
Vileyka
Vishnevo
Volozhin


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Name Translation: Fayvel/ Faivish/ Feivel #lithuania

EilatGordn@...
 

At 16:27 8/22/02 -0400, James R. Platt wrote:

<<Is there a common translation of the given names "Fayvel"
Cheking; http://www.xrefer.com/entry/566392

Faivish (male) Pet forms: Fayvel, Feivel.
Jewish (Yiddish): probably >from Greek Phoibos, an epithet of the sun god
Apollo. It is said to have been adopted as a learned translation equivalent
of Hebrew Shimshon (see Samson), but it is more likely derived directly >from the Greek. The Greeks often named captured slaves after gods, and it would thus have been likely for Jews to come to have this name. It was often paired with the Aramaic name Shraga meaning 'fire, lantern' as Shraga Faivish, since it was important for Jewish men to be called by a Hebrew or Aramaic name in certain religious rites.

A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, Patrick Hanks and
Flavia Hodges 1990

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles
http://eilatgordinlevitan.com/

Shtetl pages for
Dolhinov
Krasne
Krivichi
Kurenets
Radoshkovichi
Vashki
Vileyka
Vishnevo
Volozhin


New names--MUROWITZER, MORAWITZE #belarus

Joy Muter <joy9063@...>
 

I am searching for a few new names I've come across:
Hersch and Schije Murowitzer (arrived 1910) and
Riwka and Franciskus Morawitze.

I found these names thanks to a letter on the board >from Joel in Spain.

Joy Muter
Toronto, Canada
Searching for: Muterow, Murowitzer, Morawitze, Mutteroff, Yudashkin


Belarus SIG #Belarus New names--MUROWITZER, MORAWITZE #belarus

Joy Muter <joy9063@...>
 

I am searching for a few new names I've come across:
Hersch and Schije Murowitzer (arrived 1910) and
Riwka and Franciskus Morawitze.

I found these names thanks to a letter on the board >from Joel in Spain.

Joy Muter
Toronto, Canada
Searching for: Muterow, Murowitzer, Morawitze, Mutteroff, Yudashkin


cjsi #ukraine

Stan Kamens <tkfam@...>
 

After many years of looking for evidence of the name Dozortsov,
it came up on an Avotaynu site. I found a soundex code # 349470.
How do I use this number? Whose data base is it from, the FHL?
Also this name is >from PIRATIN,UKRAINE. Any one else interested
in this town?


Stan Kamens
(signed by Moderator)

Moderator's Note: This is sthe Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex System and
information on it's use can be found in the JewishGen InfoFiles at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine cjsi #ukraine

Stan Kamens <tkfam@...>
 

After many years of looking for evidence of the name Dozortsov,
it came up on an Avotaynu site. I found a soundex code # 349470.
How do I use this number? Whose data base is it from, the FHL?
Also this name is >from PIRATIN,UKRAINE. Any one else interested
in this town?


Stan Kamens
(signed by Moderator)

Moderator's Note: This is sthe Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex System and
information on it's use can be found in the JewishGen InfoFiles at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/


Going to Latvia in October #latvia

J. Weinstock <yehuda1@...>
 

Greetings, I am a new member of the Latvia SIG.
Will be going to Latvia in early October to visit long-lost cousins
in Riga and family shtetls in Latgale (Vilany, Varaklani and Bikeva).
I've made contact with Aleksander Feigmanis as a possible guide.
Would very much appreciate any tips >from SIG members re:
-- research in the Historical Archives
-- travel around Latgale region
-- general advice

Thanks in advance for any help you may provide,
Yehuda Weinstock


Latvia SIG #Latvia Going to Latvia in October #latvia

J. Weinstock <yehuda1@...>
 

Greetings, I am a new member of the Latvia SIG.
Will be going to Latvia in early October to visit long-lost cousins
in Riga and family shtetls in Latgale (Vilany, Varaklani and Bikeva).
I've made contact with Aleksander Feigmanis as a possible guide.
Would very much appreciate any tips >from SIG members re:
-- research in the Historical Archives
-- travel around Latgale region
-- general advice

Thanks in advance for any help you may provide,
Yehuda Weinstock


Re: Stawiski Landowner Magnate #poland

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear All:

Form the responses I have received, there were two landowners: The first was
Count Fortunat Zamoyski- >from the "olden" times as Alex Sharon and Stan
Goodman both found on Google. Alex also translated into English the history
of Stawiski that was found on the Google search where it talks of Count
Zamoyski.

Ryzard Plutecki called the local Stawiski mayor and town priest and spoke to
them on my behalf, and has acted as go between for the priest and myself
translating English and Polish where necessary!. The more "recent" town
owner was named Kisielnicki. If anything comes of this contact regarding
any records that might be of interest I will let you know.

