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Luria family #belarus

bgreenfield7@...
 

Please excuse my ignorance but what does "Solomon(aka > The Maharshal)
Luria who lived in the 1500's." mean? I know there was a famous Rabbi Luria
but what does Marharshal mean?

Bette Greenfield
Dayton, NJ
MARSCHAK, MARSHALL, SEPSENWOL - Hororok, Minsk, and Voloshyn


Belarus SIG #Belarus Luria family #belarus

bgreenfield7@...
 

Please excuse my ignorance but what does "Solomon(aka > The Maharshal)
Luria who lived in the 1500's." mean? I know there was a famous Rabbi Luria
but what does Marharshal mean?

Bette Greenfield
Dayton, NJ
MARSCHAK, MARSHALL, SEPSENWOL - Hororok, Minsk, and Voloshyn


SIG Conference info for non-attendees and others #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear List:

Perhaps Joyce Weaver's comments might form a new policy - recording
the meetings and making those tapes available at a minimim cost to
interested parties. Simple to do, cheap, and hugely helpful.

Michelle Frager, NY


SINGER in Grodno #belarus

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am trying to follow a thread concerning my mggm, Guta (Gussie)SINGER
HANTMAN and I am lost as to where to begin. This is what I know:

Guta was born in about 1856 to Meir SINGER and Sarah BERGER. Family lore
says that Meir SINGER was a baker in Grodno or therabouts. They had at least
one other child, Jennie, born about 1859. Guta married Vulf Hantman
(Gantman) >from Smilovichi in about 1875-80 and they had 7 children: Mae,
Annie & Sam (twins), Sarah, Israel (aka Jessie, b. (1888), Al, (1889), and
Evno (aka Jacob, George and Jack, b. 1894). My mgf was Jack (Evno) and he
told me that they came to the US (NYC) as a family when he was 2 - about
1896. The settled on the Lower East Side. In about 1910, they moved to
Norwich, CT (near Colchester Road), where they operated a farm and boarded
visitors >from NYC. All of the children married and my gf and his brother Al
changed their last names to HARTMAN. Al and Jesse married sisters, Rose and
Rebecca Cohen.

I would like to try to find the information regarding the date and ship that
they came on. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and his
application is blank in the area regarding this point. I also have his birth
certificate that confirms his date of birth as being in December, 1894. He
was born in Sverzhen' (then Mogilev gubernia).

I would also like to try to find out anything that I can regarding the
SINGER family >from Grodno(?), but I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

By the way, Jennie SINGER married Aaron SCHITMAN and they lived on Madison
Avenue in Hartford, CT. Jennie's granddaugher, Estelle COHEN and my mother
Estelle KATZ, both told stories of what wonderful bread Guta baked, despite
the fact that in her later years she was blind and my ggf would have to hand
her the ingredients. They said that the family said that she had a gift for
baking that ran in the family. Guta died in May, 1936, while visiting in CT.
Six months later my ggf died - the family says that he died of a broken
heart.

Any ideas for how I can pursue this?

Marlene Bishow
Potomac, MD USA
MLBISHOW@...
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus
GOLDSTEIN: Newtown,CT, NYC


Belarus SIG #Belarus SIG Conference info for non-attendees and others #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear List:

Perhaps Joyce Weaver's comments might form a new policy - recording
the meetings and making those tapes available at a minimim cost to
interested parties. Simple to do, cheap, and hugely helpful.

Michelle Frager, NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus SINGER in Grodno #belarus

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am trying to follow a thread concerning my mggm, Guta (Gussie)SINGER
HANTMAN and I am lost as to where to begin. This is what I know:

Guta was born in about 1856 to Meir SINGER and Sarah BERGER. Family lore
says that Meir SINGER was a baker in Grodno or therabouts. They had at least
one other child, Jennie, born about 1859. Guta married Vulf Hantman
(Gantman) >from Smilovichi in about 1875-80 and they had 7 children: Mae,
Annie & Sam (twins), Sarah, Israel (aka Jessie, b. (1888), Al, (1889), and
Evno (aka Jacob, George and Jack, b. 1894). My mgf was Jack (Evno) and he
told me that they came to the US (NYC) as a family when he was 2 - about
1896. The settled on the Lower East Side. In about 1910, they moved to
Norwich, CT (near Colchester Road), where they operated a farm and boarded
visitors >from NYC. All of the children married and my gf and his brother Al
changed their last names to HARTMAN. Al and Jesse married sisters, Rose and
Rebecca Cohen.

