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To donate or not-that is the question! #general

Howard Margol
 

During the recent conference in Toronto, several organizations
with large databases on the internet, announced that without
additional donations their future may be a short lived one. Some
individuals took exception to this "request for money". Some felt
that their donation of "time" was sufficient and the request for
cash donations did not apply to them.

Whether we like it or not, the days of a "free lunch" are coming
closer and closer in ceasing to exist. I am afraid that all of us
have become spoiled by the free databases that have been made
available to us.

A number of major genealogy databases were, until recently, free.
Now, you have to pay a fee to access them. I am afraid that it is
only a matter of time before sites like Jewishgen, Litvak SIG, as
well as other databases, will either be "frozen in time", or have
to close down altogether due to a lack of funds. Volunteerism is
great but, if there is no money with which to purchase needed
hardware, software, search engines, records, etc., the volunteers
will have nothing to do or work with. Ancestry.com used to be free.
Now, they charge $100 USD per year to access their database. All
things considered, it is still a small price to pay for what they
offer that is accessible >from the comfort of your home.

At the recent conference in Toronto I was shocked when I learned
that of the many, many thousands who use Jewishgen almost on a daily
basis only a comparative few donate any money to Jewishgen. I find
it difficult to believe that most of these non-donators are living
on such a limited budget that they cannot afford 50 cents per week.
A minimum of 10,000 users (and that is a very conservative number),
donating 50 cents weekly to Jewishgen, would solve a lot of problems.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Jewishgen had to shut down
for an entire month. Perhaps we need to find out what it would be
like to be without Jewishgen. That action may serve as a wake-up
call to all of us.

I have always made it a personal policy to not tell others how to
spend their money. However, I have also been a firm believer in
marketing a good product. No one is forced to donate money even if
what they are being offered is well worth the price. Example: Litvak
SIG has a policy that if you donate $100 USD to a particular Uezyd,
or District, you will receive all of the translated records received
for that District many months prior to it appearing in the ALD. Is
that a bargain? You bet it is.

Contrast that with sending a research request to the Historical
Archive in Vilnius. You have to send a research fee of $100 USD
plus $13 for a translation of each record they find for your
ancestors. If you request a search for several surnames and several
different towns, more money will required to be sent. Sending a
research request to the Kaunas Archive will require similar amounts
to be sent there as well. For a single $100 donation to the Litvak
SIG, you will receive many, many records >from both archives. Rather
than look at it as a $100 expenditure you cannot afford, consider
it as a real bargain you cannot afford to pass up.

I am in no way criticizing the Lithuanian archives for what they
charge. They are forced to do that in order to support the service
they provide. Also, I have no official position with Jewishgen or
with the Litvak SIG so my comments involving those organizations
are strictly my own. Neither are my comments intended as criticizm
of those who would like to donate but, for various reasons, are
simply not in a position to do so. I would hope that those in that
situation would number in the hundreds and not in the thousands as
the facts suggest.

I am sure there are those who would disagree with my position. I
have no problem with that. I do think, however, that something needs
to be done before it is too late and the wonderful databases that
we have become accustomed to no longer exist.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

MODERATOR NOTE: Contributions to JewishGen are both needed and
appreciated. You can find out how to contribute at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Birth on Ship #general

Josh Brown <gettysburg63@...>
 

Hello:

My g.g.g.uncle, Isadore Perlman, was born while his family was
immigrating >from Poland to Boston, MA. Would he have been a
citizen of Poland or the US, and where would his birth certificate
have been filed? Once I know his birth date, I'll be able to
find out where they came >from in Poland. Any help would be
*greatly* appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Brown


Re: Death on Ellis Island #general

Yendor62@...
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your interest in my quest
for my father's sister. Special thanks to Ida Selavan Schwartz,
Cathy Flamholtz, and Dena Abrams, without whom I could not have
found the following information.

My grandfather was Henoch Abelowitz. I have not yet been able
to ascertain when he came to the US, but I have just verified his
wife's (my grandmother) arrival at Ellis Island with their first
child, Rachel. Rachel died "in hospital" and just today I found
the information about where she is buried.

Feige Leah Abelowitz (listed on the manifest as "Fedge") and her
daughter Rachel (mistakenly listed on the manifest as 36 years old
instead of 3 years 6 months) arrived on the Kroonland >from Antwerp
on April 12, 1906. Rachel died, probably on April 28, as that was
the day that Feige was released >from EI, after consuming 16 days
worth of meals.