While I have thanked Alex, Stan and Ryzard privately, let me take the time
now to thank them publicly. The help one receives >from this forum is truly
phenomenal - all go the extra mile.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA

SEARCHING:
KLAJNMAN, SZLANG-- Sochaczew, Poland
FREJER, IMJAK, WILAMOWSKY, KREPLAK, SZPIRA, SOBOTKA, PIATKOWSKA, --
Lomza-Stawiski,POLAND
GUTFARB -- Zambrow, POLAND
REICH, WALD, ZSUPNIK-- Eperjes, HUNGARY/Presov,SLOVAKIA; Szivdnik; Sebes
Kellemes, HUNGARY(Sarisske Luky, SLOVAKIA) Salgo, HUNGARY
MEISELS, SEGAL, LIEBERMAN --Brody, UKRAINE


Kielce: JANKIELEWSKI family Holocaust survivor in Radzilow #poland

Jose Gutstein
 

Rachel Finkielsztejn survived the Holocaust in Radzilow. She married her
Catholic rescuer Stanislaw Ramotowski, and thereafter changed her name to
Marianna Ramotowska. She is 92 years old and living in an old age home in
Warsaw. Stanislaw passed away just a few months ago.

http://www.radzilow.com/rachel.htm

I've already located Rachel's cousins on her father's side (Finkielsztejn),
a tree that is documented in Radzilow going back to at least the mid-1700's.
Now I'd like to see if anyone on her mother's side can be found. The
interesting thing is that it has now come to my attention that
Rachel/Marianna's mother was not >from anywhere near Radzilow, but was from
Kielce, over 190 miles away. Her full maiden name was Sora JANKIELEWSKI.
I also have details on Sora's father.

As the story has now been developed: Sora Jankielewski's family lived in
Kielce. It was a wealthy and well-educated family. One of her brothers was
an engineer, another a doctor, and a third, not known. But they didn't have
enough money or luck to find a good husband for Sora in Kielce, so they
found the owner of a mill in Radzilow (Yitzhak Finkielsztejn), quite a
distance away in those days. Rachel was born in Radzilow in 1910. She
finished primary school there, but her mother wanted a better life for her
in the big city and so she sent her to the family of her brother back in
Kielce, where she finished gymnasium. Rachel came back often to Radzilow
for vacations, but when the war broke out in 1939 she came back to Radzilow
for good and found herself there on July 7, 1941, the day almost all of the
town's residents, including her parents and siblings, were herded into a
barn and set afire. Rachel survived, thanks to Stanislaw Ramotowski.

I have received a couple dozen photos of Marianna, some pre-war, taken in
Kielce and Radzilow. Two of the photos >from Kielce are quite a find, for
they show her in front of the Chevrolet agency where she worked.

I've contacted the Kielce landsmanshaftn in Israel about any Jankielewski
family, but so far no response.

While Sora's immediate family probably perished, I have to believe there's a
good chance some Jankielewski cousins emigrated >from Kielce before the
Holocaust. Given the distance between Radzilow and Kielce, it's easy to
understand that any Jankielewski cousins abroad would have no knowledge of a
cousin who survived in Radzilow.

If anyone knows on a Jankielewski family living anywhere, that was
originally >from Kielce or anywhere nearby, please let me know.

Thank you,

Jose Gutstein
E-Mail: Gutstein@...
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com


Stanley Diamond in Washington (DC) Jewish Week #poland

Eugene L Sadick <elsadick@...>
 

Stanley Diamond and the Jri project was the subect of a small article in
the the Washington (DC) Jewish Week newspaper on July 25, 2002. The
article was titled "Polish Jewry Tallied Online." It was written by Bill
Gladstone for the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

Stanley, the Zedecks and Michael Tobias are a rare group, devoting
themselves unselfishly in the pursuit of family history for people they
didn't even know at the beginning. Those of us who have roots in Ostrova
(Ostrow Mazowiecka)are especially thankful.

Eugene Sadick
Silver Spring, MD.


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JRI Poland #Poland RE: Stawiski Landowner Magnate #poland

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear All:

Form the responses I have received, there were two landowners: The first was
Count Fortunat Zamoyski- >from the "olden" times as Alex Sharon and Stan
Goodman both found on Google. Alex also translated into English the history
of Stawiski that was found on the Google search where it talks of Count
Zamoyski.

Ryzard Plutecki called the local Stawiski mayor and town priest and spoke to
them on my behalf, and has acted as go between for the priest and myself
translating English and Polish where necessary!. The more "recent" town
owner was named Kisielnicki. If anything comes of this contact regarding
any records that might be of interest I will let you know.

While I have thanked Alex, Stan and Ryzard privately, let me take the time
now to thank them publicly. The help one receives >from this forum is truly
phenomenal - all go the extra mile.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA

SEARCHING:
KLAJNMAN, SZLANG-- Sochaczew, Poland
FREJER, IMJAK, WILAMOWSKY, KREPLAK, SZPIRA, SOBOTKA, PIATKOWSKA, --
Lomza-Stawiski,POLAND
GUTFARB -- Zambrow, POLAND
REICH, WALD, ZSUPNIK-- Eperjes, HUNGARY/Presov,SLOVAKIA; Szivdnik; Sebes
Kellemes, HUNGARY(Sarisske Luky, SLOVAKIA) Salgo, HUNGARY
MEISELS, SEGAL, LIEBERMAN --Brody, UKRAINE