I would like to try to find the information regarding the date and ship that
they came on. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and his
application is blank in the area regarding this point. I also have his birth
certificate that confirms his date of birth as being in December, 1894. He
was born in Sverzhen' (then Mogilev gubernia).

I would also like to try to find out anything that I can regarding the
SINGER family >from Grodno(?), but I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

By the way, Jennie SINGER married Aaron SCHITMAN and they lived on Madison
Avenue in Hartford, CT. Jennie's granddaugher, Estelle COHEN and my mother
Estelle KATZ, both told stories of what wonderful bread Guta baked, despite
the fact that in her later years she was blind and my ggf would have to hand
her the ingredients. They said that the family said that she had a gift for
baking that ran in the family. Guta died in May, 1936, while visiting in CT.
Six months later my ggf died - the family says that he died of a broken
heart.

Any ideas for how I can pursue this?

Marlene Bishow
Potomac, MD USA
MLBISHOW@...
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus
GOLDSTEIN: Newtown,CT, NYC


Re: More information please #unitedkingdom

David Kravitz
 

Type Hyamson Collection into Google search engine and enjoy the 130+
entries.


"In a recent posting to this list, Laurence Harris wrote: "As one approach, I
searched the Hyamson Collection." Can someone please explain what the
Hyamson Collection is?

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia"
=======================================================================

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England

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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: More information please #unitedkingdom

David Kravitz
 

Type Hyamson Collection into Google search engine and enjoy the 130+
entries.


"In a recent posting to this list, Laurence Harris wrote: "As one approach, I
searched the Hyamson Collection." Can someone please explain what the
Hyamson Collection is?

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia"
=======================================================================

David Kravitz
Bournemouth
England

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Need confirmation Moses HAENDEL is my father in "Juden in Wien" Aufbau May 1946. #general

Evelyne Haendel <haendelevelyne@...>
 

Hello,
I badly need help.
I am new and trying to find my way. 2 days ago (yesterday I sent
a messsage in HTML which was returned) I had the shock of my life
because I found my father's name (HAENDEL Moses) in a german language
list of survivors of the holocaust!!!!JewishGen- Published Lists of
Survivors, in German-Language newspaper Aufbau, Sept. 1944-Sept1946.
So far I believed and still do that he died in Auschwitz between 42
and 45 and here I read that he survived and came back to Vienna.
I can't believe it. Anyhow I badly need to verfy this information
hown in Jewishgen Databases >from Aufbau. For some listed names there
is a possibility to go to view the Aufbau page; Unfornately not for
the "Juden in Wien. I have tried USHMM and also the Aufbau sites but
can't reach the right place. I have no knowlege of German and my
English vocabulary is limited. I live in Belgium.

Can someone help me? it really is difficult to live with such an
event!

Thank you.
Evelyne Haendel
haendelevelyne@hotmail. com


Re: NY Death Certificate #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

The key for this notation is given in the front of the city index
for a given year.

... His death certificate number is 30Y.
I have been told that the "Y" indicates he died outside of the 5
boroughs. Does this indicate "somewhere in NY State" or could it
indicate outside of the State of New York.
Dave,
David Rothman
Hawthorne, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need confirmation Moses HAENDEL is my father in "Juden in Wien" Aufbau May 1946. #general

Evelyne Haendel <haendelevelyne@...>
 

Hello,
I badly need help.
I am new and trying to find my way. 2 days ago (yesterday I sent
a messsage in HTML which was returned) I had the shock of my life
because I found my father's name (HAENDEL Moses) in a german language
list of survivors of the holocaust!!!!JewishGen- Published Lists of
Survivors, in German-Language newspaper Aufbau, Sept. 1944-Sept1946.
So far I believed and still do that he died in Auschwitz between 42
and 45 and here I read that he survived and came back to Vienna.
I can't believe it. Anyhow I badly need to verfy this information
hown in Jewishgen Databases >from Aufbau. For some listed names there
is a possibility to go to view the Aufbau page; Unfornately not for
the "Juden in Wien. I have tried USHMM and also the Aufbau sites but
can't reach the right place. I have no knowlege of German and my
English vocabulary is limited. I live in Belgium.