Rachel was buried on May 3, 1906 by the Hebrew Free Burial Society
at the Silver Lake Cemetery, which I understand is now part of,
or administered by, the Mt Richmond Cemetery. I have the Section #,
Row # and Grave #. I do not yet know if there is a stone or marker.
I hope to visit the cemetery within the next month or two. I also
plan on getting a death certificate, which should give me more
information.

Feige Leah came >from Kartuz-Bereza, and I believe that my grandfather
Henoch Abelowitz (known in this country as Harry Rabinowitz) came
from either Smolensk or Ekaterinslav, but all my info about him is
at home, and I'm away right now. His address was given on Feige's
manifest as 241 Division St in NYC. The page number of the manifest
is p. 534, and the page which gives the hospital/detention info is
p. 547.

I'm planning to check into my grandfather's death certificate (which
I don't yet have), and his naturalization papers, in hopes of finding
out more about his origins and when he came to this country.

This is truly a wonderful group, and I'm glad to be a part of it.

I will be making a contribution in JewishGen as a thank you for the
help I have received here. Shanah Tovah to all.

Toby RODNEY
apex, nc
yendor62@...
Researching TROIANSKY, ABELOWITZ, RUDNITZKY, ZALMECHOVSKY


Phoning Beth David (Elmont NY) #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

May I trouble someone to make a phone inquiry at Beth David
Cemetery in Elmont NY please?

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen To donate or not-that is the question! #general

Howard Margol
 

During the recent conference in Toronto, several organizations
with large databases on the internet, announced that without
additional donations their future may be a short lived one. Some
individuals took exception to this "request for money". Some felt
that their donation of "time" was sufficient and the request for
cash donations did not apply to them.

Whether we like it or not, the days of a "free lunch" are coming
closer and closer in ceasing to exist. I am afraid that all of us
have become spoiled by the free databases that have been made
available to us.

A number of major genealogy databases were, until recently, free.
Now, you have to pay a fee to access them. I am afraid that it is
only a matter of time before sites like Jewishgen, Litvak SIG, as
well as other databases, will either be "frozen in time", or have
to close down altogether due to a lack of funds. Volunteerism is
great but, if there is no money with which to purchase needed
hardware, software, search engines, records, etc., the volunteers
will have nothing to do or work with. Ancestry.com used to be free.
Now, they charge $100 USD per year to access their database. All
things considered, it is still a small price to pay for what they
offer that is accessible >from the comfort of your home.

At the recent conference in Toronto I was shocked when I learned
that of the many, many thousands who use Jewishgen almost on a daily
basis only a comparative few donate any money to Jewishgen. I find
it difficult to believe that most of these non-donators are living
on such a limited budget that they cannot afford 50 cents per week.
A minimum of 10,000 users (and that is a very conservative number),
donating 50 cents weekly to Jewishgen, would solve a lot of problems.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Jewishgen had to shut down
for an entire month. Perhaps we need to find out what it would be
like to be without Jewishgen. That action may serve as a wake-up
call to all of us.

I have always made it a personal policy to not tell others how to
spend their money. However, I have also been a firm believer in
marketing a good product. No one is forced to donate money even if
what they are being offered is well worth the price. Example: Litvak
SIG has a policy that if you donate $100 USD to a particular Uezyd,
or District, you will receive all of the translated records received
for that District many months prior to it appearing in the ALD. Is
that a bargain? You bet it is.

Contrast that with sending a research request to the Historical
Archive in Vilnius. You have to send a research fee of $100 USD
plus $13 for a translation of each record they find for your
ancestors. If you request a search for several surnames and several
different towns, more money will required to be sent. Sending a
research request to the Kaunas Archive will require similar amounts
to be sent there as well. For a single $100 donation to the Litvak
SIG, you will receive many, many records >from both archives. Rather
than look at it as a $100 expenditure you cannot afford, consider
it as a real bargain you cannot afford to pass up.

I am in no way criticizing the Lithuanian archives for what they
charge. They are forced to do that in order to support the service
they provide. Also, I have no official position with Jewishgen or
with the Litvak SIG so my comments involving those organizations
are strictly my own. Neither are my comments intended as criticizm
of those who would like to donate but, for various reasons, are
simply not in a position to do so. I would hope that those in that
situation would number in the hundreds and not in the thousands as
the facts suggest.

I am sure there are those who would disagree with my position. I
have no problem with that. I do think, however, that something needs
to be done before it is too late and the wonderful databases that
we have become accustomed to no longer exist.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

MODERATOR NOTE: Contributions to JewishGen are both needed and
appreciated. You can find out how to contribute at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Birth on Ship #general

Josh Brown <gettysburg63@...>
 

Hello:

My g.g.g.uncle, Isadore Perlman, was born while his family was
immigrating >from Poland to Boston, MA. Would he have been a
citizen of Poland or the US, and where would his birth certificate
have been filed? Once I know his birth date, I'll be able to
find out where they came >from in Poland. Any help would be
*greatly* appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Brown


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death on Ellis Island #general

Yendor62@...
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your interest in my quest
for my father's sister. Special thanks to Ida Selavan Schwartz,
Cathy Flamholtz, and Dena Abrams, without whom I could not have
found the following information.

My grandfather was Henoch Abelowitz. I have not yet been able
to ascertain when he came to the US, but I have just verified his
wife's (my grandmother) arrival at Ellis Island with their first
child, Rachel. Rachel died "in hospital" and just today I found
the information about where she is buried.

Feige Leah Abelowitz (listed on the manifest as "Fedge") and her
daughter Rachel (mistakenly listed on the manifest as 36 years old
instead of 3 years 6 months) arrived on the Kroonland >from Antwerp
on April 12, 1906. Rachel died, probably on April 28, as that was
the day that Feige was released >from EI, after consuming 16 days
worth of meals.

Rachel was buried on May 3, 1906 by the Hebrew Free Burial Society
at the Silver Lake Cemetery, which I understand is now part of,
or administered by, the Mt Richmond Cemetery. I have the Section #,
Row # and Grave #. I do not yet know if there is a stone or marker.
I hope to visit the cemetery within the next month or two. I also
plan on getting a death certificate, which should give me more
information.

Feige Leah came >from Kartuz-Bereza, and I believe that my grandfather
Henoch Abelowitz (known in this country as Harry Rabinowitz) came
from either Smolensk or Ekaterinslav, but all my info about him is
at home, and I'm away right now. His address was given on Feige's
manifest as 241 Division St in NYC. The page number of the manifest
is p. 534, and the page which gives the hospital/detention info is
p. 547.

I'm planning to check into my grandfather's death certificate (which
I don't yet have), and his naturalization papers, in hopes of finding
out more about his origins and when he came to this country.

This is truly a wonderful group, and I'm glad to be a part of it.

I will be making a contribution in JewishGen as a thank you for the
help I have received here. Shanah Tovah to all.

Toby RODNEY
apex, nc
yendor62@...
Researching TROIANSKY, ABELOWITZ, RUDNITZKY, ZALMECHOVSKY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Phoning Beth David (Elmont NY) #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

May I trouble someone to make a phone inquiry at Beth David
Cemetery in Elmont NY please?

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Motel Azriel Goldman Where are you?? #general

YASO <yasoked@...>
 

Shalom,
I'm trying to research and find information on an elusive grand
uncle of mine, Motel Azriel Goldman who was born around 1861 in
Zawichosciet, Poland < Lublin area >.

Around 1900 he emigrated to the USA and since then the family lost
contact with him.

The parents of Motel were Kalman Goldman < lived + - 1837-1897 >

Sheindel Silverberg < lived +- 1842-1896 >

Motel had a sister, Ita Haya, my grandmother and namesake.

If anyone is a descendant of Motel or has any information that can
throw some light on my research concerning Motel or where he lived
in the States it would be deeply appreciated. If so, please contact
me privately at yasoked@...

TIA

Ita Oked Sechter
yasoked@...

Researching: FELDMAN, FISHLER, LANDMAN, SADOVNICK, SECHTER, Northen
Bessarabia: Klishkovtsy, Faleshty, Khotin, Kolinkovtsy, Malintsy,
Nedoboyevtsy, Shirovtsy
GEDALIES, GEDALIAS, MAHLER, MILLER, PIZEM, Sadgora, Bukovina area.
GOLDBERG, GOLDMAN, TAXIN, SILVERBERG, Zawichosciet, Lublin area
Brisk Poland area.
[list truncated at six lines in accordance with JewishGen policy]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Motel Azriel Goldman Where are you?? #general

YASO <yasoked@...>
 

Shalom,
I'm trying to research and find information on an elusive grand
uncle of mine, Motel Azriel Goldman who was born around 1861 in
Zawichosciet, Poland < Lublin area >.

Around 1900 he emigrated to the USA and since then the family lost
contact with him.

The parents of Motel were Kalman Goldman < lived + - 1837-1897 >

Sheindel Silverberg < lived +- 1842-1896 >

Motel had a sister, Ita Haya, my grandmother and namesake.

If anyone is a descendant of Motel or has any information that can
throw some light on my research concerning Motel or where he lived
in the States it would be deeply appreciated. If so, please contact
me privately at yasoked@...

TIA

Ita Oked Sechter
yasoked@...

Researching: FELDMAN, FISHLER, LANDMAN, SADOVNICK, SECHTER, Northen
Bessarabia: Klishkovtsy, Faleshty, Khotin, Kolinkovtsy, Malintsy,
Nedoboyevtsy, Shirovtsy
GEDALIES, GEDALIAS, MAHLER, MILLER, PIZEM, Sadgora, Bukovina area.
GOLDBERG, GOLDMAN, TAXIN, SILVERBERG, Zawichosciet, Lublin area
Brisk Poland area.
[list truncated at six lines in accordance with JewishGen policy]


Mascholowitz/Pressman #general

Sandra Yoder
 

Would like to hear >from anyone who knows/or knew Isodore Mascholowitz
(varied spellings) >from Russia, who married Kate Pressman and had at
least 1 son, Herman, born around 1920. They lived for awhile in
Brooklyn with her parents, Samuel and Sara Pressman.

Thank you for your "private" replies.

Sandra (Pressman) Yoder
Goshen IN


Dutch family POP #general

Ramon Pop <pop_ramon@...>
 

Dear genealogists,

Does anybody have information about the Dutch-jewish family POP?

Thank you very much,
Ramon Pop,
Tel-Aviv


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mascholowitz/Pressman #general

Sandra Yoder
 

Would like to hear >from anyone who knows/or knew Isodore Mascholowitz
(varied spellings) >from Russia, who married Kate Pressman and had at
least 1 son, Herman, born around 1920. They lived for awhile in
Brooklyn with her parents, Samuel and Sara Pressman.

Thank you for your "private" replies.

Sandra (Pressman) Yoder
Goshen IN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dutch family POP #general

Ramon Pop <pop_ramon@...>
 

Dear genealogists,

Does anybody have information about the Dutch-jewish family POP?

Thank you very much,
Ramon Pop,
Tel-Aviv


JewishGen Sale Extended! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <dshirschhorn@...>
 

In order to assist the many people needing additional time to take
advantage of the JewishGen Mall-wide 10% off sale, we have extended the
sale period to Midnight, Houston time, August 31st.

Now, those of you just returning >from the Toronto Conference have a few
extra days to check out the JewishGen Mall and place your orders at the
extra discount price while giving much needed support to JewishGen.

Please also note our new URL for the improved, more attractive Mall.
It is: http://www.jewishgenmall.org Ordering has been simplified and we
are sure you will find the whole process easier.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Sale Extended! #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <dshirschhorn@...>
 

In order to assist the many people needing additional time to take
advantage of the JewishGen Mall-wide 10% off sale, we have extended the
sale period to Midnight, Houston time, August 31st.

Now, those of you just returning >from the Toronto Conference have a few
extra days to check out the JewishGen Mall and place your orders at the
extra discount price while giving much needed support to JewishGen.

Please also note our new URL for the improved, more attractive Mall.
It is: http://www.jewishgenmall.org Ordering has been simplified and we
are sure you will find the whole process easier.


1828 census project -- help with deciphering handwriting #hungary

d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...>
 

Hi all,

When I was viewing the 1828 census microfilm today, I
repeatedly came across a letter which I couldn't
figure out what it was.

It was the first letter in the name.
Maybe a C, maybe a P, maybe a B, maybe a G.

What it looked most like was a C with inward curling
ends and with a vertical line going through the center
of it.

The flaw I kept having with each of my interpretations
was that I saw other letters on the page (formed
differently) which were clearly the letters I was
guessing this one was.

One more thing, this letter was clearly a consonant
because in at least one instance it was followed by a
double oo.

Maybe the context would be useful.
These are the names I saw this letter in (the * takes
the place of the unidentified letter):
*ick/*uk, *ih, *osch, *oslieb, *ik, *ibler.

Denise

Moderator: Based on your description and a cheat sheet I use to decipher handwriting in old German style, the letter may be an uppercase E. Probably would be a good idea to scan some samples and submit to Viemate or send to Eric Bloch, coordinator for the 1828 Census project.


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1828 census project -- help with deciphering handwriting #hungary

d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...>
 

Hi all,

When I was viewing the 1828 census microfilm today, I
repeatedly came across a letter which I couldn't
figure out what it was.

It was the first letter in the name.
Maybe a C, maybe a P, maybe a B, maybe a G.

What it looked most like was a C with inward curling
ends and with a vertical line going through the center
of it.

The flaw I kept having with each of my interpretations
was that I saw other letters on the page (formed
differently) which were clearly the letters I was
guessing this one was.

One more thing, this letter was clearly a consonant
because in at least one instance it was followed by a
double oo.

Maybe the context would be useful.
These are the names I saw this letter in (the * takes
the place of the unidentified letter):
*ick/*uk, *ih, *osch, *oslieb, *ik, *ibler.

Denise

Moderator: Based on your description and a cheat sheet I use to decipher handwriting in old German style, the letter may be an uppercase E. Probably would be a good idea to scan some samples and submit to Viemate or send to Eric Bloch, coordinator for the 1828 Census project.


SINGER & HAANTMAN #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am trying to follow a thread concerning my mggm, Guta (Gussie)SINGER
HANTMAN and I am lost as to where to begin. This is what I know.

Guta was born in about 1856 to Meir SINGER and Sarah BERGER. Family lore
says that Meir SINGER was a baker in Grodno or therabouts. They had at
least one other child, Jennie, born about 1859. Guta married Vulf Hantman
(Gantman) >from Smilovichi in about 1875-80 and they had 7 children: Mae,
Annie & Sam (twins), Sarah, Israel (aka Jessie, b. (1888), Al, (1889), and
Evno (aka Jacob, George and Jack, b. 1894). My mgf was Jack (Evno) and he
told me that they came to the US (NYC) as a family when he was 2 - about
1896. The settled on the Lower East Side. In about 1910, they moved to
Norwich, CT (near Colchester Road), where they operated a farm and boarded
visitors >from NYC. All of the children married and my gf and his brother Al
changed their last names to HARTMAN. Al and Jesse married sisters, Rose and
Rebecca Cohen.

I would like to try to find the information regarding the date and ship
that they came on. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and his
application is blank in the area regarding this point. I also have his
birth certificate that confirms his date of birth as being in December,
1894. He was born in Sverzhen' (then Mogilev gubernia).

I would also like to try to find out anything that I can regarding the
SINGER family >from Grodno(?), but I am at a dead end. Any suggestions?

By the way, Jennie SINGER married Aaron SCHITMAN and they lived on Madison
Avenue in Hartford, CT. Jennie's granddaugher, Estelle COHEN and my mother
Estelle KATZ, both told stories of what wonderful bread Guta baked, despite
the fact that in her later years she was blind and my ggf would have to
hand her the ingredients. They said that the family said that she had a
gift for baking that ran in the family. Guta died in May, 1936, while
visiting in CT. Six months later my ggf died - the family says that he
died of a broken heart.

Any ideas for how I can pursue this?

Marlene Bishow
Potomac, MD USA
mlbishow@...
HANTMAN/GANTMAN: Smilovichi, Sverhen', Belarus
HANTMAN/HARTMAN: Norwich, CT, NYC
KATZ: Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM: Rozniatow (Galicia), Ukraine, NYC
YARMISH, PETT: I'vya & Wolpa, Belarus
GOLDSTEIN: Newtown,CT, NYC


1901 Census at the FRC in Islington, London #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear UK Genners,
It has been kept quiet, but I thought you might like to know
the 1901 census is up & running at Islington and Kew.
However, there is some bad news I'm afraid...
During my visit I was told by the authorities that it is to be
taken off-line again at the close of business this Friday.
That allows us two days of research...
Happy searching!
Daniel Gleek in London.