Can someone help me? it really is difficult to live with such an
event!

Thank you.
Evelyne Haendel
haendelevelyne@hotmail. com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY Death Certificate #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

The key for this notation is given in the front of the city index
for a given year.

... His death certificate number is 30Y.
I have been told that the "Y" indicates he died outside of the 5
boroughs. Does this indicate "somewhere in NY State" or could it
indicate outside of the State of New York.
Dave,
David Rothman
Hawthorne, CA


The name "Zettchen" #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I have found my husband's ggrandparents listed at SLC in Ira Glazier's
"Germans to America," arriving in NY >from Bremen 11 July 1854. Their
village in Germany is not listed, though they may have been >from Hesse
Kassel. He is listed as Abraham, which matches what we know, but she is
listed as Zettchen.

I asked the German 'experts' working that day if they were familiar with
the name Zettchen and they were not, though, I don't know how much they
know about Jewish names. Anyway, I'm wondering what else Zettchen could
be. We have Abraham and his wife "Matilda" on the 1870 Baltimore, MD US
Census, and I'm pretty sure their first child was born in Baltimore in
1856. There is an age discrepancy with Zettchen and Matilda, but I know
that is common, so I'm wondering, do you think they could be the same and
Matilda is the anglicized name? Regards and TIA,

Connie Fisher Newhan Yorba Linda, California <YLCA87@...>


German SIG #Germany The name "Zettchen" #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

I have found my husband's ggrandparents listed at SLC in Ira Glazier's
"Germans to America," arriving in NY >from Bremen 11 July 1854. Their
village in Germany is not listed, though they may have been >from Hesse
Kassel. He is listed as Abraham, which matches what we know, but she is
listed as Zettchen.

I asked the German 'experts' working that day if they were familiar with
the name Zettchen and they were not, though, I don't know how much they
know about Jewish names. Anyway, I'm wondering what else Zettchen could
be. We have Abraham and his wife "Matilda" on the 1870 Baltimore, MD US
Census, and I'm pretty sure their first child was born in Baltimore in
1856. There is an age discrepancy with Zettchen and Matilda, but I know
that is common, so I'm wondering, do you think they could be the same and
Matilda is the anglicized name? Regards and TIA,

Connie Fisher Newhan Yorba Linda, California <YLCA87@...>


Re: Regarding Yarzheit Observance #general

yonatan@...
 

All countings of mourning are >from the date of death (hebrew date
ofcourse),- end of "shloshim (thirty days), 11 months, 12 months and
Yahrzeit- except for the Shiva which is >from date of burial.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

I am trying to figure out what day my grandfather died. According
to the Social Security Administration he died in November 1986.
According to Goldsteins' Rosenberg's Raphael Sacks Inc. his yarzheit
observance date was November 29, 2000 or Kislev 2. Kislev 2 in 1986
was December 4th. Would his yarzheit be observed on his burial date
rather than his death date?
Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA


Romanian Shul - St. Louis - Missouri. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

from previous requests and your responses I now know more about
my family in St. Louis.

However, I still need help…

Joseph and Nechame NADLER >from Botosani, Romania, together with
their children Rifka (Beckie), Moritz (Morris), Yirl, Sima and
Naftule arrived in St. Louis in 1902. Address 8015 7th St. St. Louis
(how long they stayed there for I don’t know).

Although it has taken time I have found out that Beckie married
a Max Hershkowitz and moved to New York, buried in Elmont Long
Island. Morris married a Fannie Seigal, had 6 children and continued
to live in St. Louis, and is buried there. (I am now in contact with
members of his family)

Through the most wonderful volunteers working for the St. Louis
Genealogical Soc I have found the burial place of Joseph, but not of
his wife Nechame. Nor can I find any information on their other
children Yirl, Sima and Naftule.

Morris was married in 1906 by Rabbi Z Rosenfeld of the Sheerith
Sfard Congregation (Romanian shul) also know as Chevrah Sheiray
Sfard. Records of this congregation were I was told kept in the St.
Louis Jewish Library in the Brodsky Centre. Again a most wonderful
volunteer went to check this out but found ‘the box’ contained
nothing more than a few inconsequential papers.

How can records of a large congregation just disappear when the shul
becomes defunct? Surely there must be ledgers of births/marriages/
deaths somewhere?

A Dr. Walter Ehrlich has written a book entitled Zion in the Valley
(about the Jews of St. Louis) – does anyone know how I can contact
this gentleman directly to see if he has any information?

Does anyone have family who used to belong to the Sheerith Sfard
Congregation and might be able to throw light on the matter?

The other Romanian shul in St. Louis was the Ahavas Achim Anshei
Romania – however as Morris was married under the auspices of the
Sheerith Sfard I shall concentrate my search towards that community
whose members were mostly buried in the Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery.

I look forward to any suggestions anyone may have.

Thank you all once again for your previous assistance.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

MODERATOR NOTE: Contact information for Dr. Walter Ehrlich should be
sent privately.


Researcher in Khmelnitsky archive and Nova Ushitsa cemeteries? #general

dg <davic1@...>
 

I was interested in knowing of anyone who has successfully worked
with a researcher in the archives of Khmelnitsky, Ukraine. Also, does
anyone know if it is possible to discover whether Jewish cemeteries
still exist in the villages of Kalus and Butsnevtsy in the former
district of Nova Ushitsa. Apparently when my great-grandparents and
their children had reported coming >from Nova Ushitsa/Latnowitz, they
very possibly meant those two villages. Please respond privately.

Thanks,
David Goldman


reusing EIDB One Step results #general

Goulnik, Yves {PBC~Basel}
 

I have been successfully using the One Step EIDB script provided
by Stephen Morse and Michael Tobias. After fiddling with it in
various ways, I came up with the following approach :

- only specify Last Name as criterion, using 'sounds like' option,
- high number of hits per page, to try and get all results at once
- save the resulting file (.htm) for reference

from there on, I open it with Excel (spreadsheet) so the list which
can be sorted by place of residence or arrival date in combination
with last name.

Age is a little tricky as the year/month indication skews the sort
method (e.g. '2 y 6 m' will come between say '19y' and '20 y'. And
so children below 10 will be scattered all over - only way out would
be for the script to add a 0 in front for all such cases.

I just wanted to share this little trick I use in conjunction with
what is a major improvement to the basic EIDB interface. I should
add that doing this also helps minimize access to EIDB.

Yv

Yv Goulnik
Mulhouse, FRANCE
http://goulniky.free.fr/
yves.goulnik@...

Researching:
GULNIK (GULNICK, GOLNIK, GOLNICK...) >from Ternovka then Odessa, Ukraine
SCHLAPOSHNIK, PIKOWSKI, SALAMANOVITCH, TRIGER


How Do I Obtain a Death Certificate from Perth Amboy, NJ, USA? #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

There seems to be a discrepancy in the date of my grandfather's
death. The SSA lists him as dying in Nov 1986, but his yarzheit
is observed for what would have been 04 Dec 1986. He died in a
nursing home in Perth Amboy, NJ. I don't know the name of the
nursing home. I seem to recall some discussion about NJ making it
more difficult to obtain vital records. How do I obtain a death
certificate >from Perth Amboy, NJ? Where do I order it from? What
do I have to do to prove relationship? How much does it cost?

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Regarding Yarzheit Observance #general

yonatan@...
 

All countings of mourning are >from the date of death (hebrew date
ofcourse),- end of "shloshim (thirty days), 11 months, 12 months and
Yahrzeit- except for the Shiva which is >from date of burial.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem/Efrat

I am trying to figure out what day my grandfather died. According
to the Social Security Administration he died in November 1986.
According to Goldsteins' Rosenberg's Raphael Sacks Inc. his yarzheit
observance date was November 29, 2000 or Kislev 2. Kislev 2 in 1986
was December 4th. Would his yarzheit be observed on his burial date
rather than his death date?
Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA